The Right Scoop
Romney was right when he dressed Rick down of immigration. Rick has sold Texans down the Rio Grande.
Anderson let the others speak at least 5-10 seconds over their TIME time and once the TIME was called for Dr. Paul, he just interrupted right away. Now, if I don't call this "media blackout" then I am not sure what I should call "media blackout." I call SHENANIGANS on this bullshit channel.
You are clueless as to how our "federal reserve" monetary system works if you think we are not there for oil and there because we give a rats shit about the people of those nations. Islam is a peaceful religion; coming from a hardcore anti-theist. There are radicals but what religion does not have psychos? What culture does not have psychos? Oh, Buddhists, but that is a whole different story. They are in touch with nature in stead of holding on to this childish and unproven idiocy of a divine asswipe watching over us. Now tell me, if this asswipe you call God gave a shit, would we be in this mess? No. Now come back to reality, we are in huge shit right now and theism has done nothing but make things worse for all of us. And we can see that there isn't such a thing. So can we just stop with it's bullshit already? God isn't real, he doesn't exist, and if he did, he would have came down and fixed this problem by now. HE DOESN'T EXIST!
You people and your views on Islamic countries are so skewed by media, it's sad. They want your ass out of their country, it is that simple. That's what they all have been saying. Listen to them. They have nothing against your freedom or sovereignty, THEY DON'T LIKE YOU ON THEIR LAND! The dumb shit politicians who say they would attack us if we left are exactly that, dumb shits.
Man, you people really need to grow up and leave your imaginary friends where they belong, in your imagination. I don't want to hear how many times you pray, because all that tells me is you wasted that time on doing absolutely nothing productive.
In the "real world" taxes are going up on you RIGHT NOW. Have you seen the latest inflation numbers? That's a tax my friend. Every time they do quantitative easing, you are paying for it. Who do you think is hurt most by that--the investors or you?
Cain's tax plan puts everyone in the tax game. It also will light a fire under this economy. Add the repatriation of business dollars overseas, and you will see hiring like never before. If nothing changes, you won't need to worry about how much you'll be taxed.
Part of the American Dream is the hope that you can do better if you put your mind to it. We Americans don't need to be coddled. We need an economic environment that provides a path to our prosperity.
I'll add one more point. Forgive me for droning on. How did you calculate your sales tax? I might be mistaken, but there are plenty of things I pay for that would not be taxable.
Med bills
utility bills
Rent/Mortgage payment
Other debt payments
Point is, it is not as simple as adding 9% and 9% together to make 18 or even 15% total to calculate.
Honestly? Newt hit it out of the park. Bachmann sounded almost screechy at some points, Cain (as much as I love him) looked angry that there would be questions about his 9-9-9 plan. Romney & Perry scuffling the way they did made them both look petty.
Watching the debate in Las Vegas, Governor Perry wins the prize for arrogance and for not answering the questions asked him but veering off to respond selfishly as he want to. He also wins the prize for beating a dead horse!
I'll supply this link in contrast.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204346104576637310315367804.html?mod=rss_opinion_main
Perhaps we owe it to ourselves and our informed vote to do exactly what Cain asked us to do: Go to his site and review the analysis, then bump it up against the criticisms. Not saying the criticisms aren't valid; just saying let's get all the facts on the table.
Thanks RS for posting this. I could not connect with it and then thought to look here. You never fail you fans. Thanks for keeping us informed.
My predictions of the outcome of this debate: (just wargaming for fun here, nothing serious)
Cain is new lone frontrunner
Newt pulls into a tie with Romney
Perry sinks even lower
Santorum bows out in a couple of weeks
Bachmann gains ground, but won't have enough to pull it out.
Paul remains steady with his libertarian base (supporters continue to try to ask conservatives to abandon principle and convert on the 50% they all agree on)
Possible aftermath of first primary vote:
Sarah will endorse Cain or Newt, putting them way out front
Bachmann will do the same if she doesn't see good numbers
Cain adopts/co-ops Perry's energy policy
Newt, if he can't get financial backing to take his campaign all the way, will search out VP possibilities--or bow out and say "My purpose was to shape the debate"
Romney will fade as the conservatives get emboldened by the polls
Paul is the big question mark--will he be the spoiler and go independent? Or will he vie for a VP spot? Will he endorse (not likely)?
