I agree, let's ban Bill Kristol from TV. I will take it a step further, let's ban him from the United States!
Murder is already illegal. Does Bill Kristol believe that a criminal who is willing to KILL will obey a mere weapon ban?
Knee-jerk reactions to tragedies are typical, but really Mr Kristol... think before you write.
If any class of firearm is to be protected by the Bill of Rights, it wouldn't be a "hunting" gun.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" never mentions the word "hunting" anywhere.
Plenty of people on the abdication side of the debate choose to ignore that "regulated" means the quality of their marksmanship training, choosing to instead believe that burdening the militia (unorganized and otherwise) with all manners of excessive administrative codes was an effective way to prepare an army to properly load, aim, fire and hit a designated target with repeatable accuracy and precision, in order to wage and win wars.
Currently, there really isn't another kind of rifle would better fulfill the intended use of the 2nd amendment but an AR-15/M4 type, in exactly the configuration, and with all of the accouterments, as used by servicemen in their duties and in qualification, and civilian Service Rifle competitors at Camp Perry.
It appears that Bill Kristol is turning into a David Brock. Maybe he will join Media Matters next. Maybe he is a CINO Conservative In Name Only.
Bill Kristol busy showing off his total ignorance of weaponry and proving that we can't trust certain people with protecting our rights because these people will always condition us to death in small duck bites.
The 2nd amendment was given to insure the people ability to revolt against their GIVERMENT... NOT for target practice or plinking..
I want to see a picture of the man that's strong enough to carry a 100 barrel gun that can "fire 100 bullets at a time"! It's obvious Kristol doesn't own a gun and seems to have fallen for the ban the gun mantra!
so little Billy doesn't understand that the 2nd was designed to allow us to protect ourselves from an over bearing central government? too bad but that is the reason why the 2nd was added to the Constitution and it also means we should be allowed to own whatever the government owns,
It is only recently that I have begun to understand this.
I never understood what a well regulated militia had to do with me.
It was a slow process but the creeping socialism / Marxism has shown me.
We need to protect ourselves from an overreaching government that
threatens our liberty. I understand now. Our present government
with it's lapdog, corrupt, and devious press is frightening and dangerous.
The old cold dead hand thing comes to mind.
First they came for the so-called "automatic assault weapons" and I did nothing because I didn't own one.
Then they came for the high-capacity "assault weapon" and I did nothing because I didn't own one.
Then they came for my handgun and there were no gun owners left to defend me.
Now I am no longer a Free Citizen, I am an unarmed subject of the government.
BTW, all guns are assault weapons. If a criminal used a hammer to attack someone that would also be an assault weapon. Heck a toothpick could be an assault weapon in the right hands. The media hyping this "assault weapon" is code for "this gun should be banned!" They never say the truth: Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
Lord, I really hate the inside the beltway mind set. It's time to drive ALL of them out. I don't care if the initial is (R) or (D) after their name, it's time to clean house in every aspect. From elected officials to the so called media - they all need to be knocked off their ivory towers.
..so very glad I went off the grid over the weekend. I think I would have stroked out if I had to read/listen/process all this crap. The guy is an insane, evil SOB who needs to hang at the end of a noose. Period.
No one on any of these talk show formats ever, ever, ever discuss why people buy high powered arms. Having said that, if I hear another lib say "why does anyone need a 100 shot cylinder, high capacity clip, etc ....?" as justification for their comment, I am going to pop a vessel in my frontal lobe. Govt (local and state) can make laws to punish an act of violence. Beyond that:
IF I AM A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN, THEN I GET TO DECIDE WHAT I NEED AND WANT.
I detest Bill Kristol. Everytime I hear him I cringe....he is hurting the Republican cause and needs to get off of his high horse!
We should not be distracted. Kristol is again going down the path of trying to define the mythical "assault weapon". A path that even the subversive California politicos have failed miserably at.
Instead we should pay attention to the new attack the media is leading. Nearly all of the news stories subtly mention that the shooter got his ammo from "the internet". That he was getting "one package" delivered after another.
They plan to to use this to control sales of ammo, magazines, and gun equipment over the internet. A double attack on us! Internet and guns!
12 people (likely illegal immigrants) killed in one truck today.
we see how banning illegal immigrants has not worked so lets ban trucks.
better yet, if that damned tree had not been there everyone would be ok.
The Left loves to "ban" things, and they hate "freeing" things. If it were up to the Left, everything under the Sun would be banned, until you had no idea what's banned and what's not banned, and so end up becoming a criminal by default - at which point the Left have you by the balls because they'll exploit your sense of guilt, and can imprison you at will.
excellent point you are making.
This is yet another example of total and absolute failure of the all that the statists have told us only they can solve.
Create a crisis and they tell America we must turn over more power and money to them to turn it into yet another crisis.
Time to ban them and their propaganda media.
Kristol is a fine example of the following:
II Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 3:4 Traitors, heady, high-minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 3:7
As long as you're not violating the individual rights of others, then you have a right to buy/own/use ANY gun you want. Even if your only reason is that they're "fun" to shoot, you're pursuing your happiness, and so therefore government should leave you free to do that.
Kristol is obviously not a gun owner. And lets be honest, the shooter in CO could have done a lot worse with what he was carrying. If he would have had just a pistol he could have killed the exact number of people, maybe not have wounded as many, maybe he would have killed more. It wasn't the "assault" rifle that killed people or the large capacity magazine that killed people it was that idiot. He did it. What if he had driven a car with homemade explosives through the front of the theater?? I mean to blame guns is again ridiculous and a knee jerk reaction by people who don't understand guns.
