The Right Scoop- orthodoxyordeath
He said the hours ago. Paul Ryan is going for it too. We’re just gonna have to see what happens.
- http://twitter.com/ThomasPaine_Fan tea-partier
Paul Ryan also voted for TARP, the auto bailout, No Child Left Behind, and most of the big government proposals supported by Republican Leadership. No surprise here.
- http://twitter.com/doorsxp Doors Xp
cave
- http://twitter.com/doorsxp Doors Xp
cave…pathetic
- Anonymous
This Joint Congressional Committee , who exactly are the members of that thing ? SIR
- http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/MVKB24PATKM3BXCRTLD62FUKK4 Richard
Pathetic,another “YES SIR !” from Allen West,three strikes you’re out
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504624590 Chris G.
I’m losing respect for Rep. West. Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry quickly!
But then again, if he gets primaried next year, the Dems would probably throw the race card at them, so we can’t win regardless.
- Dave Swenson
Then you toss away any respect you have for yourself.
- http://www.facebook.com/tncdel Tnc Del
Are you also unable to fathom how chess games are played, thinking several moves ahead? Surely you don’t think West is satisfied to leave things where they are. He made it clear that the only reason why he went along with Boehner’s proposal was that it afforded opportunities in succeeding moves to obtain what we ultimately want.
- Anonymous
disappointing…
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-D-Dunyan/1373345422 Michael D Dunyan
very, very
- http://www.facebook.com/kingofthehokies Jim Land
I might be a libertarian mostly, but I don’t mind this. Repubs only control 1/3 of the government and still have a huge say about what is going on. This mess took a long time to build and it aint going away with one vote, and it aint going away with Obama in the white house and dems controlling the senate. Get what we can now, and really get down to business after the next election.
- Anonymous
You’re assuming that the Republicans will win the Seante and Presidency. We call that in Sports, “underestimating your oponent.” This was a disappointing bill!
- Anonymous
What did we get? Remember it is not the size of the pencil it is all about the person writing. Please do not discount the power we had. It was tremendous and we just had a few defectors like west. Go west young man, go west. He is done in my book. His word is not his bond. It does not take long to see the inside of a man when the pressure is on. He folded. He let the nation down, he agreed to let the military take a hit. I am so disappointed. The only person that can take the heat and fight back is Sarah Palin. She is tough as nails and please do not give me any liberal talking points to dispute this.
- KenInMontana
Actually he is FL22′s problem, so don’t send him or anyone else voting for this out west.
- http://www.facebook.com/tncdel Tnc Del
If only our whole nation could have such a “problem” in the White House, our nation would be blessed.
Allen West only creates problems for those who create problems.
- Constance
Don’t forget Michelle Bachmann – she has been absolutely steadfast on this issue from day one and very vocal about it. And she is actually running for President right now.
- B-Funk
I have to agree with you. These guys must see an opportunity to lay this at the feet of the true culprits. I’m still hopeful.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504624590 Chris G.
It doesn’t matter that the GOP controls only the House. Of all branches of the fedgov, THAT is the most important thing for a political Party that SAYS it believes in fiscal sanity to be in control of.
I say this ‘cuz the Constitution requires that ALL spending bills originate in the House. Therefore, if the House doesn’t bring up a certain spending bill, there is nothing that the Senate nor the POTUS can do about it — the $ won’t be allocated, so the program will wither on the vine until the next Congress takes over.
IF the House GOP had any guts or principle, they could end ALL unconstitutional federal spending & programs w/ the snap of a finger…by simply NOT bringing it up to be voted on! It’s very simple.
- Anonymous
Jim you’re exactly right. West knows the tactics of war on the battlefield as well as in congress. This was an important battle, but conservative Republicans need more ‘troops’ in 2012 before they can gain significant ground and turn things around. West knows that you have to be patient and gain as much ground as is possible when the other side controls 2/3 of the government. He knows that the big victory will come in time. You can’t change Washington overnight.
Standing on principles is great and the Tea Party should feel good that they have changed the focus in Washington to the degree that they have. However, who would have won this battle if everyone had stood so rigidly firm for that unattainable goal of 100% of their ideals and won nothing in the end? The progressives would have added taxes and raised the debt ceiling with no spending cuts at all; and continued on with business as usual in Washington. Our country’s economy would be in even worse shape than it is now and that much closer to default.
During this process, Obama and the Dems showed their true stripes to the American people. No plans to cut spending,increase taxes and tax again for good measure, would not even consider a balanced budget and the Republicans showed their plan of a balanced budget, cut spending, no new taxes, much closer to what Americans want to see happen.
