He's so proud of his gov't solution to the problem. Instead of working to get the gov't out of the way. I guess that what Romney lovers are looking forward to. Not less gov't that minds it's own business but their brand of gov't. that minds everyone else's business.
Some people say that "states can do anything" because of "states' rights". Little do they realise that they are advocating the elimination of their own individual rights. A dictatorship on any level of government (federal, state or local) is immoral, unjust and a violation of individual rights.
Forget the concrete issues about either healthcare system, don't let yourself get tangled in the weeds.
This issue is very simple:
Obamacare is a violation of individual rights.
Romneycare is a violation of individual rights.
That's the only stance you need to take, because this is the only thing that really matters here.
If Romney wins the nomination the whole general election will be an argument between who flip flopped the most. That's it. No issues.
Check out the new site. It launched on time at midnight.
It is fantabulous! First headline....
THE VETTING BEGINS: The Love Song Of Saul Alinsky
and here is direct link to the first article.
What a lying waste of time.
Maobama wasn't properly vetted and he isn't being properly vetted either... he keeps side-stepping questions about his flip-flopping record and as a result, surges in the polls because the average sheeple just like him because he's pretty or a great debater or they heard some negative ad about his competition... dumb masses. He's guilty of being the architect of maobamacare and the GOP wants HIM to represent them? Shaking my head.
Meanwhile Santorum is only asked questions about social issues and religion because they know that diminishes him and clouds his message. And Newt doesn't get airtime or his due because he's a real threat to Romney and the GOP establishment. Madness...
The media is the enemy.
The "exchange" is simply more government bureacracy, which we know is never as efficient as the private sector.
Again TRS is trying to take Romney out of context. He was proud of the exchange which is a seperate part of the Health Care plan. Romney has always said he didn't like government mandates. He wanted "buy your own insurance or pay your own bill' but the medicaid office dictates that all must be covered.
If you want to see truth about Romney's plan look at history and what he did as he did it, put together in this video documentary: http://url2it.com/lrsa
The gov't has no business mandating anything. State gov'ts have no right forcing you to buy anything and neither does the federal gov't.
You highlight another dangerous ideal Romney believes in: that the State government has the right to implement powers that the Constitution prohibts in Federal Government.
By Romney's reasoning that States can do what ever the he11 they want, even if it is unconstitutional, a state could violate any of our Constitutional rights like removing the right to bear arms.
We have two models on the table: Government Run healthcare vs Government Regulated healthcare. The first is a socialist model and it has a bad reputation with Americans. The second is a coerced fascist model which Americans do not recognize so the statists went with that one (Romenycare, Obamacare).
The individual mandate is the power of coercion that is absolutely essential to both Romneycare and obamacare. Without it the government has no power over us and we are back to a free market insurance model.
Whether he says it or not Romeny knows this and is deceiving the citizens. ON the other hand, the citizen lik eyou foolishly trust their government and willing give it the power to bypass the Constitution and control their lives.
If you do this in ignorance, wise up. If you do this in deception, you are a tool of oppresive government and an enemy to my freedom.
put a fork in Romney he is done...well he should be anyway. Romney supporters are you seeing this..the man has been lying thru his teeth!
I am convinced people want to be lied to. Like babies in a mother's arms, they want to be told things are not so bad and everything will be OK. They want the government to take care of them. They want to believe they are compassionate and generous by granting the Government the power to take from other citizens.
They are natural slaves and they soon will be getting what they want.
put a fork in Romney he is done...well he should be anyway. Romney supporters are you seeing this..the man has been lying thru his teeth!
Everybody is missing the point on the insurance mandate anyway.
IT's all about CASHFLOW. The government cannot function without cash flowing. They can only take so much in taxes, so the health insurance mandate forces Americans to surrender a quantity of cashflow proportional to 1/6th of the economy (conveniently enforced by the IRS!!!!) It doesn't matter whether 'private' companies are collecting the premiums right now. It will soon be collected by the IRS in a new column just below FICA.
And the current system is better? People who have no insurance have been getting healthcare for a long time and you have been paying for it. You just don't get an itemized bill to make it clear. It is collected in higher taxes and higher hospital bills, which make up for what the uninsured don't pay. Without a mandate to require people buy their own health insurance, these hidden taxes will continue. Or we will have to start refusing to treat people who don't have insurance. That will prove Democrats right in saying that Republicans just want poor people to die. So, tell us what your plan is to fix the problem. I haven't heard anyone come up with a good solution.
