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KeyesYou know little about this issue and prefer to take one sentence out of context to play Gotcha! Obviously, you live in some nothern state and know NOTHING about the populations and culture of Texas. You remind me of a poster on IOwnTheWorld who was totally nutz over Geller and hatred for Perry.
Read the paragraph above the one you insist upon emphasizing and notice the language. It was about POVERTY among the colonias (do you even know what a "colonias" is) and how to dispense with it:
"We also know that poverty is not unique to either side of the border.
Some of Texas’ poorest citizens live in colonias all along the border....President Fox’s vision for an open border is a vision I embrace, as long
as we demonstrate the will to address the obstacles to it. An open
border means poverty has given way to opportunity, and Mexico’s citizens
do not feel compelled to cross the border to find that opportunity....." WHICH means that if poverty is reduced in Mexico, those people will NOT have to "cross the border to find an opportunity".
Why?
38% of legal citizens in Texas are Tejanos and a
large chunk of these are multi-generational Texicans who have
family and commerce on BOTH SIDES of the border going back over
100 years . Has has been the case since the earliest days of the
Republic. Most who move here to Texas settle in Texas and become
legal Texans.
On this same subject Perry pissed off a lot of people over the
Anti-Sanctuary City bill (Most of Houston) which is why Strauss
tabled it. If he was so gung-ho for "open borders" as you try to imply, why would he try to get this bill passed. Doesn't make sense, does it? Your way of thinking about this issue.
You and Geller need to get the clouds out of your head.
@LizRodgers,
Hon, he doesn't need anyone's "tax dollars"........we're running a surplus.
And, if you are really a Texas, which I highly doubt, you are a snob for making the rest of your statement
The Sentinel He had had recent back surgery and was on pain pills, while also flying back/forth between the first two debates and the wildfires that had been raging in Texas for the past year (which the MSM rarely paid attention to), as well as comforting the survivors, including one complete town that was destroyed in the fire. He was the ONLY politician at those debates that had a full-time job (working Governor) during the debates and the campaign.?
I know one man that shook his hand after the first debate (the one where he was leaning on the podium during the LAST HOUR of the debate), and said his hand was trembling, his face was ashen and sweat pouring off it. Did we hear any whining from him? Did we hear any excuses from him? No. He soldiered on with NO complaints, or excuses.
Men who had had his surgery said they were not able to stand for MONTHS, much less 6 weeks after the surgery......and for 2 hours!. They were amazed that he did what he did.
THAT, that is my Governor! And, I'll walk through the fires of Hades to support him against all the lies put out about him. The liberals were out to get him, even the RINO's in the Republican Party, including some of Fox crew who ignored him when he was doing much better during the 3rd debate. They didn't EVEN mention his name.....who did this........Hannity!.
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I like Rick Perry a lot. I especially like most of his ideas and the content of his speeches. Sadly, he's not very eloquent or smooth as a public speaker... though he does have some charisma.
People may nit-pick me for pointing that out but he all but killed his campaign in 2012 with this limitation - imo. His ideas were strong and most everything else about him was solid. But he often lacks a fluid and natural speaking ability and sadly, I think many people turn off over that, which is a tragedy.
That being said, his last 3 minutes were Reaganesque and wonderful.
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@The Sentinel He had had recent back surgery and was on pain pills, while also flying back/forth between the first two debates and the wildfires that had been raging in Texas for the past year (which the MSM paid not one iota of attention to......unlike the recent hurricane in NJ and NY.......24hr coverage), as well as comforting the survivors, including one complete town that was destroyed in the fire. He was the ONLY politician at those debates that had a full-time job (working Governor) during the debates and the campaign.?
I know one man that shook his hand after the first debate (the one where he was leaning on the podium during the LAST HOUR of the debate), and said his hand was trembling, his face was ashen and sweat pouring off it. Did we hear any whining from him? Did we hear any excuses from him? No. He soldiered on with NO complaints, or excuses.
Men who had had his surgery said they were not able to stand for MONTHS, much less 6 weeks after the surgery......and for 2 hours!. They were amazed that he did what he did.
THAT, that is my Governor! And, I'll walk through the fires of Hades to support him against all the lies put out about him. The liberals were out to get him, even the RINO's in the Republican Party, including some of Fox crew who ignored him when he was doing much better during the 3rd debate. They didn't EVEN mention his name.....who did this........Hannity!.
BTW, Perry asked the present fraud in the WH for emergency help since every county but ONE had had a wild fire in it. Guess the answer. "No".........three times.
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@tiredoftherunaround @The Sentinel Your loyalty to him is well-placed.
I respect him greatly.
