The Right Scoop
I respect Mr Cheney, God knows their time in office was a horrific time for them and the nation, but he could have used a term of respect. Not sure why he didn't, but some other term of endearment would have been expected from Mr Cheney.
Mr McCain and the republican party without Gov.Palin would have been a well done plated fish before he'd had a chance to make a ripple in the lake of voters.
My best to VP Cheney and his family, thanks goes to him for his service and dedication to protecting America from her Muslim ememies, foreign and domestic.
Sorry but It takes more than a slip of thought for me to abandon one of our 9-11-01 heroes, especially while "We The People" still have an on going war with the rad-muslim b@st@rds, who kill our men and women everyday, so no, no I don't give up the troop very easily.
Remember patriots if not for obama and the democrats , we would be hearing what a great hero VP Chaney and our troops are, but with this present scourg in government we see to much, too differently.
tea party patriot
semp fi
respectfully
sorry scoop wasn't wanting to break the rules but sometimes being humble isn't possible.
Scoop, as usual I am in agreement with your comments. I admired Cheney and Rumsfeld and think their input had much to do with keeping us safe in the war on terror, but I think Cheney is off base with his assessment of SP.
The only way he could have somewhat strengthened his argument opinion would have been to add that "With that said she still would have made a better president than Oboma, because he doesn't have a clue".
So now I see that Cheney will not be attending the Republican convention along with GWB, GHWB, and maybe Jeb Bush. Ok so Cheney says something totally dissing Sarah Palin and then he decides to not attend the convention? Oh excuse us for fighting back! Its definitely a new day for conservatives Mr. VP. They create stupid policies, pass them and then they don't want to held accountable! Well, good ridance and no thanks for paving the way for Obama who expanded many of the Bushs policies.
Cheney is just jealous because she can handle and aim a rifle better... much better... Than he can. :-)
If time in the Political Macine is the basis we are using the determine if someone is ready to be President, God help us all.
Cheney is typical establishment GOP. They are as frightened of Palin as the liberals! Palin would have been an excellent VP and she would have made McCain toe the line, something else that scares the h e l l out of the establishment Beltway crew. I doubt Romney will choose anyone as conservative or controversial as Palin. Romney is way too establishment GOP to make that kind of gutsy call. All we true conservatives can hope for is that the VP pick is not a RHINO.
I have to agree with Scoop here. I will take it a step further and that "WE The People" need to stop letting the good o;' boy politicians convince us of who is qualified and who isn't.
Palin was over matched by the process, the campaign, and the stakes. She did not prepare properly. These days she continues to pretend that she is smarter than she really is. You can see it in the vocabulary she uses. It is like she gets a word of the day and then uses it in a sentence, then goes on Fox and says that sentence.
He's not wrong, but if you take it in context, she was the most qualified of any of the candidates for president in '08.
Translation:
Sarah Palin makes our jobs too hard, she thinks we should read the Constitution and understand legislation before we vote on it. Maybe that was the way congress did it a long time ago but now it is so much easier to have somebody just tell us what to vote for.
She also tends to fire up people who think we are employed by them to protect their rights, making our job even more difficult. Who wants somebody like that around?
While we appreciate Palin helping us get reelected to our seats in 2010, she also brought in a bunch of idealistic new congressmen who we had to force rethinking on.
It's a lot of work in our old age, after all this time we know how to pass laws, I mean, golly, most of us have been here for decades and we don't really want to retire when we are getting these exclusive perks and payoffs, and walking back and forth from our office to sessions gives us the exercise we wouldn't get if we stayed at home in retirement.
You know, couldn't Cheney have used some of that interview time to say that obama was not qualified to be president and he's proven it for four years?
Cheney is sharp and is words are well thought out. There is a reason that he made this seemingly off the cuff remark. Is he trying to discredit her before the convention or is it more to discourage the Tea Party? Could it be even more sinister, he is after all, a globalist.
