grain of salt? he simply didn't want his identity to be known for fear of repercussions from union thugs. wise up. you do realize that for instance teachers, in private, bash their teacher's union, but in public, must toe the line for fear of union reps threatening them etc. I listened to that guy on the bus call, a few times, and it sounded very very real to me, not scripted, no errors or comments that would make you think the guy was lying and making it up. He had a lot of detail about the buses, people on the bus, his reasons for being on the bus and so on. the sad thing is that if he had a bit more courage, he could have had Plante show up with a news crew when the buses arrived in Wisconsin. If you don't think unions and other groups (left and right) bus people in to vote from other counties/states, you are very naive and I have some facebook IPO stock to sell you at $38/share.
so, the HONEST lead by Walker would be closer to 40%, if not more......
People has spoken, thugs were marginalized......
I got this comment from a friend of mine yesterday morning and was actually surprised and VERY pleased that Walker won.
"May be a fustercluck! No ID required, same day registration = thousands of students registering and voting, reports of bus loads of union members coming in from surrounding states to vote, some precincts already reporting 119% turnout, GOP poll watchers being evicted. I may have to downgrade my prediction."
Calling BS on this one.
There was no background noise and it did not sound to me like he was whispering as he claimed. Sorry but phones do pick up background noise on a buss and people talk on buses.
everybody needs to get out their video phones and upload and the illegal doings. this is the first step in stopping it.
Mike has called in many times. He seems credible. And this is exactly the thing that Socialist unions do. They lie, and they cheat. Oh and Chris Plante is the best kept secret in conservative talk radio. 105.9 rocks the house.
The left came out with an unverifiable claim that the Walker campaign made robocalls telling people they didn't have to vote if they signed a petition (truly, you'd have to be an idiot to believe that, anyway...). Seems there's a lot of shit being thrown in this shit storm that was started up by liberal union socialists who went out of their minds when Walker did the right thing. It will be heartwarming watching MSNBC tonight and seeing Ed Schultz and the gang going crazy in anger on set.
I don't blame him for not leaving his phone number. If it is legit he could be in danger. Maybe he is already if someone overheard him.
Just shows you what lengths these people will go to for a bogus "victory." I wonder how many dead people will be voting for the Democrats today, too.
Why am I not surprised? It doesn't matter if this particular incident is live or memorex. Dem's passed around recall petitions allowing people to sign several times and it was considered legal because the Wisconsin powers that be said they had no idea if they were signing a legitimate petition. Then when the Tea Party amassed thousands of volunteers to go through the petitions, a Judge said they couldn't give them time to verify. Union people were getting fake Dr's notes to miss work and squat at the state capitol to protest. Now you tell me that the democrats aren't going to use illegal means to win this...
The DOJ is monitoring all this. They are making sure they all vote representing the correct dead person.
Aholes. They can't win because they're wrong, so they have to cheat.
And Holder wants to stop states like Florida, S.C., etc. from cleaning up the fraudulent voting systems in their states... in fact, they gagged Wisconsin on this before the Walker election, just for this to happen. Find these frauds, arrest them, fine them heavily, and if a union is part of this, fine the snot out of them too. Jail time would be awesome.
I don't abide by liars and cheaters or unrepentant criminals.
I agree with some of you other folks that this sounds stupid. This guy is suggesting that he joined a group of leftist democrats as a republican to go to Wisconsin from Michigan so that he can commit voter fraud. Hmmm. I'm thinking he IS a leftist democrat who is trying to build his own little narrative about how leftist thuggery is equitable to conservative tactics. Not really buying this. I do believe that the left will be up to something tonight, but I'm not sure this is it.
I very much doubt the credibility of this story, especially given that the source is an unverified caller on a conservative talk radio show. Despite what people think, voter fraud is incredibly rare, this is an effort to plant the seeds of doubt as to Barrett's legitimacy if he somehow manages to pull off a win
Have you actually looked up the statistics on voter fraud? In 2010 there were over 10,000 fraudulant voter registrations in Houston, Texas alone. What about the thousands of illegal immigrants and voters registered in multiple states that Florida just found on thier roles. As long as voter ID requirements are kept from elections there will be voter fraud! Are all Liberals required to wear rose colored glasses?
You may want to check that again. The Brennan Center for Justice (non-partisan organization) does extensive research on these things, they found the rate of voter fraud was somewhere between .0002% and .0004% (which corresponds to about 6 cases out of almost 500,000 cast, as shown in Missouri in the 2000 election). In all the case studies they did, they did not find a single case of voter fraud that would have been solved by voter ID requirements like the ones being pushed all across the country, however these requirements disenfranchise a significant number of eligible voters, and those disenfranchised are disproportionately Democratic voters based on demographics. Voter ID is a baldly political push and has no actual impact on voter fraud.
