UPDATED: West CLARIFIES – Allen West: Herman Cain needs to get out of the race

Posted by The Right Scoop on November 30th, 2011 in Politics | 157 Comments

***UPDATE: AUDIO ADDED***

Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.) said Wednesday he would advise Herman Cain to let voters “move on” from the distraction of his campaign.
Cain told his campaign this week it is time to “reassess” in light of the resurfacing of old sexual harassment allegations and new accusations this week that he carried on a 13-year affair.
“Beyond reassessing his campaign, he probably needs to understand that he is a distracter for what’s going on right now and we should move on,” West told WMAL’s radio show “Morning Majority.”
West, a Tea Party favorite, indicated Cain is already out of the running and the GOP nomination field has come down to “a two-man race.”
He named Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich, currently the front-runners in the polls, as the two most likely contenders. West said Romney, who has polled at around 24 percent nationally for months, has “hit a plateau” and called Gingrich, who came up from well behind to become a front-runner within the last few weeks, “very viable” as a candidate.
“Speaker Gingrich is the next in line for conservatives who are looking for someone who is not Mitt Romney,” he said. “But he does have that 200-pound rucksack on his back with a lot of the personal baggage that people are going to come at him about.”
Gingrich reportedly mentioned West, along with Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), earlier this week as possible vice presidential candidates on his hypothetical ticket.
West said he would have to pray about and discuss the opportunity with his family, but he promised: “If I can make a difference, then I’ll answer that call.”

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UPDATE: Here is the audio of the interview from WMAL. The part about 2012 and Herman Cain starts just before the 6 minute mark:

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UPDATE: West clarified on his Facebook that he is NOT asking Cain to step down:

“The media is trying to put me against Herman Cain. I guess its good for them to see two black men against each other. The facts are I am not telling Cain to step down. That is his decision and his only. What I said is the media focus on these incidents and “alleged affairs” are a distraction, and we as a country need to move on from this subject and get the focus on what the GOP contenders can seriously do for this country.”

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Anonymous
well I disagree with west here.
cains polls were very high last weekend before the “affair” story was tossed out.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6KRHXVK5ZCSWJ5GJQ5Z6GIJICA Dax
I couldn’t disagree more! That is what the media wants. One way you can look at Cain is that he’s taking all the scrutiny while the other candidates talk about issues. Also, if Cain is no longer in the running why doesn’t West tell Bachmann and Santorum to get out? Foolishness…and I like West.

http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer
Dear Lord, pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease convince this man to run for POTUS.

Anonymous
I think Sarah Palin has talked with him (completely my guess) if SP has a late entrance/independent strategy.
Col. West says it’s down to a 2-man race. We know he’s a TEA party loyalist, so Romney will be the last candidate he supports. But then he talk about the 200 lb ruck-sack of baggage for the other guy. Sounds like he’s not too excited about either option.
Please, please, let there be a late entrant!

Anonymous
It’s too late for Palin to get in.

B-Funk
I don’t think so. If she doesn’t get the nomination, so what… If she does, we’ll have a real fighter for Prez, which is exactly what we need to survive the next four or five years in this country. Either way, she’s not going to be hurt in the long run by giving it a go.

Anonymous
It’s over for Sarah. Move on.

B-Funk
You can’t say that for certain. Besides, she decides if it’s over, then if she runs in the nomination process, we get to decide if it’s over for her. From where I’m sitting, I think she’s not going to. I’ve long since moved on anyhow. It’s more just hypothesizing, so no need to be so abrupt.

Anonymous
Not being abrupt but people need to move on. It’s not happening although I am not happy with many of these candidates.
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B-Funk wrote, in response to aZjimbo:
You can’t say that for certain. Besides, she decides if it’s over, then if she runs in the nomination process, we get to decide if it’s over for her. From where I’m sitting, I think she’s not going to. I’ve long since moved on anyhow. It’s more just hypothesizing, so no need to be so abrupt. Link to comment

Anonymous
Not being abrupt myself, but I am not going to give up on the hope of a Palin independent run until the absolute last minute. She’s too good a choice.
Anonymous
Well that’s up to you. It will not happen. And if she ran as a 3rd party then she put nobama in office. Just don’t see why people can’t move on from her.
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Westernman wrote, in response to aZjimbo:
Not being abrupt myself, but I am not going to give up on the hope of a Palin independent run until the absolute last minute. She’s too good a choice. Link to comment

Anonymous
It’s too late to get into some of the primaries, and she would also have to organize a campaign and raise a lot of money on the spot. I love Palin, but unfortunately she didn’t get into the race. A lot of conservatives can’t stand her, but I don’t understand why. Because of that, she may not have gotten the nomination anyway but she sure as hell would have stirred up some dust by talking about corruption and whatever else the media ignores.

Anonymous
C’mon now. Palin is out. You gotta move on, like it or not. I’m working through my bitterness over this myself.
I think him talking about Gingrich’s shortcomings is just an honest assessment. He wouldn’t get into something like that without being clear on the obstacles.

