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Crap. Spanish? That won't be good for race relations because making such a major speech as the State of the Union response in Spanish on our soil is not what we're about.
It doesn't represent us.
Gosh.
Rubio lost me after supporting the Arab Spring.
He'd better wake the hell up and not become a RINO and cave in like he has been doing lately. The republicans have very few selections for a real conservative president and I thought that Rubio was one of them, but not anymore. Rand Paul, Chris Christie, Allen West and even Herman Cain. These are true conservatives.
The two things going for Rubio over Mitt:
1) He was born in a Cuban family with a nice story that he didn't find nice enough.
2) The checklist-based format of Senate vote indices gives one much more room for grandstanding than having to face up to the realities of governing against a liberal majority while sticking to principles.
Will he have Charlie Crist and Jeb Bush sitting beside him?
Or perhaps he'll try to convince us about his Conservatism based on casting a vote to raise taxes $4 trillion with virtually no more spending cuts, essentially threatening Obama with bigger tax increases than he asked for.
Just another Romney-RINO/Socialist-lite pushing amnesty for 30 MILLION ILLEGAL CRIMINAL ALIENS.
NO THANKS!!!!!
“In a society of COMMUNISTS, you DO NOT fight back by creating more sheep!”
So, not that anyone cares that much but here's my last post. This is a copy of my message to Right Scoop regarding them allowing two identical forum identities. Any other "Richard" posts after this one ARE NOT ME!.
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Some one is posting under my forum profile name "Richard".
Since all these messages are being tracked and archived I consider the duplication of identities you've allowed to be a serious breach of my privacy.
I'd like to delete my profile completely ASAP.
I didn't post this either!!!
Who the f* maintains the profile security on this site? How can you allow Two "Richard"s?
Mr. Rubio: How are you qualified to be President if you are not a natural born citizen? Why are we not following the immigration laws already on the books? Who will subsidize all these new citizens from your amnesty plan when many go on the government gravy train? What makes you think new immigration laws will be obeyed and enforced? You are just another sleazy politician and will never have my support.
I didn't post this! What the hell is going on?
I don't buy that alien crap about Marco R. in any way.
Press one for English press two for Español....... I must hear it in my native tongues of Erie and Italian and German and French and Irish and Hebrew....... When the he!! are my native tongues going to be catered too
Rubio is the PAWN OF THE GOP. they are USING him like he is USING THEM.
Jeb Bush is speaking at CPAC. The GOP aka GROUP OF PROGRESSIVES is going to sell you and tell you it is the only way to win, Jeb Bush for Pres and Marco for VP.
CPAC- is not what it used to be. They have REDEFINED what a Conservative is. If being conservative is having Liberals in your party and your party moving further left, then they can have it.
Rubio WILL BE SPEAKING IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH. WE SPEAK ENGLISH, we are NOT a BI LINGUAL Country. Watch out WE WILL BE. Multiculturalism has hit the USA, like Sweden, Norway, England and you know how well it has worked out for them.
He will tell you that those Poor Little Children need to have Citizenship, because even though they were never Citizens, they are Americans because they have lived here their whole lives and how can you make them suffer.
It doesn't matter that they STOLE WELFARE, MEDICAL CARE, TOOK 20 Kids off their INCOME TAXES and got refunds of 20 Grand or more and sent it Back to Mexico, they STOLE their EDUCATION, and even though OUR MILITARY CANNOT get IN STATE TUITION, THOSE POOR LITTLE INNOCENT CHILDREN CAN HAVE IT and GET INCENTIVES OVER US CITIZENS CHILDREN !!
I AM SO FED UP.
Sounds like both. He will probably tape or delay one in Spanish. If he is going to pander in Spanish it does no good on an English only network.
It will be short:
Mis amigos. ¡Viva Amnistía!
Will there be a Tea Party response (a constitutionalist)? Because I'm not interested in anything GOP-related.
There is an ugly face showing itself from some on this page in regard to English/Spanish, they rather be for exclusion than be for inclusion of Spanish speakers in the national debate. It's very very ugly, speak English or Leave.. (And we are shocked when the left call us racists) That isn't the America I know, the America I know welcomes it's cultures and languages of others in this country. America wasn't made for English Only citizens. Not everyone that speak Spanish are illegal here, believe it or not there are many legal Spanish speaking citizens in this country. Very disappointed to see that on this thread from many people I respect on here..
I'm sorry, but I believe you are wrong. This has nothing to do with exclusion. As I said in another post earlier, we have always accepted others with open arms and they have come and learned our language in order to be a part of our nation. This is the first time in our history, when those coming in are demanding we change for them. That is not wanting to become a part of a country, that's wanting to turn the country into your own.
Go to most other countries in the world, specially Spanish speaking countries and as soon as you are outside the tourist traps, the only way to survive is to speak Spanish. And that's fine, that's their country and it should be expected. If you want to become a part of their culture, a part of their community, you should learn to communicate their way. It's arrogant to think that you can go to a foreign country and expect that they are going to turn around and become conversant in your language, just to make new comers comfortable. This is not an issue of exclusion, this is an issue of joining the mainstream of an all ready established community and country. By your argument, every nation in the world should provide for every other nation's language.
