Anderson C. is a tool of the lame stream media and at the very end when he played the clip of the guy saying his son wears glasses and therefore would be disabled under the u. n. treaty twisted the words and said they would take away his son which is not true. Anderson you are a TOOL.
Well Anderson when we have Supreme Court justices condoning and employing the PRACTICE of looking to International law when deciding cases concerning US law (that is the LEGALITY of US laws, no?), then what is so theoretical about the impact of a treaty of which we are a direct signatory?
Anderson Cooper doesn't understand because there has never been a progressive born that can see the bend in the road.
I make a motion that the US withdraw from the UN and boot the dictators out. Cooper and Obama can go with them. The enemy is within.
Wow. I've always wondered where all the crazies read their news and make their comments. I think your tin-foil hats are on too tight. The UN is going to take away every kid that wears glasses? You argument sounds something like:
Situation: Hero receives symbolic key to the city for saving a family during a fire.
Your stance - We should not give him the key to the city because he may use it to rob every citizen and bank.
Situation: Plan to build a new park.
Your stance: We should not built this park because an meteor could land there, thus killing everyone at the park.
I know that you are all narrow-minded bible thumpers but this seems to be a little bizarre, even for the people who believe that the Earth is only 5,000 years old or that women were made from some guy's rib.
About man-made religion - 99.9% of you do not have "faith" in your fairy-tale Tyrant-God. Your religion was chosen for you by your parents and the place of your birth.
How can people be THIS stupid?
how can you claim that 99.9% of us do not have faith in our God?
Aethists seem to try so hard to disprove a God they don't believe in. You guys crack me up. I honestly don't care if you believe in Him or not. You're the one who will stand in judgement before Him one day, wether you believe so or not. You believe that I will just return to dust that will be that, so then what's the harm in believing in a higher power? If I'm wrong nothing happens to me. If you're wrong however, you will suffer eternally in hell. It's your choice though, I just don't see why you come here trying to disprove He exists to people when you aren't going to. I'm not going to connvince you that He does.
Oh the tolerance of the left is overflowing with you isn't it??
What does this treaty have to do with God or religion at all? It's not even the right subject.
I have heard your argument before. You do know that Pascals Wager has been debunked many times? When you use it with a specific man-made religion in mind it becomes absurd. Here is the definition of faith:
"Strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof."
Now, 99.9% of Christians had their religion chosen for them. Either by their parents or by where they live. If parents did not brainwash their children and said children went on to believe in your God...that would be different.
Your faith teaches you many things, some good, some utterly evil but since people are responsible for implementing your god's will even the good things are corrupted and twisted.
Here is a good argument. According to your religion the vast majority of all of the good people who have ever lived are now burning in some lake of fire or other hell. I'm talking about the bulk of mankind (Hindus, unbaptized babies/infants, Buddhists and many others). Some radical wings of Christianity even believe that retarded people and many other Christians will burn for eternity. Let's not forget about EVERY human being who lived before Jesus (or 200 years after him when some extremists preached your religion to slaves across the empire). So all of these people will burn for eternity? That sounds pretty harsh, especially for the babies, kind Hindus/Buddhists and the people that lived pre-Jesus.
So, it would be safe to assume that the vast majority of good people are now suffering for eternity? An unbaptised baby who spent 3 days on earth will spend...forever burning.
That would make your god a petty, evil tyrant right? With so many good people in "hell" would it not be better to go there? In Heaven they will be the baby killers from the crusades and the witch burners and all of the other evil people who did the work of you god, usually on the church's orders.
Please don't bring up purgatory. The church has long admitted that they added that to the bible during the dark ages to increase numbers and donations.
I suppose my main point was that how can you have faith in something that you were forced into? If someone was forced to become your friend would you put a lot of faith in him? If you were born in India to Hindu parents...you would be Hindu and the same is true for 99.9% of Christians. Please also remember that 99% of Christians profess faith in god but almost never adhere to the bible.
I'm not an atheist BTW. I believe in god, just no man-made god. It is enough to know that there is something there. I suppose I will burn in hell but with so many good people there atleast I will be in good company. Perhaps your devil has been changed by all that goodness or your god has been corrupted by all of that evil. Heaven might be hell and hell might be heaven. I'd think that tens of billions of good people would change hell and the devil and if your god is surrounded by evil, wicked, narrow-minded little tyrants that he would be tainted. Oh well.
