One gunman. Thirty armed teachers. Most likely he'd pick a different school.
Teachers should also drill students on how to take cover in the event of an attack.
This is awesome. Those that are against this are yellow belly, spineless cowards for not being brave enough to protect their innocent children! Their OWN innocent children--COWARDS!
The parents of those children should be relieved that these teachers will have the capability to blow away any sicko that tries to harm them.....Great idea!!!!!
Teachers are just that, teachers. The vast majority don't even do that well. The focus for teachers should be PROPER teaching of the facts not their liberal brainwashing.
Put a loaded weapon in the hand of any of these (all happened in 2012), what do you think would have happened:
1. Jerry Sandusky. How many more children would he have raped?
3. Phili teacher bullies student wearing Romney T-shirt saying it's the KKK. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/04/Philadelphia-teacher-bullies-student-for-wearing-Romney-shirt
4. NC teacher screams at student that it's criminal to criticize Obama
5. This OH special needs student bullied by teacher's aide. http://abcnews.go.com/US/special-student-taped-bully-teachers/story?id=14923206#.UM9qHXfu3_c
6. This NJ special needs student bullied by teacher. http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/teacher-caught-tape-bullying-student-camera-kids-only-224600400.html
There are countless reports of male teachers assaulting female students that go uninvestigated and many, many more are not reported because the unions defend the teachers and the students are left on their own to face public humiliation. Do you want your child's teacher to hold your child at gunpoint until they surrender sexually? Do you want a moooslim teacher holding your child at gunpoint until (s)he denounces God and accepts Allah as the only God?
I cannot believe that the very people that post on this site about the liberal brainwashing of children in public schools are the very people that want those teachers to have a loaded weapon in their possession.
It will only take 1 case where a teacher's gun is taken and used against the teacher, other students or administration and there will be a nationwide call to ban ALL guns and overturn the 2nd Amendment and it will pass.
I have to admit, for the first time I am EXCITED that MN has a full Democrat legislature and Governor and I will proudly support a statewide ban of teachers, principals, administrators having guns in our schools, whether or not they have training. Security needs to be left to the experts and those are not teachers.
Though I know you are generalizing, I have to take exception to your comment about "the vast majority don't even do that well". My son is a High School teacher, a damn good one, and for the first time we worry for his safety. We live in CT. My husband wanted him to get his pistol permit years ago but it didn't flush out. Now, we will be pushing him to arm himself. And by the way, the vast majority are GOOD, caring teachers. The teachers in Newtown gave their lives for those children. I'd say that's a very steep sacrifice to make for the heartless bastards you refer to. You really shouldn't put the stink of the Lib/Lefty teachers on all the rest. It doesn't suit them.
I hope that your son is a good teacher, the vast majority are not.
Kids are dropping out of school left and right, are illiterate and cannot function without a calculator and computer. Teachers are focused on their fat paychecks and benefit packages and not on the education of the students with the unions protecting the incompetent. BTW, I never used the term heartless bastards. But they are your words and very applicable if you look at the links I provided in my post above. Would you like to send your kiddies into a classroom with those thugs knowing they are armed? And let's also remember the 26,000 teachers recently on strike and the WI teachers protesting that took students with them. Fine upstanding examples of GOOD caring teachers?
The police have not issued their findings in the CT shooting. Newtown had the ability to protect those children but they chose not to continue the federal grant for armed security that they had from 2000-2003. CT is also the 5th strictest in gun control.
Until teachers are out of the grasp and control of their NATIONAL union, I don't want the unions to have any contact with who gets to carry and who doesn't. Not all teachers are hacks or liberals but they are ALL members of unions.
Haven't we seen enough uncalled for violence out of unions in the past couple of years? It isn't your son we don't trust. It is the union he is FORCED to comply with that frightens the bejeebers out of us conservatives.
Congratulations, you have thought of an excuse not to move forward. There are many people like you who are afraid to get out of the bed in the morning, or, as in the case of Hobbits, to go out of the door. Your paralyzing fears not withstanding, we do need to move forward and take our chances. Such a student as you describe does not belong in normal school. The other issue is unqualified teachers protected by their unions. A teacher so immature as you mentioned is really not qualified to teach. The added responsibility of gun ownership will help weed these out.
The national socialistic party of Germany had a fantastic program of social change. It only took days to reorder Austria when they moved in. Morality was out, the Catholic Church was dethroned, and everyone quickly learned to go along to get along. Every inspiring socialistic movement has studied these techniques ad infinitum. That is where Obama got his idea for a national police force armed like the military. So what? We know where they are coming from and what their long range goals are. Lock and load, they will be coming over the hill soon.