Anonymous
Gingrich is the antithesis of the Tea Party agenda just look at his political record. He is just pandering for the Tea Party vote so he is throwing out the red meat that they like to hear. The real Tea Party conservative candidate with a strong moral compass, as Glenn Beck has mentioned, is Michelle Bachman.
Romney is my first choice but I could happily vote for Bachman.

Anonymous
Gingrich and Romney are chameleons they change their views with the season. They are both RINOs. There election would mean a continuation of the Bush-Obama policies in defense energy, deficit spending.

http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer
It’s a long shot I know, but he’s the only guy with guts, moral clarity, and leadership to do the tough job ahead.
Anonymous
Well Gingrich’s political record doesn’t fit the Tea party agenda. If you want a true Tea Party candidate then you need to rally behind Bachman. I like Palin but I think Bachman is smarter and has a much better resume.

cabensg
Would someone please actually do homework. Please. Pretty please with sugar on it.

cabensg
I’m sick of the fricking baggage crap. For heaven sake will people just do their homework and form a level headed decision based on facts. Everyone’s all upset over the liberal press and liberals forming our decision over Cain but it’s perfectly okay to use liberal talking points when it comes to Gingrich. IT HAPPENED YEARS AGO. He’s lived a Christian family life for many years. As a christian he’s ask forgiveness from the only entity that counts………..God!!!! Baggage is a liberal talking point and just shows how brain washed even other Republicans are.

joel Fiser
Why? So he can stick his finger to the wind and ask the media which Presidential candidates are approved for running?
So he can vote for raising the debt ceiling again? As he just did a few months ago when real Conservatives were begging him not to?
I loved what Col. West had to say at first… but watch this guy very closely for a while and you’ll start seeing a different picture from his gung ho military shtick.

http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer
He’s better than Ron Paul sticking his finger up his butt and giving nukes to Iran.
Just saying…
Anonymous
Yep. You are absolutely correct. I have been saying the same thing ever since his vote last summer. Something just isn’t kosher about the guy.

Anonymous
West??? He’s only been in the house for a year and now he’s POTUS material??
Don’t forget he had the nerve to vote FOR BBA despite that it removed the cap and cut part of the deal.
he’s not that conservative.

http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer
I hope your not a Cain supporter.

Anonymous
I am I Cain supporter. I want a REAL CONSERVATIVE. Who are YOU supporting??

Steven
Hmmm, I guess if Allen West says this then that’s that, huh? But I like that the article mentions a motive for him saying what he said. Would Herman Cain consider Allen West for VP?
In any case, I don’t make my mind up based on what others think. I will stand with Cain, because there’s a reason why the Left and the Media are hell-bent on destroying him and I will be damn if I assist them in that effort!
He may lose in the end, but Allen West and the media won’t make that decision. It’s the voters, like me that will. And as far as I am concern, I am willing to fight with Cain to get this nation back on track. We need to upend the status quo and you don’t do that sending the same people to Washington. I am not suggesting Cain is the Savior! I am saying that in this field, he is the only difference maker. That matters to me more than the opinions of even astute conservatives like Allen West. We need real change in Washington and Cain will bring that. Cain is able, Cain 2012!

http://twitter.com/torquepilot TORQUEPILOT
Even if I have to write the Cain Name on the ballot!

Anonymous
Ah West, man, what are you doing? What happened to not eating our own? Is Boehner mind melding you or what? Please, stop. Just stop.

Anonymous
Forget your comment. I love your name. (Your comment is pretty cool too. lol)

Anonymous
Thanks!

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/MVKB24PATKM3BXCRTLD62FUKK4 Richard
By his comments,I call West a turncoat,no wonder he called the tea party psychopath

Anonymous
West called the tea party psychopath? When?

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/MVKB24PATKM3BXCRTLD62FUKK4 Richard
It was a while back,don’t have a link

Anonymous
You’re breaking my heart! Say it isn’t so!

Anonymous
He called the Tea Party schizophrenic:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/07/29/rep_allen_west_slams_tea_party_schizophrenia.html
“I’m going to stand with this Boehner plan and once again, if the folks who one minute they’re saying that I’m their ‘tea party hero’ and what, three or four days later ‘I’m a tea party defector.’ That kind of schizophrenia, I’m not going to get involved in it.”
West has a poor voting record when it comes to spending and toeing the establishment line.
And never forget: Allen West does not live in the district he ran in. He actually lives in Debbie Wasserman Shultz’s district. That’s unforgivable in my book.

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/MVKB24PATKM3BXCRTLD62FUKK4 Richard
Thanks for the rectification
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495163355 Glenn Jaffas
If, as he says, one day Allen West is a ‘tea party’ hero and 4 days later he’s labeled as a defector- well, then the tea party is indeed schizophrenic.

