You eloquently schooled a whole lotta people on the differences - now if only they were just capable of learning vs. spewing hate towards Newt and Perry for being truthful on the matter. (Not holding my breath)
Not exactly, Romney took bail out money. You cannot say you disagree with government interfering with the free market then support what Romney did. The free market isn't free but rented when the government picks winners and losers.
As a business owner, I risked my own capital and deal with the unfriendly business environment from this administration. Over regulation and over taxation is a daunting task to contend with but you learn to deal with it. I practice common sense in business and we have kept our doors open despite the fragile economy.
Admittedly, I do have sleepless nights, but it's not over how much profit I am going to make because I know how and where to cut my costs, trim the fat, stream line production and increase product price to keep up with inflation. I would not move my base of operations to a cheaper country, even if it would increase my bottom line by 700% because I would put my employees on the unemployment line. What keeps me up at night is making sure my employees remain employed. They have families to feed and my business choices affects their lives, I do not take that responsibility lightly.
Perhaps, we should coin a new phrase for entrepreneurial hopefuls, "conservative capitalists" a practitioner of capitalism w/a moral conscious promoting economic growth & prosperity not destruction and poverty. Capitalism and morality can coexist harmoniously, those who do not believe this to be so, are liberals.
I am not the one trying to defend segrating capitalism you are. Just because people make alot of money via capitalism is bad is your arguement. I got news for you that is the same arguement that the OWS people are making.
You best wake up and listen to what you are saying!
Appears?? That is my point....you attack him for appearances?? Please...that is the weakest one yet. Hit Romney on his record and the video of himself saying he is a Moderate progressive. Not attack his Capitalism. If you have to resort to that level and hit on the core of the GOP you need to not run because your message and image are definitely not accepted by the GOP.
Attacking him for his Capitalism makes you sound like the people we are trying to get out of the White House!
Give me a break.... You really expect social justice?? If that is what you believe may I suggest you join Al Sharpton at PMSNBC!
No it is not. Perry is trying to categorize Capitalism and say this is ''good'' Capitalism because it saves their jobs, even though the business model may sux, and this Capitalism is ''bad'' because it closed the bad business model down, layed everyone off and sold off the company assets and took the profit.
I got news for you Sparky....the business would not even be there or lasted as long as it did without venture capital from ''CAPITALISTS''! Once you start with the ''sudo'' Capitalistic modeling and segregating the ''haves'' saying they should not take so much profit and give more to the ''have nots'' guess what!....You are no longer a Republican....you are a liberal Socialist. That type of talk is the language of the left....you know OWS, Obama, the democRATs.....
Perry and Gingrich have taken the wrong road that is leading down the path to the wrong place. Perry has even made it worse with his doubling down on the labeling.
Typical Perrybot reply....let us make a stupid comment to defend our candidate.
If there is illegality then ''yes'' it should be looked into or investigated. That is the difference in Capitalism and illegal operations there is no social justice component to Capitalism. But you weak arguements just proves my case about Perry and it segregated capitalism position. Who cares if Romney made an obnoxious amount of money with his venture capital firm. I say great....he needs to keep doing that and not run for office. But to attack him for his Capitalism is the wrong arguement and the wrong position to take. Capitalism is one of the core principles of a Conservative and the GOP to attack you own parties core beliefs to get elected is just plain stupid!
You can't segregate Capitalism....it is either a legal process and people make all the profit they want or they don't and go out of business it is that simple. There is no ''good'' or ''bad'' Capitalism there is only one. Perry's arguement is the same arguement the OSW people are making and that is not Republican and definitely not Conservative.
No it is not off the deep end. He is started down a road that leads to the the same place where Obama and the liberals live. Talk of poor workers who lost their job to be big mean ol Capitalist is just WRONG!
>Look the purpose of business is to make money....if you are not making money in the Captalist system it's called one thing ''Out of Business'' or you are ''not for profit'' which makes you a Church or Charity.
There was nothing illegal on what Bain did and for you to attack it as segreated capitalism (i.e. Vulture Capitalism) is just not right. (I cannot believe I am defending Romney).
Perry's attack strikes at the heart of Conservatism and his willingness to double down on that path and language is something a democRAT would do. I guess I should not be surpised from someone who work, supported and contributed to making Al Gore President.
I think you need to step back and actually look at his position and then go read about the free market and you will discover there is Capitalism and nothing else...no sudo division it is all the same. Period!
Sounds like an Obamanite talking to me...telling us about fairness and equal justice.....DO YOU HEAR YOURSELF??
You are sounding more like a liberal with every post. I suggest you stop while you are only sounding like one. To continue this line of defense makes you an actual liberal. Maybe you need to vote Obama.
Of all you said I only agree with ''capitalism must be subordinate to an ethical system--respect for law'' after that you turn into a socialist. Capitalism is a kill or be killed environment and if you are not willing to accept that then you are not a Capitalist.