RS. Thanks for putting Paul back on the ballot. I'm not a Paul supporter, but now I know the true percentages of my candidates without Paul supporters jamming up the process. We all know they crash these polls. No big revelation there.
That made me laugh.
The only question I have in a mitt V obamao face off is if they will give each other the secret handshake and call each other comrade.
I would be puking over how many times both would have to say, "I agree with him"
It would not be a debate, it would be the opposite.
All he ever does is saying his analysis is the only right analysis and give out nothing. Give me the differences! I dont have all day to read your analysis.
You don't have time to read an analysis? You would rather depend on his or someone else's talking points? (sigh)
Perry looked like a Chihuahua trying to attack a Pit Bull...it was not a pretty sight. Someone call animal control. Poor Chihuahua!
I think Cain and Perry lost this debate in a big way.
Santorum and Bachmann imo gave their strongest performance to date.
Paul and Romney didn't fall but Romney stumbled during his school yard scuffle with Perry.
Newt, pudgy Newt, displayed the greatest breadth of knowledge and I think he won this debate. He should lose some weight and do a few hundred reps of sit-ups and push-ups per day or until he can see his feet when standing.
That wasn't what Paul said.
Paul just said that Wall street got bailed out, while the people did not.
Also, Ron Paul supporters are out there trying to educate
The OWS protesters on individual liberty and responsibility,
as well as how big government has created the very thing they're against.
Perhaps we should educate them instead of just attacking them.
We didn't like it when they did that with the Tea Party.
It seems our goal should always be to persuade people to our side.
Romney is a phony, but Perry is, too...he's my governor. A complete phony. I'd trust Romney over Perry any day and I'm not a Romney fan in any measurable way. My money's still on Cain...with Newt as his VP. :)
Perry looked like an idiot..which he is. No substance behind his vitriol and only makes Romney, who is not a real conservative, look like a victim.
Perry was the biggest jackass. Santorum had a legitimate point. Perry looked like he was just mad and desperate. I'm glad he's gone after tonight--and he's my governor.
Mitt is not a conservative. He's a RINO. He doesn't do anything about spending, doesn't address getting rid of the terrible goon squad called the IRS, and simply passing waivers to the states on Obamacare/Romneycare is NOT repealing it.
So, it seems the Ron Paul vote all voted for the guy who didn't even bother to show up. Hey Scoop, is there any way to show our votes by our names on the thread? It'd be a good way to be able to see someone's other posts and allegiances. Just a thought.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I purposely didn't create a post specifically for this reason. If they come here en masse, I will delete his name from the poll.
Perry did make an arse out of himself, but RP's best debate was the last one IIRC.
This one was definitely Newt and Cain at the top.
I won't mention a word. I never do. I don't really care about online polls. But this was Ron's best debate thus far. He almost seemed like the grownup in the room and Rick Perry made an ass of himself.
Ok.. Ok... relax.. They're busy over on the Daily Paul with the Black This Out Bomb anyway. They're completely distracted anyway.
Romney got bloodied in this debate--finally. He was petty, argumentative, and whiney. Newt truly moved above the fray and was presidential. He was the clear winner tonight.
Care to back that up with Mittens' record of appointing real conservatives to his administration?
...and this time, the people will elect anyone who gets the nomination - everyone knows the Ohole has to go.
Why does he remind me of John Kerry? Both have fake tans and look like plastic?
At least he didnt ask him about the time he ( Romney) put the dog on the roof of the car during the family vacation. Remember that?
Gingrich has gone down in my estimation, cain has gone down, romney was never up, I am now favoring Paul and Santorum...as well as changed the channel to TNT and Bones.
lets talk freedom... and the legalization of marijuana... im a hard working tax paying guy who would love to smoke once my day at work is through... everyone else can drink/ get drunk and cause ten times more trouble than people who enjoy alittle green after a hard day at work.. its bull shit
this would make 90% of americans happy.. cause economy growth and greatly slow down the mexican drug war... farmers could grow it.. there is no good reason not to legalize it.. im tired of be controlled by this so called goverment
just wanted to say thanks for having this up... makes it way better than having to actually use a TV :)
lol! also i see you included Ron Paul in this poll.......... i think you scared them all of by now, since he currently has only one vote :D
I can bring them here in a second if you want, but I'll represent him here all by myself...