It really does no one from the Tea Party any good to turn on someone who is working very hard to change things in DC. He is a good principled man who is straightforward with the American people and not afraid to call out Obama and the Democrats, or the Republicans for that matter. He is not a sellout or a defector.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion on West’s stance on this, but take a step back and don’t be so quick to pull the trigger to take him out. If the person they pick for a replacement candidate isn’t as strong as West is, then the Dems could very well take back the seat they lost in 2010 in the liberal majority district he is from. Is that progress? Do you think people like Allen West grow on trees easy for the picking? They do not. They come along very infrequently.
- Anonymous
This is the final nail in the coffin for America. It’s over.
- Anonymous
Hypothetical :
What if the conservatives in House and Senate DO NOT vote for this bill ?
Let the Rs and Ds vote yes , whats the worse that will happen ? - Anonymous
Now no doubt This man is a RYNO
- Anonymous
I’m not going that far yet. I still respect West and think he is a good man, but like I said before I’ve got my eye on him.
- Anonymous
DONT WASTE YOUR TIME
- http://www.facebook.com/tncdel Tnc Del
Who? Surely not West. Just because you’re unable to think several moves ahead, like how a game of chess is played, that doesn’t mean West can’t. For he surely won’t be satisfied until he gets what he wants.
- http://www.facebook.com/tncdel Tnc Del
Who? Surely not West. Just because you’re unable to think several moves ahead, like how a game of chess is played, that doesn’t mean West can’t. For he surely won’t be satisfied until he gets what he wants.
- Anonymous
This is more than a chess game . this a FUTURE OF THIS NATION .LET ME TEACHING SOMETHING ABOUT CHESS .YOU HAVE TO FALLOW THE PREVIOUS MOVE TO TRIED TO KNOW THE FUTURE MOVED.IN THIS MAN CASE (WEST) HES PREVIOUS MOVES (VOTES)TELL ME TO HIS LIKE EXPENCE LIKE OBAMA.AND BECAUSE WE TALK LIKE CHESS GAME , I HAVE TO TELL YOU CHESSMATE.
- Anonymous
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1. Try proofreading your posts first before you push the button.
2. Not doing so makes you look dumb.
3. Lay off of the caps a bit more.Strong words are not such because of upper or lower case letters, but because of their meaning. This post of yours has a typo in nearly every sentence. Your other posts rely heavily on caps as well. I proofread this post in reply to you, and I believe it is perfect. Now, and only now, will I hit the button to post it. Voila! What do you think?
- Anonymous
I’M SORRY FOR HURTS YOUR FELLING , BUT THIS MAN IS A FIASCO
- Anonymous
Hmmm, Ok. Nevermind.
To each his own. Do your thing.
- Anonymous
Mr West, you’re breaking my heart.
- http://www.facebook.com/tncdel Tnc Del
You need to acquaint yourself better with Allen West, and how the game of chess is played, to understand that West is thinking several moves ahead, by going along with Boehner’s proposal now, in order to open up windows of opportunity thereafter to get exactly what we want. Don’t underestimate the guy. He’s FOR REAL Conservative. Not a fake like Rick Perry, Herman Cain, Chris Christie and many others.
- Anonymous
He’s pragmatic, not a RINO. I’ll still support him until the day he sits on BO’s lap and calls him his long lost mama….This man’s service, imo, warrants a whole lot of slack.
- Anonymous
Sounds like the excuses we make for McLame…. He was a hero…and he was, but that does not give him the credentials to destroy our nation. What the hell is wrong with these military men.. What country did they serve? P.S. I am a Vietnam Vet. Served with pride.
- Anonymous
Thank you for your service to our nation, REHVL.
LTC. West hasn’t been in congress long enough, imo, to make a final judgement that he is a RINO.
I continue to cut him slack as I still believe he has our nation’s best interests at heart. He doesn’t put up with the bull, but he knows how to win. I’ll give him some more time. - Constance
No, his military service does not warrant any slack. Two different things. A man is either conservative, or he is not. There aren’t any gray areas there.
- Anonymous
Right, and imo he is a conservative.
- Anonymous
Right, and imo he is a conservative.
- http://www.facebook.com/tncdel Tnc Del
And West is true-blue Conservative.
- Anonymous
Saw that coming
- Anonymous
West is wrong. He thinks we have more time than we have to get our finances in order. He’s content with baby steps….and he seems to have plenty of company, doesn’t he?
- http://www.facebook.com/tncdel Tnc Del
If you think West will allow it to stay like that very long, then you’re unfamiliar with him.