Look in the business you either make money or you go out of business it is as simple as that. If you think it should be ideals of fairness or justice those are the exact words that the OWS and liberals use. I think you need to stop reading from the DemocRATic victom playbook and operate in the real world!
I think they should all apologize to us for the massive heap of crap they're dragging their potential constituents through. Mittens' response to the accusations were worse than the dang accusations. He really has no idea who his audience is, what he's up against, or the true bold difference between liberal and conservative. He's just a big, plastic ken-doll with a microphone.
I think a lot of us have lost jobs, or had spouses who lost jobs, because of downsizing, buyouts, etc.
A few years ago my hubbie's place of business shut down w/out any warning because they just flat out ran out of money. No warnings and in fact owed my hubbie four weeks pay. The hubbie has found himself out of work before with a trade that was clost to extinct. What to do? Learn a new skill. Life isn't static, it's dynamic. Doo Doo happens. You put on the grown up pants and move on. It doesn't mean I take issue with the way the free market & capitalism works. It's what enables us to continue to grow.
And yes, I realize there are crummy business practices - and I've been on the receiving end of them. It's life. There is no fair, there is no promise of fair.
"Add a "w" in front of "h," replace the last "o" with a "r," and replace "t" with an "e." Then, the right word shall appear."
That's really harsh, stevenbiot.
Harsh, nasty and uncalled for.
I agree with Sarah's take on what Perry actually said. "There is a huge difference between venture and vulture capitalism". Romney participated in both, as did Tom Hicks of Texas and several other "global" capitalists. These groups are seldom about keeping jobs or investing in local communities. Many of them swooped in, bought up struggling and even profitable small companies, some of which had operated for generations, sold the technology, patents and manufacturing to foreign countries, and invested the profits in some other global "venture" rather than in the local community. That may be okay in the eyes of pure capitalists, but, to those who lost their jobs and saw their once thriving communities destroyed, who now see "made in China" stamped on products they once made, it is not an easy pill to swallow. I am not saying that Romney is an evil capitalist. Like Sarah, I think he needs to open up his records and show us exactly what happened. Show us the 100,000 jobs he created.
By the time Sarah Palin endorses Romney, it will be because he is the last man standing. She isn't helping the cause of getting a conservative the nomination, and I am quite upset at her for it. By now, this woman knows who she supports. Her silence on it is deafening to me. At least Mark Levin has come out and stated who he would vote for - Santorum. And he did so in early December. Where are the rest of the so-called conservative leaders? All I hear are endorsements of Romney, Romney, Romney... I simply do not believe that these people are not leaning towards one or two candidates by this point. I feel cheated, folks. Like this election will be the same as the last - a milk toast candidate and the rug pulled out from under the conservatives.
Mitt Romney Would be Mr. Potter’s Candidate for President
So, Bain as a Venture Capital Company funds 1000 companies and shuts down 50 that causes the 50 companies employees to loose their job because the business model was not working. For that reason, 5% of the companies were shut down Bain is a Profiteer and bad????
That is a weak arguement that just gives justifications to Romney. That is the wrong path to take my friend. Defend Capitalism. Embrace it. Love Capitalism!!
Attack Romney on what really counts...the fact he is a liar, or a progressive, a liberal in a Conservative coat. Attack his record as a public offical and if he has done things illegal then ding him for that with the proof of illegality. To attack him for being a Capitalist is bad...really bad because you are now attacking the core of the Conservative cause.
Trust me I do not want Romney as the nominee I but this is the wrong tactic to use and Perry and Gingrich should be shamed for this not supported. And SHAME ON YOU for supporting this Capitalistic Segregation!
Yeah. The fact that Perry is acting like a DemocRAT is a subborn thing. To call Romney a liar about creationg 100k jobs is one thing. I would encourage and believe that type of attack. But to attack Capitalism by Perry's segregation tactics is not right! Liberal DemocRATs and Progressives play the class warefare card not Republicans. This is not going to do well for the COnservatives cause because this tactic makes it seem like OWS positions. But since you are a blind Perry robot it does not surprise me that you fail to see how really bad this road that Perry and Gingrich are going down. This cannot end well.
She did not defend what he said ,she spoke of the heart of what he was saying. She was clear she was against these attacks on capitalism.
Yea and Mitt should apologize for, Romney care, making a road for Obama to follow. He should apologize, for being for abortion after he was against it, for being against Ronald Reagan, and trying to distance himself from him. For not showing up to the tea party, before he put his finger in the wind.
I am proud to say I have loved Sarah Palin from the first time I heard her. She is the model True 'Conservative' and has a clear message of smaller government, fiscal restraint and responsibility. She cleaned up Alaska's Old Boys Club corruption and I feel she is the perfect fit to clean up Fedzilla. She could have been President in my eyes and may still be down the road. She is a force and I feel she is a Tea Party Patriot all the way. There is no person closer in mirroring my beliefs than Sarah Palin. God bless Sarah and her beautiful family.