Anonymous
That’s exactly what he was talking about.
And, in any case, he wasn’t saying the whole TEA party was schizophrenic. He was talking about what you just said: that he was praised one day by TEA partiers, then condemned the next by others. He was answering an interview question and brushing off the suggestion that he worries about what people say about him.
Anonymous
Or maybe it’s the other way around. Maybe Allen West is schizophrenic. I see no indication that the Tea Party, of all political groups, is schizo. And I wouldn’t take one person’s word for it unless that Person walked on water and I could examine the water immediately afterward.

Anonymous
“And never forget: Allen West does not live in the district he ran in. He actually lives in Debbie Wasserman Shultz’s district. That’s unforgivable in my book.
Truth be told, NONE of them actually live in the district they run in/represent. Most members of Congress live in Washington, DC and the visits “back home” are for political purposes.
Technology being what it is today, more members of Congress should be required to live in their districts where they can be accessible to the people they represent. Bet things would change when the people you answer to can walk up and ring your doorbell.
Oh, and I also think that anyone who holds office, whether its in Congress or as a Governor, and wants to run for *another* office should have to resign their current position first. I don’t believe for a second that someone who is campaigning for a different office can effectively represent a state/district or govern a state. The office they were elected to is their *JOB* and they have a responsibility to do the job they were elected to do, not run another campaign.
In 2008, that would have eliminated EVERY candidate running for President/VP.

Anonymous
Great idea! Vote by skype! With technology, why the need to waste taxpayers money?

Anonymous
Check all the polls on Fox News…they still have him ahead.

Anonymous
It’s be great if it held. Simply for being the #1 target of the cabal has destroyed our Nation, he gets my vote.
Anonymous
I usually look at the RCP poll, since it averages multiple polls. There, he’s in 3rd and falling. Not that this alone means he’s toast, of course.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

mike morrison
I only follow the polls that identify republican voters who have said they’ll vote in the primaries…everything else is bunk and doesn’t matter one bit.

Anonymous
Romney or Gingrich – what a dismal landscape for liberty in America.
If Cain bails, and Paul fades all my money and work goes to Bachmann. I will not give either of those guys a dime.
West maybe the only person other than Palin who could possibly hold the line against a political elite insider like Gingrich. I have always said we are facing at least 16 years of ugly nasty fighting to take back the Republic. The second 8 years with West in command is the only bright spot I see in this scenario.

Anonymous
Here’s my dream scenario:
Sarah Palin waits till the Republican primary is over, the various state caucuses and Republican parties beg her to enter the race. She decides to run, but not as an ‘R’ (and not as a third party) but as an independent; fully articulating a platform of traditional conservatism. She will crush whoever the republicans pick in the end (probably Romney or Newt), then she picks a VP running-mate (West) and forms a cabinet before the election.
It’s not just enough to take back the Senate and retain the house. There must be a check on the power of congress (since we can’t elect congressional leadership at the ballot box)
If the President is not ‘technically’ a Republican, she can operate as an effective check on congressional leaders. If, however, she is a Republican, the corrupt leadership will just railroad the same old legislation through with ‘party pressure’.
And THAT is why I hope ‘somebody’ runs as an independent!

Anonymous
It would take but a feather to move me off an elephant pick of Romney or Gingrich over to an independent Palin.
As you say, she would get the true constitutional conservative vote and I suspect she would get the democratic white working class vote which Hussein has all but lost. She also would know how to integrate Ron Paul.
So long as we are dreamin’ here…
Rasmussen poll today: 45% Gingrich, 43% Hussein, 6% SOC, 6% Undecided
If Palin pulls 16 from Gingrich, 14 from Hussein and they all get 2 each from SOC and Undecided…..
33% Gingrich, 33% Hussein, 34% Palin
The electoral college process would short circuit into a puff of smoke..

Anonymous
Oh…goodie, I like the way you think! Especially the part about the working democrats voting for Palin.
I know quite a few folks that would never be caught dead voting for a Republican. An independent? Now that’s a different story. But it will be quite a lot of work for the grassroots.
It takes lots of signatures to get on the ballot as an independent without a party nomination.
At this point I’m up for that challenge. (And I did notice that she made strong commendations of Ron Paul’s views on the fed and monetary policy before one of the last 3 debates.) This pleased me greatly.
Anonymous
I like your scenario.

Anonymous
When was it established that it was an “affair”? I must have missed that.
http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada
Col. West, I still love you but I so disagree with you on this one.

Anonymous
Let’s hope what we see is a tactical West engaged in a strategic play. The things a free people have left to hang our hopes on are growing thin.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones
Hey! I really like your new picture!

http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada
Thanks Brian~ merry Christmas!

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones
To you too buddy! The only gift I want is to pass my physical (I was disabled from my time in Active Duty) so I can join the Air Force Reserve!!! Should be taking it sometime this week or next, so wish me luck!

http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada
I don’t do luck Brian- but I’ll be praying for you! Thank you for your service!!