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@The Sentinel Why still care about that? You understood what he said well enough to know what he believes and liked what he said. We've had all the silver-tongued devils, now it's time to elect a man that gets the job done successfully and keeps his word. Presidents NEVER debate once elected. That skill is over-rated. Politicians can speak well and are lying most of the time. Don't focus too much on speaking ability. We in Texas are enjoying the fruits of our wisdom to select a "doer" over the "talkers".
@Marbie @The Sentinel I understand your points. I'm not going to rehash the past... but I will simply add, if he were a more eloquent speaker, he might very well be President right now.
You are fortunate to have him.
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I like Rick Perry. He's a States Rights man and that's def a good thing.
He's a man of faith, 2nd Amendment advocate, and pro-life. He has some solid conservative principles and then goes wobbly in other areas. I guess we will have to wait and see. But good speech.
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@toby66 I don't believe he's wobbly in any areas. He's as strong a conservative as there is. Don't fall for the smears that contain a small grain of truth spun into a lie. It's what they don't tell you that counts sometimes. Good explanations for all of them. I'd vote for him any time for any office. Lived in Texas all my 63 years and he's the best governor we've had in my lifetime. I'm very conservative and he's the best.
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Government can be a tool or it can be run by tools.
I thought for sure that's what he was going to say.
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Gov. Perry, Perfect.. About time somebody said the truth of Mc Cain and the other established Repub.. Time for them to go away.
Keyes Here's one:
August 26, 2011
So.... Yeah... The New Smear Is That Rick Perry Is a Dhimmi, Huh?
Keyes Oh give it a break! None of those things are true.
Are you one of those trial lawyers mad at him for Tort Reform? Or, just a transplanted lib, living in Austin?
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Perry is not perfect but he LISTENS to his constituents. He has been a great Governor and I would support him again if he runs for President!
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@poljunke I understand that POV, but there isn't anyone better. Maybe equally good, but won't have his long-time proven record.
I really like him a lot. But it's so early. I"m going to wait and see who gets in. I really hope he takes this time to prepare a little bit better for the National stage. Personally, I found the way he corrected his uh ho moment charming. But I know some others didn't.
If only the debates had gone a little better…..I still can't believe we have four more years of this BS.
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It's nice to hear a conservative espouse their values for a change. Supported Rick the last time and if he runs in 2016 I will again.
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Perry is BAD NEWS.
He supported getting a white washed version of islam into the public Texas schools.
When Pamela posted about it it got scrubbed from the internet.
He also supported the Trans Corridor that would have taken Texans' land for the massive highway that would have allowed Mexican truck drivers to roar through Texas without a border check.
He also supports open borders.....his own words.
First sentence, next to last paragraph.
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@Keyes WOW!
Anyone that knows Texas history & politics knows your/Pamela's assertion regarding Governor Perry supporting Islam in our schools is nonsensical at best. You may do well to check into the Islamic demands in the foreign language federal grants set forth by Obama and his ilk.
Additionally, Texans know about Governor Perry's reversal on the Trans Corridor. Might I suggest, for clarity, a little reading of HB 1201, Transportation Code, Chapter 228.201 and SB 18.
"The TTC is now a dead issue in Texas. It cannot be resurrected under any other name. In fact, the governor recently signed HB 1201, which removed all remaining references to the TTC from state statutes. Perry has not attempted to resurrect it or do an “end run” around the legislature and the people."
By law, toll roads in Texas can never be owned by anyone other than the state and are not being “leased away.” The public never relinquished ownership of any state roads.
The governor signed a law in 2005 that prevents a free road from being “converted” to a toll road. This is current law under the Transportation Code, Chapter 228.201 and he signed SB 18 on May 19, 2011, a bill which strengthened property owner’s rights when eminent domain is exercised by a government entity. Eminent domain “land grabs” were one of the big concerns that Texans had relating to the TTA.
Unlike the current administration in Washington, Rick Perry heard the people and backed off."
Texas, under Governor Perry, has spent well over $450 Million in tax dollars, since 2005, protecting our 1254 miles of the 1989 miles of border the U.S. shares with Mexico. Governor Perry is consistent in his call for boots on the ground, drones in the sky and walls at our border.
Uh huh. That's why Perry hightailed it out of SC last year when we got his white washed version passed out to folks attending his campaign stop in Conway, SC. He immediately hightailed it out of the state to attend to wild fires that had been burning for two months. Skipped the big debate in Columbia that afternoon that he was scheduled to attend.
@Keyes Maybe it was b/c one whole town had been destroyed and he went back to comfort that pool of people who had nothing. Ya think?
He is/was the Governor, you know?
