What Bill has proposed here is very attractive, but after careful consideration, I do not think it can work. It is based on the assumption that the ruling class will allow us to continue to go our own way, operate our parallel society and prosper, so long as we pay the taxes that they demand and do not break their laws. That last point is the rub.
They will not allow us to have our own educational system. They will insist that our children be educated in the state system of indoctrination. This is already seen in Germany and Scandinavian countries where home schooling is severely frowned upon or completely outlawed. We will not be able to have our independent, truth-based educational system functioning when our children are in government schools for 8 hours a day. To take our children out of the government school system will put us in conflict with the law.
Similarly, if they see us setting us a space program, they will simply pass legislation making all space project the exclusive domain of the government. Bingo! We are in conflict with the government if we continue.
The point is, they will not allow classical, free, virtuous Americans to continue to live freely in this country any longer. They will observe whatever we attempt to do, and promptly outlaw it in one way or another, so that they can control us. Control is what the communist society is all about in the first place, and they are not about to let us slip away so easily.
It was a great idea, but I think it overlooks the essential communist desire to control and dominate all of the people.
Scoop said "...I’m sure it’s awesome."
That is awesome awesomeness !
Everyone looking for a real way forward should watch this , I know it's long and he tends to ramble here and there . I found my self saying " get on with it " BUT it's all worth it !
Great Ideas ! Things that can really be done .
"I am not gonna let these bastards steal this country ! They can steal the government but they're not stealing this country , they're not stealing this idea !"
Gee Bill, I am a big fan of yours, but I have a real problem with homosexuality, don't you know that the promotion of homosexuality is part of the leftist plot to turn us into a nation of godless heathen?
Second video VERY thought provoking: Build parallel structures that eventually supplant those now controlled by the liberal behemoth. I wonder how Christian faith fits in with all this as I believe one of the ways, if not the only way, to change corrupt hearts to virtuous is by spiritual rebirth. A third Great Awakening could turn hearts in the same way the first one did. It was unforeseen by populace at large, but swept through New England like a fire, brought on by the prayers and efforts of a pious few.
Much to think about.
When he says about people that live in NY skyscrapers and over the hill in Hollywood: " I know these people - their entire lives are about orgies and hot tubs and doing all the cocaine they can do " I lost it. This guy is a member of the Lollipop Guild!
Sorry, but he's as delusional as Donald Trump.
Wait, ok, maybe the hot tubs. mmmmmmm hot tub.
Look at what they allowed to happen! Enough is enough. I don't think it's courageous to continue supporting the Republican party; I think it's stupid and insane. Supporting the Republican party DOES NOT WORK. Insanity is doing the same thing but expecting a different result. This is insanity. No more, I say. No more!
I'm not going to listen to anyone who says "Continue the fight! Fling yourselves out of the trenches and into the machine gun fire!" It's stupid to do that.
Courage? Try having the courage to start with a clean slate. Try having the courage to embrace a change in party (to a principled and non-moderate one), rather than just stick with the same old rotten (corrupted by liberalism) party.
This may sound a little harsh, but if Bill Whittle had a radio show and it was on at the same time Rush, Hannity, and Levin were on - I would listen to Whittle's show. Don't get me wrong, I love Rush, Hannity, and Levin, but for real wisdom and insight in matters that count, Bill Whittle is head and shoulders above the rest.
I still haven't eaten since the disaster hit on Tuesday night. I hate to keep being the guy with the dose of reality but Bill Whittle is dead wrong on this one. IT IS OVER, DONE, FINISHED. We don't come back from this one. Obamacare cannot be overturned now. It will go into effect and for the rest of our lives the Democrats will tell people that if a Republican gets elected they will take your healthcare away. The Takers in our society have us outnumbered by a wide margin. Obamacare will be just like Social Security, a sacred cow that can never be touched no matter how bad things get. Stay asleep America, waking up just makes it worse.
This was extremely tough. We're all trying to figure out how to deal with it in our own way. I'm saddened by all the stories of despair that I've heard here. The day after the election I felt totally devestated. I can understand your feeling to give up.
The thing that convinces me not to (in my more optimistic moments) is when I look at these libtards all around us and realize we are giving them way too much credit. Sure they are winning, but they are flawed human beings just like the rest of us. They are different from us in that they lack any virtue, integrity or honor which has given them an advantage in this fight. But they are not perfect. They're not even particularly smart. They benefit from the power of groupthink which has allowed them to get the upper hand for the time being, but they are only human.
