Well, duh. Of course it didn’t help anything. The Stimulus Bill was a complete and total waste of money we didn’t (and still don’t) have on earmarks and disc golf courses. But we were told it was the only way to keep unemployment from rising above 8%. Now the CBO tells us it wasn’t really that helpful after all.

(The Washington Times) The Congressional Budget Office on Tuesday downgraded its estimate of the benefits of President Obama’s 2009 stimulus package, saying it may have sustained as few as 700,000 jobs at its peak last year and that over the long run it will actually be a net drag on the economy.

CBO said that while the Recovery Act boosted the economy in the short run, the extra debt that the stimulus piled up “crowds out” private investment and “will reduce output slightly in the long run — by between 0 and 0.2 percent after 2016.”

The analysis confirms what CBO predicted before the stimulus passed in February 2009, though the top-end decline of two-tenths of a percent is actually deeper than the agency predicted back then.

All told, the stimulus did boost jobs and the economy in the short run, according to CBO’s models. At the peak of spending from July through September 2010, it sustained anywhere from 700,000 to 3.6 million, which lowered the unemployment rate by between four-tenths of a percent to 2 percent.

The Obama administration had promised 3.5 million jobs would be produced at the peak of spending.

For this current quarter CBO said the stimulus is sustaining between 600,000 and 1.8 million jobs, which has improved the unemployment rate by as much as 1 percent versus what it otherwise would have been.

The White House did not return a message seeking comment Tuesday afternoon, but officials there previously have said the Recovery Act stopped the economy from falling into another Great Depression.

“The point is, what is uncontestable is that those infrastructure projects that were funded by the Recovery Act were very well managed, came in on budget or under budget and led to the creation of many, many jobs by an outside, independent analyst” White House press secretary Jay Carney said in September, as Mr. Obama was proposing another round of stimulus spending.

That new proposal called for $447 billion in expanded tax breaks, additional aid to states to hire teachers and emergency workers, and more infrastructure spending.

That broad effort has stalled, though on Monday Mr. Obama signed a slim portion of the package that offers tax breaks to businesses that hire veterans, and that repeals a 3 percent contract withholding requirement for government contractors.

On Tuesday, top House Democratic leaders sent a letter to House Speaker John A. Boehner urging support for the extension of unemployment benefits, last year’s payroll tax cut and higher payments to doctors who treat Medicare patients before they all expire at the end of this year.

“Independent economists from across the political spectrum estimate that failure to pass these essential pieces of legislation could reduce economic growth by much as 2 percentage points next year,” the leaders, including top House Democrat Rep. Nancy Pelosi and her two chief lieutenants, said.

CBO has re-evaluated the stimulus every three months, and its estimates for the total cost have varied. Initially the package was pegged at $787 billion, rose as high as $862 billion at one point, and is now projected to be $825 billion once all the money is paid out.

The nonpartisan agency also has changed its model for the spending’s impact on the economy, and the new calculations show the Recovery Act did less than originally projected.

CBO said it has concluded there is less of an indirect multiplier effect of federal spending.

Those changes caused it to drop its estimates for total employment sustained by the spending in 2011 from between 1.2 million and 3.7 million down to between 600,000 and 3.6 million.

As for the long-term situation, CBO said its basic assumption is that each dollar of additional federal debt crowds out about a third of a dollar’s worth of private domestic capital.

CBO said there is no crowding out in the short term, which is why the Recovery Act boosts the economy in the near term.

But at least there’s disc golf, right?

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  • Anonymous

    May I suggest that this upcoming election be about Obama and his record. Stop carving up the GOP candidates and look at what they WILL DO versus what they have done in the past. This is about defeating the left ladies and gentleman!

    • Anonymous

      Ummm, no.

      This is a several part exercise. It is NOT ENOUGH to simply defeat obama, we must replace him with a Constitutional Conservative and we must review what type of record they have AND what proposals they offer.

      This election is about contrasting obama’s record (or lact there of) with that of a Conservative candidate.

