Kirsten Powers performed rhetorical gymnastics today on Special Report which drew challenges from her colleagues, namely Bret Baier. When trying to explain how Paul Ryan’s Medicare plan will hurt old people, she said this:

POWERS: It will affect old people, just they’re not old right now. So they will eventually be old.

KRAUTHAMMER: They’re called young people.

BAIER: Currently they’re young people.

POWERS: Yes, but I will eventually be an old person who will need Medicare.

BAIER: You understand how silly that sounds?

POWERS: No it’s not silly, actually.

BAIER: But it’s only for people under 55.

POWERS: But the point is it’s a political point because it’s the old people who are voting right now that they’re concerned about.

BAIER: Of course!

POWERS: Right, but I’m saying like to pretend it’s never going to affect old people, it will affect old people.

She then does a 180 and goes on to defend Ryan’s argument as far as it appeals to people his age and younger and says Obama has no solution for them. But I how is that possible if it hurts old people that aren’t really old yet?

I think Kirsten is competing with DWS today for most incoherent argument on Paul Ryan’s Medicare.




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Lloyd Wingfield
Lloyd Wingfield

Kirsten Powers is another run at the mouth liberal. If she wants to know why the US Stock Market is at such lofty levels it is not due to Obama's brilliant economic plan. It is because the Federal Reserve has pumped TRILLIONS of dollars into Wall Street and the big banks. The Fed has funded the inflated rise in the stock market. Powers is as superficial as every other lame-brained liberal.

AtlEsquire1973
AtlEsquire1973

Poor Kirsten, my angel, I just want to pat her on her head and say,"oh, what a good little talking head, it'll be ok Kirsten, 8 years of Romney and Ryan won't hurt too much, unless you really like death panels, and communism. Good girl.

jerseyflash
jerseyflash

I remember on a Hannity & colme's show last year...Kirsten was asked...why do you like Obama....her answer..."I like his JUDGEMENT"...then questioned by Hannity again..."What do you mean Kirsten...new answer to Hannity's question...."I like his JUDGEMENT"...WTF are these people allowed to be on a talk show ??????....they should all go to the Schultz SOS (STUCK ON STUPID) Academy...

Wake-up America...Vote Nov 2012...because ONLY YOU can prevent the ZOMBIE from taking over

John C. Davidson
John C. Davidson

Now, Kirsten is representing the Democratic vision while Bret is moderating. Notice the difference in moderation at CNN. Their moderator always takes the Democratic position whenever they interview a Republican. That always leads to a stymied debate controlled by Liberal idealogy.

Laurel
Laurel

She needs to go to Debbie Wasserman Schultz for lessons on how to demagog and propagandize.

bobemakk
bobemakk

Tell Kirsten that 65 is the new 45. I saw the interview and was taken aback. Good for you Brett and Charles for putting her in her place in a professional way.

Dang
Dang

The politics of time travel!

Weapons grade stupid.

Hansome
Hansome

She is no Shannon Bream.

MiketheMarine
MiketheMarine

I am confused. Was she for it before she was against it? or is it the other way around? I'm so confused !

NYGino
NYGino

Mike, you think you're confused, I don't even know if I'm young or old anymore after listening to these lefties. Oh, the complexity of it all.

MiketheMarine
MiketheMarine

I am 42 and three weeks old. I am old? Oh, God, she called me old or will be old or something. Now I'm confused again.

MiketheMarine
MiketheMarine

I am laughing so hard at work that people are starting to look at me funny. Hahaha

Whitewolf2009
Whitewolf2009

Take the blue pill and lie down for a while... All will be good... All is right... :-)

anneinarkansas
anneinarkansas

I listened to her last night....she really did sound like Debbie Downer she was so confused.

stevenbiot
stevenbiot

Let's just say she's a pretty face, not a brilliant mind. Of course Ryan, and any self respecting adult, wants to dismantle every statist program, putting market oriented services in their place. These entitlement programs are eating up 10% of GDP. If workers are allowed choice, these entitlements will naturally go by the wayside. They aren't competitive; they are coercive government spending accounts.

Joengima
Joengima

I always viewed Kristen Powers as a liberal but not always blinded by her own liberalism.

"It will affect old people, just they’re not old right now. So they will eventually be old."

She just destroyed her side's argument by this comment. When DWS and others use the term "Old People" they don't mean 55 years old and older, they mean young people. And perhaps that's how we should fight back.

"When you say "Old People" are you talking about the current baby boomers or the next generation?"

She then ended up defending Ryan and citing how Obama doesn't have a plan of his own. It's very relieving.

Laurel
Laurel

Obama has a plan it's just people presume that it's supposed to save Medicare. His plan is to destroy it and make it all one giant socialist system.

dabbobean
dabbobean

I watched that yesterday....and surprisingly if you watch the whole clip she really comes around and makes sense at the end.