- Steven
So this was a good deal in giving Obama a 2 year extension in the debt limit? The largest increase in the debt limit in U.S. history in return for unenforceable cuts? And according to West there are already tax hikes, accepted in this framework and this was not even negotiated? What? And he’s voting for this and worst, giving the GOP cover from the Tea Party Movement? Is this what we thought we would get from Allen West sending him to Congress?
The only good thing I see in this bill is that it will lead to a downgrade in the U.S. credit rating and that hopefully will force Congress to pass a balanced budget amendment. If not, then it will almost certainly mean the end of the Obama presidency. But everyone knows Boehner didn’t fight for #cutcapbalance and for these guys to declare victory, it just doesn’t cut it. It smacks more of a moral victory than any real tangible victory.
We just need better leadership in the GOP and we expected that from Allen West. Apparently, we will have to wait and hope that such strong leadership comes out of the GOP presidential field, because its lacking in the leadership in Congress we have today.
- Anonymous
The deal calls for cuts of 1 trillion over 10 years ? That’s funny . And Boehner said that the Repubs got 98 % of what they wanted ? Now that’s funnier . Americans are suckers !
- KenInMontana
We are so screwed. Time for the fat lady to sing, someone call Sheila Jackson Lee tell she’s on.
- Anonymous
seems like she is ALWAYS on….and singing the same song. Pukey.
- Elimore Foad
Sad.
- Elimore Foad
Sad.
- Michael Friesen
Disappointing.
- Anonymous
Wow. He just admitted he voted for $3 Trillion in tax hikes.
Didn’t he just admit that in the interview?
- Anonymous
Wow. He just admitted he voted for $3 Trillion in tax hikes.
Didn’t he just admit that in the interview?
- Anonymous
Well this just blew my mind. Now what!
Talk about taking the air out of my sails! :’(
- http://twitter.com/MaroonRepublic Maroon Republic
Let this add fuel to the fire. We need to go after more seats in the house and get new leadership. We get a majority in the senate and new leadership there and we vote obama out. Then maybe we can undo “fundamental change in America”
- http://twitter.com/MaroonRepublic Maroon Republic
Let this add fuel to the fire. We need to go after more seats in the house and get new leadership. We get a majority in the senate and new leadership there and we vote obama out. Then maybe we can undo “fundamental change in America”
- Anonymous
Sorry, the Colonel is DEAD WRONG on this issue….our system is garbage and we need to start initiating civil disobedience.
The feds don’t cut money? We won’t pay taxes.
- Constance
Allen West – elected because of Tea Party support. Remember that next time around, folks. I always liked him… until now. Still like him personally, but he gets no more of my support going forward. A true conservative could not have voted for this legislation, much less supported it publicly more than once. I know it isn’t nice to hear this, but the guy isn’t what he told us he was. He couldn’t be.
- DCGere
Mr. West, you just lost my vote of confidence in you…
- Anonymous
… no additional taxes on top of the ones that are in the bill. What a deal, huh?
I hate to have to say this but this time the good Colonel lost my support. I guess we will all go through hell but this time the DC slime will have the gas cans.
- http://www.facebook.com/tncdel Tnc Del
It boggles my mind that only those unable to think several moves ahead, as in a chess game, are posting such shallow comments here.
Surely you don’t think West is planning to let it go at that, do you? DUH!
- Anonymous
Perhaps some of us are thinking more than several steps ahead.
- http://twitter.com/PoeAllen Allen Poe
Let’s see, O asked for $3Tdebt limit, we gave him $2Tlimit, we asked for tax reduction, he got tax increase. How did we win? Oh, he got restriction on house bills, changing constitution. Just more freedom lost. Who cares? Just ask boss for raise. Can you speak Chinese?
- http://twitter.com/RichMcCreedy Richard McCreedy
Yea, listen, I have more respect for the dummies that voted for it the first time and voted for it this time.
The people who voted it first through the House and then voted this down did that second vote strictly with the idea of pleasing the base. When they passed it the first time it was already doomed and made the second vote irrelevant. So, yea, I’m looking at people like Gohmert who voted the Boehner bill through on Friday and then voted no today. Not fooling me, Louie. You aren’t either Jeff Flake.
And obviously there is a host of others since this bill had more than twice as many Rs voting against it than when the first Boehner bill passed. So, to you people who decided to suddenly have a change of heart once it was too late, screw you.
- Anonymous
They gave it to a “Joint” committee because they felt people would be too stupid to see that it is them that raised taxes, when the committee says to. They think everyone out here in America have no brain to think I guess. Yes, they got one more vote than the next person and they are smarter than you.
