I bet Sewer Rat Gloria Allred has already gotten her marching orders from the DNC to troll Trailer parks looking for anyone to spew hate and Lies about this man.
You have to think Dems are scared to death of him...just like they were so scared of Herman Cain, that they had to find someone to "Lie for Cash" to pressure him out.
This was a reply to aPLWBinAK . Somehow it ended up at the bottom of the thread.
I'm on SS and after paying into the system for 52 years my income is less than 25,000 dollars which means I pay no income tax.
Under herman cain's plan I would have to pay 9% consumption tax on food, rent, medicine.
That would be devestating to over 30 million people on SS out of over 50 million people in the system.
BTW, under Cains plan you will still have to pay state sales tax, gasoline taxes, and any other taxes you pay now except for FICA.
As to Herman Cain, I wouldn't vote for the man.
His 999 plan is a step toward the fair tax which is a 23% consumption tax on everything. Plesse don't try to use the argument that purchasing anything used will not be taxed. You can't get used rent, used medicine, and can't eat used food.
As to his honesty
Herman Cain Explains the Fair Tax
You will notice he says every family deserves a prebate.
5 months later
On October 16 of this year he wrote an article On North star Writers Group.
9 responses to 9 false attacks on the 999 plan.
Claim 4: The plan should have included a pre-bate to offset the sales tax.
The last thing we need is to establish another federal entitlement, which the proposed pre-bate would quickly become.
Would you believe the Herman Cain from May 2011 or the Cain from Oct 2011? One of them isn't being honest.
He said so many things where he pulled numbers out of his hiney.
On Greta he claimed the exchange rate used to be 1.20 Canadian to 1 dollar American but now he says it takes 1.20 American for 1 dollar Canadian. The exchange rate was actually almost even. Since then it flucuates back and forth a penny or 2 difference. I posted all this info on here back in 2011.
He tried to tell the people at poverty level his plan was better for them.
October 30, 2011 at 4:25am
A family of 4 at poverty level Married filing jointly 2 children under the present system.
Gross income $22,350
Qualified plan contributions 0
Adjusted gross income = $22,350
Standard/Itemized deductions $11,600
Personal exemptions – $14,800
Taxable income = $0
Tax liability before credits $0
Child tax credits – $0
Estimated tax liability = $0
Earned income tax credit 4984.00
Under Cain’s new plan they pay zero taxes., but lose the Earned Income Tax Credit.
Under the present system a check for 4984.00
After allowing for FICA of 1709.75 they would have 3274.25 left under the present system.
They would lose the 3274.25 under Cain's plan.
I don't like the EITC but presented this info to show Cain's deception to the people at poverty level.
So you're saying under Cain's plan they would not receive a check from the Government for $3274.25 paid by other tax payers?
and of course with Ben Carson's plan the couple would have to to pay $2,350.00 assuming a 10% flat tax.
Because of this those two systems would be harmful to the poor.
Isn't this how we got into the mess we're in to begin with?
I don't want to sound disrespectful, and William I sympathize for what you're going through. But the truth is life isn't fair. Unless you have skin in the game, you won't care what happens in DC.
The road we're on will leave us in insolvency. We're bankrupting ourselves with the current tax/spending system we have.
You're advocating for those on the poverty line. Tell me, if the economy collapses who'll pay for the EITC that working poor get to have?
There are other taxes on the books, not just individual income taxes, which affects everyone, which drives up the cost of products.
I remember reading a report where a gallon of milk would actually cost $1.00 if all the taxes were lifted on the producers.
That's why I prefer a flat tax. The Family of 4 in your example making $22,350.00 a year, would only have to pay $2,350.00. And that is a lot, however imagine how much the price of everyday things would go down when those production taxes, those subsidies, and other hidden taxes are eliminated. Those on the poverty line would actually be able to afford the tax bill.
Personally I'd phase out the Tax code. I'd give the American people a choice like that Monopoly square. Pay 10% of Adjusted Gross Income or Pay with the Old Way. Let the IRS freak out with the extra work.