Powers has said some dumb things in the past but she is not as comfortable with the outright lies as are most Democrat Pundits.

....and she is also a little bit hot.

Rocco11
Rocco11

I fail to see what Leftists on set add to the discussion, don't we have a pretty good idea where they stand at this point? Hannity has the great Dinesh D'Souza on last night, and feels like he has to "balance it out" with Doug Schoen? Memo to Sean: the Truth doesn't need balance.

Whitewolf2009
Whitewolf2009

And to think, I recently nominated her to replace Bob on The Five.

But at least I got a laugh out of Charles' comment "They're called young people."

GetWhatYouPayFor
GetWhatYouPayFor

LOL Nuke! You are now deemed qualified for senior elected office, except for being obviously to smart for that!

WordsFailMe
WordsFailMe

She's like a snake trying to find her way out of an old fashion, aluminum ice tray.

I think she probably knew had an inkling of what it was she wanted to say but it slipped out of her mouth before she could get her teeth into it. Daniel Hannan mentioned Duck Talking the other day from Orwell's book. Duck Talking occurs when the larynx engages automatically without interference from the brain. Quack quack.

rgolich
rgolich

For a libtard, she's one of their least grating but here she does sound 100% stoopid. What left & right have to understand is, Medicare (and Social Security) HAVE TO, repeat, HAVE To change or the country may not EXIST anymore. Duh.

kong1967
kong1967

Actually, she said that. She said we need to explain to the younger generations that if we don't do something there won't be anything there for them when they retire. She gave credit to Ryan for having a plan because Obama has nothing to offer. I understood what she was saying, but she was a little clumsy at how she said it.

rgolich
rgolich

You're playing word games like her.........stop wasting time parsing verbiage. She's not an engineer, nor a mechanic, nor a doctor, nor a carpenter. Words are her craft; she speaks for a living. She got tongue-tied because she had trouble speaking the truth and tried to unsucessfully mask her real views.

She's on tv mainly because she's attractive. Her views are sometimes reasonable (for a libtard) but sometimes her views sound like those of a junior high school kid. I don't have time to waste of her insights, she's vapid.

kong1967
kong1967

Word games? I just said I understood what she was saying. In any case, she's a tolerable liberal. I hate most of the others.

kong1967
kong1967

She's basically right but I took issue with a couple of small things. She said it will hurt the future elderly but defended the plan after that and she acknowledges that Obama has nothing to offer. She should have said it will "effect" the future elderly. The second issue I have is that she claimed we say it won't effect the elderly. Wrong, that's not what we claim. It won't effect the current elderly, Kirsten. We never pretended that it won't ever effect the elderly, and this gives people years to prepare and still have their retirement set.

librtifirst
librtifirst

I am curious as to what people under 55 will expect to get for what they paid in. Personally, I would just like to opt out, because I know that 24 years from now, when I am eligible, the system will have already failed.

Since I will never use the current medial system for chronic disease care, any benefits will be useless anyway, because government and insurance companies won't pay for real health care. (alternative)

The republican answer to long term care needs to be a free market health care system that would severely reduce the cost of care. In other words "get government and insurance companies out of it completely".

It seems to me that republicans have compromised to the point of actually joining the left in continuing socialized care, just on a lower level than the left. "Repeal and replace" is not a good answer. "Repeal and repeal" would be much better. There is much regulation to repeal, not to mention government regulatory agencies to shut down.

These are real solutions, so lets get the pubs to follow suit.

kong1967
kong1967

I agree but "repeal and replace" just means that we will replace it with free market solutions. It is not meant to be taken as more government interference.

librtifirst
librtifirst

That is a nice catch phrase, so they need to give some specifics. It isn't hard to do. The only thing that I recall being mentioned is tort reform, and the most recent thing that we got from the pubs concerning health care was prescription drug coverage, while they keep competitive drugs from coming into the country, and hammer down on the alternative health care and natural supplements. Obama isn't the first one to do it.

I do realize that neither party will never take a stand for what is true an right. So This is all just "what if" talk. I suppose that it doesn't really matter what the subject is, they are always going to fall short of what my expectations and wishes might be.

kong1967
kong1967

Normally I think you would be correct that neither party will ever do what is "right", but I think times are changing. Politicians are always afraid to take on issues because it's the quickest way out of office if they try to do the right thing, and the right thing would be undone anyway once they were booted out and replaced by an ass kisser that just wants to get votes.

Now politicians are getting booted out (on our side only) for not doing the right thing. In he past I don't think Paul Ryan would have had a chance to become VP because he tells the public things they don't want to hear because no one getting entitlements wants to get cut. The public is getting it, so politicians will follow when they know that's the only way they will stay in office.

Keep working on getting the politicians to get it and keep our fingers crossed, lol.

