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Even if you opt out, it still has consequences. And the fact that it is mandatory in the first place is the main problem. It is absolutely ridiculous. If you do opt out, it leaves you open to public school and private school discrimination. Which, if it were opt-in would not be a problem.
Even if you opt out, it still has consequences. And the fact that it is mandatory in the first place is the main problem. It is absolutely ridiculous. If you do opt out, it leaves you open to public school and private school discrimination. Which, if it were opt-in would not be a problem.
Even if you opt out, it still has consequences. And the fact that it is mandatory in the first place is the main problem. It is absolutely ridiculous. If you do opt out, it leaves you open to public school and private school discrimination. Which, if it were opt-in would not be a problem.
She is in 'self-destruct' mode.. She's obviously not on par with Romney / Perry / Newt. All she does is say "i lead the effort" against Obamacare, against, this against, that.. ya michelle that's all well and good, but you have little to NO real accomplishments to stand on.. Saying you lead an effort to do something, doesnt mean you were successful.. And right now, we are looking for someone with REAL executive experience.
She is in 'self-destruct' mode.. She's obviously not on par with Romney / Perry / Newt. All she does is say "i lead the effort" against Obamacare, against, this against, that.. ya michelle that's all well and good, but you have little to NO real accomplishments to stand on.. Saying you lead an effort to do something, doesnt mean you were successful.. And right now, we are looking for someone with REAL executive experience.
Clearly Perry doesn't appreciate individual liberty or understand the proper role of government when he signs an executive order mandating vaccinations for 12 yr old girls without parental notification or consent and making it difficult for parents to opt out.
But Bachmann just voted to extend the Patriot Act. So in her world it's OK for little girls to be sexually assaulted by rent-a-cops at the airport. After all, just buying an airplane ticket in America makes one a terrorist suspect today.
Do you really think Bachmann cares about personal liberty? She was a "tax lawyer" as she calls it. That's politically correct speech for an IRS prosecuting attorney which is what she really was. The IRS pioneered the idea of guilty-until-proven-innocent which seems to be the way the US deals with everyone now.
I don't like Perry's crony capitalism or Bachmann's embrace of the police state. Ron Paul has fought both -- consistently for 30+ years. He's the honest, small government candidate.
I came over here looking for an actual conservative Tea-Party person to answer a question, but these comments are all from lefties.
In any case: does anyone know what the Tea Party position is (to the extent that there is one position - I know it's hard to generalize) on vaccinations in general, aside from HPV? Is Bachmann only excited about the STD aspect of the HPV vaccine, or are Christian home-school types opposed to vaccines in general?
Ok..I'll follow your rabbit hole. Does Diarrhea cause GI cancer, or does diarrhea itself cause damage to the GI tract itself? No. What does a seizure do to the brain if worse case scenario happens? Trying to put an equivalency to a benign problem to a seizure...what on earth? Am I understanding you right that you are saying seizures do not cause any harm to the brain?
I'm a doctor, too. You don't "develop mental retardation". It's ridiculous. Most seizures are benign (neurologists call them "brain sneezes") and you would have to suffer long hypoxia to suffer any long term effect. That would be "brain hypoxia" or "brain damage", not "mental retardation". Would you say a child who has drown suffered "mental retardation" before death?
I'm a doctor, too. You don't "develop mental retardation". It's ridiculous. Most seizures are benign (neurologists call them "brain sneezes") and you would have to suffer long hypoxia to suffer any long term effect. That would be "brain hypoxia" or "brain damage", not "mental retardation". Would you say a child who has drown suffered "mental retardation" before death?
I'm a doctor, too. You don't "develop mental retardation". It's ridiculous. Most seizures are benign (neurologists call them "brain sneezes") and you would have to suffer long hypoxia to suffer any long term effect. That would be "brain hypoxia" or "brain damage", not "mental retardation". Would you say a child who has drown suffered "mental retardation" before death?
I'm not saying anything different. But just because most are benign, there is no laughing matter when something causes someone to be hospititalized because of a drug side effect where they told her point blank, never have this substance injected in you again. Its semantics. She used incorrect verbage to describe the condition, a mistake that most non-doctors would make. I get personally very angry about this issue because I am very concerned about my son when he gets to school age and gets the shot that caused so much pain and danger to my wife happening to my son. So forgive me if I don't care about the semantic differences between official mental retardation and brain damage. They both cause similar effects, and are both terrible things to have happen.
I should not have to jump through hoops to opt out of a mandatory innoculation or face dire consequences even when I opt out.
I should not have to jump through hoops to opt out of a mandatory innoculation or face dire consequences even when I opt out.
I should not have to jump through hoops to opt out of a mandatory innoculation or face dire consequences even when I opt out.