Please provide examples of "most evil men" that are driven by Christianity. What Christian has brought evil upon other people? What are your thoughts on Islam? You want to see a religion that brings evil about take a look at that one. You believe in a party that shouted down God three times at their convention. You don't see any biblical similarities there?? Hmm..."you will deny me three times before the rooster crows" maybe"?
You claim to say I cherry pick the bible. Granted I do not know it from cover to cover but I doubt you do either. You seem to cherry pick as well as you believe it allows for slaves and worse....which is what exactly?? Nice leftist talking point.
And as a typical leftist you result to insults when you lose an argument. I know where I'm headed in the afterlife, you on the other hand are wondering around lost hoping your good deeds will buy you a ticket in or at least that you can change either God or the devil. And where do you think our sense of what is right and wrong come from?? You think someone just made them up one day and everyone decided that that person was right? Where do our morals come from? God perhaps?? And where do we get our rights from? The government?? No. God perhaps?? Let me know how that Hope and Change works out for you.
When a priest says "My flock" he means it literally. I'm going to have to suspend this debate because you have shown that no amount of common sense, logic or simple goodness can touch you. Your man-made religion has a firm hold on you. Since your faith and god is imaginary it a good example of how concepts have power.
Since your god is petty and evil enough to eternally punish the good and embrace the evil...and that is just fine with you I really don't know what else say. The bible claims that retards should not be allowed in churches, that it is okay to own slaves and even worse. Despite that, you cling to certain things in the bible and claim that they are immutable truths but simply ignore the things you don't like. Most of the evil men in this world is driven by your religion and the other two that are simply different versions of the same fairly tale...filled out with lies.
I guess people need the imaginary product that you pay for when the collections plate gets passed around. The fear of death has spawned countless religions but few of them are as evil as yours. You can use your fake faith as a blanket and brainwash your children using threats and violence if they do not comply. Your god is looking for robots and sheep who will blindly follow him so he isn't for me. I'm sure you have to get up early to attend a Westboro Baptist protest or perhaps spread the word that the world is only 5,000 years old.
I believe you got side tracked with my father and didn't finish your story of Karla and Paul. I don't know how saying that they raped, tortured and murdered some little girls in the 90's is opening my eyes to anything.
You make more assumptions again. One, that I am white. And two that I am a racist. What does race have anything to do with those little girls?
As for my father he is a good person and he is not a christian. He is still alive so he has the rest of his life to come to Christ. When someone goes a lifetime of ignoring God and what he has asked why should He reward that person? That does not make God evil, it makes Him just. What person would respect a god who was wishy-washy and just let people into heaven if they were a "good person". By who's standard of "good" do they get in?? By that persons own standard? By what that person thinks the rest of society would say?? Who is really in charge then if that were the way it was? What kind of power would that god have???
Jesus did lead by example. However man is not perfect and we sin. It's our nature. Although we strive to follow in His example, I know I will never add up. However Jesus' death on the cross and resurection secured heaven for everyone. Believe that Christ is the savior and ask forgiveness of your sins and they will be wiped clean. Now of course you'll sin again so forgiveness isn't a one time deal.
God has power wether I believe in Him or not. You know who you sound like though in your last paragraph?? Lucifer. He tried to ascend to Heaven and become a god with angels at his side that agreed with him. Didn't work out to well for them did it. As Lucifer didn't have the power, man certainly does not have the power to cast God down. Again, with the letting of good people into heaven. Who determines what is good and what isnt' good enough? Does one mistake in your life condemn you for eternity? How many good acts do you have to commit to make into heaven? What a horrible life, never knowing if you were doing enough good to secure your eternal soul. Never knowing if the mistake you made when you cut that guy off driving into work went against you. The bible says what you need to do to get to heaven. And it isn't just, do good and hopefully you'll measure up. That would suck.
So what would a perfect being do since according to you God is not perfect? You seem to believe that you have the ability to cast God down or cast a god down. They wouldn't be too godly if they could be defeated by man, now would they? So you believe in something, however he lets people who are "good" get into whatever it is in the afterlife. Do you even believe in heaven and hell?
I did like the leftist showing its side when you blindly assumed I'm a racist. I got a laugh out of that.
I can help open your eyes and your mind. I'm going to use Karla Homolka and Paul Bernardo to do so. They raped, tortured and murdered some little girls in the 90's.
1. Is what they did evil/wrong/unfair?
2. Are they evil/wrong/unfair people?
Despite the fact that you are a fanatic who believes in the most evil book ever written, I'm sure that you will answer yes to both questions. Just in case though, we will assume that the little girls were white. Now, that should do the trick.