I look forward to anyone presenting anything that Paul said that they disagreed with - even the foreign policy issues. Let's have a real discussion. All of them up there are dancing around his issues. Issues he's been arguing for the last 30 years.
Bring on the Israel issue. As a Christian, I strongly believe that those that bless Israel will be blessed and those that curse Israel will be cursed. Ask me the question and I will show you that Ron Paul's solution is the one most in line with scripture's mandate.
I was busy and did not check your response till today.
1. What were the terrorists shouting as they flew the planes into their targets, Rahul? -- The same the Libyan rebels and Egyptian protestors were shouting during their fight for freedom: "Allahu Akbar."
2. I'm saying I'd rather fight on their lands not ours. -- And I'm asking, "Why fight at all, when they never posed a credible threat to America's existence?"
3. We also trained the Mujahadeen to fight against the Soviets, Bin Laden being one of those we trained. We did NOT train the Taliban for pete's sake. Where do you get this stuff? -- I know too well the history of CIA and ISI in the subcontinent region. Taliban was built on dismantled Mujahideen fighters of Pakistani origin (most Afghanis in the Mujahideen opposed the Taliban). And their continued training and support was from ISI, and Pakistan was on US payroll all through those years (Foreign aid). Pakistan is too poor to feed its own people; you really think they would have afforded supporting Taliban all by themselves?
4. Hmmm...as opposed to what? Letting Iran run them over? Yeah, makes perfect sense. -- If you check the Iran-Iraq war, it was Iraq that started the war. So, the justification for propping up a dictator on the pretext that Iran was invading Iraq is baseless.
5. Iran had been a supporter of Hitler and had changed their name from Persia to Iran partly because of Hitler and his Aryan(which became translated Iran btw) race theories. -- Even Italy supported Hitler. Why did the CIA not carry out Coups in Italy then? Iran has oil and Italy does not. Simple!
6. They also became increasingly friendly with the Russian Communists. Mossadegh tried to fold Parliament and continued to try and nationalize the Iranian oil fields that the British had developed for them -- Firstly, being communist is not an excuse for meddling in their internal matters. Secondly, the Brits did not develop the oil for THEM, they did it for THEMSELVES. It's a huge difference. Iran was getting a marginal "royalty fees" from the Queen, and Iranian government had no power to regulate the oil extraction either. Iranians had every right to nationalize their oil fields if they saw that fit. Financial entanglements of ONE or few oil company(ies) is not justification for over 60 years or bad foreign policy costing trillions of dollars and thousands of lives.
7. A westernized Iraq with an open society and free elections is a natural deterent to the creep of Islamofacism -- That should explain our support for the Wahabbi establishment in Saudi Arabi, who (by the way) hate our guts! (Irony of the paradox)
8. Where's the oil and who else would you have fulfill those contracts? -- You claimed it was not for Oil, and then again you contradict yourself by questioning why any other companies should be allowed to participate in oil developments there if they were not part of the attack. You just made my point!
9. I have two trusted sources that both were in the military and on the ground that verified to me personally that Iraq had a WMD program and that it was dismantled and sent to Iran and Syria. -- Hahaha. So going into Iraq was foolish after all, eh? Are you suggesting now that maybe we should have gone into Syria and Iran instead? More "trusted intel" from the same expert sources? Yeah! I thought so!!!
Look Mike, we are as worried about our collective safety as you are. I am a Christian too who was lucky enough to have been blessed with life in a democratic republic with all its freedoms (and problems). Thanks for your offer to protect us all from enemies, but we do not need protection from imaginary enemies! These enemies we fight today can easily be defeated by simply empowering the right people in those regions to tackle the fringe fundamentalist elements. That empowerment does not come through war. The proof to my point? Both the countries that we fought for are still in chaos and turmoil, while other Arab nations have revolted and moved onto being democracies without an American war needed!