I'm not saying anything different. But just because most are benign, there is no laughing matter when something causes someone to be hospititalized because of a drug side effect where they told her point blank, never have this substance injected in you again. Its semantics. She used incorrect verbage to describe the condition, a mistake that most non-doctors would make. I get personally very angry about this issue because I am very concerned about my son when he gets to school age and gets the shot that caused so much pain and danger to my wife happening to my son. So forgive me if I don't care about the semantic differences between official mental retardation and brain damage. They both cause similar effects, and are both terrible things to have happen.
Ok..I'll follow your rabbit hole. Does Diarrhea cause GI cancer, or does diarrhea itself cause damage to the GI tract itself? No. What does a seizure do to the brain if worse case scenario happens? Trying to put an equivalency to a benign problem to a seizure...what on earth? Am I understanding you right that you are saying seizures do not cause any harm to the brain?
While it may not be wise to repeat a personal conversation about something like this, are you saying that allergic reactions cannot cause seizures that can then cause brain damage that has alot of the same symptoms of mental retardation? I've seen the effects of seizures in person, and I cannot reconcile the statement that this is not possible. She just used an incorrect verbage.
While it may not be wise to repeat a personal conversation about something like this, are you saying that allergic reactions cannot cause seizures that can then cause brain damage that has alot of the same symptoms of mental retardation? I've seen the effects of seizures in person, and I cannot reconcile the statement that this is not possible. She just used an incorrect verbage.
While it may not be wise to repeat a personal conversation about something like this, are you saying that allergic reactions cannot cause seizures that can then cause brain damage that has alot of the same symptoms of mental retardation? I've seen the effects of seizures in person, and I cannot reconcile the statement that this is not possible. She just used an incorrect verbage.
Still..that and the "I will err on the side of life" comments cement his proclivity to believe that the government is better then individuals at deciding what is good for them. He never backed down from the mandate, just on it being an executive order. I like perry on alot of things, but this tendency to think government is the solution and the best decision maker on personal decisions bothers me the same way it did with GW Bush.
Still..that and the "I will err on the side of life" comments cement his proclivity to believe that the government is better then individuals at deciding what is good for them. He never backed down from the mandate, just on it being an executive order. I like perry on alot of things, but this tendency to think government is the solution and the best decision maker on personal decisions bothers me the same way it did with GW Bush.
My wife had a major seizure as a reaction to the dpt shot. She was in the hospital for 5 days. Seizures can cause brain damage which causes the same or similar effects as developmental disorders "mental retardation"
My wife had a major seizure as a reaction to the dpt shot. She was in the hospital for 5 days. Seizures can cause brain damage which causes the same or similar effects as developmental disorders "mental retardation"
You know... I was going to say something like "but that's not the same thing!", but I've got enough of a crap tornado trying to engulf me in a different thread... I don't need to get beat on somewhere else... ;)
In any case, I hope your wife is doing much better now and that she isn't having any issues with seizures anymore... :)
You know... I was going to say something like "but that's not the same thing!", but I've got enough of a crap tornado trying to engulf me in a different thread... I don't need to get beat on somewhere else... ;)
In any case, I hope your wife is doing much better now and that she isn't having any issues with seizures anymore... :)
You know... I was going to say something like "but that's not the same thing!", but I've got enough of a crap tornado trying to engulf me in a different thread... I don't need to get beat on somewhere else... ;)
In any case, I hope your wife is doing much better now and that she isn't having any issues with seizures anymore... :)
Its not the same thing, and doctors say she shouldn't see it again as long as she doesn't ever have the substance I think its called pertussis...injected in her again. My biggest concern is having to go through it with my son, and if they say that even if they know there is a reaction to it that is potentially harmful that I still have to watch them do it. I just don't know how I can even react to it. I have heard rumblings of an alternative shot for the same purpose, but haven't seen much on it. Overall, my point, is that one size fits all mandates are stupid, and not constitutionally imo. I do understand that its not the same thing, and I understand she used incorrect verbage to describe what happened to the girl even if it was correct. Hope you faired ok with the tornado.
Its not the same thing, and doctors say she shouldn't see it again as long as she doesn't ever have the substance I think its called pertussis...injected in her again. My biggest concern is having to go through it with my son, and if they say that even if they know there is a reaction to it that is potentially harmful that I still have to watch them do it. I just don't know how I can even react to it. I have heard rumblings of an alternative shot for the same purpose, but haven't seen much on it. Overall, my point, is that one size fits all mandates are stupid, and not constitutionally imo. I do understand that its not the same thing, and I understand she used incorrect verbage to describe what happened to the girl even if it was correct. Hope you faired ok with the tornado.