      You cannot say, “ahhh, whatever you did before is okay, don’t worry about it”. It is an indication of who they are and what they will do. Look at Mittens, for example, he is NOT a leader and is a pandering douche. That’s generally how he’d act as President. Sorry, next candidate.

      Beyond the debate and campaign “show” one has to govern. Isn’t this the problem we had with obama? The show got turned off, and he was a disaster. We don’t need that on our side.

      • Anonymous

        I didn’t say it was okay based upon what you did.  What I said is that this constant picking apart Newt is not gonna make things better.  The constitutional conservatives are bachman and santorum and they do not have a chance.  I wish they did but they do not have a shot at all.

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        M_J_S wrote, in response to johnos2112:
        Ummm, no.

        This is a several part exercise. It is NOT ENOUGH to simply defeat obama, we must replace him with a Constitutional Conservative and we must review what type of record they have AND what proposals they offer.
        This election is about contrasting obama’s record (or lact there of) with that of a Conservative candidate.
        You cannot say, “ahhh, whatever you did before is okay, don’t worry about it”. It is an indication of who they are and what they will do. Look at Mittens, for example, he is NOT a leader and is a pandering douche. That’s generally how he’d act as President. Sorry, next candidate. Link to comment

        • Anonymous

          Perry is still in the game as is Newt.

          I don’t care who the nominee is, so long as its not Romney. I, and 10s of millions of Conservatives will stay home if he is.

          • Anonymous

            I just do not think that Mitt will get it.  I really don’t.  We will have a clearer picture at the end of January 2012.

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            M_J_S wrote, in response to johnos2112:
            Perry is still in the game as is Newt.

            I don’t care who the nominee is, so long as its not Romney. I, and 10s of millions of Conservatives will stay home if he is. Link to comment

          • Bob Bohannon

            Then you will end up with Obama again! Campaign hard and support your candidates of choice, but get behind anyone but Obama…otherwise you get Obama once again. Twitter: RobertBohannon

            • Anonymous

              Then we end up with Obama again.

              If we can’t nominate a Conservative SOCIETY IS LOST, then bring on starting over, not continuing with a phony.

              Sorry, but people aren’t settling this election.

        • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C63SDNFI55BI6OELTBOZABN7KA Dave

          Neither Bachman nor Santorum are strict constitutionalist. Bachman voted for the Patriot Act and Santorum would have if he hadn’t been DEFEATED because he didn’t conduct himself according to his supposed PRINCIPLES when he supported the pinko communist ARLEN SPECTER.
          All Bachman does IS TALK – all she has LIVED has been off the government teet – including but not limited to all the Foster kids she milled through, working as a henchman for the IRS and all the Federal grants they took to run their little psych practice.

          • Anonymous

            Dave the Patriot Act was signed into law by Bush after the terrorist attacks on 9-11-01. At the time it was a perfectly reasonable thing to do. The Government needed to reassure the American people that it was doing everything in its power to stop further attacks, and it did.

            Bachmann is by far the most Conservative candidate in the race right now. She is a staunch Tea Party Patriot and leader that believes we need to cut governments size, scope and spending NOW.

            Dave to attack Michelle Bachmann for taking care of children that needed help and guidance because they had crappy parents is beyond reprehensible to me. It’s people like you that would rather badmouth good people than the real evil-doers (Obama/Radical Regime) destroying our country as we type. Try being part of the solution instead of being part of the problem.

            • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_C63SDNFI55BI6OELTBOZABN7KA Dave

              There are people that “mill” through the foster system as a matter of gaming the system. Usually – in cases where there is deep relationships built with the children – they don’t crank through them. To be fair – you may be correct that she was a caring foster parent… So – I’ll back off from that – however – given the number that she went through – it’s likely the government money was the motivating factor.

              I appreciated her struggles as a child and I learned a lot about her from the Forum – however – being that she was a tax henchman adds A LOT of Stench to her Staunch conservatism.

              Compromise has been the problem – there’s only one clean candidate in this race.