Dick Cheney just scored a goal on his own team, while helping to undermine Sarah Palin, the person that Democrats fear the most, along with confirming that Romney's strategy is to run against Sarah Palin and Barrack Obama in the general election with someone like Bob Portman or Tim Pawlenty as his VP nominee.
Now watch as Democrats applaud what Cheney said, the same individual they previously despised, because he has now crossed over and is helping to re-elect their guy, as the course that Romney has embarked on will most likely ensure Obama's re-election despite the best efforts of grass roots conservative leaders like Sarah Palin to defeat Obama.
What is troubling is that most "conservative" commentators and bloggers refuse to see what is going on and are unwilling to call out Cheney, the Republican establishment, Romney and his campaign.
I'll have to agree with Ken here, and point out that Cheney in no way "attacked" anyone.
It was an "own goal," for sure. With Republicans, like I often say: it's like watching a guy walk up stairs, who keeps stepping on his own necktie.
We will have to disagree.
To suggest that Cheney just happened to answer a question? Sure.
Senator McCain, accompanied by Senator Ayotte, during an interview on Fox & Friends in response to Cheney's "opinion" treated Cheney's remarks as an attack on Sarah Palin and himself.
In his response, while he did not say a lot, he made it crystal clear, that enough is enough. The attacks on Palin concerning her selection as VP need to stop now. He also was not impressed with Liz Cheney's "tweet."
IMHO Senator McCain drew a line in the sand and said no more.
Three observations:
- Romney best reign in his surrogates, which includes Dick Cheney, members of the Bush establishment and some of Romney's advisers who have gone out of their way to "slag" Palin and so insult McCain.
- Romney needs to do the right thing by Palin, the convention and a prime time speaking slot, allowing her to give the speech that she feels is necessary.
If not, and Romney persists on the present course of stiff arming Palin et al, I honestly believe that all h*ll will break loose.
Of course I could be all wet.
Time will tell.
One quick thought. Interesting how two people can look at the same set of facts and reach very different conclusions.
Cheers.
Oh, McCain is famous for slapping back at anyone who disses him in any way. And I think Cheney is entitled to his wrong, easily refuted opinion. But even his status as a Bushie doesn't mean what he said was an "attack."
It was an own goal, pure and simple. Dumb. Easily avoidable, even for a guy who is struggling with health and age.
Did y'all catch that Liz Cheney tweeted a dissent from her father's opinion?
Good on you, Liz. The problem in the 2008 cycle was that we had a nominee who fit the permanent political class's mold of being the "right kind of candidate" but did not fit the leadership mold. He did not attack Obama on the issues or his background. He did not make the case for why he should have won. He even said we would have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency.
Governor Palin, unlike the others on the top ticket, had actual executive experience. She had a record of action, not promises. Of results, not empty speeches.
So to suggest she wasn't ready to be VP is just silliness.
With respect, and upon reflection, I believe that we are being naive.
Follows is Firelight's take on Cheney's tweet:
Um… I’m still skeptical. I agree that it was a nice and classy thing to do but sincere? not sure… I think Daddy is trying to secure a Cabinet position for his little girl. This seems a bit of trying to have your cake and eat it too. Let’s trash Palin but we don’t want to alienate her supporters and base because we need them so daddy will do the trashing and daughter will give out warm fuzzies. Let’s see if they are dumb enough to fall for it… Honestly, almost anyone in America is more qualified than Obama and Biden combined. How about tweetingthat Gov. Palin was qualified to be POTUS in 2008 or that she is just as qualified as Mittens if not more and with a far better record to be POTUS in 2012. THAT would make me think Liz is sincere. Saying Palin is more qualified than Obama/Biden combined is like saying Mitt is more conservative than Pelosi, duh…
I encourage people to read her entire analysis, which can be found in the monologue in this post:
Gold Medal Monday
It's entirely possible. I have fairly positive feelings about Liz Cheney... but she IS a Cheney so maybe I'm being too generous in giving her the benefit of the doubt.
And Firelight is incredibly savvy so I'll have to take her opinion and analysis and give this further thought.
Trust but verify is the safest course.
