The Right Scoop- stevenbiot
Condoms and Satan! This is gonna be a barn burner.
- Cindy09
…. and Bayer Aspirin!!
- stevenbiot
Between the knees? Haha!
- kessi7
How much is Romney willing to spend
http://fathersmind.blogspot.com/2012/02/boston-herald-has-piece-on-romney-and.html#!/2012/02/boston-herald-has-piece-on-romney-and.html - Stehekin912
I hope they have some serious debate about the border problems. Well, I can hope, can’t I?
Santorum 2012
- stevenbiot
It’s almost like we’ve forgot about our neighbor problem, huh?
- http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/MVKB24PATKM3BXCRTLD62FUKK4 Richard
All those debates are a waste of time,waste of energy,useless…I checked with my fortune teller and she said:”Obama the impostor will use his last trick to postpone the election because of war”.Hmmm!Is the impostor allow to do that?
- semihardrock
i thought this was canceled because the GOP didnt want to take misleading questions?
Is this the first official “flip-flop?”
- Rshill7
That is the Georgia debate at the beginning of March that was cancelled because Romney said no, and it fell apart from there.
- tvlgds
How do I sign up for this chat thang? I don’t do facebook!
- RosiesSeeingRed
I just went to Chatroll and made a quick account there instead because I didn’t want to use my Facebook account either.
- tvlgds
Thanks. I ‘ll do that! I don’t HAVE a facebook acct, nor do I want one! LOL!
- RosiesSeeingRed
I don’t blame you! I never use mine anyway!!
- Is_Sense_Common
I was glad to see you both there tonight, even if you were dawning your cool blue profiles
- Is_Sense_Common
Or is it “donning” ? Can’t remember.
- Rshill7
I have a feeling Romney’s going to try too hard. Santorum will try and outdo him.
Newt has a great opportunity to rise above. For he, and he alone, is “Wonderboy”.
- drphibes
Newt and Rick are the Wonder Twins. They should jump up, join rings and say, “Wonder Twin powers activate! Shape of a Conservative! Form of a Libertarian!”
(unless you watched 1970s cartoons, you have no idea of the profundity of what I just said.)
No? Okay, Wonder Twin Powers…deactivate.
- Is_Sense_Common
Frighteningly, I actually do remember the Wonder Twins! Loved Justice League & my kiddos do too! I’m so thankful for DVDs. Today’s cartoons/heroes suck.
- drphibes
Yes, we own Challenge of the Super Friends – Attack of the Legion of Doom. No Wonder Twins on this disc, though.
- FreeManWalking
Okay fess up, did you watch in real time while the rest of us had to watch the replay?
- Is_Sense_Common
I thought Newt did great! I was thrilled to see him back as the adult in the room. The only one who didn’t linger in the past but had solid solutions for the massive problems that need to be unraveled!
- RosiesSeeingRed
When asked just now on CNN who made the best case to conservatives, Ari answered “Newt” and then followed up with some very complimentary things.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1497076194 Travis Pierson
Over/under on how long it takes for Pre-abortion Mandatory TVU to make an appearance?
- drphibes
Everyone have their popcorn? Remember, for the courtesy of others, no smoking is permitted in this auditorium.
- http://twitter.com/ozziecastillo Ozzie
At this point I don’t need any more debates- candidates should join together and have their debates at friendlier formats than MSM outlets.
- drphibes
What?! I thought Christine Aguilera was booked for this event.
- drphibes
Quick! While everyone’s distracted, somebody STEAL THE ROMNEY LAWN SIGNS across the street!
- drphibes
- http://shelfreliancedenver.com/team/katy/ katy
Listening to Mitt and his cocky defensiveness is as painful as listening to the liar in chief!!!!!!!!!
- http://shelfreliancedenver.com/team/katy/ katy
Looks like Mittens bused in his paid supporters again. WHAT.A. SCHMUCK!!!
- politicalnewbie
Yep. I think he stacked the house again.
- FreeManWalking
But didn’t those million dollar cheers and claps sound worth every penny.
- Is_Sense_Common
He learned it from Barry… They share these kinds of things; like obamneycare too!
- cabensg
Do you really want to listen to Santorums platitudes for the next four years? He took it on. Please!
- cabensg
Do you really want to listen to Santorums platitudes for the next four years? He took it on. Please!
- drphibes
Rick has the lowest energy level so far. He needs to lean forward. Sit taller and adjust his pitch.
- cabensg
Romney ask for it and Santorum voted for it but it’s Romney’s fault for asking for it.
Give me a break. - keyesforpres
The point is Romney rips Santorum on earmarks and then Romney came and begged for an earmark for himself.
- MaxineCA
This should be interesting. As I recall Mesa is Mormon country as that’s where they have a large temple. Don’t understand why they didn’t hold the debate in Phoenix. Expect lots of applause from the crowd.
- Major914
Yes, its obvious that there is a significant Mormon contingent cheering Mittens…
- Trust1TG
How DISGUSTING, DEVIOUS and DISHONEST of the RNC.
And they cancelled the debate in Atlanta and California…so will there even be another one?
- GraceKnows
We need more debates! I know some people (and candidates) don’t want any more, but if we stop now, things will get very dry. One thing I liked about last night’s debate was the fact that they were all SEATED next to each other, and were still able to have room to set down their notes, etc. Somehow, it made it better. Better than everybody standing the whole time behind little podiums.
MUST HAVE MORE DEBATES!!!
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6KRHXVK5ZCSWJ5GJQ5Z6GIJICA Dax
Wow the audience is stacked for Romney. What a joke. They clap before he even answers.
- M_J_S
LOL…I know what is this North Korea? Where are the weepers?
- MaxineCA
Mesa is a very Mormon community. Guess the RNC figured they’d get more audience participation for their “chosen one” doing the debate there rather than Phoenix.
- drphibes
Newt is the only one directing his energies against Obama. He will win if he keeps it up.
The others are putting me to sleep with their petty setting-records-straight infighting. - politicalnewbie
Newt back on his game.
