Bachmann hits Perry hard on the fact that Merck, who contributed thousands to his campaign and whose chief lobbyist was Perry’s former Chief of Staff, made millions of dollars due to his Executive Order mandating Gardasil. And I have to say Perry’s answer wasn’t all that convincing:

Not only did Bachmann handle that very well, but Santorum also responded great. I think Perry will probably be better prepared for that attack come next debate, but tonight he loses on this one.




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Larry Gibby
Larry Gibby

I think folks need to look into this Gardasil issue. I wouldn't let my daughters be vaccinated with the poison. It kills people. Look it up!

Matthew J. Weaver
Matthew J. Weaver

Besides his staff lobbyist, I seriously doubt the $5,000 in disclosed donation Perry received is the sum of it all. Consider that Texas has among the loosest of state laws regarding cronyism. Has Perry been getting other non-monetary benefits?

Larry Gibby
Larry Gibby

Looser than California or Illinois? Implausible but possible, I suppose.

B-Funk
B-Funk

Yah, that's usually enough to start an investigation. Her claims were not without evidence. The connection is too close to not be asking that question.

Natassia
Natassia

Romney is clinging to that Tenth Amendment claim--states can force citizens to purchase goods and services but the federal government cannot.

It is a weak argument. What prevents him from mandating that all people purchase a vehicle or a house?

Kenneth
Kenneth

They're not being "forced" per se. Vaccine schedules are part of the requirements for attending public schools in the United States. Parents had several options: 1. get the vaccine, 2. get an exemption for the vaccine (which I hear is very easy in Texas), or 3. withdraw their daughter from public school.

Kenneth
Kenneth

They're not being "forced" per se. Vaccine schedules are part of the requirements for attending public schools in the United States. Parents had several options: 1. get the vaccine, 2. get an exemption for the vaccine (which I hear is very easy in Texas), or 3. withdraw their daughter from public school.

Natassia
Natassia

Perry has cojones--he manned up and admitted he was wrong about the vaccines. Now if the other GOP candidates bring it up again, people will think they are grasping for straws by beating a clearly-dead horse.

Eve
Eve

This issue has become worn out and bickering over and over about it, I don't think is helping any of them. It really doesn't make me think he will Executive order everything and give Merck special advantages.

I do believe it should be the parents choice and never mandated, it was a mistake. He's apologized over and over for it, in the end the People won, it didn't go through. I've found it is more of a distraction instead of the bigger immediate real issues that are truly going to win the election.

RCL
RCL

Perry has been an outspoken pro-life advocate for his whole career. When he was for Gore, Al was pro-life. Rick takes shots for his faith and values repeatedly. You would think overt Christians like Bachmann and Santorum would show some level of empathy with Gov. Perry. To see these holier than thou munchkins pile on is more revelatory of their fallen nature than of Rick's error.

I expected it from Bachmann but I'm truly disappointed in Santorum. Perry is the best hope for the pro-life movement in 2012. Mitt doesn't have a committed bone in his body. Santorum has no chance in hell but he's happy to tear down a fellow believer all for his vanity. He should step aside and go on retreat to salvage what remains of his honor.

RCL
RCL

The mandate was voted down. How could Merck have made millions when it never happened?

The fact is the Gardasil program is standard procedure in many states including mine, California. I didn't want my daughter to take it but the girls ( the wife & daughter ) told me to shut up so I did. No big deal.

IMHO I think Anita asked him to do it so he did. Women in general and nurses in particular are generally pro government health initiatives.

RCL
RCL

The mandate was voted down. How could Merck have made millions when it never happened?

The fact is the Gardasil program is standard procedure in many states including mine, California. I didn't want my daughter to take it but the girls ( the wife & daughter ) told me to shut up so I did. No big deal.

IMHO I think Anita asked him to do it so he did. Women in general and nurses in particular are generally pro government health initiatives.

conservative
conservative

As a person who lost a family member to cancer--sized like a grapefruit, on a lung- and witness said member wither away as every function shuts down, I am INSULTED that these candidates are "pro-life" when they ignore the facts completely who is really pro-life. Please, leave the ignorance and fact failing to liberals. And if you are a liberal, get off that stage and shut the hell up.