Their ignorance is frustrating. It doesn't matter if you have a high capacity magazine or not. You can just have a bunch of regular magazines (30 rd) for the rifle and still blaze away in great speed. We don't carry hundred round drums overseas we carry 30 rd magazines and can shoot just as fast as our fingers can move. Drop the mag, slap another one in and continue. You can change magazines in maybe a second or 2.
Where's GB Way to back me up on this?
Edit: and no gun shoots "100 bullets at a time". Even machine guns take a few seconds to get to 100 bullets you idiot, Bill.
I think Kristol was, in his ignorance of firearms, refering to 100 round magazines. I never liked him because of the way he sneers at the others on these panels, especially Jaun Williams. And I'm no fan of Williams either. Like K-Bob said, limits are an infringement. George Washington specifically stated that the second amendment was to prevent another tyrannical government like the one we had just gotten out from under. If Big 0 or another socialist like him takes over, the honest citizens of this great country are going to be wishing for something a lot bigger than "a gun that shoots a hundred bullets at a time."
United States Constitution: Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
It does not say- except for semi-automatic weapons..
Gun control does not prevent deranged criminal people from getting guns, it prevents the law biding citizens from getting guns.
This is one of the reasons why we have the US Constitution's 2nd Amendment, ie; the right of the American people to have guns/ bear arms, to allow the citizenry to be armed as individuals, and to assemble as needed against govt tyrants, criminals, and anyone else who becomes a real clear and present threat and danger to their families and freedom.
Guns are guns. I can kill you with an automatic weapon or I can kill you with a nine millimeter. Question you have to ask yourself is, why would I want to, if you are minding your own business and I am minding mine? Why this very basic thought never seems to enter into the dialogue, amazes me. Okay, I will give you the fact that for every ten or twenty normal people in America, there is one crazy person. So, the rest of us have to live under laws based on that one crazy person in twenty? Give me a Goddamned break. Electrify the sonofabitch. Send him to Heaven or Hell or whatever he deserves, but don't punish the rest of us for one or two crazy bastards who happen to inhabit the planet alongside the rest of us. Forgive me Lord, but these people make no sense, that I can see.
I read and reread the 2nd amendment , I did not find the part that says unless Bill Kristol disagrees.
What is he talking about? The Aurora murderer [I will not repeat his name] had an AR-15 and a big drum magazine for it... but he still had to pull the trigger to fire each round. It was a semi-auto.
Fully automatic weapons have been illegal since the gangsters during Prohibition used them to such dramatic effect. Nowadays, of course, you don't see Thompson submachine guns, you see UZI and MAC-11 machine pistols, that fire even more rounds per minute than the old Tommie Gun. They are nice weapons: the Secret Service uses them to protect the President.
The Aurora shooter was not a professional criminal: all his weapons were purchased legally during the two months before the massacre. He passed the background check: he's never been committed. He's a weirdo, but really, this is the US, and he's from California: how weird does one have to be to warrant being reported to authorities as a danger to oneself and/or others?
He's the right age to have suffered a sudden schizophrenic episode; these cannot be predicted. Dropping out of school, wiring his apartment to explode, buying guns and a costume to suit carrying them (apparently none of it was Kevlar; it just looked cool)... all apparently well within the capabilities of a previously-normal person...
Colorado has the death penalty, but I doubt it will apply in this case. Life without parole, locked in a small concrete box for the next 50 years or so, sounds like a fate worse than death to me.
actually fully automatic weapons are legal to own. You just have to apply for a Class III FFL and the ATF can come check on it when they want and there are certain rules that apply towards it so it's a pain in the ass to legally own one but it is possible.
Life without parole, locked in a small concrete box for the next 50 years or so, sounds like a fate worse than death to me.
only if you don't believe in Hell. Where this guy is going he will wish for that small room.
"Life without parole, locked in a small concrete box for the next 50 years or so, sounds like a fate worse than death to me."
That's probably true, but I hate how prisoners are babied now. Take away their weight stations and cable t.v. and put them on a chain gang doing hard labor....for free. All prison does is make better criminals. I want them to be afraid to go back. This guy will never get out of prison, but I would rather see him get the death penalty. Screw the 20 years at a million dollars a year holding them, just take him to the back room and put a bullet in his head. All the crap we go through to put someone to death is nonsense.....at least in cases where we are 100% sure we got the right man (such is the case here).
Death penalty would be good revenge, of course. But I don't want to pay for all his appeals on MY dime, and lawyers get rich. Nah..... just give him life without the possibility of parole and put him in the prison "general population". I'm sure the inmates would be more than happy to take care of it.
"He's the right age to have suffered a sudden schizophrenic episode; these cannot be predicted."
A friend of mine mentioned that to me the other day. But after much thought, it made a lot of sense. Most parents keep their children in check trying to teach them proper behavior and control. But once they get out on their own, who can predict what direction they will take?
Agreed. I heard someone say that him being a bat-man freak wanting to act out his fantasies could have been a red flag. Are they kidding me? Lots of people are weird like that and almost none of them are killers.
I'm with you. It doesn't give him an excuse. He did it and got caught, I don't care WHY he did it. My point was, people can do evil things that cannot be predicted like so many of the shrink talking heads are saying. Someone else isn't to blame for his actions, only he can be held accountable.