I am totally against the EITC program. I am pointing out that Herman Cain is deceiving these people. It's like a Christmas bonus to most of these people to spend on things like big screen tvs or whatever they want. It's totally unfair to taxpayers.
I'm against that Herman Cain wanted to lower the taxes on the wealthy by 26% and take it from people on SS with his 9% consumption tax on rent,food,medicine,dr bills, and everything else.
Also there are working people that can't afford a home to live in so they live in the streets. That's the people you want to take 10% of their already inadequate pay.
They don't qualify for all these benefits you hear about. It would be better for them to go on welfare or SSI than to pay the 10% tax you want to impose on them , but these people aren't asking for handouts like the welfare cheats.
Your comment that a gallon of milk would cost 1 dollar is more herman Cain BS talk, numbers he pulls out of rear end.
Herman Cain is in favor letting the states determine our second amendment rights.
He was telling people to reread the constitution and was quoting from the preamble of Declaration of Independence.
That is an embarrassment to the republican party.
He also said he would sign a constitutional amendment on abortion. You would think someone running for office of President would know his signature means nothing. It's only ceremonial.
I don't know if Carson's plan would change the rules on taxing SS benefits, but while I disagree with him on his tax plan, I would be happy to have him as president.
He is a brilliant man that unlike Cain would not try to dazzle with BS. I trust the man completely.
This begs the question as to whether the "progressive" income tax structure, in the US as well as other countries violates the bible's method of taxation.
Using the Bible as a justification for taxation would violate the commandment not to steal, which is what the government does every time it seizes money from you via taxation.
Biblical 10% tithing is supposed to be voluntary.
Try being more consistent, bro.
Dr. Ben Carson continues to impress everytime he gets on the air.
I find myself praying for him that God will continue to give him the wisdom and the words and the calm demeanor to address the problems we face with clear thinking and common sense and humor.
Pray, hope and don’t worry! -- Saint Padre Pio
I love this man. We would be so lucky as a nation to have him as President. He would be a gift from God. He talks of God, just like our founders did.
If this wise sage even hints at running for anything, the left will be on him like pit bulls on a baby. What liberals will do to him will make Sarah Palin look like a contender. She is only white and a woman. He's BLACK! They won't be able to handle that.
If God gets 10% what should Government get?
2% seems a bit much.
And if the Government was only getting 2%, God would stand a better chance of collecting his share...
Under "New" US Government Policy.....Dr Ben Carson.....is considered a "SOVEREIGN CITIZEN"
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Dr. Carson has such a pleasant voice, a nice delivery, and sound, reasonable ideas. Whereas obama sounds, looks and acts like a snake-oil salesman!!!! And that's the way I perceive obama...and I don't trust him even a little bit!!!!!
I doubt that he will be invited next year to the prayer breakfast.
Obama: Liar, communist, Socialist, propagandist, abortion-on-demand-lover, weak, incompotetent, coward, marxist, Hypocrite, America Hater, Muslim infiltrator, cult leader, etc.
Dr Carlson: America, and God loving scientist, patriot.
The differences could not be more clear.
I keep saying this and will keep saying this, why is Dr. Carson any less than the characters like Rubio and Hillary that everyone keep talking about for 2016? It would be an absolute blessing if this man decided to hang up his doctor's coat and run for the GOP nomination. This is the type of conservative that can change this nation for the better, especially after these terrible years under Obama. Until someone answers my question, I am very, very open to a Dr. Carson candidacy.
I would vote for Ben above anyone on the political stage at this time. I think he is such a fresh breath of air.
He should pick up the handle of Big Ben Too...
Wisdom. Common sense. I need that more often. This guy and Ted Cruz came around at a good time for me cause I'm at the end of my rope with this government.
Ecclesiastes 10:2 A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left.
Dr. Carson knows what God wants and wants to follow it. Obama....well you know where he stands.
Congress prefers to play their games with our skin..No where in the Constitution does it allow for our tax dollars to be their slush fund.