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones
I kinda figured, but I always thought it was kinda tacky to ask people to pray for you. Probably a pride thing, I don’t know! Anywho, I really appreciate it! Thank you!

http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada
Just let me know when you pass it!

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones
Oh, I will!!! It’s been a year in the making, and I’m REALLY anxious to get back out “there”! But I’m also going to school now, so I can’t do Active Duty. I guess this is the best of both worlds! Thanks for the support!
http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada
Wow. You have been busy! Excellent. You’ll do GREAT!

http://profiles.google.com/ajtelles Art Telles
West said – “distractor”…
… Mr. Cain
“Beyond reassessing his campaign … needs to understand that he is a distracter for what’s going on right now and we should move on,”
It looks like Rep. West used the “assessing” word BEFORE Mr. Cain sent his email to his supporters saying that he would NOT be ‘deterred” from his vision.
So, it looks like there’s no there, there in Rep. West’s comment.
Art
Anonymous
It really is unfair what’s happened to Cain. These false attacks against Cain should not be allowed to bear weight against him! It pisses me off (excuse my french)!

http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada
I agree C. and your french sounds about right to me

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_G2MUWG3PGLJZSHZMCVLP2XLF2I J
Herman Cain is a good guy… unfortunately for him, he would lose in a race against Obama— the Republican party and the USA does not need a repeated 2008 Election that led to Obi being president
Check out this Obama video of him in Compton

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1495163355 Glenn Jaffas
There is another theory out there that Herman Cain is the only conservative candidate we have who, against Obama, would win in a landslide.
He can conceivably take a ton of votes from people who will vote for Obama regardless simply because he is black. When Cain points out that Obama is in fact half white, Cain would be the first true black president.
Combined with the fact that he can do the job very well in the eyes of the conservative, he could conceivably win in the biggest landslide in US history.
Personally, I believe the left is aware of this and that is why they are so ruthless in their assaults on him.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones
Cain had BETTER NOT point out Obama is half-white, because he will INSTANTLY lose my vote forever. I’m DONE with the racial games, and any candidate who even entertains the THOUGHT of responding to a “Race-Card question”, or plays it himself, should NOT be the one to represent us. Otherwise they are acknowledging race makes some kind of difference, and outside of the home town/culture, it truly does not.

Anonymous
No WAY Cain would do that. He doesn’t play those games, not even when it would be in his favor.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones
I don’t think he would either! But it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been let down, so I just wanted to let him know!

Anonymous
West has been eaten by the RINO establishment. He needs to focus on the problems facing us now which he seems to have problems with voting for Pigford, voting for Debt ceiling being raised, voting for BBA with NO Spending Caps.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3BZAKDF5W2SMOSOKIMVSIEHB7U Brian Drolet
If, as Col. West asserts, we are down to a choice between two big government ‘conservatives’ like Romney and Gingrich, then there will be no choice for those who actually support a smaller government.
Anonymous
West, love you as I do, I would rather you mind your business on this occasion. You do not have to be the paragon of truth concerning all matters. Just stay out of this.
Now, If only he could hear me.
http://twitter.com/ckwebnow Casey Kelley
Hmm…Col. West has said he was open to a VP slot…has he been NEWTered? Shame on you, Allen West! Of all people, you should know how black conservatives are mercilessly attacked and caricatured by the left and its lapdog media. Shame on you.
Maxsteele
West is right, now that this newest issue has come up and the woman has provided her phone records with all the phone calls from Cain at all hours of the day and night. I am disgusted and he needs to fade into the background because the only way the republicans can win is if they win on the issues. Letting the media focus on these issues just tarnishes the chances of getting Obama out–which needs to happen!

Anonymous
You’re a bit off…it doesn’t show that the messages were “From” Cain or “To” Cain…for all we know, she could have been texting him
joel Fiser
Pressed the “Like” button by mistake. “Unlike!”
Screw the phone records. Who Herman Cain calls or texts is nobody’s business.
You’re “disgusted”? You certainly have a low threshold of disgust. Get some perspective and stop kowtowing to the enemy…

Maxsteele
Really? Every single time one of these women comes out Cains first response is, “I never met this woman in my life.” then after the allegations come out then it is “Well, yes I know here but I deny I did anything wrong.” He said the same thing with regards to this latest woman. Never knew her, never met her, now after she comes forward with phone records it’s another story. Now the defense is what people do behind closed doors, in their bedroom is their own business? At the very least, he is a liar. A liar who has claimed he is honest and up front with every thing.
I was a huge Cain supporter and you can read any of my past posts to see that is true. I completely, hate Obama, I think Obama may be the closest thing to evil we have had as a leader in the modern western world since WWII. Yet, it is not I who is cowtowing to the enemy. You blind sycophants who defend the indefensible are nothing better then the blind sheep who voted for Obama. It is actually you who are cowtowing to the enemy by continueing to support Cain’s bid. By supporting him now that this obvious lie has come forward you are disgracing the higher ground we all claimed we had over the democrats who try to sweep every illegal act done by their politicians under the rug. You are being no better.
The problem is that Newt is no better, he is actually worse. With all the lies he has told, the number of extra marital affairs and how many times has he been married?
I agree with Beck when he says it seems Santorum and Bachman seem to be the only honorable candidates out there but they have the lowest support in the field. Can you imagine of Cain or Newt got the nomination? The democratic machine would chew them up and spit them out and make the presidential campain about ethical misdeeds rather then the true issues of economy, war against terrorist nations, taxation and illegal immigration.