Speak english or leave really comes off as exclusion. Having a problem with Rubio trying to reach out to people in Spanish comes of as exclusion. That is not effective or tactful approach on this topic, IMHO..
I never said every nation in the world should provide for every other nation's language, I don't care about those other countries, I just believe America is better than every other nation on earth and our representative government is suppose to represent all of its people, from the majorities and minorities. And if trying to communicate better with others in another language other than English, there is nothing wrong with that.
No. And I was never talking about that... I'm not saying America has to speak other languages but if they (local/state governments/candidates) choose to do so there is no problem with that to help communities better communicate with its citizens. Really doesn't make any sense people have a problem with Rubio speaking in English first and then in Spanish. Nobody is left out and even more people are included in the debate, which is a great thing about America.
Would it be exclusion if Germany had it's leaders give these major speeches in German only, is Mexico expected to give theirs in English?
Ugly? Perhaps you should understand our intent before judging us.
I am first generation American from immigrant parents. My father spoke five languages. He made sure we were Americans first and spoke English first. My kids are half Cuban and two learned to speak Spanish in school as an elective, because they choose to.
My family knew that if we did not all speak English fluently, we'd all still be living in a 2 bedroom walkup in Brooklyn.
I love languages and admire people who speak many. I just get damn mad hearing government officials speaking and promoting the language of those countries who would occupy us.
It is their intent that should piss you off. Their intent is to build up another underclass of 21st century economic slaves in America - held down by the chains of government entitlement. Rubio is a snake. If "hispanics" are fooled by that snake because he talks slick in two languages, then they will deserve what they get.
I am not surprised that there are MANY Spanish speaking citizens here. I hear them everytime I go to the mall. That's fine if they choose to speak their native tongue, but the rest of us should not have to press "1" for English to speak to a representative of a government agency or my doctor's office. Learning the language would benefit them if they want to live here. We speak English.
America just isn't about the majority, America tries look out for the minorities as well, it's meant to represent all of it's citizens. It is a good thing to have the option of having someone able to communicate the best with you the best you could understand, whether you have to press a simple button for english or spanish, don't see that as an inconvenience or a problem..
It's not racist to expect to have a national language. If I went to Mexico or Guatemala or Argentina to live, I'd be expected to learn Spanish.
When I think of the Freedom in America, I don't even think of Mexico, Guatemala, or Argentina on the same level.. It's about Freedom, not the preferred language. In America, your life, your culture, your community should be able to speak the language comfortable with and understand the best, and it's okay for local/state/federal governments to assist them, as they try to do with English citizens as well.
No. You move to a country you learn the language, or don't communicate. Whatever you speak at home is your own business. Just don't expect the people who live here to CHANGE to accommodate YOU. How arrogant is that?
When in Rome, do as the Romans.
I'm an immigrant myself. No way would I ever expect the people of this great nation having to learn my language, or provide translation so I can vote.
LEARN THE FUDGING LANGUAGE!!!
"Freedom" doesn't mean that every public document or road sign or product label has to be in 30 different languages.
The problem stems from too many backward-thinking pundits and politicians who are stuck in the rut of using the language of the left. We simply do not have an "immigration" problem in the US. (Yes, we need to fix some problems with the immigration process and administration, but that's aproblem that falls well down the list in terms of seriousness.)
Because these knotheads keep falling for the concept of "immigration reform," when the acutal problem is illegal aliens who are NOT immigrants, then we see the anger and frustration evident in this thread. We are all sick of the pandering, lying, and outright fraud regarding our borders. Most people don't get into it deeply enough to recognize the real issue, so they resort to the kinds of criticism you are seeing.
If we had anyone competent running the conservative movement or the national party, the problems would be properly framed, and we could all discuss them more intelligently.
Plus the rinse and repeat of illegal alien amnesty over and over and over again. We must take care of American citizens before we look at any further immigration. It's nonsense to bring Indians here for technology jobs when we have more than sufficient supply of Americans to do the work (as an example).
I like your new word entrepreneuralism :) And don't we both know the power of the entrepreneur.
I like your positions, your thoughts, your insight, your ideas, how can we MAKE THEM SO?
Oh yeah, outsourcing is definitely a huge problem.
Another huge problem is the demand for ridiculous levels of qualifications, thanks to lawsuit abuse. A smart, clever kid with half a degree, like Bill Gates, can't get a job because they expect him to have a PhD or two now, to do the exact same work a normally-skilled person with a high-school diploma and some technical aptitude can do.
But this gets me to my usual rant against the big unies, and what a freaking ripoff they have become.
We need to get rid of the EPA and about half the government, and then let slip the dogs of entrepreneurialism.
I think I just made up that word.