The only person with even a sense of understanding of what is happening in the middle east. Good job.
Its about securing US dollar to be used in any foreign oil trade. Thats why its about oil. It has nothing to do with religion. How naive is that.
when i said I dont care about the religious bs...I didnt mean it as an attack on religion...even though I personally believe that religion has done more harm than good throughout time. I also believe that you have every right to believe what you will...but just cause you believe it...dont expect me to as well.
When I said "the religious bs" i meant basically that I dont care why people fight over there...or anywhere else.. religion...resources...political views...etc. They are all meaningless to me.
Actually ill put it this way...I myself have a family to look after....but im broke and my family is hurting...now with that said....if I overhear somebody arguing ...even if one of them is a friend...I dont take money I dont have to help support one of their positions. No matter what the argument is about.
My family comes first...if I have extra money...then fine...I may help somebody out if they truly need it...but i wont take away food from my kids mouth to give to somebody else.
And thats basically what we are doing now. The president/government is the head of the household...and the people are the children (in this scenario)...and they are talking food from our mouths...money from our pockets...to give to others when we have none for ourselves to begin with.
Thats what I meant.
And when it comes to religion....I have to say that I was a little pee'd at Newt when he said basically you have to have faith to be moral. And people actually cheered him for it. There are plenty of religious...a-moral people in the world...and plenty of non-religious but moral people as well. Some people dont need a book...or an invisible father figure (no offense) to tell us whats morally good and decent. You get your morals from your family...your life experiences...even where you grow up. Not only from a set of rules in a book.
Thats basically saying...Im only a good person cause I believe that if I'm not that I will burn in hell for eternity and that God wants me to be moral/good etc.
....not because I AM a good or moral person...even without all that. Or another way....its a good thing god has all these rules...cause if not Id be killing people left and right....stealing from everyone I see and causing all kinds of mayhem...thank god I got this book to keep me straight.
Like I said though...I dont want anyone to see this as an attack on faith...I dont care who you pray to...what you pray to...or even if you pray at all.....but to say that the only thing that keeps us moral is faith...is an insult to me and im sure many others who dont belong to that train of thought.
Again...just my 2 cents....
:-)
Adam - you shut us who would die for our faith down when you start out by saying "I don't care about the religious and political bs in the ME". Your argument does not stand merit from our perspective.
I agree with everything thing you are saying AND everything that Mike is saying.
The problem with both you and Mike (and most of us) is that you/we project your beliefs on the entire situation and everyone is talking past each other based upon their world view while the unmoving facts are entirely different from everything we discuss.
It's time to take our shirts off and look honestly at ourselves - our country - in the mirror. Come to grips with reality and make decisions that will salvage our country's standing - not only in the world - but also with God.
hechaoran. Your comments and stances are so shallow, it's not worth having the debate. Go pitch a tent on wall street. They think at your level. One layer deep.
I don't need a foreign suspected terrorist in my court system, thank you. I'll let the military handle that just like any other military in the world would handle their prisoners. If they are American nationals, then let's put them on trial for treason. I'm ok with that, as long as it is a military court that does so.
I would only support civilian trials if the people were citizens who were caught and jailed within our borders.
Ok ill add my two cents here.....
Personally I dont care about the religious and political bs in the middle east with Israel and Iran and all that....what it boils down to for me is something Ive been saying for years....
Stop worrying about every other country and worry about ourselves for once!
It almost seems like lately we've been searching out reasons to get into other countries bs. Now if we were back in the days of Clinton...with a balanced budget...with a low unemployment rate..etc...and we wanted to go help somebody out...then fine...we have the money...im not cold hearted..thats fine
But we are not....we are more in debt than ever... we have demonstrations and uprising like I've never seen in my life...we have more unemployed and homeless people.... again...then ive ever seen in my lifetime (33)...etc.