Citation: http://brennan.3cdn.net/e20e4210db075b482b_wcm6ib0hl.pdf (long, but worth a read)
You have those dem talking points down pat. You're a liar, it's not hard to get ID, my mother who never drove a day in her life as well as my mil both had/have government ID.
You have to have government ID to get on an airplane, I suppose those people break mostly for republicans.
Go back under your liberal rock now, we're sick of you createns.
Your aguments are complete B.S. A woman without ID because she got married? Sorry, here in Texas the only people you may "disenfranchise" are the millions of illegal aliens. You picked the wrong site to pedal your propaganda.
In Indiana a person needs a picture ID to vote. They will even give a person one for free and help them get to the BMV. If a person is too damn lazy to even do that, they don't need to vote. Same w married women. No excuse for it. The fact that most of those people vote Democrat says alot about how they vote doesn't it? Case closed.
How would you know if the right person voted if you don't require ID? What alternate reality do you live in?
Up to 10% of people don't have a government issued identification, many of them poor or minorities. Women also have difficulties because if they change their name after getting married, they don't always have a photo ID with their new name on it. These are all groups that break mostly for Democrats
how does showing an ID disenfranchise anyone? About the same percentage as voter fraud I imagine. 99.9% of people have ID's. If they don't want to show it to vote it must be because they aren't who they say they are.
Disagree- The seeds against the credibility of a Walker victory have been planted for weeks by claiming that Walker is being paid for by out of Staters. This, if phony, is to play another "Republicans stole the election WHARRGARBL!!" game for this next election, which may force Obama's DOJ to move into battleground polling areas for the 2012 election to "prevent" fraud.
That isn't a voter fraud issue though, I'm talking about legal legitimacy. Walker is legally allowed to raise money out of state, so that wouldn't make his victory illegitimate. However, there are reports of people going door to door and telling voters that they don't have to vote if they signed the recall petition, can't vote unless they voted in 2010, and there are apparently mailers and robocalls going out telling people the election is on Wednesday, though I seriously doubt those are connected to the Walker campaign. They are probably unaffiliated, conservative third party groups doing voter suppression since high turnout *generally* favors Democrats
(For the record, I'm a Barrett supporter, but I'm trying to look at things as independently of ideology as I can)
It's an important distinction. Things like ACORN workers illegally registering voters have no impact on elections, since "Mickey Mouse" and "Donald Duck" aren't going to show up to vote anyway. The organizers do it because they have to meet quotas for the organization, but it doesn't affect the integrity of the elections. Voter suppression is more problematic, but all voter suppression efforts I have seen confirmed (and I've checked conservative, liberal and unaffiliated media for it, part of the reason I'm on this site in the first place) has been directly aimed at suppressing the votes of Democrats or has been used in primarily Democratic areas. Which makes sense given that high turnout (except in the Milwaukee suburbs) favors Democrats (this is just a basic political science principle). If there were suppression efforts underway in the Milwaukee suburbs, then that would be concerning for Republicans, but there don't seem to be any that I can tell
With regards to the Brennan Center for Justice, the organization supports voting rights, as well as redistricting reform and campaign finance reform. The director is aligned with those goals, that doesn't make him a shill for a particular party though. They helped write the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act, which as the name implies, had bipartisan support. I doubt this will convince you, but the Brennan Center actually does very good work, and not being tied to a particular party is central to their success, since they can advocate for those particular issues without being shot down by the Democrats or Republicans for being off message or not a part of their platform
Ah, I see why voter fraud is so very rare in your eyes then. It's all in how you describe it. Do you, much like Bill Clinton, have a special definition for the word 'is'?
Edit: btw, the Brennan Center for Justice is run by a Bill Clinton flunky, too. Why do I think that they are just a tad bit short of unbiased?
Voter suppression is not the same as voter fraud. Voter fraud is the act of actually casting a ballot illegally, which almost never happens in contemporary American politics (see my citation above)
If you want to investigate voter fraud, the most logical place to look is the over 200,000 absentee ballots that have been cast already. Massive amounts of ballots there.
"For the record, I'm a Barrett supporter" - a
Not to disappoint you, but we figured that out already. Who should be more believed, the person that says, 'Hey, there's something dastardly going on here' or the person that says, 'Nothing to see here, move along'? You start out by saying voter fraud is extremely rare, then end by describing various ways that it is occurring.
I don't think we're going to have to wait for November for them to whine. I'm preparing myself for a recount on this one. Unless it's a landslide (doubtful) they will scream for a recount. It's rumored that Barrett has hired the same attorney who handled the recount for Al Franken.