10% to God, but not to the government.
2-5-10-15% according to income, with deductions for church/charity, home interest, college savings and catastrophic health expenses, might be more equitable and reasonable.
Flat tax should be a flat tax. The one exception I could see would be the HSA contributions for future medical expenses (Dr. Carson mentioned) and deduction for medical insurance premiums which I have argued for years should be a deduction when paid by the individual. Everything else should be eliminated.
Didn't Dr. Carson say something about the HSA being "pretax"? Would that be the same thing as what you are saying about a deduction for the HSA?
Also he mentioned that for the indigent we could set up an HSA for them at birth with what the government would likely spend on them over the years anyway and let it be earning interest and that at the end of our days, whether rich or poor, we could pass what's left in our HSA's on to our families. Of course, the HSA's would be for "routine" medical stuff like doctor's visits but would not apply to "catastrophic" medical problems which would be taken care of differently.
The problem with 2-5-10-15 is that it turns into 0-10-15-25-33-35 and then 0-17-27-35-41 then 0-10-15-17-29-35-39-50 then.....
I like Dr Carson but disagree that everyone needs to have skin in the game. I know this is s unpopular with people on here that don't understand how it is to live on very little money even though these working poor work as hard as the people in the middle class. I've pointed this out on here more than once. These people have no skin to put in game.
Also these people want to change the rules for people on SS after they paid into the system for half a century. Remember there are over 50 million of us and more than half will be severely hurt by what DR Carson proposes. I left the republican party because of Herman Cain wanting to take 9% of the income from people on SS and lower the taxes on the wealthy by 26%. It's disgraceful to take food or medicine from these people on SS to fill the pockets of his wealthy friends.
I know this is very unpopular on here but I don't really care because being politically correct will never happen with me.
Unlike Herman Cain I would still vote for the Doctor because I feel he is a good man and I know that anyone voting to take money from the working poor and people on SS won't get 40% of the vote.
The problem is with the people on permanent welfare and Medicaid. Half of the people on SS live below the poverty level and can't get the benefits of the leeches on welfare.
My mother worked into her late 70s to pay off her house, then needed medicaid for 2 hip replacements. When she passed away, because she owned the house, the government took the costs from her estate.
At the same time people on welfare took their children to the hospital emergency room for DR excuses bevause they had skipped school all at taxpayers expense on medicaid.
I personally know one family that averaged 3 trips per week to the emergency room every week for the whole school year. The emergency room was filled with children everyday for that purpose. That is happening all over the country.
This one family was receiving over 900 per month in food stamps and over 600 per month in welfare. They paid 11 dollars per month and complained the Government did nothing for them when their rent was increased to 13 dollars.
Sorry for the rant but when I hear someone wanting the working poor and SS to have some skin in the game , then I will speak up.
BTW, I did something about the medicaid fraud at the hospital writing phony dr excuses and at least stopped it there. This fraud wasn't being commited by one family, but by the majority of the 99 families that lived in that project.
Sorry again for the rant.
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I honestly think you are misinterpreting what Dr. Carson is saying about having skin in the game.
When you go back to his prayer breakfast speech, the point he was trying to make and which he made exceedingly well was that "the fairest individiual" of all - God - was proportional in what he expected from us and "tithes" or tenths was and remains a great example for us to follow "a person who makes 10 billion dollars contributes 1 billion and a person who makes 10 dollars contributes 1." That's emminently fair.
The only thing Dr. Carson didn't specify was whether that "tithe" would be in the form of an income tax or a sales tax or whatever. Personally, I think sales tax would be fairer since it wouldn't punish achievement - "why hurt the guy if he just put up 1 billion dollars". The more a person bought the more in taxes he would contribute but at the same rate as everyone else.
If you go to his interview at Penn State which you can find on YouTube under "Conversations from Penn State" Dr. Carson talks explicitly about how he and all the surgeons and doctors he knows used to provide healthcare for the indigent out of their own pockets because they could afford to do so and didn't have a beauracracy standing in the way of them helping the poor which is the case now.