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HU45BLBCROTOIVK4Q56XO2N5VU MSGT
NEWT – America’s last best hope
- BMinPA
So far Newt is the adult in the room. Spare us the minutia. All this back and forth about what . Give us the big picture.
- drphibes
I’m in LOVE with NEWT all over again. Who else has the STONES to play the “INFANTICIDE” card? I think the press will BURY that one tomorrow.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Valdez/1806887704 Steven Valdez
I’m sick of the cheap applause for Mitt. Just like Ron Paul faking drummed up support
- drphibes
The applause for Mitt is as genuine as plastic vomit and those tuxedo t-shirts you can get at Spencer’s.
- 3seven77
And just about as classy.
- http://twitter.com/ServantCEO Anthony
NEWT IS SO RIGHT!!!! obama’s infanticide is the worst of fanatic dogmas that the press refused to expose! Amazing how in a few short words , NEWT set the record straight and put the problem on obama and his allies in the lamestream media!!!!!
romney just went on and on and on, and I still don’t know what he was trying to say except trying to say something that we already know
- FreeManWalking
RINOmeny and Santorum are both over doing the “me thinks u protest to much” attempting to control the playing time.
- http://twitter.com/ServantCEO Anthony
sad how Santorum is imploding as he tries to go tit for tat with the romney attack machine
! - OldDan
Santorum is imploding because he is being exposed for the hypocrite he truly is.
- Cindy09
Romney is the hypocrite!! He is slamming Santorum for endorsing Specter while he endorsed Paul Tsongas, a Democrat liberal….. How about that for hypocrisy???!!
- OldDan
Okay. Both are hypocrites.
- http://twitter.com/ServantCEO Anthony
the liberal romney trying to talk about “those liberals” is hilarious that lacks ALL credibility because of the messenger!
- keyesforpres
I now understand why Paul has not attacked Romney. Just saw an article that there is talk of Romney asking Paul’s son, Rand to be his VP.
- http://twitter.com/ServantCEO Anthony
Romneycare Required Anti-Catholic Regulations Like Obamacare’s http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Romneycare-Obamacare-Catholic-birth/2012/02/07/id/428686
- http://twitter.com/ServantCEO Anthony
LOVE THE POWERFUL STATEMENT FROM PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE NEWT GINGRICH: “When you have Government as the central provider of services, you move towards Tyranny! “
- politicalnewbie
Yep. That’s what we need to have said. Over and over and over again. I’m also glad he used the word “inevitably” and used that more than once, too.
- politicalnewbie
Yep. That’s what we need to have said. Over and over and over again. I’m also glad he used the word “inevitably” and used that more than once, too.
- politicalnewbie
Yep. That’s what we need to have said. Over and over and over again. I’m also glad he used the word “inevitably” and used that more than once, too.
- keyesforpres
Ron Paul is such a jerk.
- librtifirst
Why? Did he make your favorite guy look bad? Sorry, I have to assume.
- drphibes
Audience definitely stacked. Rick on Romneycare would have been an applause line anywhere else.
- librtifirst
It seems like Romney and Paul got all the applause tonight. Probably just organization, and their people showing up. I know that Paul’s campaign was calling for it.
- drphibes
Audience definitely stacked. Rick on Romneycare would have been an applause line anywhere else.
- drphibes
Audience definitely stacked. Rick on Romneycare would have been an applause line anywhere else.
- cabensg
Proposed title 20, fought against funding for Planned Parenthood, tried to change things, blah, blah, blah.
If Romney and Santorum can just destroy each other this would be perfect.
- cabensg
Proposed title 20, fought against funding for Planned Parenthood, tried to change things, blah, blah, blah.
If Romney and Santorum can just destroy each other this would be perfect.
- cabensg
Proposed title 20, fought against funding for Planned Parenthood, tried to change things, blah, blah, blah.
If Romney and Santorum can just destroy each other this would be perfect.
- http://twitter.com/ServantCEO Anthony
santorum looks bad when he tries to defend signing bills and then trying to justify his votes, but he is right that romney’s obamneycare is THE NIGHTMARE!
ron paul is an idiot trying to hide the abortion reality of “morning after” pill! Traditionally, fertilization — the joining of sperm and egg to form a zygote — is recognized as the beginning of pregnancy. Biologically, fertilization marks the creation of a genetically complete human being that only needs time, nourishment, and a place to grow.2 However, groups like the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists define pregnancy as “when the fertilized egg is implanted.”3 http://www.citizenlink.com/2010/06/14/morning-after-pill-emergency-contraception/
- http://twitter.com/ServantCEO Anthony
santorum looks bad when he tries to defend signing bills and then trying to justify his votes, but he is right that romney’s obamneycare is THE NIGHTMARE!
ron paul is an idiot trying to hide the abortion reality of “morning after” pill! Traditionally, fertilization — the joining of sperm and egg to form a zygote — is recognized as the beginning of pregnancy. Biologically, fertilization marks the creation of a genetically complete human being that only needs time, nourishment, and a place to grow.2 However, groups like the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists define pregnancy as “when the fertilized egg is implanted.”3 http://www.citizenlink.com/2010/06/14/morning-after-pill-emergency-contraception/
- http://twitter.com/ServantCEO Anthony
santorum looks bad when he tries to defend signing bills and then trying to justify his votes, but he is right that romney’s obamneycare is THE NIGHTMARE!
ron paul is an idiot trying to hide the abortion reality of “morning after” pill! Traditionally, fertilization — the joining of sperm and egg to form a zygote — is recognized as the beginning of pregnancy. Biologically, fertilization marks the creation of a genetically complete human being that only needs time, nourishment, and a place to grow.2 However, groups like the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists define pregnancy as “when the fertilized egg is implanted.”3 http://www.citizenlink.com/2010/06/14/morning-after-pill-emergency-contraception/
- http://twitter.com/ServantCEO Anthony
santorum looks bad when he tries to defend signing bills and then trying to justify his votes, but he is right that romney’s obamneycare is THE NIGHTMARE!
ron paul is an idiot trying to hide the abortion reality of “morning after” pill! Traditionally, fertilization — the joining of sperm and egg to form a zygote — is recognized as the beginning of pregnancy. Biologically, fertilization marks the creation of a genetically complete human being that only needs time, nourishment, and a place to grow.2 However, groups like the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists define pregnancy as “when the fertilized egg is implanted.”3 http://www.citizenlink.com/2010/06/14/morning-after-pill-emergency-contraception/
- keyesforpres
Romney is so pathetic throwing the “Santorum supported me in 2008″.