The closest thing we have to a liberal super villian is probably George Soros (a liberal Lex Luthor, if you will). But he is only human. How can he or any group of statists truly control the actions of free people? They rely on other human beings to carry out their grand schemes to accumulate more power, and their hubris is to think that they can control us.
I remember how when I was growing up, the Iron Curtain seemed to me to be a permanent feature of the world that would never go away, but it did. Thank you Reagan, for seeing the weakness and unsustainability behind the facade. If the Iron Curtain came down, these intellectual lightweights that now have the upper hand will certainly fall.
We have to keep fighting the good fight. It IS a disaster, but so were so many other catastrophes that befell our Country. If everybody gives up, then THAT'S when we're done!
It's bad, it's really bad, but please eat something!
I was physically sick after this election. I could not believe that a majority of Americans reelected this marxist. All I could think of was Abraham Lincoln's quote about preferring to move Russia or some other country where he could "take his despotism whole without the base alloy of hypocrisy".
That being said, I have resolved to make a difference. And I think it should start with local elections. Do everything you can to improve the local community first, then the state where you live. This is truly how grassroots movements start. Nullification of overstepping federal mandates is possible if you have the right state government. I had no real worry that my state would go for Obama, and it did not, but the county map was enlightening and showed a narrower margin than I thought was possible.
If we secure the local and state elections, then national elections will have better results. That is my theory anyway, I hope I am headed in the right direction.
I listened nearly an hour into the hour and a half longie. Yes, I was playing "MooShu Tiles" while I was listening, so perhaps I didn't grasp EVERYTHING. I liked some of what he said, and adore Whittle generally, but it seemed like kind of a pyramid scheme - and an unrealistic one at that.
Would love to hear from someone who listened to the whole thing and grasped every nuance.
SoLongSong, I listened to the whole thing. The parallel space program, schools, etc., he spoke of -- I just don't see it being feasible. He's never going to get 10 million people to pay $9.95 a month to attend virtual schools online. I have 3 kids and can't envision them having attended school via computer their whole lives.
BTW, it IS possible to send your kids through the public school system and liberal colleges and still have them emerge as non-liberals. I have 3 kids to prove it, though I wouldn't call any of them "conservative" in every way, which is why I don't like that "conservatism" is the term applied to anyone who is not a liberal. There are non-liberals everywhere, but not all are conservative on every issue. The common factor is that we are FREEDOM loving, constitution-loving patriotic Americans, and that is how I would describe my 3 non-liberal kids who all voted for Romney. But I wouldn't call them conservative, and maybe we need to learn something from that.
THANK you RSR! Much as I love Whittle, I was thinking the same thing - that it wasn't feasible. I did't know if I'd listened to the whole thing if there would be more to his plan, so thank you for letting me know.
Conservatism. Hmm. Perhaps we can call it "Americanism" or "Foundingism" or "Freedomnistas". Whatever it's called, I think it's what needs to be taught at home, as you obviously have done and as I try to do with my own son.
Thank you for taking the time to let me know.
I made it about 20 minutes before I really couldn't listen any longer, and here's why: if the smartest and brightest are now trying to tell us that THIS is what the issue is -- that we've culturally lost a sense of virtue -- then I have to ask, "Did you seriously just see this now?" Everything Whittle sights in the 20 minutes I listened (and I'm gonna listen some more to see if he starts singing a different tune) we knew going into this election cycle, and everything he's said thus far was precisely why Conservatives were standing against Showbama as well as having trouble giving a full endorsement to Mitt Romney. If we're just going to stand around and continue to hash out (a) why we lost and (b) what we could've done to not lose, then we're really just wasting time.
I'll listen some more, though ... as long as I can take it ...
Taking a little break is good advice, as is going forward an 'mowing the grass' again and again.
However, I take issue with one aspect of 'not looking back'. Yes, recriminations are futile now, but we must see that it is necessary to find out why this went wrong.
I refuse to believe that thousands upon thousands were wrong in what they saw, big crowds for Romney, nothing for Obama, for example.
I refuse to believe that the talking heads were not scared out of their minds when the first results came in: we saw that.
I refuse to believe that the skewed polls were right - just because some miraculous results 'verified' them.
So I think it is necessary to find out who skewed the results (99% voting for Obama in one locale in Philadelphia? Really?), who recounted to turn over previous results, as in the case of Allen West, to find out how many votes for Romney ended up, electronically, for Obama.