Nukeman60
Nukeman60

Gee, Kirsten, you really don't have to worry at all.

Under Obama's plan, Medicare won't affect the young 'old people' because it will go bust in 12 years and the young 'old people' won't be 'old people' when it disappears from their lives, but will really still just be young people before they got old.

So you see, Kirsten, it's okay. Or am I just an 'old person' talking to a young person who's talk is 'getting old'?

kong1967
kong1967

You talked in circles but amazingly I understood you, lol.

thebeeishorrid
thebeeishorrid

What's up with the orange-hue Bret? That looks so fake, it's not even funny!

Boris_Badenoff
Boris_Badenoff

I thought he looked a bit strange in that vid... Bad make up job...

pat
pat

LOL. She is actually a sweet person in real life. She just does not know how to give an honest opinion yet.

TIMERUNNER
TIMERUNNER

we could call mrs powers a long term thinker. she lost me in the first 17 seconds.

break time, donuts and coffee.

white531
white531

I could be wrong about this, but I don't think so. Because of the internet and Conservative talk radio and Facebook and Twitter and well, you get the idea, the alternate news sources that are available to the American people. I think this new phenomenom is changing the dynamics of not only how we get our news, but how we react to it, via these new, almost instant, venues we have to communicate with each other. Not only in the U.S., but worldwide, actually.

Bimbo journalists are now beginning to appear as what they are, Bimbo Journalists. Because, it's not a one shot deal anymore, where they can say something stupid on television and it's forgotten the next day. We now have streaming video of how they made a fool of themselves and we can run it from now until Christmas. It's not just the six o'clock news in Kansas. It's streaming video on every computer in the world, for eternity. Why else do you think Obama wants to control the Internet? Because you can't hide from the Internet. The Internet is the big, ugly Monster sitting on your shoulder, every time you open your mouth and say something stupid, something Obama is familiar with.

More and more of these idiot journalists are going to find this truth in the coming days. Sadly for them, but happily for us, they don't have any other way of making a living. Welcome to the ranks of the unemployed, Bimbo. Now you know what it feels like.

effinayright
effinayright

I'm no Kirsten Powers fan, but if you listened to the previous segment she distinguished the political argument and the substantive argument. She said she found Ryan's plan to be one with substance, if debatable, while Obama has offered nothing.

She does sound a bit silly trying to make the argument she did, but my take is, she was saying that even under -55's might not accept the idea that anything needed to be done with Medicare, even though (as she agreed) they might wake up when they are old to find themselves getting nothing.

Kirsten, in my view, is gradually waking up to smell the concrete, as a few of you (but not me!!) have done after a really bad drinking bout. It's dawning on her that liberalism is failing and she's still struggling with that. AT LEAST she's struggling, so there's hope for her.

magicdixieranch
magicdixieranch

lol....they ain't got nothin'...just verbal gymnastics. but I LUV seeing them writhe & twist, y'know? like earthworms in the sun too long... hehe

Pyrran
Pyrran

You ever wonder how these people live with themselves? If I lied on a daily basis like this dope or debbie WS, or that press secretary, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.

It's sad really. If you knew any of these people personally, would you trust them?

Chuck Long
Chuck Long

Coherent, persuasive arguments are difficult to make when you purposely ignore the obvious.

On The Mark
On The Mark

Kristen is caught between a rock and a hard place because she's an honest liberal, which is virtually impossible. What it amounts to is she's been taught liberalism, but she's really too smart for it. I'm convinced she'll come around sooner or later. And, honestly, she's fine so I say keep hope alive.

She actually speaks positively about Ryan's message.

WordsFailMe
WordsFailMe

She reminds me of a popular and intelligent high school girl who is being sexually and psychologically abused at home but goes to school each day, puts on a game face and tries to keep up appearances.

She appears to be one living within a lie who cannot reveal it it even to herself.

suzy_que
suzy_que

I like Kirsten too and think she is so much better than shamu. However when she said she used to date weiner, I lost all respect for her. Can you imagine - weiner? Ugh!

AmericanborninCanada
AmericanborninCanada

Shouldn't there be like a Wall of separation between journalist (and I use that word loosely!) and state? I mean really! Something's not right when we have news folks messing around with politicians, for the whole integrity thing...

Oh but wait! That wouldn't be Constitutional.

Gerald Hanner
Gerald Hanner

I'm 72. I know how Social Security works. I taught Social Security for a decade at University of Nebraska. I know that Congressional Democrats and Obama are intent on gutting Social Security (especially the Medicare part).

What Obama and his allies don't understand (or maybe they do) is that most of the medical care in the USA goes to old people for a very good reason: the health of old people is declining as part of the natural course of aging. Mandating expensive health care insurance for young people is just a maneuver to try to pay for the health care costs of the elderly.