@KeyesYou're so right. He's a proponent of the one world government. He invites Californians to move here so he can get their tax dollars. If he really cared more about Texas than he does about getting more money, he wouldn't want to import people who are turning our state into another California. The curious thing is that the people that have been moving here from California have been the poorer and uneducated. They end up better off in Texas but they lower the quality of life for the rest of us and will eventually turn us into a blue state..
@LizRodgers,
Hon, he doesn't need anyone's "tax dollars"........we're running a surplus.
And, if you are really a Texan or a conservative , which I highly doubt both, you are both a racist and a snob for making the rest of your statement
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I'm replying here because it won't let me reply where you responded to me below. :-)
I've read your posts for a long time, and usually you and I disagree--BUT only about Gov Perry. I admit he has his share of faults---but every candidate does.
Do you live in Texas? Most of the people I know that do, like him. If I recall his position on the border was not "open" but using strategic patrolling and other things. He was Incredulous when Obama said something like the border was safe and secure. Here is how Gov Perry responded:
“Let me address this issue of illegal immigration. And it's really an issue that has to be addressed. Being the governor of Texas obviously we've got a 1200 mile border. It's something I've been dealing with for a very long time period of time, practically the entire time I was the governor of Texas and, the issue is about border security. Two months ago the President of the United States came to El Paso, Texas to give a political speech, stood on the border and said that the border between Texas and Mexico was safer than it had ever been in history. Now I don't know what history books he's reading but it's not the ones I know. We're spending $150 million + in our two year budget in Texas to supplement the Border Patrol, to supplement the local sheriffs, to supplement state law enforcement. I put our Texas Ranger Recon teams on the Rio Grande to assist with what is on many places along that border a war zone. We are outgunned. There are places on the U.S.-Mexico border where the drug cartels that the drug cartels have operational control. We're starting to see that violence washing over into the United States. We know there are transnational gangs that are operating in the state of Texas. So you can't even have a conversation about an immigration policy until you first secure the border. That is the first issue that has to be addressed. And I will assure you of one thing, when I become the President of the United States, we will have our military, our National Guard until we get the Border Patrol trained up to have enough boots on the ground to secure that border. We will have aviation assets being flown up and down that border. We will sit and talk with the new Mexican President in 2013, they're electing a new president in 2012 and together in a spirit of cooperation, because frankly if they don't work with us, Mexico has the potential to be very very big problem. But we can and we will."I also like that he is a strong 10th Amendment guy!
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@Keyes Oh give it a break! None of those things are true, an/or you've taken words out of context. .
Are you one of those trial lawyers mad at him for Tort Reform? Or, just a transplanted lib, living in Austin?
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@Keyes The most insidious thing about men like Perry is also what attracts many conservatives to them: their ability and easy readiness to pay lip service to the principles of conservatism. Sadly for us, their actions are far far removed; it is nothing but lip service.
@pushtheredbutton,
I gather you don't live in Texas, or if you do, you're a recent transplant.
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@pushtheredbutton @Keyes I totally agree. These wily politicians know how to fire up the base in campaign season only to crush us when once elected. IOW, they know our hot buttons and how to press them -- to their advantage. Speaking of Islam, for example, when was the last time you heard ANY "conservative" talk about restricting immigration, much less immigration of Muslims?
@pushtheredbutton @Keyes And how many of them receive campaign funding from the Chamber of Commerce, perhaps the single largest open-borders donor around?
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Gov. Rick, keep brushing up on your debating skills and try again. This Texan supports you.
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Lol, the last 3 minutes were so great I forgot what he said before that...
"government can be a tool for self-improvement, self-empowerment, not self-entrapment"
@KeyesYou know little about this issue and prefer to take one sentence out of context to play Gotcha! Obviously, you live in some northern state and know NOTHING about the populations and culture of Texas. You remind me of a poster on IOwnTheWorld who was totally nutz over anything Geller and had absolute hatred for Perry. (Maybe you're him.)Totally nutz; however, most of Geller's fans are. She took her facts from ......Salon for the accusation about Perry and Islam.......very responsible reporter, that. Sheesh! Hysteria is more like it.
Read the paragraph above the one you insist upon emphasizing and notice the language. It was about POVERTY among the colonias (do you even know what a "colonias" is) and how to dispense with it:
"We also know that poverty is not unique to either side of the border.
Some of Texas’ poorest citizens live in colonias all along the border....President Fox’s vision for an open border is a vision I embrace, as long
as we demonstrate the will to address the obstacles to it. An open
border means poverty has given way to opportunity, and Mexico’s citizens
do not feel compelled to cross the border to find that opportunity....." WHICH means that if poverty is reduced in Mexico, those people will NOT have to "cross the border to find an opportunity".