As for going forward, there's got to be one major thrust, and that is against the corrupt media. They must not be allowed to dominate the narrative, such as 'Obama had the marvellous ground game'. Did he? Why then did he lose so many votes compared to 2008?
They must not be allowed to 'elect' the GOP candidate for 2016 already, giving the socialists ample time to prepare for him.
They must be held responsible for their utter failure of reporting anything which should have damaged Obama.
And for us - we must leave no stone unturned, and should stop being cowed by the socialists everywhere just because they will start calling us nutjobs and other charming things.
The corrupt MSM won't even try to get at the truth, the New Media are scared of being vilified (as if they weren't anyway), so it's up to us.
We're the Resistance now.
We have to start fighting fire with fire, to your point. We have to lose this posture of the party with virtue. We can still have it, but with some enemies, you just have to get down and dirty to defeat them!
It's high time we learned that lesson.
I'm with you. The last couple weeks of huge rallys in the swing states- who were those people?
Why did my town flip Republican? After years of being liberal? So did another posters (DebX)
I dont get what just happened. I read that Gov Romney is shell shocked. He was ready, prepared- fireworks, web site, transition team.
All I can figure is Obama never really left the swing states and high electoral states. Since 2008 he kept not only his ground game, but his under current. He had people there milling around, "coddling" his base, throwing them bones, keeping them happy.
I am so sad.
And then he leaked his transition website so Barky Boy could copy it. And Barky did and has gone running with Romney's ideas, again.
OMG yuck! So these young kids are going to see massive waste and ego stroking all the while 23 million + 1 or 2 million more will be out of work. What kind of lesson is that?
Did I tell you that my son- who teaches Humanities had put together an educational travel club- and the first trip is…guess where???
To the Inauguration. Yep…5 days, all over, with the "highlight" being the swearing in ceremony.
He called me to say the min Romney conceded he sent a text to the other teacher going with him, that he was feeling sick, and couldnt go.
The other guy, said---uh, no way- you're stuck, just as I would have been if Romney won.
It's okay. I'm over it and planning for 2014 and 2016. I truly see this as an opportunity for us to have a truly Conservative candidate.
Excellent post! In an odd way, not being able to believe your own lying eyes has become the norm, and one has to shake oneself and remind oneself not to just accept what you're being told.
The enthusiasm/crowds for Romney were WAY above Obama. Same with signs!
I think a lot of the reason republicans don't speak up more is the blaring bullhorn manned by the MSM - which, as you said, calls us all sorts of lovely names, and the name-calling "takes" for the low information public.
The tea party should take on the MEDIA next. Obama, etc., wouldn't get away with EVERYTHING, would not have even been elected in the FIRST place, were it not for them.
Well said, colliemum. You hit the nail on the head.
One has to wonder how the pollsters got it just right (they are now saying the polls were matching what was really out there). Think about that. How did they know? They took their polling responses, and formed the polling numbers based on a certain demographic (that was skewed more Democratic than '08). Where did the initial skew come from? And how did it 'miraculously' end up just like the final results, when everybody was saying, "no, that's not right"?
We all saw the enthusiasm. We aren't isolated here on TRS, where we only see what we want to see and ignore reality. One thing I cherish about this site is that you all have a firm grip on reality. All around us the Dem enthusiasm was way down and the Repub enthusiasm was way up. It would be as if 2010 was so energized with the Tea Party and then when we voted, the Tea Party didn't show up. We would have been puzzled, for sure.
I'm crunching the numbers right now. It will take me some time. I need all the data from all the swing states. I need to compare Romney with McCain and see if it matches. I need to explore who did the national counting and who controlled the manufacture of the electronic machines in the swing states (I already have a half dozen or so links I'm exploring).
Here's a preliminary tidbit that will perk some interest. In Florida, the auto recount is cued at 0.5 %. Both Romney and West so far have lost by the exact same amount of 0.66%. That was just high enough to pass the allowed recount number, but low enough to not be questioned. What bothers me is that they are both exactly the same. Something that an electronic algorithm would produce. Hmmm...
I need time to finish all my research, but Scoop will be the first I come to with this 'scoop', even before I write the book and then disappear from sight (lol).
More, later. You are right. We are the resistance now (the New Guardians). We need to hold that banner high in the weeks and months to come.
I remember before Andrew Brietbart died he talked about having a huge march in NY in front of the main stream media, a sort of Tea Party rally that they wouldn't be able to ignore. It never came off. Someone in this thread I think also mentioned it.