If somebody in the middle east needs help...announce it on the news or whatever and have a fund that people can contribute to if they wish. Just like when all that mess that happened in Japan...they had disaster relief funds all over the place. Then the people themselves can decide if we as a nation have the money to hand over instead of automatically saying that the government knows what we want to do and will do it for us. Cause we all know when the government does something its never just out of the kindness of its heart...lol
The main reason I see that most of the world...not just the middle eastern countries...hates us is because we prop ourselves up like the high and mighty moral authority on everything.
Its like a person complaining to me that my house is a mess...when they have a trash heap in their back yard.
We cant not and should not tell anyone else how to live when we can't even get our own act together.
As far as those who say...well if we dont do this then they might come and bomb us and blah blah blah.....
We have...without a doubt...the strongest most sophisticated military in the world. Now unless we had a whole group of countries trying to take us out...they really are not much of a threat. Especially if we did listen to Paul and pull all our military back to defend this country instead of everyone elses.
Not to mention the money that we would save...the extra revenue from military personnel spending money here. Then if god forbid...we needed to defend this country from attack...we'd have the people and the funds when we needed them.
Just my humble 2 cents
Shadownian
Mike - I really appreciate your perspective - and obviously hard work searching out your stance - and there's a lot to agree with in your responses - but the main problem with your position is that you are projecting your beliefs onto the those in the decision making positions for our country - and just because you and I believe these things concerning Israel - do you for one second think that the one-worlders, atheists, progressive whack jobs lining our halls of power give a crap about our beliefs?
Ask yourself this and answer honestly. I was right there with you till I fleshed this entirely out.
We are living with the people who grew up in the 60's (when they first took God out of the schools) now being in power.
The govt is completely in bed with these corps and they grant them special statuses and monopolies and take our tax dollars to make their policies play out.
What's the motivation? Power, control.
Governments thrive and derive power by being put in the position of settling disputes. They thrive even more when they can settle disputes between foreign countries.
Businesses thrive when they eliminate competition. When the government does it for them - they thrive even more and are willing to pay off politicians - both legally and illegally to mete that objective out.
Israel's enemies currently receive seven times more Foreign welfare from us than Israel does. American weapons companies get much of that money back from weapons purchased by those countries - our tax dollars making the complete loop back into our MIC. American companies thrive on the conflict in the ME - they support candidates who keep that perpetuate that conflict.
Stop all the Foreign welfare. Let Israel finally defend itself. If the American people want to truly defend Israel - we can send them money - we can still sell them weapons. They truly have the weapons to defend themselves if they want.
I love Israel - and I truly want what is best for them - and what we've currently got going on isn't doing it.
1. 9/11 happened because US has bases in Saudi Arabia (go watch Bin Laden's video message right after 9/11). Not ONLY because of support to Israel. Most of the 9/11 attackers were Saudi citizens (Not Afghani or Iraqi or Iranian).
What were the terrorists shouting as they flew the planes into their targets, Rahul?
2. Both Korean and Vietnam wars ended in a stalemate; none of the American interests were achieved in the end! How is that a positive in your view? It beats me!
I'm saying I'd rather fight on their lands not ours.
3. Afghans hate America because Pakistan trained and supported the oppressive Taliban regime in Afghanistan with CIA's help and American foreign aid.
We also trained the Mujahadeen to fight against the Soviets, Bin Laden being one of those we trained. We did NOT train the Taliban for pete's sake. Where do you get this stuff?
4. Iraq hates America because the oppressive and sadistic Saddam Hussein was propped up with high-tech weapons and training from US in the 80s as a counter balance to Iran in the region.
Hmmm...as opposed to what? Letting Iran run them over? Yeah, makes perfect sense.
5. Iran hates America because the CIA overthrew a democratically elected government in 1953 and installed a Dictator (King, aka Shah of Iran). A popular uprising against the dictator was squashed with British and American troops directly used on ground. The hate is not because we are friends with Israel.
Well, you know there's more to that story than your admitting here. Iran had been a supporter of Hitler and had changed their name from Persia to Iran partly because of Hitler and his Aryan(which became translated Iran btw) race theories. They also became increasingly friendly with the Russian Communists. Mossadegh tried to fold Parliament and continued to try and nationalize the Iranian oil fields that the British had developed for them just like Hugo Chavez has done in Argentina.