We have 2 major sanctuary cities filled with illegals who do farm labor, landscaping, roofing jobs. Would love a round up, taxes going up again to pay for massive gov't welfare programs, including ObamaTaxes (and yes our libs will put them all on it)
We have a surplus of college-educated IT folks w/10+ years of experience and engineering folks I could send to you! What we are hearing from college kids staying away from IT is because of all the layoffs after the Y2K and that companies are outsourcing to India.
We have a shortage of skilled technology degree workers. But it's really freaking difficult for employers to get the Feds to allow real, productive, want-to-be-citizens in on H1-B and L1-B visas.
Educators I've spoken with at the graduate level say American kids shun the technology and engineering disciplines because they want high-paying jobs like they see doctors (massive debt), lawyers (good luck getting in a practice), and bankers (if you are #1 in your class at Wharton) getting. An awful lot of the engineering grads here are foreign nationals, and are going back to their home countries to work.
Meanwhile, the borders are a sieve, and they let in tons of "refugee status" immigrants who can't do anything but menial labor and vote Democrat.
Just for because, since folks have brought it up, here's my current thinking on languages in the US:
The government must be run in one language. Forget all the cultural crap, and assimilation arguments. The fact is, one cannot translate from English to any other language with 100% accuracy. This fact alone is crucial. We absolutely cannot have laws being interpreted based on language inconsistencies.
Any single language already presents difficulties when attempting to clarify law, policy, procedure, or standards. Some are worse than others, of course, but English has proven to be one of the better ones for the attempt to be clear, concise, and unequivocal. So it's a good language to keep and improve.
Spanish is a fine language for communication, and also for literature, music, and poetry. It is not as complex as English, so it does not provide enough in the way of improvements to clarity and precision to justify dethroning English as the standard for government.
But only one language will work. We cannot risk the mistakes that two or more interpretations would introduce in administering the law. We need a law or an Amendment insuring this.
But what about the assimilation argument?
We've had large groups of non-English speaking immigrants, such as first-generation immigrant Chinese, in this country since before the Founding. I don't have a problem with that. If I decide to go into some city's version of "Chinatown," and I cannot understand a store proprietor there, I don't get upset at the proprietor. I simply shrug it off and determine to either avoid the place in the future, or learn more about the language and culture there for the next time. That's liberty. I like it.
I actually enjoy cultural differences. It's why I strongly approve of my Christian brothers and sisters being able to maintain the identity of our culture, and will fight to the death to prevent the government from attempts to water it down or suppress it. However, I don't mind a community that's largely "latino" or "native American" or Chinese; provided they recognize my right to freely associate, freely travel the public thoroughfares, and freely and safely conduct business with whomever I will. Thus, the "Dearbornistan" types of communities ought to be reformed. This is America, not Saudi Arabia or Iran. We live by American laws here, and if you don't like it, leave. But I used to enjoy eating at Middle-Eastern restaurants, and going to their bakeries and shops. The more secular aspect of their culture is rich, and used to be highly artistic and romantic. The foods of the Middle East are amazing, and the old, old culture used to appreciate the sciences and math. So if the bloody, jihad fever ever abates, I would welcome the old cultures back with great appreciation.
But we must remain adamant about our own culture. We are not something to cast aside in favor of some mythical ideal. Obama's time will end soon. We must see to it such an affront to our history, and such a racism-soaked outlook of hatred and negativity toward free-thinking and liberty never happens again. To do that, we really do need more outreach.
We do need to learn more about other cultures so we can better explain our own. To that end, I am beginning to learn more Spanish, because I believe I can better evangelize for liberty by reaching out to Spanish-speaking people. Senator Rubio would be very good for this, but it will never work unless he tells them about our Constitution , and what it means. He must tell them why Capitalism is their path to prosperity. If he fails to do this, then he should be dumped at our earliest opportunity. What good is it to be another pandering special-interest party? We already have one of those destroying the nation.
No one can take to words like you and WordsFailMe. And you are correct on each and every front. In addition to one language for our laws, must have one language for our medicines. And you are correct, you cannot interpret 100%. This is adding a huge cost to health care.
Case in point. If you've not tried to learn American Sign Language and communicate with the hearing impaired, give it a try. There is not a sign for each word and the time it takes to spell out a word is incredible. It's a precious language, not frequently taught as the "foreign" language and thankfully we have great voice to typed translation software which is beneficial for this community.
You are also correct about Rubio. It's too bad that he isn't utilizing his Senate experience to teach other Hispanics the way Tim Scott is with the AA community. How this country could prosper if only....
Ted Cruz should be the one giving this speech. I do like Rubio, but he's been moving closer to that RINO fence.
This is a nice article on Rubio's now we don't need to enforce because if we enforce our immigration laws, more illegals will come here theory. http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/rubio-now-backing-away-from-enforcement-first-on-illegal-alien-amnesty/#.URLHTCQlKAw.twitter
In Spanish, to non-Americans?
Folks the only solution for the country and for the GOP is to enforce the law. And that means, deportation. Start deporting the worst of the worst, then work up to the "mere" idendity thieves and income tax evaders and illegal laborers.
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