If your research leads to proof of widespread voter fraud that cost Romney the election, this would absolutely be the time for a massive showing of people at the physical doorsteps of NBC, CBS, ABC, and CNN, absolutely DEMANDING they cover it (I.E. We aint leaving till you report this!)
Man, I'm impressed.
There have been a few voices in the wilderness here saying something's not right here.
I think most are so demoralized they just don't want to think about or don't know how to address this issue, but it needs to be addressed.
Even conservative media personalities that I'm sure we all have respect for (e.g. Levin, Whittle, etc.) Are not raising this issue, so it falls on us to at least challenge the narrative that poor voter turnout cost the election.
Please keep us posted.
And well said to you, nukeman60!
You're right in that many of us visit other sites as well, and the reports from all over the country were identical as to the enthusiasm.
The 'Citizen reports' at Breitbart on 11/6 all speak for themselves.
We know there are quite adept hackers out there - wouldn't surprise me if some got promised amnesty for a little bit of help.
I wish it were possible to interest some of the brilliant Israeli computer specialists to take a closer look ...
Orangeone, as someone who is familiar firsthand with the voting process and its vulnerabilities to voter fraud, would you agree that a good priority for tea party/conservative activists in the next 2 years would be to finally focus on cleaning up the voter laws, particularly in the swing states? Florida, Virginia, and Ohio all have Republican governors, but for how long?
It might be good if we could come up with a checklist of essential reforms that would have to be necessary to ensure a fraud-free (or as close as possible) electoral system. Perhaps all precints should be required to have life video surveilance. Obviousely, proof of citizenship to register, free access to voting locations for observers from both parties?
Really push these types of reforms, and if they get challenged by Federal judges, then maybe that needs to be the line in the sand where the states defy them and so no more.
Yes, we do need to learn from what happened. This may be part of the issue: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/08/Orca-How-the-Romney-Campaign-Suppressed-Its-Own-Vote
Orca? the killer whale? How ironic! This says that the Romney campaign was so incompetent that they suppressed their own vote! Yes, businessman Romney would have brought such superior managment to the US that without doing anything, business would surge forward and create jobs and prosperity.
Look, the 47% comment suppressed the vote just as much, that included disabled vets, the retired elderly, the middle class with big mortgages and more that a few children, those working part time and taking care of an sick member of the family, widowed moms. Lots of those folks might have voted for him, but he didn't seem to want them.
He must be and is loving being a dependent child to age 26. Won't he be in for a surprise when mommy says she won't pay to keep him on her health insurance because the cost is too high. I'm particularly looking forward to moms that say that to their daughters because the premiums are highest during those child-bearing years :)
I saw that earlier, and it is jaw-dropping, isn't it.
But again - this is used to 'blame' the republican voters, who did crawl over broken glass, who did queue in cold and rain.
Instead we should turn this round and ask how it is possible that a GOP campaign can be so inept, so technologically stupid.
We must not let the pundits and talking heads keep on perpetuating the myths about this and that group not voting, or that the party must become more like the dems, or that it's all the fault of the TEA party - for being too radical right as well as for not voting. Schizophrenic.
Odd, isn't it, that none of those figures ask if it might, just might, perhaps have been a major mistake to shut out Sarah Palin, to not let her speak at the RNC, to not let her campaign at all, perpetuating the lie that it was Sarah Palin who 'lost' it for McCain.
Time for the grassroots to rise up and sweep the old RINOcraty away.
I was part of the Boston team and I can tell you that it was worse than even the articles are describing. And there were many people out in the field - willing to crawl over broken glass - who were either angry or crying because they could not be effective.
Early on many of us warned that this idea - which was brilliant by the way - was not fully vetted or stress-tested. We did not go through scenarios fully. Etc. Depressing but true.
Well said Bill. As far as "not looking back," Project Orca was a disaster so huge it's hard to even contemplate. I regret very much getting involved with it. And hope to God that we didn't cost the election.
Looking forward, I must say that the most formidable thing in front of me right now is going to Thanksgiving Dinner and facing 20 uber liberal family members, most of whom I have argued with for years. Their "see, we were right..." smugness will be mighty hard to take. A small thing in the big scheme of things - but that's how these things unfold ultimately: personally, intimately. Because of this, I may not even go.