It sounds like the Romney supporters were told to boo Santorum - keyesforpres
Romney is so pathetic throwing the “Santorum supported me in 2008″.
It sounds like the Romney supporters were told to boo Santorum - keyesforpres
Romney is so pathetic throwing the “Santorum supported me in 2008″.
It sounds like the Romney supporters were told to boo Santorum - http://twitter.com/ServantCEO Anthony
santorum just called out for his AWFUL SUPPORT FOR ARLEN SPECTER THAT COST OUR NATION OBAMACARE and romney is rightly called to account for his support of obamacare that he created! Santorum is obviously NOT the “consistent conservative” so many try to talk about!
- keyesforpres
Santorum explained it pretty well. The bigger picture is what we need to look at here. Romney will not overturn Obamacare. I don’t care what he says. He told our state that he would give us a waiver to Obamacare!
- librtifirst
I think that Newt and Paul had the right message about changing how government works, because Santorum’s status quo is not good enough to deal with our problems. Newt wants “other” government programs, where Paul wants the feds out of it all. Santorum just wants to keep it all going, and do better. I, personally, do not believe that Newt will change anything. I agree that Romney won’t change repeal Obama Care, because he won’t get the chance. He won’t have enough support in the house and senate. As Paul has said, it probably won’t happen. If the liberty revolution grows enough, and the people in it continue to support candidates like Paul, then we might see a slight reversal in the direction of things in the next few years. If we have a few years. We are too far along to be screwing around any longer.
- Cindy09
Romney endorsed Paul Tsongas, a democrat lib!!! Newt called him on his hypocrisy in an earlier debate!!
- keyesforpres
Treu, but Newt endorsed that Scazzavo (sp?) “Republican” when he should have endorsed the conservative. He cost us that election. She went on to endorse the democrat! It was close with the dem and the conservative and had Newt done the right thing, the conservative would have won. It was in upstate NY.
- Cindy09
True! There’s lots of bad decisions on the part of the candidates and I think it is a lost argument for any of them to go in that direction while in fact we must keep our eyes focused on Obama’s policies.
By the way, I love your name. I have the greatest respect for Alan Keyes whom I admire a lot
- drphibes
Rick is RIGHT ON about the Spector issue. Getting John Roberts on the bench FOR LIFE was a far weightier need than getting Toomey a TERM.
- http://profiles.google.com/ajtelles Art Telles
Dittos…
RIGHT ON!!! Rick Santorum.
Arlen Specter honored his pledge… for his own political reasons…
… and Santorum WON the issue about SCOTUS.
Yes… Santorum WON the issue.
Art
- 3seven77
You really need to read this:
“Santorum supporters have come up with a variety of excuses for the Specter endorsement, the most recent being that Santorum made the endorsement to save Republican control of the Senate, ultimately thereby ensuring that John Roberts and Samuel Alito successfully were confirmed by the Senate. … First, note that Republicans gained seats in 2004. Reelecting Specter made no difference to control of the Senate. Even if there were no other changes and the seat were lost to Democrats, there would have been a 50-50 split in the Senate with deciding votes cast by Vice President. So helping Specter achieved nothing.
How disastrous was Specter prevailing over Toomey in 2004? In April 2009, Specter switched parties giving the Democrats a 60th vote in the Senate when Al Franken was declared the winner in Minnesota and sworn in after court challenges in July 2009.
Specter put that vote to good use casting the 60th vote for cloture on Obamacare in late December 2009. Having enabled Obamacare to proceed to a full vote, Specter cast the 50th vote for Obamacare (guaranteeing passage because Biden could cast a tie breaker).”
Educate yourselves. The full articles these quotes are taken from can be found here:
http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/02/stop-making-excuses-for-santorums-endorsement-of-arlen-specter/
- http://profiles.google.com/ajtelles Art Telles
The issue…
The issue was control of Chairman of the committee… in addition to control of the Senate.
For his own political reasons… Specter honored his pledge to Santorum.
Santorum WON the SCOTUS issue.
Art
- keyesforpres
Yes, but we did not know Obamacare was coming down the pike. Look, Toomey was closing in, but it was Bush endorsing Specter that got him back in. Not Santorum.
- drphibes
Thank you. I’m willing to be wrong if there’s good information here. Appreciated.
- http://twitter.com/ServantCEO Anthony
Pat Toomey would have voted for the conservative constitutional Supreme court nominee AND stopped obamacare! Santorum should apologize for his awful backstabbing support of arlen specter, but romney is just as liberal liar as arlen specter!
- keyesforpres
The GOP establishment want him. Santorum didn’t cause Toomey to lose. Bush did.
- http://profiles.google.com/ajtelles Art Telles
Yes, but…
Toomey would NOT have been the Chairman.
Art
- keyesforpres
EXCELLENT POINT!
- librtifirst
Wasn’t Toomey too much of an anti-establishment guy for these guys to support. Spector was in the game, baby.
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_K4256377VMQCZ6WGPFLM34TG3U kinikia
It seems that Gingrich is benefiting, so far in the debate, from Santorum and Romney beating up on each other. Romney appears to be coming out stronger than Santorum. Santorum seems to be getting angry and the crowd has been booing him a lot (there must be a lot of Romney backers in the audience). It also seems that Paul and Romney are double teaming Santorum to try to take him down. A lot of fireworks so far.
- keyesforpres
If you notice, Paul has never gone after Romney. Just read that Romney might pick Rand Paul to be his VP, if he gets the nomination. Ironic, since Ron Paul I have met Paul supporters that said they could vote for Santorum, but would vote third party or stay home if Romney is the nominee!