6. Arabs don't hate Israel (Jews) solely for their religion. It is Geo-political. Please, read the history of the Israeli State and the British Mandate of Palestine to understand the long-standing Arab opposition to the Israeli state starting from 1920.
I know it much better than you, I can assure you. And I'm glad you agree that Jews are hated for their religion.
7. You seem to be under the impression that American Corporations did not enjoy any benefits from the invasions in the middle east. Do not forget the $4 Trillion taxpayer money spent in 8 years to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan (All of that money went to few select defence contractors and construction companies).
You seem to forget that there are only a few companies that can support our military. It wasn't a conspiracy, it's logic. A westernized Iraq with an open society and free elections is a natural deterent to the creep of Islamofacism.
8. ExxonMobil and Haliburton have received contracts to oil fields in Iraq (Also, BP).
Where's the oil and who else would you have fulfill those contracts? Our competitors that risked NOTHING to free Iraq? Like France perhaps who was pocketing blood money under the table for years from Hussein's UN oil for food program?
9. Ending with Iran again, do not forget that there is no proof that Iran has a nuclear weapons program. IAEA agents have inspected all nuclear sites in Iran and specifically declared that there was no proof of a weapons program. If you base your trust in a bunch of politicians who claim there is top-secret information, that cannot be revealed to anybody, establishing Iran's guilt... DO NOT forget that the same political system claimed the exact same things about Iraq, repeatedly warning Americans against an imminent mushroom cloud over Washington if nothing is done about Saddam right away!!! -- Fool me once, shame on you... Fool me twice, shame on me!!!
I have two trusted sources that both were in the military and on the ground that verified to me personally that Iraq had a WMD program and that it was dismantled and sent to Iran and Syria. Interesting that Israel bombs Syria in 2010 over a suspected nuclear site when Syria had never been even really mentioned as a potential nuclear threat...HMMMMMM. And not one word was said about the bombing a week or so afterwards. Syria would not allow IAEA inspectors in to offer aid and they would answer no questions regarding the "accident" or aggression on them by Israel.
You can continue to believe the Ron Paul narrative all you want...while realists act responsibly to viable threats from enemies who hate us and want us dead. All of us.
1. 9/11 happened because US has bases in Saudi Arabia (go watch Bin Laden's video message right after 9/11). Not ONLY because of support to Israel. Most of the 9/11 attackers were Saudi citizens (Not Afghani or Iraqi or Iranian).
2. Both Korean and Vietnam wars ended in a stalemate; none of the American interests were achieved in the end! How is that a positive in your view? It beats me!
3. Afghans hate America because Pakistan trained and supported the oppressive Taliban regime in Afghanistan with CIA's help and American foreign aid.
4. Iraq hates America because the oppressive and sadistic Saddam Hussein was propped up with high-tech weapons and training from US in the 80s as a counter balance to Iran in the region.
5. Iran hates America because the CIA overthrew a democratically elected government in 1953 and installed a Dictator (King, aka Shah of Iran). A popular uprising against the dictator was squashed with British and American troops directly used on ground. The hate is not because we are friends with Israel.
6. Arabs don't hate Israel (Jews) solely for their religion. It is Geo-political. Please, read the history of the Israeli State and the British Mandate of Palestine to understand the long-standing Arab opposition to the Israeli state starting from 1920.
7. You seem to be under the impression that American Corporations did not enjoy any benefits from the invasions in the middle east. Do not forget the $4 Trillion taxpayer money spent in 8 years to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan (All of that money went to few select defence contractors and construction companies).
8. ExxonMobil and Haliburton have received contracts to oil fields in Iraq (Also, BP).
9. Ending with Iran again, do not forget that there is no proof that Iran has a nuclear weapons program. IAEA agents have inspected all nuclear sites in Iran and specifically declared that there was no proof of a weapons program. If you base your trust in a bunch of politicians who claim there is top-secret information, that cannot be revealed to anybody, establishing Iran's guilt... DO NOT forget that the same political system claimed the exact same things about Iraq, repeatedly warning Americans against an imminent mushroom cloud over Washington if nothing is done about Saddam right away!!! -- Fool me once, shame on you... Fool me twice, shame on me!!!