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What could have been.
“It does not take a majority to prevail … but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.” –Samuel AdamsWhat is.
“The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.”
— Oscar Wilde - Velvet
Is anyone suspicious as to what Wests or other “tea party” members motivation is behind their words regarding this legislation? Words that are so much different now than they were when we believed they would NEVER cave in and help the gov’t enslave not only us, but our children to this massive, out-of-control deficit spending/borrowing/taxing. Words that had meaning then; which suddenly change to a teaching moment since us simpletons or hobbits just don’t grasp that this is a victory. Yes, surely in their hungry eyes, it’s a victory for gov’t and serfdom of its people. It is the death of this great land where freedom & liberty were something all of us were proud of, led our lives to achieve the best for our families and our country. Now, we have become their slaves and soon every con artist in gov’t will be so drunk with power they will get away with more and more pillaging until our Constitution is burning before our eyes to become a faded memory of a once great nation. The ruling class has a plan alright and us peasants will soon know what food rations and planned brown-outs are like as we watch our dollars become play money. A nudge here, a crisis there, and that super congress of 13 (6 D’s, 6 R’s and the dear leaders veto vote power) will finish the black hole of complete tyranny, it is treason. They all should be hung! My heart is heavy and my eyes weep for the loss that words cannot really place into the right context. Forgive my rant, I hope I am not the only one who feels betrayed and belittled as well as utterly heartsick. ~V
- Anonymous
Forgive my rant, I hope I am not the only one who feels betrayed and belittled as well as utterly heartsick. ~V
No V, your not alone. I hope all our sharing and educating each other that we are not alone helps start to turn the tables a bit. If not, we will remember the good old days when we could read each other’s ideas on TRScoop and not be pickup by “homeland security” for being a terrorist or whatever they will label people who just want their country to be returned to the founders intent.
- Velvet
Thank you jp! Yes indeed other voices do help (even when they are typed). I was truly upset last night, especially after tucking in my child and thinking about all of this stuff going on.
- Anonymous
Can fog of war get so bad, that you can actually become confused as to who your commanding officers are? I could have sworn West was given an order before he came to congress.
Guess I have to check the Soldier Manual, and see how many of our troops have started planting roadside bombs.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Dias/1680711668 Chris Dias
We’re all going to hell!!
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_BX6ROP3X36W6OQV7EQ5VGNFOFE RCL
You folks need to think more with your brains than your hearts. Even the aggressive deficit cutting plans like Ryan’s, or better yet Rand Paul’s, don’t cut spending much short term. They simply curve the trend line down. The fact is no budget will work long term without serious Medicare and SS reform. That was totally off the table, complete non-starter until conservatives control the White House and the Senate.
That understood a serious strategist can make a good case for this deal especially with the guaranteed votes on the Balanced Budget Amendment in both houses. The schedule built into this deal will keep this issue burning right into the election cycle. It’s understood that the socialists have cooked America like a frog by incremental change. Why don’t any of you see that strategy here working in our favor? That’s precisely what the colonel is alluding to.
LTC West’s character stands out because he embodies honor and loyalty. Odd that so many of his “admirers” here lack an understanding of how that works. I will trust his judgement because of what he’s done and who he is. I don’t expect I’ll be disappointed.
- Velvet
Here’s my bet – Col. West voted for this to get a guaranteed spot on the Super Congress. Which is the WORST part of this piece of expensive crap. I understand your rationale as I do his and I do not agree with either of you. I hope you are right, yet I can see this turning quite ugly before long and perhaps next time you won’t quote his talking points to allude to an inability to think for ourselves.
- http://twitter.com/jdtarheel Jamie Lowe
Adding 2.3 TRILLION of debt is a “positive step in the right direction”? Thanks for nothing Al.
- http://profiles.google.com/ajtelles Art Telles
A BIG bump in the road…
When Sarah Palin endorsed Sen. John Macain for reelection as Arizona Senator, I commented in various forums that it was a small bump in the road, and if she were to seek the Presidency and be elected, Sen. Mcain would be an ally.
It was a small bump, metaphorically, and my metaphorical coffee cup stayed in the cup holder in my car, and not a drop of coffee spilled out.
However, with Congressman West, his vote for the debt limit deal, thereby endorsing Speaker Bohener is a BIG. BIG, BIG bump in the road, and my metaphorical coffe cup popped out of the cup holder and all of the coffee spilled up and hit the windshield and has affected my vision.
Wow.
However, I would still endorse Rep. West Sec. of Defense someday, since Islamic jihad is going to be around for a long, long, long, long, long, long, ad infinitum time.