http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada
Cain never denied knowing this woman. He said she was a friend.

Maxsteele
Seriously, are we splitting hairs and arguing semantics here? How about we move on with the real issues effecting America and by proxy the rest of the world? The world is going to hell in a handbasket because Obama has relinquished America’s role as the leader of the free world. He has destroyed the economy, he has done nothing to protect borders, he has given Iran free reign to develop nuclear capability while being an obstacle to Israel, has declared war on American businesses and middle class. But here we are arguing amongst ourselves if Cain knew the woman he made phone calls to at all hours of night and day for years? The truth is only known by the two of them and the almighty so let’s focus on some squeeky clean republican politicians like Santorum and Bachmann because, right now, that’s the best we got.

Anonymous
Check any business exec’s phone records and you’ll find calls “at all hours of the day or night”. What was said?
You can’t take every new accusation at face value. Investigate it or ignore it, because the Left is the world’s biggest Liar’s Club.
Don’t expect the media to do anything BUT focus on this sort of stuff. They’re all liberal, and they’re all out to destroy even republican candidates. If such an issue doesn’t bother you, or if you’re satisfied that there is no wrongdoing, then ignore the slander and libel from the Left.

http://twitter.com/edenjac edenjac
Herman Cain is a distracter? Wasn’t he on top of the polls quite recently. This just reminds me so much of how people talked about Sarah Palin. Not cool coming from Allen West since he had to go thru a tough election here in Florida a couple of years ago.
Anonymous
Et tu, Brute???
Ok, where are these body-snatchers hiding and reproducing? They are virulent as hell! Are there any known antibiotics that can touch them? Do they spring from underground DC somewhere or are they just constantly swirling through the air like TB?
*Cough* (bullshirt!) *Cough*
After you West. You lead the retreat ok? You bow out first.
Jackass.

http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada
Welcome to Joe’s twilight zone… do do do do..

Anonymous
“Sthufferin’ Sthuccotash!”
Know what I mean?

http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones
Oh my God yes!!!!! That was funny!

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones
Many people forget when Allen West said he was “considering” dropping out of the CBC after the things they said about White people in the Tea Party wanting to see blacks “hanging in a tree” (among other fine quotes). Only “considering”, even AFTER they were on tape and REAFFIRMED their position again later! I think I was one of the FEW people that were upset that he hadn’t ALREADY resigned by the time I found out about it!
Well…He’s still a member of the CBC: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2011/09/allen-west-staying-with-the-congressional-black-caucus.html.
I’d NEVER vote for him, and I really WANTED him to run before all this. Now I PRAY he doesn’t, because even when the FACTS are in, he STILL isn’t doing the right thing, when I believe it’s relatively EASY to do so.

Anonymous
I have a feeling some of his supporters will commence swattin’ his high-falootin’ fannie over this with a hefty bag o’ switches. Eech, ooch, ouch!
notice I didn’t say uppity, cuz that wooooood be wacist.

Anonymous
I always suspected West did not like Cain. That much was apparent from his interviews. But I don’t understand why the animosity. I don’t want to bring up any racial issues, but one has to wonder.

Anonymous
West is a real TEA party conservative. Cain came in and waved the TEA party flag. If these allegations are true, then he knew he had that baggage when he started his campaign. I’ll wait to pass judgement on Cain, but if the allegations are true, then he wasted all of our time by not declaring these skeletons when the campaign started.
It’s about being authentic. Gingerich has been very forthright about his moral shortcomings and has to make his case to the electorate how he has changed and why we should trust him now.
If the allegations against Cain turn out to be confirmed as true, I will be very upset.

Anonymous
Everything you say is very true, but I sensed in West an animosity toward Cain months ago, even before the very first allegation came forward. I don’t think it stems from the sexual misconduct allegations. I think there is something else there, I just can’t put my finger on it. It would be easy to say that there is some racial aspect to it, but I don’t think that’s it. I think West is above that, but I do sense some deep seeded animosity for some reason, and I can’t figure out what it is. Of course it’s only subtly visible, but remember, West is very diplomatic, so if he lets even a little of it show, you know there’s something more there.