At the risk of being a hard-ass, can you show me where in the Constitution it says either the states or the federal government should be responsible for our health care?
There have been several stretches in my life when I did not have health insurance. It never occurred to me that my fellow citizens should provide it. What occurred to me was to go back to school and get a job that provided coverage.
Life is not fair. I'm sorry, but it's true. You can make it a lot fairer if you quit whining for someone else to help you, get off your duff and educate yourself for a decent job.
As for those citizens whose health care we are already paying for courtesy of our Emergency Rooms, I doubt the cost of their health care approaches even a small fraction of the cost of Obamacare.
My sister is an ER nurse. She tells me the staff has a term for their most-seen customers. They call them "frequent flyers". They show up in the ER for the darndest reasons...colds, minor headaches, small cuts and bruises and, often, an attempt to obtain prescription drugs. Sis says the ER waiting room is a regular social gathering place for those people. The only thing that keeps them from visiting even more often is the long wait to see a doctor and the fact that the hospital is now dealing with the socializers by isolating them in treatment rooms immediately. Can you image those same people turned loose on our health care system with full coverage?
Read the Constitution. There is absolutely nothing in it to justify what Obama has done.
Show me in the Constitution where it says that government has a right to make me pay for those who choose not to buy health insurance. You know the government has been doing that to us for a long time now, don't you? We pay higher health care bills to make up for those who don't pay their own bills. We also pay billions in higher taxes to pay for those on Medicaid and CHIP.
So tell me which is worse, violating the constitution to force us to pay for the health care of others, or violating the constitution to force everyone to buy their own health insurance so they can be as self-reliant as possible. The only other option is to let the uninsured poor and their children die without treatment. I don't know of any politicians advocating the last option. So which option do you consider to be the least of the three evils? I'd really like to know what your ideal health care policy would be. Everyone likes to criticize, but no one wants to put forward a better plan. If someone has, I haven't seen it.
How ridiculous. My brother had no health insurance. He got the bill, and he paid it, and he's a construction worker.
Down at small claims court here in Tulsa, the collection attorneys for the hospital obtain judgments every day against people who haven't paid medical bills, and they collect the money. Virtually every business has some percentage of receivables that are subject to collection. So what are we supposed to do, have the government pay for all of those too?
This whole thing is driven by the drug companies and medical doctors who prescribe medicine people don't need or could live without. Have you ever helped someone on medicaid and discovered that they take about 20 different pills, have of which merely counter the effect of another? Have you ever had an elderly relative who were given drugs they don't need and equipment they don't need because the home health care or hospice company was being paid by medicare.
Have you seen what medicare pays for the lease of a simple no frills wheel chair? (Over $1,000 in one year.) And when that wheel chair is turned back in, medicare pays for the lease of that same chair to the next elderly person. It is flat out ricdiculous whenever the government takes over anything. Period.
All government programs that pay the way for others should be eliminated, period. You think people couldn't get by 70 years ago without all this social welfare nonsense?
This may be the last election about freedom before it gets ugly.
You do know that 70 years ago people didn't live as long as they do today, right? They also didn't have the medical options we have today. A lot of people have had their lives extended because of recent advances in medicine. But medicine has also become a lot more expensive.
I'm glad your brother was able to pay his bill without health insurance. But if you were to check, you would find out that he probably paid more than the negotiated price paid by insurances. I had a blood test done recently that cost $187. My insurance reduced the bill to $11 based on contracted rates. If I didn't have insurance, I would have had to pay the full $187. I bet your brother paid more than he should have for his care to help subsidize others who don't pay their bills. I also bet he wasn't paying for cancer treatments that cost around $12,000 a treatment.
I was just pointing out that we already have hidden penalties built into our system that affect everyone, and especially those who don't have insurance. These penalties result in higher than necessary medical bills and taxes. Medicaid and CHIP in a typical month provide health care or long-term care to about 60 million low-income children, parents, elderly people, and people with disabilities. (This does not include Medicare for the elderly or emergency care provided for free at hospitals.) Unlike your brother, these people do not pay for the care they receive. We the taxpayers and our children do.
So if your plan is to get rid of "all this social welfare nonsense" and let low-income people and their children die untreated when they get sick, run for office on that platform. Let's see how popular your plan is. I don't know of anyone currently running for president who has openly adopted a plan like that. If you can't figure out why, there is little hope of explaining it to you.