Nowadays, when they want to offer up their services to help an indigent patient they'll be told by the hospital that they can offer up their own time but they can't offer up the time of the anesthesiologist, the nurses, ect., because the federal government won't reimburse them for this and consequently many indigent patients are going without because of the federal beauracracy in Medicaid and Medicare and now Obamacare putting walls between the doctors and their patients and not getting out of the way.
The man used to do over 500 operations a year and I'm certain many were on indigent patients and now he's "down" to over 300 a year and is getting ready to retire from surgery. That's somewhere between 10,000 and 17,000 surgeries over the last 33 years. I think he knows of what he speaks better than all of us put together.
Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and
the rule of law under God is acknowledged.
Remarks to the Convention of Evangelicals
March 8, 1983
I don't understand. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I thought SS benefits were already being taxed. If so, then whatever tax you pay on your ss income would equal what Dr. Carson is proposing. Right?
And the working poor already have taxes withheld. Right?
There is no income tax on SS if your income is less than 25k per year for a single person or 32k for a couple. We already paid taxes for half a century and anyone trying to change the rules will lose a voting block of close to 30 million people.
There are lots of working poor that pay taxes but get most of it back except for FICA.
It may help you to do some research.
A single person making 10k per year will have a tax liability of 25 dollars for the year or under Dr Carson it wouldbe 1000 dollars. That's a big difference to someone barely surviving. Under his plan of 10% it would be better to just do the welfare thing and that's exactly what will happen.
Here's your tax calculator. it's for 2011 but still close.
Here's a link that explains taxing on SS benefits.
It's not a 'rant' friend, it's a point and you have every right to have it.
I'm an old man, I live on the Social Security I paid into for over half a century and a little part time job. I've got 'skin in the game', I'm working on my Income Tax right now.
I understand everything you're saying and it is a sad fact. I've had to live in my car on four separate occasions. I had a job thank goodness but I still had to pay taxes. I didn't like it but looking back I know its the only fair way to handle this. This isn't a perfect world. Unfairness in taxes causes resentment and envy and those two put together are enough to ruin a society for good. It kills friendships, marriages, your job and families.
Like I said, I've been homeless. Its sucked bad. Getting ready for work was hell. Just keeping yourself groomed seemed excruciating. So I understand the feeling of people who go through this.
What would solve a lot of this would be for churches to help their church members. An old lady cant afford her medication? Why cant the church take care of the cost? Church member's? Jesus wanted us to take care of our own not the government. Churches should quit building modern marvels and use that money to help the poor in their congregation and anyone else they can afford to help. Hope this isn't coming off the wrong way.
I walked the streets for 3 days without eating. I forgot all about going to my church, or finding any other source. Later, I found out the church was there all along. Members included doctors. Thank God a friend saw me, and it took about one minute to eat a hot chicken sandwich he bought for me.
Then, a few days later, the police department hired me. Imagine.
I'm fine with what you said. I also agree with what you said about churches but you know that won't happen. If people want a flat tax then let's make wages flat. Do you believe that God would think that one person was worth higher wages than another. I don't think so.
Remember the person earning minimum wage pays the same for a gallon of milk that someone earning 50,000 to 60,000 per year.
To be very clear I am 100% against increasing minimum wage to 9.00 per hour as Obamalinsky mentioned last night. Liberals don't understand that 7.25 per hou x 40 hours is a lot more than 9.00 per hour times zero hours.
I am even more against increasing taxes on the wealthy.
I am also against people working part of the year and getting huge EITC refunds, in fact I'm against the whole darn EITC program.
I am against everything the tyrant says or does.
I'm sorry for your situation but it's very common for many people that work and can't afford housing.
Mostly I don't want rules changed for people on SS after they worked for half a century to get the near poverty level benefits.
Don't worry. When the world's economy is manipulated to fall, the devil will bring in a new system, and everyone will be so happy this genius solved the world economic problems, and it was better than business as usual. Then all the people of the world will have only one I.D. number, and when we have a cashless society and we all have a chip implanted, all hell will break loose. Jesus forbids Christians to join in this devilish plot, and will punish those that choose to join.