- M_J_S
Any nomination of Romney is a losing horse, no matter who the VP is.
Conservative as the nominee or NO VOTE.
- drphibes
Romney’s not my guy, but I disagree. I think we WILL unite around the winner (even if he’s kind of a schmuck).
- M_J_S
It’s not happening. If 5% of Conservatives stay home we lose ALONG WITH Romney’s record.
Romney is a losing horse.
- drphibes
He’s a horse? I always regarded him as a jack ass.
- M_J_S
Fair enough, you may vote for the jackass, but I never will.
- drphibes
Hee Haw!
- http://profiles.google.com/ajtelles Art Telles
Dittos…
Hee Haw… to NOT vote for the jackass IS to vote for Obama.
Art
- librtifirst
That’s just a good case for nominating Paul. The other two are just in it for an appointment, or VP. If Paul has !5-20% of the republican vote, at least five percent will vote third party whoever. Paul will likely go into the convention with 30-40% of the delegates. Its a real pickle, to be sure.
- librtifirst
I wouldn’t vote for Romney just because Rand was in there. If Rand accepted, I would have to consider what that says about him. He should know that he would likely just get used to get the Paul votes, then be ignored for four years. The only advantage would be the rare deciding vote, and he already has a vote. I suppose that he could consider it a preamble to a run in 2016, but would he want to do it by being a part of a liberal republican ticket, and a subsequent disastrous administration?
It wouldn’t be good for Rand in the long run, and I would start questioning him for doing it.
- drphibes
Haircut Score:
Gingrich: 79%
Paul: 62%
Santorum: 54%
Romney: 189% - Trust1TG
Newt is so good. Substantive. He stands head and shoulders above the others.
- drphibes
I love Rick, but he’s on defense and doesn’t look or sound in charge tonight. Newt, Mitt, and Paul are doing better.
- keyesforpres
Paul and Romney are in cahoots….
- librtifirst
If you know Paul’s strategy, and personality, you don’t come to that conclusion. People put out videos of all the “supposed” good things that Paul says about Romney, and then say this. The reality is that Paul sees Newt and Santorum as worse, politically, than Romney, so he attacks them more. Paul does not offer anything good to say about Romney. It is always in response to a specific question about Romney, and is designed to get a certain response. The press knows that Paul is not as naturally critical about Romney. This doesn’t add up to being in cahoots.
I suppose that someone could find all the bad things that Paul has said about Romney, including his ads, and say that Paul is in cahoots with the other two. Doesn’t make it true.
- keyesforpres
Everyone’s grades on illegal immigration.
- BMinPA
Santorum got badly caught in the paradox of opposing something then funding it. If you fund Planned Parenthood then you have lost all credibility for being pro life.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000679899592 John Bohler
who ever voted down those bills? better to put some good in it to balance it out than to do nothing
- http://profiles.google.com/ajtelles Art Telles
Remember…
The context is the total bill… not simply 1 item.
Santorum knows context and as POTUS Santorum would “context” the progressives towards individualist freedom and away from collectivist tyranny.
Art
- librtifirst
That is tin foil hat talk.
If Santorum had voted according to his rhetoric, he would have been called a non-effective congressman, or senator, just as Ron Paul is called this. You can’t have integrity and be a player in D.C. Getting things done in this government, means just that: You will get lots of bad things done. If everyone was like Paul, then congress might meet every two years for about two months, like it was in the old days. There wouldn’t be much to do, so long as the border was secure, and the courts were funded. They wouldn’t have to bring the head of the central bank in for questioning, because it wouldn’t exist. No more hearings about what corporations, that got bail outs, did with the money. Working for CSPAN would be a part time job. Sounds good to me.
- cabensg
They’ll need to thirty foot ladders…ha ha ha ha ha
- cabensg
Going back aways. Newt doesn’t realize people aren’t aware of the rip off of the bond holders in the Auto takeover.
- cabensg
Going back aways. Newt doesn’t realize people aren’t aware of the rip off of the bond holders in the Auto takeover.
- Manse Jolley
The panel should ask King why cnn is so far up obamas arse.
- Manse Jolley
The panel should ask King why cnn is so far up obamas arse.
- keyesforpres
Yeah, they should ask CNN how Obama’s tonsils are looking, since they’re noses are so far up it they can see ‘em!
- Trust1TG
(this was a response to Dr. Phibes)
Romney gets $300. haircuts.
- drphibes
Santorum uses a Flowbee in his bathroom.
- drphibes
I checked Dick Morris’s live tweets. He has A LOT to say about posture tonight:
- Mitt sits up straight.
- Newt slouches.
- Santorum leans back.Bad images (Rick and Newt), according to Dick.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Valdez/1806887704 Steven Valdez
anything about ron paul’s creepy hand waving in the air?
- drphibes
Paul just looks like an old crank.
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_IDAKYMXLZIRLMLGEZJXV3AOO7E Vorlath
Iran has no weapons. Until they do. Ron Paul lives in a bigger bubble than liberals.
- Nukeman60
Let us know if Morris tweets anything other than ‘Mitt is the best’, ‘Paul is nice’, or ‘Rick and Newt are dead’. I suspect not.
- drphibes
Morris grades it like a fashion show, through the Nixon-Kennedy telegenics lens.
- FreeManWalking
Maybe that dog of his wags his tail more when one of the candidates speak.
- FreeManWalking
I want me some POTUS that sits up straight when he lies.
- 3seven77
Speaking of bad images, has Dick Morris ever looked in a mirror?
- keyesforpres
I personally think Mitt looks psycho with the way he stares and gives that smirk. Creepy.
- drphibes
I think it is very dangerous to expect women to be pouring coffee for our soldiers while they are fighting.
- Major914
Yeah, its dangerous to drink coffee while you’re fighting. Women as nurses, and other support roles,.. great.