Why?
38% of legal citizens in Texas are Tejanos and a large chunk of these are multi-generational Texicans who have family and commerce on BOTH SIDES of the border going back over 100 years . Has has been the case since the earliest days of the Republic. Most who move here to Texas settle in Texas and become legal Texans.
On this same subject Perry pissed off a lot of people over the Anti-Sanctuary City bill (Most of Houston) which is why Strauss tabled it. If he was so gung-ho for "open borders" as you try to imply, why would he try to get this bill passed. Doesn't make sense, does it? Your way of thinking about this issue.
You and Geller need to get the clouds out of your head.
Stace, I have multiple copies of the curriculum and have read it. Have you? It's hard to find now as the links went dead after Pamela wrote about it. Thankfully, she saved it.
How about the other link of his speech he has posted on his governor's website where he says he supports open borders? Maybe you like that?
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@dBbBucK Funny how he claims to be a conservative.
Most conservatives I know base their views on facts. Not make believe.
Apparently you are new around here. You would know I comment here frequently and I am very conservative. Did you bother to read the links? Read the speech that Perry has posted on his website where he says he supports open borders. He is terrible on immigration.
You Perrybots are as bad as Paulbots and Obamabots.
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Just go away and take your propaganda away with you.
You really need to do some serious research on Pam Geller before you go off re-posting her garbage.
@KeyesNo, the trans Texas corridor CANNOT be resurrected. How little you know.
Perry’s defense was that as Texas continues to grow by about 1,200 people every day, the state’s infrastructure must be improved to accommodate the growth. The TTC was an attempt to create a state-of-the-art, coordinated system of thousands of miles of roadways, rail lines, and gas transportation systems without raising taxes by using a financing method called a “Public Private Partnership” (P3s). It is important to note that P3s are a procurement option, not a revenue source. Some current examples are: the Chicago Skyway, the South Bay Expressway in California, and the Capital Beltway high-occupancy toll lanes in DC. Here is more on P3s from the Federal Highway Administration.
The TTC is now a dead issue in Texas. It cannot be resurrected under any other name. In fact, the governor recently signed HB 1201, which removed all remaining references to the TTC from state statutes. Perry has not attempted to resurrect it or do an “end run” around the legislature and the people. Here is a local (Houston) story that sums up the public outcry over the TTC.
By law, toll roads in Texas can never be owned by anyone other than the state and are not being “leased away.” The public never relinquished ownership of any state roads.
The governor signed a law in 2005 that prevents a free road from being “converted” to a toll road. This is current law under the Transportation Code, Chapter 228.201 and he signed SB 18 on May 19, 2011, a bill which strengthened property owner’s rights when eminent domain is exercised by a government entity. Eminent domain “land grabs” were one of the big concerns that Texans had relating to the TTA.
@KeyesI notice you didn't respond the point about " Obama is responsible for the Islam teaching attached to the FL Federal Grants and our school districts have been fighting it" from Stace.
LOL. I'm not talking about when he officially pulled out. I'm talking about BEFORE the primaries. He abruptly left after a person in the audience asked about the curriculum. We distributed about 40 copies. There were about 80 people there and most were couples so pretty much everyone there looked at it.
As soon as that campaign stop ended he said he couldn't make it to Columbia that afternoon. Pity as we had the copies in Columbia too....guess he kind of figured that.
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@Keyes Well, hon, you do not know why he left because you're not in the know. He didn't high tail it out of SC. His finance folks pulled his money to go to Newt. DUH! So he came back to Texas.
Why should he answer folks on a NON issue?
Obama is responsible for the Islam teaching attached to the FL Federal Grants and our school districts have been fighting it. I'm not responding to you anymore. You just spew falsehoods without reading the ACTUAL legislation, and bloviate on false claims of fact.
Well hon, we got the curriculum to the Conway, SC campaign stop he made and someone asked him about it. He immediately hightailed it out of the state after that. Skipped the big debate in Columbia that same day.
I've personally met Pamela and I know that she is a wonderful person. She helped me when I became a victim of the litigation jihad.
The trans Texas corridor coule be resurrected and the fact he was willing to do it is appalling.
He is open borders....his own words ON his website on the link I posted above.
I have read some of the curriculum he allowed in Texas schools...outrageous. He's also friends with stealth jihadist Norquist.
Nothing racist in what the other poster posted about folks coming into Texas. No mention of race was made.
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@Keyes Here's one:
August 26, 2011 So.... Yeah... The New Smear Is That Rick Perry Is a Dhimmi, Huh?
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/320603.php
"Pam Gellar, relying on a hot tip from, um, Salon, thinks Rick Perry's a dhimmi...."
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