Its not the same thing, and doctors say she shouldn't see it again as long as she doesn't ever have the substance I think its called pertussis...injected in her again. My biggest concern is having to go through it with my son, and if they say that even if they know there is a reaction to it that is potentially harmful that I still have to watch them do it. I just don't know how I can even react to it. I have heard rumblings of an alternative shot for the same purpose, but haven't seen much on it. Overall, my point, is that one size fits all mandates are stupid, and not constitutionally imo. I do understand that its not the same thing, and I understand she used incorrect verbage to describe what happened to the girl even if it was correct. Hope you faired ok with the tornado.
You know... I was going to say something like "but that's not the same thing!", but I've got enough of a crap tornado trying to engulf me in a different thread... I don't need to get beat on somewhere else... ;)
In any case, I hope your wife is doing much better now and that she isn't having any issues with seizures anymore... :)
Maybe its just misreading things into it. But it was short. You were implying because my wife was not made mentally retarded that it is impossible when it full well could cause brain injuries when you have a seizure. I would have specified if it did cause brain injury if it had. Overall, it was at best an illadvised quip.
She had a seizure, that could have caused developmental disorders, but luckily that did not happen. Your retort is ignorant and offensive. My point is..while it may not be best to tell personalized stories to dismiss it out of hand as impossible is inane.
She had a seizure, that could have caused developmental disorders, but luckily that did not happen. Your retort is ignorant and offensive. My point is..while it may not be best to tell personalized stories to dismiss it out of hand as impossible is inane.
As others have pointed out here, the "mental retardation" statement was based on anecdotal experience of one woman and not on research. Doesn't mental retardation have an early, even embryonic, onset? If anything, wouldn't the (alleged) effect be described as brain damage? Knowing only the barest surface of the allegation is no basis for a bold statement about the cause -and-effect of a vaccine.
I think the Bachmann Express just jumped the tracks.
I think the Bachmann Express just jumped the tracks.
Jumped the shark..
Nuked the fridge..
I think the Bachmann Express just jumped the tracks.
Jumped the shark..
Nuked the fridge..
I think the Bachmann Express just jumped the tracks.
Jumped the shark..
Nuked the fridge..
As others have pointed out here, the "mental retardation" statement was based on anecdotal experience of one woman and not on research. Doesn't mental retardation have an early, even embryonic, onset? If anything, wouldn't the (alleged) effect be described as brain damage? Knowing only the barest surface of the allegation is no basis for a bold statement about the cause -and-effect of a vaccine.
I think the Bachmann Express just jumped the tracks.
No way it could happen? My wife almost died from a vaccine she was allergic to. I cannot believe that there is no way it can happen.
Just one question about Gardasil. Why is it necessary to prevent a STD in a 12 year old girl when girls that age shouldn't be having sex to begin with?
Yes, and by saying that the states can't have mandates, she disregarded the 10th amendment... True, that sort of stuff is unconstitutional from a federal level, but if the state constitution allows for it then it's not unconstitutional for that state...
Sounds to me, though, like it needs to be sorted out at the Supreme Court, if it becomes sticky enough...
OPT OUT! OPT OUT! OPT OUT!
Michelle, WTF part of OPT OUT don't you understand? The parent's, who Bachmann and Palin preach are the holy grail of child righteousness, authorized this. Sad part is, half those parents are liberals and you know how those kids end up like Chaz Bono.
The campaign donation thing was egregious for Bachmann to bring up, too. Of course a Governor of 11 years will have had campaign donations from groups who, gasp, sometimes are companies that make jobs products that you support.
As if it is easy to opt out. Especially since schools can make it a requirement to enter them once it is established. It should be opt-in especially on innoculations that are for preventable diseases. Ridiculous.
This is exactly what turned me off with both Bachmann and Santorum, they both did not mention the opt out. Why? I do realize the opt in was more their point but to not be truthful on the issue a "whole", doesn't sit well.
The woman who came up to Bachmann complaining about Gardasil is the same woman who chose to give it to her daughter. Did she not do the research regarding vaccines, I do, because it is my responsibility, not the Governments or a Governor who wants to mandate it. btw Hep B is mandatory and controversial (and considered an STD disease), where is the outrage. This only proves how easy it really is to blame others for their own choices. This is a bad example to use.
I'd look for the CDC, The American Academy of Pediatrics, and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists to issue press releases after this disgusting display. Infants are vaccinated against Hepatitis B at birth, and the Gardasil vaccine is recommended between 9 years and 22 years per CDC guidelines. Santorum and Bachmann came off as puritanical "burn the witch!!" idiots.
Mark - good fact checking.
Maybe someone should tell Michelle Malkin and others of this. I'm tired of them harping on Perry about this. I wish they would move away from this subject since it's only hurting them, i.e., Bachmann and company. We have more important issues to discuss.
Also, as I stated before, using the 80/20 rule will help voters in making an informed decision on who they will choose as their candidate. We're all not 100% perfect and to expect that from a candidate is ludacris.
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