You said that your father was a good person yet what your tyrant god has done to him is a trillion times worse than what those sickos did to the little girls. You god has punished a good person for eternity. Not just a lifetime or two...eternity. No forgiveness, no 2nd chances...nothing. That would make he evil for doing so, right? Does your god not lead by example (i.e. Jesus)? Why would you blindly follow an evil, selfish, petty tyrant?
You know, your false belief is the only thing that gives your god any power. If you cast him down you will be free. He will have no power over you. Why not follow a god that isn't evil? Would your god be better if he let good people like your father into heaven? Of course he would yet according to that pile of man-made lies he is already perfect. A perfect being would not do ANYTHING that your god does. A god worth believing in would not punish the innocent and reward the wicked.
Not familiar with Pascals Wager.
Interesting how in your definition of faith, it does not say "a god" but "God".
I think your stat of 99% or 99.9% of christians had their religion chosen for them is a little off. Where did you get that number from? Let me guess you came up with it. How does where you live affect your religion? If you parents believe differently wouldn't you side with your parents? Or are you saying there is a free choice in this decision? A lot of people do come to Christianity by their own free will. I would argue that a large portion of Christians come to Christ on their own free will. I agree that people raised by parents of a certain faith will teach their children to believe in that faith because they believe it is correct. However, one is able to read and learn on their own. I came to Christ on my own. You are making the assumption that one, I have always been a christian and raised that way in a family of christians and two that I am Catholic. Neither is true for me. I don't consider my parents bad people but my mother has come to Christ after I left the house and my father is not a christian. He's not a bad person. Do I believe he will go to hell because he does not believe that Christ is our Lord and savior and died for our sins upon the cross? Yes. Do I like that? No. Is it my choice? No. As for babies, I don't believe that unbaptized babies go to hell. Jesus wasn't baptized as a baby. Baptism is an outward expression of your faith and belief in Christ. You are declaring to the world that you are a follower of Christ and strive to walk with Him. Babies can't make that concience decision. My children haven't been baptized yet because they don't understand the ramifacations of it yet. It would be meaningless to my 8 month old to baptize him because he may go away from the Lord and not believe. Just because he was baptized at 8 months doesn't mean he's saved.
Where is your stat of 99% of Christians don't adhere to the bible either come from? Another guess? No man is perfect. God knows that. Thats why Christ died for our sins.
So your agnostic but know that the Christian God does not exist correct? The devil has not changed because there are "good people" in hell. There are a lot of dirtbags in hell too. The devil isn't like, "aww shucks you didn't make it into heaven. Well at least you can hang out here, it's not too bad. There's coffee over there." No one is changing the devil. It's not like you go to hell and have discussions with him about where he went wrong in his existence. I think he knows that one already. And God is not tainted by anyone that goes to Heaven. They glorify Him in heaven, not have discussions as to how He could stick it to people better. Your view of God and the devil is very naive if you think their minds can be changed by the likes of man. That would mean that the creator of all the heavens, and earth is not as smart as a man....right? C'mon. But as for you, you should read paradise lost. Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven right?? I hope you pick up a bible and look to Him one day.
How nice of you to stop by so late in the evening. Most of the Liberal Idiots usually appear before we eat dinner, so there are plenty of people here to talk to. Coming in here so late, chances are, all you have is me, and I'm no fun at all.
I take by your opening comment, that you think the UN is just a peachy keen idea. I understand perfectly. You're probably what, twenty-something? Lot's of life experience, I'm sure. Got it all figured out, don't you? Have you started shaving yet? You're probably holding off on that as long as you can. You're right. It is a messy nuisance every morning.
Just for the record, we do get our news here, but its different than the way you put it. We get our news from many sources, except of course, the main stream media. We get all that news from all over the world, and then we bring it here and discuss it and dissect it.
By using this method, we find we are able to sift through it all, and determine what is truth, and what is fiction. I know its a lot easier to just watch CNN and NBC, but well, I think you get the point.
Sort of funny really, you're the second Atheist we've had here this evening. That doesn't happen too often.
I'd really like to help you, but you have to understand, its getting late, and you haven't really given us much to go on. On the Troll scale of ten, ten being a really great Troll, I would guess you would come in around four. But, that's not really definitive, or even fair really. Because we simply don't yet know how stupid you really are just yet. We simply need more data. I'm sure your understand.
Come back tomorrow and try again. I promise you, there will be others to entertain you. I think I warned you already, I'm no fun at all.
Tea bag boy keeps repeating the "gotcha" question asking for another example of the UN taking over here as a reason to suggest that this is not that. He is such a moron.