- badnewzbearz
Romney flat out lied a couple of times tonight. First of all, in his new tax plan he rolled out today, he DID leave the “top 1 percent” out of the cut because, said Romney, he did not want to raise the deficit. Rush skewered him today for (1) using the language of the Occupy people about the top 1 percent; and (2) failing to realize that tax cuts across the board actually increase revenue to the government. In the debate tonight, Romney acted as if he had never heard of his proposal to not give the top 1 percent a cut.
He also lied about the Romneycare mandate he put into effect that dealt with and forced religious institutions to provide certain contraceptives. A few weeks ago, Mark Levin played a clip of Romney talking about it.
- FreeManWalking
bearz, I just have to ask, did you expect him to be truthful?
Now was that difficult, here have another piece of bamboo…
- badnewzbearz
Nah, I don’t expect him to be truthful. Just wanted to point out those two specific occasions where he was telling obvious lies.
- keyesforpres
Notice that Paul has yet to go after Romney? The most liberal of our candidates?
- drphibes
Romney gets points for going after O on his Iran record. Looks presidential. Sounds commander-in-cheefy.
- M_J_S
He sounded cheezy
- M_J_S
He sounded cheezy
- cabensg
I wish Romney knew how to be concise…please, please, please.
- http://twitter.com/ServantCEO Anthony
romney sounds like he is trying to recall and say soundbites that is right with the political polls! NEWT GINGRICH and Santorum are the strongest and most passionate on stopping islamic danger although NEWT has the strongest strategic response to islam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHUHDcbVV6A
- drphibes
If GOP wants accusations of do-nothing party to stop, they should introduce more legislation promoting INFANTICIDE. (I was inspired to use the word again.)
- 3seven77
Promoting infanticide??
- drphibes
Yes. I’m facetiously suggesting that the Republicans push legislation that would be like catnip to liberals as a means of “working together” and “getting things done”. Since liberalism is a death culture, they should be gleefully eager to vote for infanticide. This is also a reference to O’s vociferous support for infanticide in the Illinois Senate. http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/225404/why-obama-really-voted-infanticide/andrew-c-mccarthy
- 3seven77
Thanks for clearing that up. I wondered if you were serious or not.
Obama’s votes (3X!) against the BAIPA were the reason I knew he was dangerous. If a leader can’t even protect the most innocent among us, who will he protect? I think we have the answer…
- FreeManWalking
RINOmeny “John OH my reply will take much more than 30 Seconds”. this was in response to a Santorum statement, but…
RINOmeny in 30 minutes can’t explain his policy as concise as Gingrich does in 30 seconds on any subject.
- keyesforpres
Ron Paul, you are such a moron. So clueless about Islamic doctrine. To compare Iran to Russia is beyond belief.
- drphibes
Keyes for Pres. I love Keyes, especially here:
- Major914
I’ve always loved Alan Keyes.
My favorite is when he told a group of school children that their inalienable rights come from God, not their mothers–a reference to the right to life as endowed by the Creator vs. the imagined right to abortion bestowed by government.
- keyesforpres
Yeah, I’d seen that one before. He tells it like it is and he was one of the first people to have the courage to say Obama isn’t eligible to hold the office and that everything he’s done, including his Supreme Court appointments are null and void.
- http://twitter.com/ServantCEO Anthony
ron is WRONG on Iran! He has no clue on how islam works! He still thinks “islam is a religion of peace” and has fallen sleep even regarding 9/11 evidence before all of us! Those of us raised in islam know what islamic republic stands for!
However, on Syria, unfortunately Santorum, Newt and romney are ALL WRONG! I talk to Christians in Syria and from Syria who keep wondering why are we providing aid for the muslim faithful terrorists who would torture and murder millions of Christians if they take out Asad!
- Trust1TG
Write your congressmen/women and those on the pertinent committees. Write the GOP candidates at their websites.
It’s horrible what has happened to Christians while we have been in Afganistan and Iraq. I am not sure who Obama’s drones have been targeting in Pakistan – good guys or bad. I do not trust that man.
- badnewzbearz
Based on the crowd reactions tonight, I think Romney and Paul both bused supporters in.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Valdez/1806887704 Steven Valdez
their supporters are disrespectful and they clap for no reason.
- FreeManWalking
it really shows when the start CHEERING when willard finely gets for out, I’m fa fa fa fa for.
- keyesforpres
Agreed. I think they are in cahoots. I am afraid Paul might turn his delegates over to Romney.
Paul hasn’t attacked Romney, but as soon as a candidate rose to the top, it was Paul who was the first to attack.
- cabensg
I really love my mute button.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Valdez/1806887704 Steven Valdez
Mitt: Iiiii a-a-agre–e-e-e with these guys.. stutt-tt–t–t-ee–rrr
- M_J_S
lol…Mitt: “If I were President I will/would:
unleash the economy
pass that bill
shrink that government
stop the war
start the war
win the battle
make it happen
get ‘R done………………etc, etc, etc, etc, etc”Suuuure.
- FreeManWalking
That would have been a good answer if he could say all of it in less than an hour.
- BMinPA
All were great on Iran. Romney showed the best understanding: don’t let Assad wiggle out of the jam his in.
- drphibes
Dept of Education is huge. They should transfer 95% of employees to Border Fence program.
- ApplePie101
On the other side of the fence.
- FreeManWalking
Phibes, I ask you to rethink that position.
They would just pass them through the borders, like they do the grades.
- 3seven77
I just have to say this: I’m loving me some Newt tonight!
GO NEWT GO!!
- FreeManWalking
As I have said before, and tonight is living proof, If I was Santorum or RINOmeny I would just shudder being on the same stage as Newt.
Newt explains his platform in such concise language. Newt colors with RED, YELLOW, and BLUE while Santorum and RINOmeny use peach, baby blue, and mauve crayons. I can’t believe I used mauve…
- keyesforpres
Unfortunately, Newt is bad on illegal immigration.
- FreeManWalking
Fortunately Newt is the only one that has a Reasonable, Feasible solution that could be implemented.
- keyesforpres
Mass amnesty? Our country will be gone if that happens again. He needs to drop this talk of giving folks legal status that have been here 25 years or more. Besides, those folks got amnestied in under Reagan. Just the talk of amnesty makes more ppl run for our border.