And you see no similarities between the actions of the Maobama administration and Nazi Germany? Like taking over the banking, auto and healthcare industries? Those were the same three moves hitler did when he took power.
Na, history has been rewritten at the behest of Big Brother. Now that saying is attributed to Barrack Obama. You afraid of words? Because your opponent says something you are now afraid of using those words and turning them around? You don't let the opposition define you, you turn their words back on them. Besides I think the German expression is "Gehe Vor" kind of short and pithy if you speak German.
This is what the public schools are full of and have been for decades. Giving them guns will only empower them more to target and terrorize impressionable children. I've offered plenty of solutions. Feel free to arm teachers in your schools but when a child is killed by one of those guns, I will be on the side of a national ban on the 2nd Amendment.
But thanks to the unions we have MANY incompitent teachers. They can't be fired because of the union and seeing the regular incidence of violence out of union members lately, I'd rather not be armed.
Well... there is that.
I see the logic of your points, however they infringe on the rights of others...
In this recent school shooting, anyone could have stopped this madman had they been armed. At the very least, anyone could have had an opportunity to stop it.
Teachers may well be generally a bit more liberal... but overall they are just regular people.
I consider that the Gun Free School zone was a death sentence for every life lost.
And I would not deny the right to self defense or those granted by God and guaranteed by the Constitution to our Teachers.
Yeah.... there is no perfect solution, however those that were in place in this instance clearly failed.
Stay away from gun free zones... they aren't safe.
As LaPierre pointed out in the Israeli schools, since they are now protected, no further gun violence has occurred where prior to that, it was a problem.
I don't know the particulars of the way they go about it, but I would have to say whatever they are... adopt them.
Unfortunately the US is not Israel. We do not have the values of the Israelis nor have we had to endure the constant threat of violence that Israel has endured.
Because teachers are public employees and schools are public property, restricting guns onsite is perfectly legal and infringes on no one's right. You may defend and protect your own property. The taxpayer will pay for all of the lawsuits caused by teachers having loaded weapons, starting with the trauma caused to each student.
Your comments reflect a position that you are somehow superior to and more deserving of the rights that we founded this country upon.
Or maybe that THIS Citizen deserves more, or less...
And that argument is dead in the water.
You, me, and probably every single Adult at that school would most likely have placed our lives at risk to defend those children, given the chance.
Teachers,if they are that bad on the whole, should be in prison.
However, I don't think anything of the sort.
If the rights under the Constitution are good enough for me, well, I will extend those rights to the Teachers as well.
To act any differently put us on the path to....
Children will and deservedly so, be traumatized by teachers having loaded guns in the classroom. Teachers are not provided with mental health examinations, are barely licensed in some states and have ZERO supervision. They are having sex with students, impregnating and getting pregnant by students and as my links show, use their mouths to intimidate and brainwash children.
The law in our state is very clear, guns may be banned on public property and private property (by business owners). Comparing an armed teacher to law enforcement is simply ridiculous.
Only pointing out the obvious...
Trauma caused by Teachers having loaded weapons pales by comparison.
If the Students are traumatized by that, how will they handle the trauma of a regular traffic stop?
Of course I must have been horribly traumatized, growing up in a family of Commercial Fishermen, Loggers, Cowboys and the like...
So far as infringement, I do not agree as previously stated that a Teacher be disarmed by virtue of their Employer and the Property owner being the Public..
The Public Safety Department seems pretty well protected.
Besides, why don't we extract a bit more profit out of the investment we've already made in training military and policy. I know LOTS of Vets I would trust with a firearm and my back turned to them. They may not be in combat condition anymore, me included, but my firearms proficiency and desire to serve are still VERY strong. Hire some folks we ave already paid to train and give them these jobs.
Many a near retirement aged vet or LEO would LOVE that job and he already understands the laws and the proper way to handle and decide to use a firearm. Hell, I had teachers that had trouble reading english. I don't want them armed.
Hire a military vet, give him a firearm, a decent compensation package and there would never e another successful school massacre. I promise on my own life, this crap would stop.
Absolutely right, Orangeone.