Well said. Health care is just another industry and a great one in America because of free market capitalism.
The Statist always start with a political and media campaign to spread a false premise. They declare rights without ever being forced to defend them against the Constitution.
Here, the false narrative is that health care is a right, and of course the government must act and it cannot be left to private enterprise. The emergency room laws were the fist slices. Once the camel's nose is under the tent, freedom is lost.
Anyone notice the latest "right" to be declared? A woman has a right to "access birth control". The elephants did not destroy the premise, so they now are part of the narrative.
The individual mandate doesn't bring costs down. Romneycare is not working in Massachusetts.
From the Beacon Hill Study regarding the real costs of Romneycare:
"The law requires that individuals with sufficient means purchase health insurance and that businesses with more than ten employees make a “fair and reasonable” contribution toward their employees’ health insurance. Under the law, health insurance companies cannot refuse to cover individuals with preexisting conditions. Individuals and businesses face fines if they fail to comply with the mandates.
Because the fines imposed by the law cost are often less than the cost of insurance, the law is vulnerable to the problem of moral hazard.
Individuals can game the mandate by buying insurance only upon being diagnosed as needing a non‐emergency procedure such as a hip replacement and then canceling their insurance after receiving the treatment or procedure. Businesses can likewise game the mandate by canceling their health insurance plans and shifting their employees to newly subsidized state plans. Massachusetts taxpayers and health insurance policyholders pick up the tab for these “jumpers and dumpers.”
The Beacon Hill Institute (BHI) has estimated the prevalence and cost of gaming the mandates. We find that:
• In tax year 2008 (the latest data available) 26,000 individuals paid a total of $16 million in fines, while 758 businesses paid $7.1 million.
• In 2009, between 2,089 and 2,659 individuals gamed the individual mandate at an estimated cost to insurance carriers of between $29.3 million and $37.3 million.
• Between June 2006 and June 2010 enrollment in state subsidized insurance plans increased by 319,000, while the private group (employer) market was flat and the individual market increased by 83,000.
In essence, the incentives in RomneyCare, just as in ObamaCare, are backwards. They encourage people to behave in ways that maximize costs and inefficiency. This is what economists refer to as an “Adverse Selection Spiral”. Eventually the system collapses under the weight of its own costs and inefficiency."
This guy really is spinning it big time for Flippers.
Romney surrogate Donald Trump, on OH talk radio, refers to "your little election"
New PPP poll in Tennessee has Santorum 34, Romney 29, Gingrich 27 & Paul 8; Santorum's edge in early votes helping
PPP Ohio: Romney 37%, Santorum 36%, Gingrich 15%, Paul 11%.
Yuck: Barbara Bush Robocalls For Romney In Ohio, But Cuts Reference To Obama http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQfPNYlIAyk
Off/Topic: Dr Michael Youssef Endorses Newt Gingrich http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGOzvl4XWK4
Note the comments in the video... such appalling ignorance, such obvious evil. It's stuff like this that, yes in Santorum's words, you see Satan trying to destroy America using his enslaved (and enslavement loving) servants.
Obviously the religion of hate has found Dr. Youssef's endorsement...and are using their one adjective vocabulary to condemn it.
This is mitt advocating UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE! spread this and please like this post so everyone sees it and shares it with others!!
So, why do conservatives still support this man. Obama may be an empty suit...Romney is one in an Armani.
Does anyone really think that this man is still electable. We must stop allowing the establishment constantly call the shots. It is time for a change, now.
As a direct consequence of RomneyCare’s meddling in the private health-insurance market, health-care costs in Massachusetts have risen more sharply than anywhere else in the country. Per capita health-care spending in Massachusetts is 27 percent higher than the national average and the highest in the nation. Overall health-care costs in the state continue to rise at an average rate of 8 percent annually. http://www.redstate.com/rjsantorum/2012/03/04/on-health-care-obamacare-and-romneycare-will-hurt-ohio-families/
Get the Government OUT of the healthcare industry. Just because what Romney did at the State Level does NOT MAKE IT BETTER, It's still a horrible bad plan!! Romneycare is disaster and Obamacare is the sweet meteor of death.
Masachusettss residents are getting squeezed bigtime. The cost pressures on BCBS is huge. Physicians are being squeezed. Residents are seeing increased rates, increased prescription costs, and their doctors are spread thin. Elderly on fixed income are particularly affected because the silent inflation is driving all their living through the roof.
Free birth control for all. Let our elders eat cake.