Let us see how the situation unfolds.
Also McCain, during his interview on Fox & Friends this morning, put zero stock in Liz Cheney's tweet.
I know that a lot of people do not have the highest regard for the Senator, but he has been in the political trenches for a long time and likely has forgotten more about "dirty tricks" then we will ever know.
Palin wasn't ready to be VICE president but butthead Obama gets elected as president!Sheesh!
I also like Cheney, but this is more bullcrap about blaming Palin for McCain's loss. McCain lost because of himself, and Palin was the only umph in his campaign that attracted voters at all.
What hurt was McCain throwing her to the dogs knowing it was a setup and the MSM would try to make her look bad. Yet, he wouldn't let her be interviewed on Fox or any conservative radio program. McCain is an idiot. He holds more contempt for the right than he does for the enemies of this country....the far left.
Yep. McPain was a "me too" type and incompetent, he would've lost a whole lot worse without Sarah.
I think McCain used to be a watch dog but now he is just a lap dog. He's far too friendly with Hillary and her Muslim Brotherhood connected aide. McCain started as a reformer and soon lost the fire in his belly. Palin did not deserve the blame. It was Rudy and McCain that conspired on how they could destroy Mitt. Additionally, Huckabee staying in did not help and Paul refusing to endorse and encouraging his base to defect by pushing Nader and McKinney guaranteed that Obama would win. Mitt was it in 2008 and will be in 2012.
I never thought I would say it, but I'm actually starting to like Romney. Whether it will last or not is yet to be seen, lol. But I will never like McCain...and it appears we will never be able to get rid of him until he retires or dies. He is way too eager to work with the left at times he shouldn't, and he will never work with the solid right.
True, but what Republican would? Seriously. That's going to take some balls of steel, so who do you believe would do it? West, probably. Palin, maybe. We will hit massive opposition and be demonized for wanting our kids to get lead poisoning, wanting dirty water and air, wanting our lakes to be filled with chemicals by dirty plants, wanting our kids to grow up without an education, and etc.
We're going to have to strengthen our candidates and our Congress so we can actually get that done.
Yeah, you can't turn the ship around instantly. It took all the years from Woodrow Wilson to Obama to get in this mess. It'll take five years just to slow down the continuing damage. I doubt any Republican will have the nads to drop the EPA or Dept. of Education. Romney sure won't do it.
That's basically what I'm expecting out of Romney. He needs to get the momentum of shrinking government going in the opposite direction. I don't expect him to have the debt problem solved overnight or even in his first term. Things have to be done over time, anyway. For instance, you can't just shut down half the government agencies immediately and just wait for the fallout. You can't just cut off 80% of the welfare recipients without there being massive fallout. You have to make changes to work them all off of it....like create more jobs and start pushing off the ones that really shouldn't be on it and then work your way down.
I argued with a guy here that thinks you can make all the changes immediately and screw the people that get dropped on their heads....including the elderly who paid into SS their entire lives. Problem is, that's millions and millions of people. I'm not really looking forward to the massive increase in crime and the 75 people digging through my garbage every night.
Lol, sorry about the veer.
I've always "liked" Romney. I was always comfortable with the thought of him as a decent executive sitting in the Oval Office. Same with George W. Bush, really ("W" was terribly statist, but very good as an administrator).
It's just that we really needed someone different at this time. We won't get that person, so we're stuck with a basically decent guy who isn't going to do what we really, desperately need, with regard to Restoration. Instead, he's going to get out the band aids, change some rules to fix a few glitches, and probably continue the Republican tradition of desperately appealing to the press for favorable reviews (maybe we'll get lucky there, who knows).
I'll be quite happy with most of what he does as President, I'm sure. Sort of like being "happy" that at least the town council finally votes to repair the old fire truck, so you have at least one in working order; though you know that truck by itself is not good enough to handle any actual fire downtown, and a new one is desperately needed.
Cheney is a nice guy, but the idea that he is some kind of conservative is just a joke. He is a Bushy Rino.