              Oh – and Bachman voted to extend the Patriot Act as Santorum said he would have done if he was in office too. All of them would have in fact.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OQI5D66OXO7X2FE4NVCZC7BAMA Joe

      I agree 100%

  • Anonymous

    Not a waste of money from Hussein’s scheme of things. Payback big donors, replenish union coffers, reward loyal governors and congressmen, prepay 2012 donors. And best of all he drove us even further into debt.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OQI5D66OXO7X2FE4NVCZC7BAMA Joe

      Rand Paul said it once – this is the most corrupt administration ever – and everyone yelled at him

      He was correct – and WE are paying for it

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Steven-Valdez/1806887704 Steven Valdez

    when you hear that all the stimulus did for states, was like paying off your visa card with your mastercard, pretty easy to see why it was a bad thing

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OQI5D66OXO7X2FE4NVCZC7BAMA Joe

    I simply can’t believe it

    Infallible O’dopo and demCRATS made a misteak (mistake)

  • Anonymous

    Red, it’s called Disc Golf, not frisbee golf. I wouldn’t make a big deal about it, but it’s my favorite hobby ;)

    • Anonymous

      Updated. Just for you. ;)

      • Anonymous

        Thanks Red! I guess I should apologize. the article you referenced also called it Frisbee Golf, so I guess it’s not your fault :)

        Two more things…
        1. – You spelled it Disk, it’s Disc – with a “c”.
        2. – Just about every course I’ve played has been created with volunteer time and money and not by federal dollars. I hope the federally created courses look as good as the ones maintained by volunteers (labor of love) – not holding my breath :)

        Thanks for the article!

    • KenInMontana

      We have always referred to the game as “Folf” even our courses here are called Folf Courses. The name Folf does come from describing the game as “Frisbee-Golf” as the first discs used were Frisbees. I guess like other things, different regions refer to the same thing by different names. Although my own favorites were “Guts” and Frisbee Football which came to be called “Ultimate”, although I think a more accurate description of Ultimate would be “Kill the guy who has the Frisbee”. :)

      • Anonymous

        From what I understand it used to be called Frisbee Golf until Wham-O put their foot down and would not let the Frisbee Golf players sanction their name “frisbee” for tournaments. It therefore became disc Golf and it is becoming very popular. Disc Golf is a World Wide professional sport and may some day be in the Olympics, see http://www.pdga.com

  • Anonymous

    “…projects that were funded by the Recovery Act were very well managed, came in on budget or under budget and led to the creation of many, many jobs…” Reminds me of the movie “Liar Liar,” where the buzzer goes off every time he tells a fib.

  • Steven

    This is the whole enchilada. If the GOP can nominate a true conservative (Cain being my preference) and can focus on the economy and the fiscal state of this nation (related), Obama will lose in a landslide!

    Notice that Herman Cain was unstoppable when he was on message about his 9-9-9 plan, energy independence, his entitlement reforms like the Chilean model, and cutting the federal budget. But once the media got him off message with their smear campaign, he began to falter and lose support from weak kneed conservatives. Let that be a lesson. The media will do the same to whoever is the nominee if we allow them to.

    It’s the economy stupid! Remember that? That came from the last candidate’s campaign who took down an incumbent president. Focus on the economy and we win. Focus on everything else under the sun like foreign policy and false allegations and we lose.

    • Mr. EMT

      Cain is no conservative. No conservative supported Tarp the way he did and for the reasons he did for starters, add to it his support of the FED and comments against the second, fourth, and fifth amendments and he is as left leaning as romney and newt. Not even counting his comments on abortion which were word for word from John Kerry the same thing “Im pro life but don’t think the government should decide for women”
      And his 999 plan got derailed by his own apples and oranges pandering with adding 909 and empowerment zones.
      Cain didnt falter after the “smear” campaign. He was faltering before he smeared himself over any and every issue not pertaining to 999.

    • http://twitter.com/DRAGONLEE29 Lee

      Cain…there’s a candidate! Knows nothing about anything but can throw out one liners like nobody’s business. Good thing he is done now.

  • http://no-apologies-round2.blogspot.com/ AmericanborninCanada

    uhmmm. Ok. Yeah. Surprising about as much as the super committee.