The general concept here (often misunderstood), having the appearance of benevolence, is the WORDING in "disability. It's similar to double-speak or an oxymoron, but not quite, in which the the details are not all advantageous, & can reduce freedom & options.
As usual, those among the LMSM lack facts/research, look at labels, jump to conclusions, ass-u-me that each/most gov/UN laws/treaties are good, etc.
I cannot listen to these news people. They disgust me so much I refuse to let them have any more voice than they already have.
It doesn't take much to confuse Cooper, hell he can't figure out why men love to have sex with women...
Is Anderson Cooper really arguing with Mike Lee, a Constitutional Lawyer? Who cares how Andersen Cooper sees anything after all we all know that he is being compromised! This sounds like another George Stephanopoulos move when he brought up the birth control issue in the Republican Presidential debate, which we now know as the prelude to the so called "War on Women" and forcing Catholics to offer birth control. Mike Lee was absolutely brilliant! I noticed that Andersen Cooper brought up more after the interview was over and reinforcing his stupid argument. This has Mark Zuckerburg’s fingerprints are all over, you know the ex-ceo of NBC!
Cooper, as all Leftists, feel just fine with relinquishing our Sovereignty and Self Determination to the UN. Disgusting.
I am so thrilled that we have people with foresight like Mike Lee who can predict and see what is really behind these treaties the Barack Obama and the UN is trying to force on Americans. If this treaty does nothing they why pass it, John McCain, Lisa Murkowsky, Olympia Snow, Susan Collins, and Barrasio?!
Cooper gets stuck on what he thinks is a "gotcha" regarding effect of UN treaties directly applied to US citizens. Well, yes Cooper I can give you an example, TAXES! US citizens pay the brunt of the financial burden of UN Treaties. So yes these UN treaties do usurp US constitution and effect US citizenry daily. Let us also not forget all the UN treaties regarding sanctions and how many of the nations in the UN blatantly break those sanctions.
Fact is the UN treaties are one way that is being used to change the US constitution. By passing treaties and being ratified make them the law of the land. That means these treaties changed our sovereignty, our Constitution. Forcing the US through identical laws of other nations to become part of a one world nation. Now one can see why the attack on "States Rights" is so important. If states loose their rights they fall into National laws, the National Laws which then are turned over to the UN.
What better way to inject these laws/treaties then under the disguise of helping those more vulnerable, handicapped, young, poorly educated, etc. The pattern is the same the left always uses. They go after peoples feeling of compassion, after all "whom would not wish to help these less fortunate, are you unfeeling". To this they make these treaties that are broad in scope or loosely word so they can get their foot in the door, then they further define what is meant.
Just as we have seen with the healthcarelaw/Obamacare/affordablehealthcareact, it is a law that the rules are still being made even though it is the law and yet not defined. In other words the law can and will be changed, and not for the better of those it affects. The end game is control for freedom is a word that is top of their list to despise and destroy.
We are not obligated by law for one single damned thing overseas, yes there are treaties but what the UN wants is to slowly but surely become the law in the US by this incremental "Progressive" measures type of measures where the UN injects itself into US law. Not only NO but Hell NO!!
He is a twit and confused about everything, including the self. If he would like to live under UN rule, there are many countries he can immigrate to. I'll be happy to slam and lock the door when his backside clears our border :)
O/T but don't see an open thread yet. So:
Happy Birthday BlueGood! May this be one of many, many more you celebrate with your Scoop family.
Gee, such a decision, do I beleve Cooper, who has no international law credentials, OR the Homeschool lawyer who has studies international law.....oh what are we to do.
Cooper, if I own a gun, but never shot it, does that mean I willNEVER shoot it?
Seriously, folks. The United Nations only has one purpose, and its not the one stated in their founding documents.
The United Nations was put in place to provide a working platform for establishing a New World Order and a Global Government. That is its primary purpose. Its secondary purpose, which supports its primary purpose, is to find ways to undermine the Constitution of the United States of America.
Why? Because our Constitution represents the biggest obstacle, ever created by human beings on this planet, to all the tyrants and despots of the world who want to move us toward that One World Government.
For most of its life, The Constitution has remained a rigid, immovable object, that has protected our Freedom. That's what the Founders intended it to be. It has weathered the storms, and is still in reasonably good shape, except for a few cracks, here and there. One of those cracks though, has a name, and it is real. UN Treaties.
The Founders thought nothing would ever supersede The Constitution. If only we had wise leaders, that would still be true today. Unfortunately, we know we haven't always had wise leaders, nor do we today.