- FreeManWalking
Okay, give me a plan that works better instead of knocking it.
- keyesforpres
First of all, we can’t ever give another mass amnesty. Our country will be gone if we do that because they could then legally send for family members. Plus, it sends out a bad signal to the world that our laws don’t matter. That we will reward you for law breaking and more will come. You reward a crime, you get more of it, not less.
The first thing the president should do on the day he is sworn in is tell illegals they have 30 days to get their affairs in order and get out. After that we start arresting and deporting and you get photographed and fingerprinted and go into a data base and will never be allowed back in.
Put an ICE agent at the welfare depts. Arrest and illegals that come in for welfare. Deport their kids as well. They are not US citizens. We have been letting them get away with it, but they aren’t citizens. See: CONGRESSIONAL GLOBE of 1866. The proceedings of the 14th amendment were recorded and Jacob Howard was recorded as saying “Subject to the jurisdiction” would not include children born to foreigners, aliens, etc.
Just cracking down and deporting some will get most to self deport.
It worked when Eisenhower did it.
- ApplePie101
Gotta love Newt. He brings a bazooka to the gun fight.
- keyesforpres
Romney with the same platitudes.
- VeryRefreshing
Kudos to Romney for acknowledging our right to not vote for him.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Valdez/1806887704 Steven Valdez
Rick Santorum won this debate to me. He won it with that last answer.
- tvlgds
Definitely need a moderator to boot the spammer in chat! OMG!
- http://twitter.com/Professor_Why Professor Why
santorumprez2012 & LiberalScum were spamming like crazy at the end… here’s to hoping they get hit with the ban-hammer if they ever show up again…
- http://twitter.com/Professor_Why Professor Why
santorumprez2012 & LiberalScum were spamming like crazy at the end… here’s to hoping they get hit with the ban-hammer if they ever show up again…
- Pyrran
Someone is going to have to monitor the chat to keep the spammers from ruining the whole thing.
- RosiesSeeingRed
They just got kicked out.
- politicalnewbie
I still like Newt.
- http://twitter.com/ServantCEO Anthony
NEWT OBVIOUSLY HAD THE MOST POWERFUL SOLUTIONS FOCUSED DEBATE! romney & mitt look like fighting children on the stage, although admittedly romney is guilty of playing dirty politics and Santorum’s final statement is right that romney will NOT have the same money advantage against obama. The one who lost to Mccain in 2008, cannot win against obama when Mccain obviously lost to obama! NEWT GINGRICH is THE ONE I WANT TO TAKE ON OBAMA cause NEWT would win the hearts and minds of the voters in any debate against socialist barak obama!
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From previous comment above, were you raised in Islam?
- Nukeman60
The biggest thing I hate about most of the debates is they are run by liberals, with liberal moderators, and liberal questions, all finished up with liberal analysts. I just want to hear an honest conservative analysis for a change. Now the interviewers at the end are fishing for gotcha answers.
- Trust1TG
Correction – *lying* liberals. ;8->
- Nukeman60
Ahhh, I stand corrected
- ApplePie101
They should subtitle the debates, ‘Why should liberals vote for you?’ If the debates were geared toward the republican electorate, the questions would be about government spending, size, government intrusion in daily life and business, the poor economy, unemployment, and national defense in the face of international danger. But, no, we get questions about contraceptives.
- FreeManWalking
IMO: Newt won hands down.
Romney and Paul were successful in attacking Santorum.
Santorum had some good comebacks but over all was weak in his response.
Nothing changed my positions, Newt, Santorum, Rino, Paul.
- keyesforpres
Paul is definitely in cahoots with Romney. This is very disturbing…
- FreeManWalking
Levin did a good job covering this on the 23rd.
http://www.marklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930# - 3seven77
The debate in a nutshell:
Romney: Blah, blah, blah. Gratuitous platitude. Blah, blah, blah. Olympics. Blah, blah, blah. Private sector. Blah, blah, blah. Gratuitous platitude. Blah, blah, blah.
Santorum: I can win. Look at me! Ooops, no child left behind was a mistake, sorry. Look at me! I thought supporting Spector was the right thing to do but it turned out bad, oops, sorry again. Look at me. I can win! Look at me!
Paul: Blah, blah, blah. The Constitution! Blah, blah, blah. We’re going broke! Blah, blah, blah. No wars!! I can win! Blah, blah, blah.
Newt: This is what the problem is, this is what we need to do and this is why we need to do it. It’s going to be hard work but we can succeed. Let’s get started.
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The right thing…
Santorum supporting Specter was the right thing to do… for the Right SCOTUS reason.
Santorum WON the SCOTUS issue… ’cause Toomey would NOT have been Chairman and Specter honored his agreement… for his own political reasons.
Santorum WON the SCOTUS issue.
Art
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Valdez/1806887704 Steven Valdez
I agree, you can’t blame Santorum 6 years later because Obama used your blue-print.
All these candidates have made mistakes that are toxic to the tea party.
Romney = Romneycare
Santorum = no child left behind
Gingrich = Individual Mandates/Freddy Mac
Paul = America’s fault first - Trust1TG
Romney made a lot more on Freddie/Fannie than Newt ever did. Newt advise the legislators to stop and fix the problems but they did not listen to him.
ROMNEY’S ADVISORS LOBBY FOR FREDDY/FANNIE – http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/25/top-romney-advisers-lobbied-for-freddie/
FANNY/FREDDY INVESTMENTS – http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2012/01/23/romney_defends_investments_readies_tax_returns/ - http://profiles.google.com/ajtelles Art Telles
Dittos – Mistakes…
Romney is STILL for RomneyCare… sorta kinda.
Gingrich is STILL for Individual Mandates… sorta kinda.
Paul is STILL for America’s fault first… terrorists hate USA ’cause USA dissed em.Santorum… an honest conscience honorably expressed… George Washington would probably call him FRIEND.
Art
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Perfect!
Go Newt.