Anonymous
It may have something to do with the Floridian conservative culture. Many Floridians tend to be very conservative at the core, but don’t like to show it. They’re what you can call ‘self denying conservatives’. This leads them to be repulsed by anything too overtly right wing. They hold conservative values in their hearts, but they like to present themselves as sympathetic, reasonable moderates. Therefore, they are repulsed with any conservative that represents their core values in too crude a manner.
Is my assessment somewhat correct? Any Floridians in the crowd would like to comment?

Anonymous
I definitely have gotten that vibe that West doesn’t like him too. From what I’ve gotten out of several interviews, he believes the only way to being President should be working up the political ladder. That would certainly explain why he doesn’t like a political outsider.

Anonymous
That may be it. West is a military man, above all, and in the military, trying to jump ranks is one of the worst things you can do.

Anonymous
Haven’t lived in Florida for many years however, it’s almost as if he pictures himself as THE conservative black man (even though there are many others) and doesn’t want anyone else to occupy the place, that he might believe, is all his. I have purposefully included a couple of qualifiers in this post until West explains what happened to his foot and mouth here.
It’s like Cain, no, no, no, no! That spot is mine, mine, mine, mine!
Play nice West. Your time may yet come. As a great orator, Demosthenes reportedly loaded his mouth with pebbles and gave brilliant speeches out unto the open sea from the shore.
So, try Fruity Pebbles sir…the foot isn’t working so well and isn’t part of a balanced breakfast, lunch or dinner.

http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada
mmm. fruity pebbles. I haven’t eaten all day and even those sound good to me about now. I do prefer Cap’t Crunch though

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones
It’s all about the Lucky Charms!

Anonymous
If I were “the most interesting man in the world” (which I ain’t, cuz there’s one other guy ahead of me…rimshot!)
I would have to do a commerical for Total cereal…ahem…I don’t always eat cereal, but when I do, I choose Total. It has 100% of the daily requirements of essential vitamins and minerals, and taste extra good with banana slices in it. Stay hungry my friends
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1396855720 Brian Jones
“Mikey likes it”! Oh wait…that was “Life” cereal. Nevermind! LMAO!
http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada
mmmmm. Lucky charms- l like clovers.

Anonymous
Floridian commenting. HUH?
GB
http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada
I don’t know if I count Joel- but I’d never hide my “extreme” right wing views. I’m used to being made fun of and insulted for my beliefs, so adding right wing conservative to it doesn’t bother me much. I can’t stand moderates- they roll over for whomever is holding the treats, and don’t stick much to any convictions they might claim to have.

Anonymous
Hear hear!

http://twitter.com/edenjac edenjac
it’s condescension.
Anonymous
That would be very interesting to find out if that is the case.

http://fishygov.wordpress.com FishyGov
I’m detecting a pattern of behavior with regard to Colonel West and other politicians of our day — most notably Obama.
The politician of today seems to be lacking in the “opinion never expressed” category.
Although Rep. West’s opinions have never raisin to Obama’s level of comments on Professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. — who was arrested by city cops and drew the angry comments of “acted stupidly” and culminated in Obama’s blanket indictment of U.S. law enforcement as suffering from systemic racism — he does seem to be showing signs of amorous behavior of self image or a love of his own voice.
I could be wrong, as I frequently am, but haven’t we all seen this behavior before?
The thing about offering your/my/our opinions is that the value of those opinions are determined by their relevance and the frequency we offer them.
Unless, of course, you are Confucius.
Anonymous
Oh boy! What a choice:( Flip Flop Romney or One World Gingrich. And then the awful thought that hussein might slither back in. It is just too much for my stomach to handle! To cite an old Judd song,”Grandpa,tell me ’bout the Good Old Days” will be the mantra here on in.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WVUHZKSQJ4WMHDGZYTFIKICHKI E. Lee
And Allen West needs to shut his trap. Stop eating Republicans for breakfast. It certainly ain’t patriotic.

Anonymous
They that eat their own will,in time,surely cause their own demise.

Anonymous
I wish West was running instead of Cain. Not that I don’t like Cain, but West would be a better candidate.
http://twitter.com/Winston80 Winston
Agreed
Anonymous
If Cain leaves the race it shouldn’t be because Beck or West advise him to but because Cain feels it’s God’s will for him and his family!
addendum: Wow, did I really use 5 conjunctions in that sentence -sheesh!

http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada
lol

Anonymous
West on a ticket? That gets my vote.

Anonymous
So you have no problem with him voting for Pigford, debt ceiling hike, and BBA w/o a spending cap? You think those votes haven’t pushed us to the brink…I used to think he was Presidential material but his actions don’t come close to small government which is what the TEA PARTY stands for. Perhaps Allen should consult Louie Gohmert (R-Tx), he’s one of the few who not only tells it like it is but votes that way too.