Art
I stand with Israel
I propose the name of Yahowah (YHWH) vs. the name of Allah to
STOP! Islamization of America - Anonymous
Ok, who is leading the revolt here? I think it should be put down immediately. Gonna throw the baby out with the bath water, are you? Did you really think you could get everything you wanted? The Repubs control one house and are divided. Some time you have to use your brain. What did the Dems not get? What did the Repubs not get? And what did each side get? More importantly, What did America get or not? Did we avoid a default? What are we gonna do next year? Boot the Dems out of the Senate and the WH, right? Then we can start getting the budget really right, cut the spending that needs to be cut, abolish departments that are not needed, etc. Now, who among others is leading us in that direction? Right! Congressman West. Mark my words. Don’t jump to foolish conclusions. Allen West is one smart hombre. While he will make a mistake on occasion, usually he will discern the right thing to do and do it. Don’t let your emotions blind you. You’ll be missing out on the best things available. We need leadership. We need Allen West. Believe me. And no, I’m not from the government. Just 69 years of observation, learning and accumulating wisdom after making my share of mistakes, but learning from them. Everyone calm down. Hang in there. Things are gonna get better.
- Dave Swenson
We are living in an alternative Universe or something when Tea Party people have a huge win to celebrate, if only briefly, but instead choose to go after Colonel West?! West did nothing wrong, he did what was the right thing to do, but because some in the Tea Party didn’t get perfection, everyone is going to go along like Sheep?
I’m a registered Independent. Have been since 91′. And I am one of the very first Tea Partiers to climb aboard the train. I have supported the Tea Party with money, boots-on-the-ground, going to rallies, started a web based Tea Party News outlet, and have written to hundreds of politicians across the country to try and get them to do the right thing, signed every petition that came down the pike, and am responsible for convincing over 435 individuals to register to vote in the last 2 election cycles. However, If what I am reading continues, I will be forced to hang my head in shame for a movement I helped give birth to.
Do not destroy what so many have worked so hard for.
I stand with Colonel West, steadfast and loyal! - Anonymous
Allen West is a great man and a strong leader. As a follow Tea Party member I do agree with what he did. I support him whole heartedly and I have total faith in him. The Republicans only have the majority of 1/3 of the government. Remember people 2/3 are still in the Democrates hands. I believe what was done was still a major move for the Tea Party. So please don’t turn your backs on someone that is trying to help America. He is not a traitor. He is a loyal person. Stop acting like Democrats and trying to demonize a person at a blink of an eye. Allen West does deserve our support. He has done alot of great things and he will continue to try to bring America back on track again.
- http://twitter.com/garyd11 Gary D
CynDur: I believe your comment was right on about West. Yes, you can, as Mark Levin has, disagree with his decision on this, yet still support him as Levin does. West’s decision was based on what he thought, strategically, would be best as a stronghold for moving ahead. Would he have like to get the whole ball of wax? Of course. So would I, so would every Tea Party member, but I respect him for his analytical diligence and also for his transparency in providing an open letter to his “fellow Americans” explaining exactly why he voted for the bill. He does this for EVERY vote, EVERY time. No candidate is going to satisfy 100%. I loved and supported Reagan, but I didn’t like his amnesty for illegal aliens. So would I have wanted someone else to primary him? Hell, no! Thing of all the great things he did that wouldn’t have happened had someone else taken his place because of that. And I feel the same way about West. Despite this vote, he is still the very best their is. As Democratic County official Mike Block admitted, “He is the most brilliant politician I have ever seen.” So let’s not resort to eating our own. Nothing would make liberals happier. West will be a powerful force for them to contend with, and they would like nothing better than to be rid of him. Right there, is an important reason to continue to support him, and yes, continue to let him know when you agree and disagree with his views. That is every American’s obligation and duty.
- http://www.facebook.com/tncdel Tnc Del
Many people unfamiliar with how a chess game is played lack the ability to fathom that a battle is often not won on the first move. The Right Scoop seems to be someone in that category, for being unable to understand West’s reasons for accepting the compromise now that will open up opportunities to achieve what we ultimately want.
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Unwanted words of advice:
1. Try proofreading your posts first before you push the button.
2. Not doing so makes you look dumb.
3. Lay off of the caps a bit more.Strong words are not such because of upper or lower case letters, but because of their meaning. This post of yours has a typo in nearly every sentence. Your other posts rely heavily on caps as well. I proofread this post in reply to you, and I believe it is perfect. Now, and only now, will I hit the button to post it. Voila! What do you think?
Mr West, you’re breaking my heart.
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