Mike Leavitt
Mike Leavitt

I think it certainly helped Romney. Bachmann hit Mitt hard too, but not as devastating as the vaccination stuff with Perry. Perry was smart to say it was a mistake, but it was still a blow, in my opinion.

Eric
Eric

At this point Perry needs to be able to better defend this issue. Admitting to the mistake is a good start. He could follow with: "I govern a state with a large population of students with low income earning parents, partly because of the lack of border security priority by the federal government. Having it as an opt-in would not have forced insurance companies to lower the cost of the vaccine and those students most at risk still would not have received the vaccine. At the time I believed the cost to the state of Texas for the treatment of cancer far outweighs the costs and risks of mandating the vaccine. I should have let the Texas voters decide if my belief was right."

RCL
RCL

This is a tempest in a teapot. America doesn't give a rats ass about Gardasil compared to JOBS. What has that Ed Rollin's client ever done for jobs? Nothing. Talk. Besides she has no more right to the job than The One ever did. Way too inexperienced. She's a nobody. She's our nobody but, still, a nobody.

Trust me. It will all be forgotten when Sarah endorses Perry...

Larry Gibby
Larry Gibby

You obviously know a lot about talk and hot, useless air.

Larry Gibby
Larry Gibby

You obviously know a lot about talk and hot, useless air.

Kenneth
Kenneth

If Bachmann and Santorum have a problem with the vaccine in particular, why don't they just come out and say it? "I'm against Gardasil." That's all they have to say, but then they'll have to explain themselves and that's where they could end up sticking it to themselves. I mean it's a vaccine against an STD. There is really only one reason for them to be against it... that is unless they're anti-vaccine in general.

Santorum is correct that we require students in public school to maintain vaccines according to a particular schedule to prevent the spread of communicable diseases -- MMRV, DTaP, Polio, and a couple others. So why should Gardasil not be part of that equation? Bachmann hits Perry on the apparent conflicts of interest behind his executive order while Santorum makes it sound like he's against the vaccine period.

Where Santorum should have stopped is just in saying that it was the wrong policy, and I agree in part. Gardasil should be on the vaccine schedules for public schools, but by going through the proper legislative process, not by executive order.

Larry Gibby
Larry Gibby

How can you equate Gardasil with vaccines for measles, whooping cough, polio or tuberculosis at grade school level? You might want to do some legwork on it.

Kenneth
Kenneth

I have done plenty of legwork on vaccines, including this one. If Gardasil is similar to any other vaccine currently on the schedule, it likely would be tetanus, against which individuals are vaccinated as part of the TDaP triple vaccine (tetanus, diphtheria, acellular pertussis).

Larry Gibby
Larry Gibby

How can you equate Gardasil with vaccines for measles, whooping cough, polio or tuberculosis at grade school level? You might want to do some legwork on it.

Mike Leavitt
Mike Leavitt

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but unless a girl is having sex, how can this disease be passed on? In other words, how is it the government's responsibility to protect against STDs?

A parent should choose, with the council of their own, private, doctor whether they want their girl to have this vaccine. Not mandated by the state. I agree with Santorum. Let's have an opt in, not an opt out.

Kenneth
Kenneth

All other vaccines are opt out. If you want your child to attend a public school, the vaccine schedule is required unless you have obtained exemptions.

Contrary to Santorum's words, parents can get a waiver for the Gardasil vaccine by following the mandated process for it. Perry's executive order did not change that. Instead what he tried to do was amend the vaccine schedule established by the Texas legislature without going through the legislature.

And did you know that there are over 120 types of HPV identified? Not all of them are sexually transmitted either. The vaccine targets 4 of those 120: types 6, 11, 16 and 18. The latter two are known to cause cervical cancer and other cancers of the genital area, while the former two can cause warts and benign tumors called papillomas in the genitals and other parts of the body.

So the vaccine is actually protecting against more than just cervical cancer, but other potentially recurrent issues.

[Source: Wikipedia - Human Papillomavirus]

Further vaccine programs are one of the few areas of public funding with a positive net benefit with regard to the health care sector.

Natassia
Natassia

The unspoken assumption is that adolescent American girls will be sleeping around.

Natassia
Natassia

The unspoken assumption is that adolescent American girls will be sleeping around.