These Treaties that Obama and others keep signing with the United Nations, do get around our Constitution, and do have the force of law, BECAUSE WE ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN!
Until we get some leaders with a spine, who will resign us from that body of tyrants, and throw them off our land, our future and the future of our children and grand-children, remains in peril.
The United Nations is one of the most serious threats this nation faces, going forward. We need to elect leaders who recognize that fact.
I guess you already saw this one Whitefriend? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E54W5OcjUkE&feature=g-crec-u
Cooper is a communist who never saw a move by the UN that he didn't like. Why do conservatives think they should go on these idiot's programs to explain their side? Cooper would NEVER understand ANYTHING that a conservative believes.
Screw Cooper, CNN and the UN!
I don't get it. If we already have protections in place for disabled people, then why would we want to sign on to a treaty that protects the rights of disabled people but that is under the authority of an outside, international body?
I am planning on starting a new company. Let me tell you a little about it, and you may decide to invest in it yourself.
The product I plan to offer, is in huge demand worldwide, with literally billions of people hoping to get their share of it. More details, later.
Using my own money, and yours too, should you decide to join me,
I plan to buy a large parcel of land, upon which I will build a huge central office complex, which will house the management operations of the business. The Sales Division will have it's own offices within the complex.
At a separate location on the same property, I plan to build another high-rise, with completely furnished offices, fully staffed and equipped with the latest technology in computer systems and equipment. A large auditorium will be provided for meetings and gatherings. Even though this additional building will produce no income, I will nonetheless, maintain it at my own expense. For what purpose, you may ask? Please allow me to explain.
The purpose of this building will be to provide offices and staff for all of my competitors, both present and future. In this setting, they will be able to share ideas on how best to go about the task of impeding my success and destroying the foundations of my business.
They will be able to vote amongst themselves, on which of these ideas hold the most merit, and those that do will find life as Resolutions. Based on these Resolutions, they will then attempt to get me to sign Treaties, the purpose of which, will be to put restrictions on how I run my business. Once I sign these Treaties, they will have the effect of law, and will supersede any or all, of the precepts of my original business plan.
This whole idea is still in the beginning, or planning stages, and I welcome any input you care to give. Please get back to me and let me know if its something you might be interested in being a part of.
Oh, I almost forgot. The product is Freedom, for your entire family.
Without even knowing all the details, I'll invest! You should hire a Chief Executive Officer who has experience in union organization and preferably has been mentored by anti-capitalist mentors. Pay him the going rate for salary and lavish him with benefits such as a high salary for life, frequent all expenses paid vacations, top of the line health care benefits for him, his family and his senior staff, weekly bashes at the company with the competitors from the other building and all paid for by the employees.
Of course he will need a staff of highly educated, low experienced managers who will be faithful him, defending all of his actions.
The employees should be divided by their gender, race, sexual preference, and whatever else can be dreamed up. The employees should not be paid according to their productivity, the less productive should receive a portion of the more productive employees salary and all employees should eventually receive equal pay regardless of effort put forth.
I can already see what a thriving business this will be, there is no possible way it could fail.
Thanks White, for exposing another leftist hypocricy.
On second thought, Toon, you may have just saved me a lot of work. If I followed all of your guidelines, I might not have to build that second high rise. If I hire enough Union thugs, college perfessers, and other incompetents, I wouldn't need to help my competitors destroy my business. I could do it in house and save all that money. I could funnel some that extra profit into offshore accounts, then get a government bail-out for a few billion, and just keep right on going.
I think I'm beginning to see how government really works. I was running with the misguided opinion that businesses should be self sufficient. Stupid me.
While I do appreciate all your suggestions, Toon, I want to get the business off to a good, solid beginning. That's why I've set up a preliminary hiring office in Chicago. All the initial primary management positions will be filled through the Chicago office.
If that works as well as I think it will, we might try a second office in Hollywood, once we get the business up and running.
But thanks for your input. :)
Actually, Nuke, I have an idea on that which might help both of us. We're going to need someone who has the necessary skills and knowledge to apply for Federal grants. The government has tons of money they just can't wait to give away every year. Just look at Solyndra.
If you think you could fill that requirement, we could probably find a way to funnel some of that money off in your direction. What do you say?
It's night...they're black...can't quite get my laser focused on it. I have to go by sound alone. Best I can do is bug out and set the charges, lol.
I cannot respond, because they listen to every word I say.
(Wait, is that the sound of rotors in my back yard?)
Heh, the only thing the government is ever going to give me is a tax bill for the ammo I'm buying (just before they take it away from me).