Many millions (like myself) think the Tea Party principles and values is/are the only solution to save our nation.
Unless you have worked with venture capitalists you don't know how this works. Venture capitalists take the risks and of course will get out if it looks like things are going south.
I cannot make up my mind, are you DNC? Are you rino's? Stupid, like Obama say? The only people irritatated by Perry is the anti Americans, do not want the USA, in any form. You remind me much of a NYC Yankee, who came to Dallas, and complained there was no Mafia to grease his way. No news, Sarah is your enemy. All your lies, and all your posts, are pretty useless, in the light of logic, and history. Well, work hard, maybe Obama, your hero will win. And, you will get your just reward.
And I say the same right back about you. I guess you havn't heard Obama say the same things Perry is saying. Perry supporters, Paul supporters you guys are loyal to a fault. We want free markets with less regulation. Let the chips fall where they may. If it's good, the corporations and people will get behind it.
You obviously don't know how venture capitalists work-try educating yourself about it from a source other than those trying to hurt Romney. If it was all so evil then why only NOW is it hitting the airwaves? What about Staples, and all the other companies that are still around because of the intervention of Bain?
Number two. Today, Sarah has shown us the path, and so we have to make up our minds. Are we stupid like the Obamas say, or are we smart, like Sarah says. The election will show the world, which is right. Sarah, God love her, has made a open and simple explanation of the whole thing. Sarah knows how to deal with minorities, just like Perry does. She is a patriot. You guys going to get going, or you going to let the bad guys win, yet again?
The more I learn from delightful Sarah, the more I thank God for her. Today, Hannity showed his true colors, and again, I have to thank Sarah. Apparently Hannity, did not do well in reporting ethics class. He sounded just like Obama. Sarah, on the other hand, not only showed her class, but also her brilliance. I can understand, the constant DNC attacks on her, they are very frightened of this lady.
Yep, that would be divine justice to make Romney the administration liquidator.
He should be called the Secretary of Elimination and Liquidity.
Let him raid these departments, sell assets, etc. Perfect.
Drudge has gone and lost my respect. He intentionally puts up unflattering photos and lines about Newt and the other candidates, but glorious photos and complimentary headlines for Romney.
And Coulter is eating out of Romney's hand.
Sarah vs the "clenched fist" of BHObama...
It sounds to me that Sarah's focus is the marxist "clenched fist" of the socialist (i.e., marxist) regime of BHObama.
Palin's advice to Perry is on point when she advises Perry to focus on the fulcrum of the problem, the BHObama regime and "crony grovernmentalism", and not get slimed by sliming Romney for his Bain Capitol activity which has always been considered as honorable and appropriate, even when tough decisions were made.
I noticed that Palin did not advise Gingrich, only Perry.
I don't think that means anything Art. My guess, FWIW, is that she doesn't want to be too positive regarding Newt right after Todd endorsed, else give the impression that she's endorsing him now.
Perry went harder on the attack than Newt did so it stands to reason that if she supports what he's saying, she supports what Newt's saying.
Sarah Palin is not an anti-capitalist. She never agreed with or used the term vulture capitalism. She agreed with Perry that Romney's claim that he created American jobs by purchasing companies and then streamlining them should be backed up with facts and numbers. No where in this interview did she say Romney shouldn't buy companies and part and parcel them for profit. I didn't see the drama in this interview that some are trying to create. Furthermore, it would appear that Michelle Obama has gotten a few pointers on verbal flatulence from the assclown in chief.
After watching this - http://www.webcasts.com/kingofbain/ - I confirm both Perry and Newt about Romney's business doings.
Bain not capitalism as such, they not businessmen - they are looters and pillagers. One part of their standard MO was to run up lots of debt intentionally before cashing in. Who knows how or if their own people 'loaned' that money - anyway, what they did was pillaging businesses, leaving a trail of unemployed businesses and towns with depleted economies. Sometimes they made a product cheaper and cheaper, faster and faster, without regard for quality... cut pay of employees, cut employees, then closed it all down. ...kind of reminded me of the story of the children of Israel under Pharaoh.
Romney and his investors marched through small manufacturers in America like Sherman marched through Georgia.
Palin gets it. Once again, impressive. All of you crying foul against Perry need to rethink this one. Seriously.
Okay someone correct me if I am wrong, but is there anything that Romney did that people are questioning, other than buy failing businesses and turn them around by doing things like streamlining the workforce? Unless I am missing something than there is one heck of a scarcity of "conservatives" around. I might not think that Palin is as great as most conservatives think, but she is arguably exactly what most here are looking for and even she said this.