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Your analysis is spot on! Newt/West
- Trust1TG
Newt/Perry (to give him a successful* governor with experience in a big state to balance the ticket)
*Romney was not a successful governor.
Was not re-elected after the first term.
Romney did not scrape through his governorship without millions of US taxpayer dollars for his state.
Even Romney care was subsidized by you and me the US taxpayer!!!
We bailed out the SLC Olympics for Romney.
We bailed out Bain for Romney.Romney has gotten rich on us – the US taxpayer. We have kept him in luxury and covered his A$$.
- keyesforpres
Perry has posted on his governors website a speech he gave in 2001 where he states he is for open borders!
Also his white washed curriculum of Islam he allowed to be taught in Texas schools. It’s posted on http://www.atlasshrugs.com on Aug. 30, 2011. Very disturbing. - Trust1TG
Who would you like for Newt’s running mate?
Santorum?
- Boxofteabags
John Kasich, but your not asking me
- c4pfan
Walker or Kasich are good, but VPs aren’t going to mean enough to me.
- keyesforpres
I hope that Santorum wins the nomination. Newt is bad with the amnesty thing as is Perry. We ever do another mass amnesty and our country will be gone.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Valdez/1806887704 Steven Valdez
Hey Scoop are you going to put up a Presidential Poll? we haven’t had one in a while
- Nukeman60
Here’s a surprise. The liberal analysts are saying Romney won the debate, hands down. Now I have to clean the coffee off my Television screen. I hate the LSM.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Valdez/1806887704 Steven Valdez
whatever the pundits say, voters do the opposite
- Nukeman60
Sound policy. Much like Santorum said. Whatever Biden says, do the opposite. You can’t go wrong.
- freenca
Other than the moderator , once again, being in the bag for BO, and given the questioning that the candidates were asked, (all dem talking points), they all did well!
Newt and Mitt saw thru the questions and answered well. Rick got it too, is just not as polished. Ron, is still Ron, good on domestic and monetary issues, but would not take any steps until U.S. citizens are attacked in thier homeland, good and bad in parts,just too weak, IMHO. - Iloveliberty71
Your evaluation of Ron Paul’s position on national defense is not accurate. He has made it quite clear that if there is a clear threat to our country’s security, and Congress declares war in accordance with the Constitution, he would take any actions necessary to ensure our success in defending this nation.
- freenca
Adherence to our Constitution and Bill of Rights is a top priority in my eyes, that we should return to pronto. And I do believe that Paul would spare nothing in our self-defense if needed. If he becomes our candidate I will proudly vote for him come November as I will for any other R on the ballot. No matter how badly the media beats up on them, any of our guys will be better than the present POTUS and company. The rankle comes in when lack of preparedness comes into play. I for one would not want to be blindsided again, as happened before, a couple of times in our history, both times after reducing the fighting forces by large measure.
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Anyone make the conference call with Perry?
- Trust1TG
Perry was in the spin room after the debate as Newt’s surrogate. He did a good job.
- RosiesSeeingRed
I did. I was expecting some questions from “the people” but there were none. They all had their little speeches, asked for money, etc., which is what I expected, but then I thought there were going to be questions because in the beginning they said you could star-3 to ask a question. So either no one had a question, or that just wasn’t true.
- c4pfan
I guess people forgot Newt in the debates after his win in SC. All he talked about was Bain Capital.
He’s behind and has no stress on him.
- Been_There_BT
You should be thanking Newt for saving Santorum on the birth control question. You don’t get it, do you? Newt and Santorum win this thing together.
- librtifirst
Ouch! Santorum got creamed, and booed big time. His numbers are going down after this. Newt played it smart and stayed out of much of it. Romney got way too much applause, and Paul made the same points he always did, and didn’t get hurt.
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- JimmyBleep
Thanks as always for posting the full debate Scoop!
- sara holy land
If I had to choose, and who I trusted, surely I would choose SANTORIUM.
- http://twitter.com/shelly99032 Shelly Sands
Why oh why do my candidates always screw up after I start sending them money? I’m getting so depressed (sigh), I sure as heck don’t want to have to vote for flopney.
- sara holy land
This is exactly what happens in our place.
- mder4thegov
Well, I saw Ron Paul officially “sell out”, with his despicable lovefest with Romney. (He literally sat on his hands–instead of challenging the guy who laid the foundation for Obamacare.)
I wonder how much it cost Rove and the other corrupt, establishment RINO’s–to get ole Ronnie to ditch his “principles”, and join the unelectable Mitt?
All you Paul supporters should be real proud. - cherylmcr
I am tired of the Bain Capital comments. I happen to think that vulture capitalism is evil. It makes money for the guys at the top and victimizes the rest. I, as a middle class American, am tired of both sides — the lazy, non-working, you pay for me crowd, I don’t pay taxes but I get handouts from those who do — and the rich, I’ll take whatever I can crowd, pay my 15 percent or nothing at all with all of my write-offs — while I pay 28 percent or higher or more plus taxes on everything imaginable and I mean everything. And, yes, I do make good money now; but, believe me, I’ve been poor. And I didn’t take money from anybody to get here and paid taxes when I was making $2.00 an hour. I made it without charity or government handouts and so can everybody else. That’s the America I grew up in. No matter where you come from, WORK HARD, and you can GO FAR. Thank you, O, for taking that away.
Newt wins on the issues, has the ideas, has even done what he says. The man has been married three times — so what? He said he was wrong, prayed, asked for forgiveness. If you’re perfect, you let me know. I’m not, and I don’t think you’re Jesus.
I will vote for Santorum if I have to, but I don’t like his preaching (and I am about as socially conservative as you can get). I don’t like the holier than thou crowd that tries to force morialism down others throats. It doesn’t work. Who would want to be a Christian if the ones you meet are as mean as the devil. Did you hear any of Whitney’s funeral speakers? LOVE wins — not death, not legalism, not holier than thou. I want LESS government, not MORE, and not at the other end of the spectrum. And, if I feel that way, imagine how independents feel that will be hearing and reading everything that’s out there on Santorum. And don’t tell me the media is taking things out of context. Yeah, Satan is mixed up in our lives, that’s for sure. But I’ve read what he’s said and continues to say. I am Protestant by the way. He can’t say I was just going along to get along. Had enough of that. Oh, and that whole thing about living in DC and taking money from PA ain’t gonna fly either and social conservatism ain’t gonna win in the fall and neither will a D minus on his econonic plan. So if he wins, then I guess my vote won’t count.