  • Mr. EMT

    That is the sound of the three candidates who supported TARP getting their fingers whacked.

  • Anonymous

    $800,000,000,000 spent for 700,000 jobs = over $1 million per job saved or created. This is an administration that doesn’t do math, but hey, its other peoples money.

  • Anonymous

    Way to go CBO. Just finding this out now?

  • Anonymous

    WHAT ARE U TALKIN ABOUT… it paid for a lot of things….Solyndra, OWS, Fast and Furious, Planned Parenthood abortions, Acorn (under assumed name), Van Jones, Union Delegates, George Soros investments, MSNBC Staff, GE, Mrs Obamas African vacation with 50 guests (all expenses paid), European Vacation, Canadian made Campaign buses and on and on and on…..

    • Anonymous

      You forgot husseins golf trips,the White House rap parties,rebuilding mosques in the middle east and new underwear for Michell’s growing ass.

  • http://twitter.com/volgeek Tim Jaggers

    And in other breaking news, water is wet.

  • Anonymous

    TRS: “Confirmed: Stimulus was a bad thing, says CBO”

    Politico still seemed positive about the CBO analysis O_o – http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/68965.html

  • Dan

    Did anyone see the commercial with A Demoncrap who looks like Obama Standing at the edge of a huge forest that is on fire and he is throwing gas on it when a man runs up to him and say, “stop! It’s on fire” stop. “But the Demoncrap says” no its not…I don’t see anything”…”what are you talking about”…and throws another bucket of gas on the fire…at this point…The man tries to take the bucket of gas from the Obama look alike, and Obama calls him an evil person who is trying to kill the animals and the people in the forest (and still the forest burns)
    The man shakes his head and Obama takes another bucket and throws it on the fire while demeaning and insulting the man who tried to stop him, all the while, the forest is burning and the animals and people in the forest are losing every thing, their future is dieing, and again Obama says,” give me another bucket or two, WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS……IMAGINE HOW BAD IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IF I HADN’T BEEN HERE TO HELP…TRUST ME”

  • Anonymous

    The only real Constitutionalist up there is Ron Paul. There is no way a conservative can honestly say they want a constitutionally limited government.

  • Bob Bohannon

    There is a way to revive America, create millions of jobs via private sector: Congress can authorize the SBA to create and sell $500B in tax-free, inflation adjusted, bearer bonds with a 20 year maturity and use the $$ raised ONLY for making loans to small US businesses for 3-5 year periods through SBA banks or by direct loans. Pay 4%, charge 6-8%, operate on the difference. Example: $500B loaned via SBA would create one job per $100K in capital (avg)= 5 million new jobs in very short order. The money circulates, changes hands, and eventually all $500B gets eaten up my fed, state, and local taxes until none is left (fact of life)= increased coffers. When loans are repaid, funds gets loaned out over and over until the bonds are cashed in. Bond holders (people or companies) get to pass along wealth tax-free, earn money tax-free, and have face values adjusted every 5 years for inflation. Everyone wins…especially the millions of new companies and employees…plus it advances the Free Market/Enterprise system. Would not cost taxpayers anything, even if companies fail, increased revenues offset losses!
    Twitter: RobertBohannon

  • Anonymous

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  • Anonymous

    Gee, here’s a shock. Wasting billions of dollars of other peoples money is a bad thing. I guess it took an elite economist from an Ivy League school to figure that out.

    Way to go, King Barry & Queen Nancy. No skin off you, huh?

  • Anonymous

    How much do these CBO staffers get paid to tell us, late and equivocally, what all rational adults knew from the moment we heard the word “stimulus”?

  • Darren Anderson

    Too bad that the lame stream media isn’t going to say anything about this. Let’s continue to tell the world that Obama is our next savior!

    I can only hope that the facts are presented to the public and everyone realizes that Barack Obama is the worst president that we have ever had!

    • http://twitter.com/DRAGONLEE29 Lee

      Obama isn’t even the worst out of the last two presidents