This will be the biggest decision most people will have to make at that time. Someone tried to joke about this by saying 'when you come to a fork in the road, take them both', but it won't be anything to laugh at.
All the churches in this country wouldn't have enough money to feed and house the homeless in this country. If they could do that, why do we have homeless veterans in this country? Why do we have people that have a job but can't afford the rent and utilities so they must sleep in the streets or under a bridge?
It's great your church is doing so much, but there is not enough churches like that.
I do know about the Christian Church, but I don't depend on them to do the job all people should be doing in helping these people.
He is wrong. You have no problem taking money from the people that already are strugglimg every day of their life and lower the taxes on the wealthy. Try living at or below the poverty level for one year and come back and tell me as long as you love God that money won't matter. People like you is exactly what the democrats are talking about when they say the republican party is the party for the wealthy.
" I also agree with what you said about churches but you know that won't happen."? My church has spent millions helping people in need! We are biggest contributor to the largest food bank in Arizona! Poor members are constantly given assistance to pay bills when they need it the most. I'm not sure you know much about the Christian Church williamm.
That's my point, if you love God, you will have the mentality to give. Money won't affect that. You will earn your keep and help your fellow man. Dr. Carson is case in point of this. Dr. Carson is a very rich man, yet gives back.
I'm fine with people being rich. I want more people being rich. As to loving God it won't matter how much money you make, that is wrong. It sounds like something someone with money would say. Try living where you don't know where your next meal will come from or where you will sleep tonight. I'm not in that position yet, but I know many people that are. I don't quote the bible as some people do, but the God I love would want me to help someone in worse shape than I am in. I don't have much but I really enjoy sharing what I have.
Try it sometime.
Yes he does. You need to read the Word more critically. Jesus talked about paying talents and expecting a return. He gave one 100 talent, another 50, down the line to one talent. The person he gave one talent to, hid that talent and was reprimanded by God for not getting a return. Abraham was exceedingly rich, as well as David and Solomon. Israel left Egypt with spoils. So, God wants his people to prosper and recognizes that there will always be poor people, but that doesn't mean people should not be rich. It is the love of money that is the root of all evil not money itself. Love God and it won't matter how much money you make! We need rich people because they create the jobs and opportunities that allow many to make a living for themselves and their family.
I thought Cain was pitching 3 taxes of 9%.. Income, sales and I dunno what else... amounting to 27% in the conglomerate...
I meant similar, but not alike. Similar in that it is simple, I'd be paying less, and most people would have some 'skin in the game'. Cain's 999 was 1.) a 9% flat tax on individuals. 2.) a 9% flat tax on businesses. 3.) a 9% flat tax on retail sales (new purchases only...a car for instance would require a sales tax only the first time it was sold) I'm self employed and file as an individual, and my return shows an 'effective tax rate' of 48.6%. That's not counting of course, my property taxes, or the sales taxes I pay at retail stores. Under Herman's plan, I'd pay a 9% personal or individual income tax, and a higher (at 9%) retail sales tax.....but would still see a huge savings over what I'm paying now annually, and it would vastly simplify things (saving me substantial C.P.A. fees I incur evry year) I don't know if Herman's plan is perfect or even workable, but I admired him for having the guts to start a conversation on fixing the cluster**** we have now for a tax code.....one might assume it had some merit though, because it scared the hell out of the Communist MSM, who immedietly set about crucifying him with trumped up scandals.
So you would be ok if a state would ban and consficate all firearms, which would happen in many states. The second amendment prohibits anyone from infringing on our rights to bear arms and that includes states.
I liked Herman, and was considering voting for him in the primarys, but he'd been lynched out of the race by the time my state had our primary....but worship? that's overstating things by miles....
I posted a reply to you about Herman Cain but it ended up near the bottom.
Here's something else.
For anyone that worships Cain here is a little clip.