Don Bethune
Don Bethune

Dummy?? Really?? Shows an amazing level of maturity and intellect as would be expected based on your earlier comment. My candidate is the ONLY candidate from both parties that is NOT bought and paid for, and that actually gives a crap about this country, the constitution, and it's future. The only people who deny it and bash him, are the ignorant, uninformed main stream media sheeple - Ron Paul. I know, I know...he doesn't have pretty hair or read well from a teleprompter or from the talking points pre-prepared for him like the rest of the robots....but he is the only honorable human being in this race.

Don Bethune
Don Bethune

Dummy?? Really?? Shows an amazing level of maturity and intellect as would be expected based on your earlier comment. My candidate is the ONLY candidate from both parties that is NOT bought and paid for, and that actually gives a crap about this country, the constitution, and it's future. The only people who deny it and bash him, are the ignorant, uninformed main stream media sheeple - Ron Paul. I know, I know...he doesn't have pretty hair or read well from a teleprompter or from the talking points pre-prepared for him like the rest of the robots....but he is the only honorable human being in this race.

RCL
RCL

Unlike the Canandian I don't mind calling names when everyone knows it's the truth.

Paul Nut loser trash. Typical castrated anti-social POS geek freak. Go to hell.

RCL
RCL

Unlike the Canandian I don't mind calling names when everyone knows it's the truth.

Paul Nut loser trash. Typical castrated anti-social POS geek freak. Go to hell.

AmericanborninCanada
AmericanborninCanada

I'm not going to call names, but I think Paul needs to learn more about Islam if he intends to stick it out in this race. He's very smart in areas, but this is not one of them.

AmericanborninCanada
AmericanborninCanada

I'm not going to call names, but I think Paul needs to learn more about Islam if he intends to stick it out in this race. He's very smart in areas, but this is not one of them.

Larry Gibby
Larry Gibby

Not just Paul. It would appear that Americans and Canadians alike are sodden with islamic propaganda. If it were possible to bring people to their senses about this scourge , we might have a chance to avoid a lot of misery. Islam is nothing more than a political system traipsing around in the trappings of a murderous militant religious organization bent on world domination.

I offer these:

Mabu Imran, leader of Sharia4Belgium -

“Because we are Muslims and thus we are victors, who are here to dominate. And those who cannot accept the dominance of Islam will have to leave. For my part, to hell.”

Anjem Choudary, leader of the in England banned Islam4UK, sounded very threatening in Antwerp.

“We will only rest when the flag of Islam flies everywhere.”

NAZIs/Islam

http://www.tellchildrenthetruth.com/gallery/

Hitler Youth

http://tinyurl.com/3mq92a3

Bare Naked Islam

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/

Hamas Child warriors

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB7nMZOjxyw

Hamas summer camp

http://tinyurl.com/3petykh

Then, of course, people could actually rely on their natural investigative tools - their eyes and ears but so far, those haven't served well.

Frederick
Frederick

I agree he needs to be better educated on Islam, but, he is utterly blowing it on foreign policy mainly because he fails to communicate what he is really trying to target. Because of his opinion on certain foreign policy questions such as terrorist controlled palestinian territory, his message about irresponsible US, and CIA involvement with foreign governments is lost. There is a legitimate point that can be made from an originalist perspective, but he is not articulating it well at all.

AmericanborninCanada
AmericanborninCanada

I thought he lost on that one as well. I do hope however, and I am no fan of Perry, but they've called him out already, made their points, so let's let it go now. Perry got a whoopin' tonight on it, and I think anyone who cares about the issues already knows this one. Let's let it go now folks. Please, because next time, it'll look petty.

Don Bethune
Don Bethune

Well, M_J_S , you are blind and completely uninformed for thinking that was a 'baseless accusation' and you've got a little research to do if you can't yet see that Perry is a scum bag sellout that cares nothing about anything except for campaign contributions, big government, 'Hillary-Care' style socialized medicine, and licking the boots of the corporate puppeteers that have their hand shove up the gaping hole in his back.

RCL
RCL

I'll have to add you to the list of brain dead zombies that trod the Right Scoop.

Is it the focus on video content that draws this gutter level cretin?

RCL
RCL

I'll have to add you to the list of brain dead zombies that trod the Right Scoop.

Is it the focus on video content that draws this gutter level cretin?

CitizenHill
CitizenHill

I'll wait and see how the dust settles and who's left standing with the most credibility before I'll make such a call