Anonymous
He’s totally backed down on the Pigford vote, publicly apologizing and taking his lumps like a man. The debt ceiling thing was a mess with no clear way forward. Reasonable people on both sides had serious disagreement. I’m not familiar, I’ll admit, with the BBA vote.
I’ve given up on finding perfect ideologues. I think he’s a solid, upstanding man and a true Patriot. So, yeah. I’ll stick with him for now, but I’m not a blind follower, nor do I need to put my faith in a politician as a savior. We get the best we can.

Anonymous
This is for you Mr. and Mrs. Herman Cain. Don’t give up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyPkUXGq1S0&feature=player_embedded

Anonymous
Poignant !!!
Extremely good clip. Love it!
YES!
Anonymous
Thank you NMKL.
That is a reminder we all can use from time to time.
Thank you.
GB
http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada
Thank you for that nomore. THAT was incredible!!!!!!!
Anonymous
The power of faith. Good reference clip

Anonymous
I’d vote for Cain, even if any of the “allegations” were true, since none of them have any relevance to doing the job of president. If you support objective rule of law, limited government, and individual rights, then you’ll make an excellent president. That’s all there is to it.
http://twitter.com/Jeanne_57 Jeanne
Allen West needs to mind his own business and worry about his own campaign. The way he’s been acting lately, I think he’s been drinking the water in Washington and could have a difficult time maintaining the Tea Party vote in his re-election in 2012! Cain will come out stronger then ever because his supporters are loyal and this race is far from over!

Anonymous
With his recent votes and now this, I think I am with you Jeanne. Boehner must make some powerful koolaid! I myself am a recovering koolaidholic, so I know that it can be some pretty powerful stuff! ;-p

http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada
Welcome to the tea drinkers club

Anonymous
Hey Col. West….maybe this is how you should speak UP for Mr. Cain rather than speak out against Mr. Cain. Ms. Alveda King says it all!
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/collection/THIRD_CAIN_ACCUSER&hpt=hp_t2#/video/bestoftv/2011/11/29/exp-erin-cain-campaign-will-march-on.cnn

Anonymous
Wow! You are on a video clip roll to day, NMKA4M. (I know I abbreviated your acronym earlier.)
Keep ‘em coming.
GB

Anonymous
YRVW GB!

Anonymous
Thanks for the clip, it was great. Perhaps Ms. Alveda King should have a discussion with Glenn Beck!

Doc Clear
To the people saying Herman Cain wasn’t tea party until it fit him… you are grossly wrong. Cain has been speaking and going to tea parties since they started. He’s as much a tea partier as West. I loved West but he does seem to have gone soft in DC.
deo heerai
If anyone reads my posts you will see i an a strong cain supporter but Col West is correct
Cain either has to go after these “accusers” with ALL GUNS BLAZING as any one of us who are falsly accused would,
or get to hell out the race!
I am tired of defending him, time for him to DEFEND HIMSELF either call these people LIARS to their faces or just go away
http://twitter.com/DannyFromWI DJ DeMent
Y’know, Col. West… coming from someone who went through the exact same kind of smearing of a Black Conservative… you really, REALLY ought to be ashamed of yourself for this.

http://twitter.com/DannyFromWI DJ DeMent
Clarification: That is to say, West went through this exact same crap during his Congressional run. And now because someone else gets it he wants us to abandon him. I call BS.

Anonymous
this man is another joke . If Mr Cain left the race ge start again his campaing for VP .Why? he want to the GOP believe to they need a black in the ticket for win against Obama (race card).But Im sorry Mr west , we need a conservative ticket , no a RYNO ticket for win the race .
Anonymous
I like Cain and it is extremely hypocritical for people to pass judgement on Cain when Gingrich gets excused for his several wives, multiple mistresses and adulterous affairs as well as ethics violations. Oh but Gingrich said he was sorry…golly gee,I wonder if that is because he was running for president and had to pander for those evangelical votes.
Again Cain was never my first choice but if the GOP and pundits aren’t passing judgement on Gingrich then they shouldn’t past judgement on Cain.
Anonymous
i guess now west is not conservative because he dared to state the obvious about cain
Anonymous
I’ve given some thought as to what would be the one primary qualification for any candidate seeking the White House. Our history shows us that the greatest of our presidents shared one set of principles, and held them in esteem above all others; Honor and Truth.
Are there candidates for president in either party, announced or unannounced, man or woman who meets that criteria? Have we finally run out of George Washingtons ?
Anonymous
“Speaker Gingrich is the next in line for conservatives who are looking for someone who is not Mitt Romney,” [West] said. “But he does have that 200-pound rucksack on his back with a lot of the personal baggage that people are going to come at him about.”
OK, Representative West, when the lib media begins to take Newt apart (if they can) over HIS baggage, are you going to tell us to vote for Romney? Unless the lib media starts ripping him up, too? Maybe we voters should all understand that we’re all just distractors and just elect obama again so – who? – won’t be distracted.
Politics would be so much simpler if there weren’t all these distractions, like elections and campaigns. Maybe the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces should just appoint the next president.
Uh… oh, right, I forgot…
I have a great deal of respect for Congressman West, but it’s decreasing. Cain is not by any means my first choice, but unless West has definite knowledge that Cain is guilty of this latest accusation, West should just turn off his TV, forget about the repub nominee race, and go back to his own job. Then he won’t be distracted.
Leave it to the rest of us, Congressman West. We’re accustomed to being distracted. You’re accustomed to being focused on your mission, which right now is being a Florida Congressman.
Anonymous
Oh, no. Gingrich has coopted Rubio and West. Yuk.
mike morrison
I love West, but this disappoints me greatly. All I’m going to say for now.
Dodoforever Canspell
Allen West occupies #Reality, unlike the fans of Herman Cain.
Anonymous
C’mon Mr. West. Put down that glass of RINO kool aide & pick up a glass of solidarity and independant thinking!