McCain was and still is a progressive GOP Establishment RINO to the core, for which Gov. Sarah Palin brought Conservative life into his dying campaign. If not for her, his campaign would have been buried far deeper than it was.
The fact is that before the housing and banking crisis imploded, McCain/Palin ticket were ahead in the polls of Obama.. But the crisis that the liberals created that finally imploded on Bush's watch, caused the voters to react to Obama's blame Bush and thus run against Bush policy tactics against McCain worked, who voted in the radical anti-American Obama as US President, which always happens when despots take advantage of an economic crisis, or any crisis in an election, which we are now faced with having to remove from absolutely destroying America as we know it for the past 236 years.
The Bush's and Cheney's are the leaders and face of the GOP RINO establishment, who have nothing but utter and absolute contempt for Ronald Reagan, who would never have even been elected to the US Presidency if not for Ronald Reagan picking GHW Bush for his VP in 1980, which was the only reason why the Conservative Reagan voters voted for the Bush's in 1988 and 2000 in both the Primaries and General elections, was because of that connection to Ronald Reagan and Reagan Conservatism. That was one of the few mistakes Reagan ever made in his political career, picking Bush as his VP. Why, because progressive RINO's have no gratitude, respect, appreciation, or loyalty to anyone who is not progressive like them, just like the Obamacrats.
GOP Establishment RINO progressivism is all bout big govt, and spend spend spend to make it bigger and bigger to keep that govt tax payer money trough open and flowing into their coffers, pockets, and their crony ally's pockets, forever. They could care less about putting the US Constitution and America first. To them, they and their power, control, and the GOP political party establishment apparatus come first. Sound familiar..
It's time conservative media stop paying homage those, ie; the Bush's, Cheney's, and their GOP Establishment RINO ilk, who seek the absolute demise of Reagan, Reagan Conservatism, and any and all Reagan Conservatives, ie; the Reagan Tea Party folks of America.
I am so frustrated with the bush people injecting themselves in politics, when they in my mind started the mess this president is there to finish. I just dont want to see these people anymore. But unfortunately the way I see it Cheney is working to have Obama reelected so Jeb bush can run in 2016. I pray to god that doesnt happen because the establishment will jump on the Jeb Bush wagon, but I hope we have learned from our mistakes and will not elect another bush anywhere, I live in florida and know who Jeb Bush is another Big government republican.
Not only did the crisis implode on Bush's watch, the liberals planned it that way. Bush had been warning about the ticking time bomb for years and the Democrats fought tooth and nail to keep anyone from touching the CRA or the banks. Then they timely came forward right before the election to say the world was going to collapse in three days and it was Bush's fault. Nah, that wasn't planned (wink wink). Yet they got away with it.
They may claim that Reagan economics are dead, but it's still alive among us. We will keep voting out the establishment that keeps governing in a non-conservative manner. Now, we just have to find another Reagan to carry the message.
Yeah, Dodd/Frank was a joke and exempted the problem banks. Big fat freaking liars claimed it solved the problem.
Dems want a second CRA, only stronger. I didn't get to see the show, but Rush said they are gearing up to do it all over again.
Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit on Cheney's own goal:
It's True. The GOP Would Have Had A Better Chance If She Had Been On Top Of The Ticket. Cheney: Picking Palin for VP was a ‘mistake.’
She probably wouldn’t have panicked like McCain did: “Before TARP failed as policy, it first failed as politics, with John McCain’s panicky announcement — Sept. 24, 2008 — that he would fly back to Washington to push for passage of the bailout. As I explained two weeks later, this was the decision that ensured Obama’s election.” McCain was in the lead from Palin’s selection until then. Then he tanked, and never recovered.
Jedediah Bila @JedediahBila
Anyone arguing we need a VP choice less like Palin & West and more like Portman & Jeb Bush is out of touch w/ voters. And reality.
Well Dick just one question would he have gotten more votes with her or without her?
Had she not been on the ballot that pathetic, reach across the aisle, big government progressive, which I had to hold my nose to vote for would have lost by 30%
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