And, yes, I AM MAD.
- mjs_pa
two great opinion pieces at the American Spectator regarding the debate
Romney Attacks Santorum for Supporting Roberts and Alito
http://spectator.org/blog/2012/02/23/romney-attacks-santorum-for-suRomney “Lied” About Forcing Catholic Hospitals to Provide Abortifacients
http://spectator.org/blog/2012/02/23/romney-lied-about-forcing-cath - http://www.facebook.com/david.masiwchuk David Scott Masiwchuk
how embarrassed do you think Texas is having to claim Paul as one of theirs? LOL
- cherylmcr
Wait — I mean CHEERFUL.
- http://www.facebook.com/david.masiwchuk David Scott Masiwchuk
How do people not see Santorum as a whiny wimp?
- sara holy land
http://spectator.org/blog/2012/02/23/romney-lied-about-forcing-cath
was impressed differently from you.
I have no interest.
Senator replied that interested, and interested in a dignified manner.And above all I was impressed by his integrity and credibility.
- Trust1TG
Romney jumped Santorum on the Arlen Specter endorsement again.
But what about the DISASTROUS EFFECTS OF ROMNEY’S ENDORSEMENT OF SCOTT BROWN??? This had a greater destructive effect on our nationl
(that was brought to our attention by a commenter at Legal Insurrection this morning)
holmes tuttle:
“So if it’s ok to go after Santorum for endorsing Specter, is it ok to go after Romney for endorsing Scott Brown?
Romney was his chief supporter and was actually on stage for Brown’s victory speech where Brown gave him credit for his win.
in the summer of 2010 Brown the 60th vote to break the filibuster of Dodd-Frank. He was the decisive vote.
So, Romney is responsible for Dodd-Frank. Thanks.
Brown also voted to break filibusters on DADT and the START treaty. Again, by his own logic, Romney is responsible for both of those as well.
Hopefully one of the GOP candidates if not some in the conservative media start tying Brown to Romney and holding him responsible for some of Brown’s votes and the policies they’ve resulted in.”
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Richard-Jones/100001374595021 Richard Jones
Who are the bigger crack pots?
Ron or his supporters?
As Paul fades they are getting more mlilitant.
Ron finishes a DISTANT 4th, and his supporters think they can FORCE all the web sites to and polls (online polls have pushed supporters out because you are SO unreasonable) declare him the winner because they are the most unethical activists.
JUST get a life and grow up, and count your delegates (to buy influence) to come RON has promised you for all those $million$ you should have spent on GAS, milk and bread.
Can we report them ALL to Homeland security to protect the REAL republican candidates, the one RS list in thier polls?
For a few months now they have had to drop out Ron voters because they Are truly NUTTY, IGNORANT, and are getting very dangerous. AND IT IS FUNNY !
They don’t even seem to notice Ron Paul has sold them out for a speech or whatever.
His actions are quite unethical and dangerous for a man who says he follows the constitution.
He is not a liberertarian, he is a KOOKertarian.
I think he is a closet racist based on his own words and works, and can never clean up his act nor get elected ANYTHING in the republican party. I don’t count his current seat, he is not thought of well in TEXAS, I am from there.
He could run third party and become bigger JOKE, and take out a (THE) non-Romney winner (that must be the deal too), but if Romney wins, Ron Paul gets some “goodies” I assutre you.
Speech (big deal)
Position (IS a BIG deal and I think illegal)
Certain actions like take apart the FED (I can go for)
Maybe payback legal campaign funds
AND MANY goodies like approved projects and EAR MARKS FOR HIS DISTRICT !!!!!!!!All for a promise not to run against him and do ANYTHING in debates and spend his nutty supporters money TO SUPPORT ROMNEY.
What a bunch of SUCKERS the RP supporters have been.
Are you going to revolt and join OCCUPOTTY ?If this all pans out, Ron Paul and his supporters will go down in history as the goofiest political movement EVER !!!!!
I ALREADY feel very embarressed for you all (some did not deserve this and are just some younsters who do not know better and Granpa used you) to have been used and suckered so badly.
It will STINK on the WORLD WIDE WEB forever.
GEEZ ! GET A LIFE , PLEASE, POLLIES !!!!!!
Your IP address can be tracked very easy by Homeland, so don’t threaten people because the Ron Paul campaign ripped you off and lied to you.
Some of you already are already under investigation I bet for threats and vile language.
If you want to hate me for telling you the truth, give it our best shot.
It will just prove I was correct.
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I was glad to see you both there tonight, even if you were dawning your cool blue profiles
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NEWT IS SO RIGHT!!!! obama’s infanticide is the worst of fanatic dogmas that the press refused to expose! Amazing how in a few short words , NEWT set the record straight and put the problem on obama and his allies in the lamestream media!!!!!
romney just went on and on and on, and I still don’t know what he was trying to say except trying to say something that we already know
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sad how Santorum is imploding as he tries to go tit for tat with the romney attack machine
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Thank you. I’m willing to be wrong if there’s good information here. Appreciated.
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That is tin foil hat talk.
If Santorum had voted according to his rhetoric, he would have been called a non-effective congressman, or senator, just as Ron Paul is called this. You can’t have integrity and be a player in D.C. Getting things done in this government, means just that: You will get lots of bad things done. If everyone was like Paul, then congress might meet every two years for about two months, like it was in the old days. There wouldn’t be much to do, so long as the border was secure, and the courts were funded. They wouldn’t have to bring the head of the central bank in for questioning, because it wouldn’t exist. No more hearings about what corporations, that got bail outs, did with the money. Working for CSPAN would be a part time job. Sounds good to me.
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