Case in point! This Marine dad is doing just what you suggest (unarmed and unasked) to protect his kids. I have been posting all along that retired military and retired law enforcement should be providing armed security at schools. Hire a Vet & Protect Kids = Win/Win
It is the ONLY solution. The vets are free of the unions and the union influence (independent contractors) as well as the best trained to identify and respond to threats against the students and school. I want them compensated, their military medical insurance premiums paid as well as an allowance for their handguns and firing range time.
I saw that and the interviews with the parents of OTHER children at that school are THRILLED beyond explanation at having a Marine standing at the door. For free, voluntarily, out of the goodness and bravery of his own heart.
As uncouth of a statement this may be to some of you (few, I hope), it is about damn time that at least one state dares to look evil in the eye and challenge its own weaknesses to deal with ordinary life and civility in the most humane way. Much applause to the folks in Utah for exercising their Second Amendment rights to fort off the notion that an unarmed, defenseless civil servant is the best panacea for the psychotic behavior of certain individuals. Thank God (Yes, that's right! Using my own First Amendment right.) these people have stepped up to the plate to rein potential acts of terror!
I am a firm believer in gun control and marksmanship...
I would be most pleased if the Teachers in my area got together and started training and plinking. I have a couple daughters that will one day be in school, and I can't follow them around all day.
Contrary to the video, you should start with a .22, not that hand cannon that little lady shows. The recoil from that thing will make her scared to shoot and ruin any prospect of accuracy. Start little, get used to it.
I agree, a small caliber may not have the stopping power, but I can put 10 rounds on target much faster with my .22 LR Ruger that you can with any other semi-automatic pistol: no kick, no re-acquiring the target. Don't have to stop firing until you are sure perp can no longer hurt you. To me that is when he hits the ground. It is also easier to carry concealed.
You don't follow court cases much do you? Put 2 or 3 rounds in a perp is defensible. Emptying your magazine will see you put in prison. You are the type of person that has JUST enough info on the subject to be more dangerous than helpful.
This is the point that the anti gun nuts loses the argument. Part of the responsibility of owning a gun is practicing, bewing proficient in its use along with care and security of said fire arm. Gun owners don't just buy a weapon, store it in a closet without ever practicing then just decide to go to a school and kill a bunch of people.
All the gun owners I KNOW are far more sensitive and thoughtful about the responsibility of gun ownership than our policiticians care for our country.
It depends on how good a marksman you are. If the guys still moving after 2 or 3 rounds I'll still be shooting. Practice at a gun range for the average person isn't going to train them for the fear engendered by an encounter with a bad guy. As a Marine your prepared mentally so your aim would be on target not so for the average gun owner in danger.
Does anyone know the last massacre that took place in Utah? I can't recall one. Wow, that sounds like a pretty decent statistic to me..... God bless those teachers.
When I took a class to be able to get a CCW permit for Utah (PA resident) back in October, the instructor told us that teachers in Utah are permitted to carry. I thought "How brilliant is that???". Nobody would really even need to exercise that option and it would still reduce the likelyhood of an incident just based on the possible ramifications. Bullies are cowards.
I'm befuddled as to why any idiot liberals would be against this. They don't want armed, trained security people in a school... so this seems to be the next logical (or maybe the best) solution.
Sadly, we have all seen how effective "gun free zones" were. Liberal's moronic thinking never ceases to stun me... what planet are those people from? Clouded minds...
It is just utterly mind boggling how liberals think. You are so correct. It's like their brains operate backwards and then they take hypocrisy to levels that any normal human being can hardly describe.
People like Gregory don't want our kids protected by guns, but he sends his kids to a school with armed guards.
Trying to understand the liberal think is the reason I don't spend much time on here of late. It's just so frustrating to have to live by their "moronic thinking". Talk about unfair.
They've always been hypocrites. What's good for them, is whatever they don't want the unwashed masses to have. What's good for the unwashed masses, is whatever which is needed to be taken away from the elites. It's pathetic.
Leftists and their statist allies fear guns because they have no experience with them. And leftists like Kirstin Powers like to pretend that they have some expertise to offer because they were raised around them. Yet when they open up their pie holes its obvious to those of us with copious firearms experience, that Kirsten and others like her, are either full of themselves and don't know what they are talking about, or just flat out lying. Besides, facts don't matter to the leftist swine. Emotion is what they operate on, not common sense.
The Leftists will never be happy with "gun control" until only Leftists are allowed to legally possess firearms. Its just one of the many tactics the Leftists use to enslave any Nations' peoples.
This is very encouraging, I hope they have instructors equally adept at teaching situational awareness.