On the other hand, one of the key insights of Conservatives is that politics isn't everything; that it should be bracketed. And yet, they (progressives) are forcing their vision upon us and me; in the former Soviet Union, for example, even where you went to drink was a "political" decision; for them everything is political, and they are making this a reality here. That is not the sort of world I want to live in. But in order to avoid it, I have to implicitly act as if everything IS political. Catch 22.
I think about the Civil War: like now, these were not just normal political divisions (you want higher taxes, I want lower, etc.) Could you have spent time with your family, the rest of whom believed ownership of slaves is legitimate? I could not have sat across the table from such people. Maybe something is wrong with me.
To me, our situation approaches this^. HOw can I sit across from smug no-nothing drones who are destroying this country? How can I break bread with them? Love the person - hate the evil that moves them. Yes, but there are breaking points. I am not Christ.
HOw to be a happy warrior in all that? I'm not sure I can be anymore. :(
My sympathy for your situation. If you are a believer you are indeed Christ's ambassador. Don't worry-- he takes better care of his own than BO does his! Go to Thanksgiving and shine, beam and radiate the light that is inside you! God bless you.
I have a family that is allowed to say, do or act any way they please no matter how rude, offensive and disrespectful it is. I attempted to draw boundaries and was the recipient of hateful comments so I finally said "enough." My mother was angry but I wouldn't back down. I refuse to spend holidays with people who don't even have the decency to be considerate and courteous to other guests.
MrMicawber, I'm in the same boat, though my Thanksgiving table will have more conservatives than liberals. BUT, my friends here in liberal-land are mostly smug progressives. Every year I have a Christmas dinner here. My husband and I are the only non-liberals. I just don't think I can do it this year. It's not that I simply disagree with their view, right now I'm smarting from this loss, and I loathe them for their eager participation in the destruction of our country. They are otherwise good people because I've seen the very charitable side of them in other aspects of their lives, but they are typical, brainwashed liberals nonetheless, and I simply cannot work my a$$ off to serve a dinner to these people while they are joyfully talking at my dinner table about how great it is that Obama was reelected. I can't do it, so I won't.
My business partner is a hardcore left liberal. We know enough not to talk politics. She didn't say a word to me after the election. Thankfully, ours is a home based business, and she works in hers and I work in mine, so I have been avoiding speaking with her this week, all business being conducted via email. We have a good friendship, but she senses me slipping away. I can't help it. To me, she represents the WILLFUL destruction of our constitution because she actually DOES participate in politics, unlike some of the idiots who vote who cannot even identify a photo of our vice president! This makes it even harder, knowing she sees these moves to usurp the Constitution and agrees with it anyway.
I have a July 4th party every year with these same people, and I realized last night it's a farce. This July 4th, I will have constitution-loving people ONLY. The liberals will not be invited, and I plan to tell them why. We have to start standing up for FREEDOM every way we can, in every aspect of our lives.
Ah, so you would reject your friends because they disagree politically with you?
Personally I find hearing some different opinions kinda stimulating. Also gives me a chance to change a mind or two. My mind is open, so are my friends.
Obama has been good for business, or at least that is what Merrill Lynch tells me about my 401K. And the socialism thing? I work for a German company, so I see it in action. Works pretty good for them.
Somewhere I heard something that goes: " love your neighbor, even real little ones. Love them the way you love yourself."
Well said RosiesSeeingRed! As if you could ever escape hearing Leftist/statist drivel in our culture....lol!
You need to look at Germany's history for your answers. I might suggest 1928 as a good starting point.
Exactly! I have certain family members that tell me I'm somehow close minded for only listening to conservative media and that I need to listen to other points of view (of course they refuse to watch FOX. MSNBC is a particular favorite of theirs). I tell them I don't need to. I already know what liberals think all too well. I've spent most of my life listening to their vile attempts to manipulate. No more. Life's too short.
LOL, I should've taken my own advice! I'm going to be more disciplined. It's really effective in shutting them down. And lest Frank think I don't want to hear their point of view, let me just say, that's all we hear -- on the NEWS, in the movies, sitcoms, and talk shows. It's ALL their point of view. I know what it is, I don't agree with it, and I come to the RIGHT Scoop to talk to people on the RIGHT -- Not to brainwashed lefties.
Who's this Frank character? I was almost tempted to respond to him and expose his sanctimonious comments for the sophistries that they are, but then decided to take your advice to Wolfie about dealing with trolls.
Change has to stop when it reaches exactly where you like.
It isn't like the change to what you liked bothered other people (oh wait; it did; but their feelings don't matter).