I am just warming up here. I can go on all day! Who is naive here on foreign policy Mike? You or Dr. Paul?
PS: I lived a better part of my life outside America, and so I was fortunate enough to look beyond American media propaganda on world issues.
And thanks for your condescending attitude. You take out of context what I said to make fun of my faith and Ron Paul's faith, btw. Nice job. I knew better to even try and discuss anything with you.
Ask Ron Paul if he believes that or not...then lol at him. If this was about oil, why haven't we taken one drop of oil out of Iraq?
Ron Paul supported using Letters of Marque to establish guilt without the defendent being present to defend himself. What's the difference? What we're talking about is top secret information that elected officials are privy too who give their ok on actions against enemy combatants according to Geneva Convention and US law. Are you against that?
"We are a Christian nation and the Bible instructs us that anyone that blesses Israel will be blessed and those who curse Israel will be cursed." I loled. How brainwashed are you? Really? Really? It's all about oil dude. You dont get it and you will never get it.
ok, this is going nowhere since you've already put binders on what my opinion can be or what I could possibly be right or wrong concerning but here it goes...
America supports Israel. We support Israel because they are the rational presence in the ME and always have been. We support Israel because of our religious ties. We are a Christian nation and the Bible instructs us that anyone that blesses Israel will be blessed and those who curse Israel will be cursed. Because of this support, we will always be the enemies of Islam. The muslim Americans who are loyal to this country are seen as traitors to Islam the closer you get to Mecca and Tehran despite their profession of faith in Islam. Islam and Mohammad want Christians and Jews to either all die or all be in servitude/dhimmitude to Islam. America is the big Satan and Israel is the little Satan. We, and ONLY we, are the impediment to Islam re-establishing the Caliphate as it once was and as they are instructed to always maintain.
I actually support a portion of Ron Paul's treatment of foreign aid, but to disengage from all foreign fronts that pose a threat to the USA is just naive. I'm glad we fought in Korea and Vietnam and not on US soil, aren't you? I would've much rather the terrorists NOT hijacked planes on 911, don't you feel the same way? I'd support leaving wherever we're not wanted tomorrow if we can do it safely for our troops...but I'd expand the Navy and Airforce immediately and rapidly expand our Special Forces units all over the globe.
I'd be comfortable telling the entire middle east that we're leaving and no one gets anymore foreign aid except for the ones who pay back their loan guarantees..and who would that be? Israel. I'd also inform Eqypt, who is being taken over by the Muslim Brotherhood--read Muslim Maffia!--, Syria, Libya, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Lebanon, the PLO, Hammas, Somalia, and every other enemy of Israel that we will no longer pressure Israel to not strike whenever she feels threatened. You ready for that reality??? Instead of a 6 day War, you'd see a 6 hour war with nukes and millions of people dead and oil fields that the entire world depends on ruined for hundreds of years from fallout. This is what I'm talking about...this is exactly the kind of "pure" libertarianism that I admire about Ron Paul but makes him unelectable. Not everyone in the world is as pure a man as he is, as I am, or you are. Some people are crazy and they hate us because they hate their own life and their irrational and controlled by a religion that teaches that Jews and Christians are pigs, monkeys, and animals that need to be wiped off the planet forever.
lol, naive.
Answer this. Why America? Why not China? Why America is the big target? If you say because America is so good that they envy US, then I'm done talking to you.
You have to understand the difference between military spending and defense spending. Do at least a little bit research on the mid-east issue plz. Why do they hate America? Then you will see how Ron Paul is right.
America is on evil purpose to go into those countries at the first place.
Why African countries like to do deals with China now rather than US? Because of USs interventionism policies.
Ron's view of foreign policy is naive and assumes that all of our enemies will just automatically not hate us anymore if we do what they want us to do. I love his opinions on the economy and monetary policy, but his looney statements like those held in Guantanimo aren't guilty of anything is beyond stupid. He makes an inch of progress on an economic issue only to shoot himself in the head with some batcrapcrazy foreign policy comment.
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