Anonymous
A glass of solidarity and independent thinking? lol….the irony! I don’t think he qualifies as a Rhino just yet.

Anonymous
I don’t know redd, he sure seems to be voting with Boehner….

Anonymous
Yes he has…selectively. No doubt there has been a few disappointing moments, but like I said I’m not ready to throw him under the bus. I still have great hope for the guy though if it gets bad he’s done. I just don’t get super attached to any particular person like many do here. Any one of them tends to disappoint more often than not.

Anonymous
I understand why some of you get so angry about the allegations against Herman Cain, however, I the fact is we don’t know for sure. Basically I just have to tune all of it out until we know for sure and unfortunately we likely won’t ever find out. I can’t take it when many of you go absolutely insane over things of which we do not know; whether it’s Herman Cain, Sarah Palin (I know she’s not running, but people still are I think overly crazy about her), Michelle Bachmann, or Ron Paul. CHILL OUT..this is what the primary is about. It may not be fair, but we all know the media isn’t changing for the better anytime soon. BTW for the record I’m depressed about the whole field of candidates.
Steven
Update Tweet from Allen West:
I am not telling Cain to step down. That’s his decision. But lets stop talking about “alleged incidents” & start talking about real issues!

Anonymous
Ok Col. Let’s. I’ll go along with that…Let’s circle the wagons instead of the firing squad.
http://twitter.com/edenjac edenjac
I’m not sure why is he blaming Mr. Cain about not talking issues, does he really think Mr. Cain wants to talk sexual harrassment? Did he not go thru an election with much of the same character attacks here in Florida? Come on who is he kidding, he is condescending towards HC for a while now. Big surprise here to me, I didn’t expect this from Allen West, he is now a hypocrite.
I guess he heard from some twits something similar to the posts here that the had to reply some excuse. wow I’m sad about this : ( The only persons talking reason lately and consistently is Rush & Mark. Everybody else is playing the same old game as always.

Anonymous
I am very disappointed in West. Why should Cain back down from liars and bullies?
Anonymous
Levin has made a big deal about how the 2010 Election’s “freshman” class of legislators was co-opted rather quickly by Boehner and the boys. West was someone who seemed more independent, initially. But some things have seemed a bit “off” with his votes and some position statements he’s made.
West delivers magnificent speeches, but several times in interviews when asked pointed questions, he’s fumbled the ball toward the statist team.
We all need to tolerate a few of these (even DeMint has made similar boneheaded moves–supporting some deal he’s made privately, I’m sure, just in the past year). But if it gets to be a pattern, then that’s a problem. And West is going to be fought hard in 2012, with tons of national money going to his opponent.
Also, these legislators need to remember that whoever they slam today might be POTUS in 2013. …and they all have long memories.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeremy-Poncy/1339730989 Jeremy Poncy
West sold his soul and bought himself a nice new VP position.

http://www.crosssworksme.com GiantM
EXACTLY!

http://twitter.com/Super_Sachiko Jasmine Clark
lol now i like west even more!! XD yeah it’s time for cain to go. west is right.
now this is the tricky part for me: my dream ticket has always been palin/west. so i’ve always wanted west to be vp. but there are two problems:
1. i like west but i’m not so sure how much i like gingrich. (although i like gingrich better than romney)
2. i’m glad west has left the door open to a VP run, but the way he said “if I’m what the american people want, what they ask for, i’ll answer the call” for a vp candidate, that is similar to what palin said and she didn’t run. so i have low expectations. =(
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puma_for_life
I have grown to dislike West.
Anonymous
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Anonymous
Bullsnort. West is rightly catching flack for his unworthy attack on Cain, and now he’s trying to cover it up with a “misquoted” claim.
If West didn’t understand the tone of his remarks, he’s not as smart as I thought.
If he thought he was doing anyone any good with his remarks, he’s not as smart as I thought.
If my suspicion is correct and he’s just lying to cover his rear, he’s not as much of a man as I thought.

UPDATED: West CLARIFIES – Allen West: Herman Cain needs to get out of the race

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