I didn't say I'd reject them because I disagree with them politically. We've ALWAYS disagreed on politics, and we probably always will.
What I SAID was I'm not inviting socialists to my July 4th party because it's a farce.
I sure wish the people who want to live in a socialist country would just move to one instead of trying to change THIS one. You're all very selfish.
Thanks rosiesseingred for your most thoughtful response.
Part of me thinks that this is what we need to do - Beck gave the analogy of emergency procedures in aircraft: the first thing you do is put your own mask on. We cannot help people if we ourselves are lost. We need to focus on our own "gardens" - our own communities, businesses, families. We need to set our own "lands" right.
And to some extent, if not fully, perhaps that means walking away from relationships with Progressives.
I'm here in uber liberal Boston - and I'm even thinking that I should start a network of Conservative business owners and support them, instead of so many people/businesses who are rabid BO supporters. Why should I help them to thrive?
I wish he hold told Romney that. I was screaming every time Romney and Ryan were singing the praises.
It's a great idea. Being a conservative biz owner, I fired my Dem vendors and found conservative ones. I let them know why too because their votes harm my biz and I'm not going to provide them with financial incentive to do so. They were pissed and I was smiling.
advertisements should contain subtle messaging, just as the left's does. Any layoffs, rise of pricing, etc., should be followed up with PR releases directly linking the Obama administrations policies to these negative effects.
Well, I don't have an advertisement/marketing background, but I have already some easier & blunt lines which eventually are a start for social sites: "This economy/Obamarecession is brought to you by the MainStreamMedia, the Hollywood left and George Soros."
On the professional side: May I introduce you to Kevin DuJan of hillbuzz.org . He has to my knowledge a professional marketing background and might be able to help you with ideas.
(Unfortunately - although he was already fighting the Obama machine during the Democratic presidential primaries - he as well didn't see it coming that this year's voter fraud has enough magnitude that it tipped the election in several states without voter ID laws. I at least thought that the momentum was big enough to overcome voter fraud and that the BHO machine was enough beaten & demoralized that they couldn't pull it off.)
Kevin preaches things like:
* Remind people that every time they say or write the word “liberals” they are giving $5.00 in free marketing to the Obama campaign because independents think the word “liberal” is an open-minded, fluffy, good thing. Please help enforce the line that Democrats are lefties or Leftists. The more you call Democrats lefties and Leftists, the more independents and undecideds go running away from Democrats in droves. For all these years, every time you’ve said “liberal” you were calling cockroaches by the name “hug-a-bugs” and making them sound cute and palatable to far too many people. Knock that off, and get others to stop too…including prominent people like Rush or Ann Coulter who may have no idea how much they help Democrats every day by using the word “liberal” when what Democrats really and truly are at this point are LEFTISTS. http://hillbuzz.org/if-you-are-reading-this-you-are-the-resistance-and-your-talents-are-needed-these-last-few-weeks-71377
I once had a customer call my business and immediately ask for the spanish-speaking representative. (we don't have one) I answered her, I'm sorry, this is America. We speak English here, and we don't have a spanish-speaking representative.
She sighed, and then asked her question in perfect English.
I think that's a great idea to bring Conservative business owners together and support each others businesses. I also think conservative business owners' advertisements should contain subtle messaging, just as the left's does. Any layoffs, rise of pricing, etc., should be followed up with PR releases directly linking the Obama administrations policies to these negative effects. Customer service representatives need to name specific Obama policies in response to customers who call complaining about stuff. We need to push back at every level, everywhere we can, and conservative business owners have a lot of power to do so.
'...the most formidable thing in front of me right now is going to Thanksgiving Dinner and facing 20 uber liberal family members...' - mr m
At the very least, you can ask them why they think the market is tanking (now in it's third day since the election). Tell them, "I told you so" and walk away. They will have to take responsibility for what's coming up.
Sadly, Obama finally owns this economy.
I agree and yet I don't want to sound bitter either. Perhaps by Thanksgiving things will be so bad - and so obviously BO's doing - that showing up and saying nothing will itself be a kind of triumph. :)
Yeah, I knew you weren't. None of us here want what's coming, but we honestly see it, nonetheless. :(
I know...I was thinking as I press reply, maybe I should add that I am not cheering for a disaster. I don't want anyone to suffer. And yet maybe suffering is the only way people will wake up?
Sad, isn't it, that our only triumph is in how bad things are going to get. It's what we've fought so hard against. Watch us get blamed again for things that we strived so hard to prevent.