Glenn Beck and Pat Gray argue over Ground Zero Mosque

They're right. It's why we're all doomed in the end. As long as religious belief is protected as a civil right then any crockpot with an idea can get a movement going. Just call it a religion and you're all set.

Islam is more akin to Nazism than it is to a religion. Thank goodness the Nazis were too dumb to call it that.

By the way, Glenn Beck is a Mormon, so he follows a “religion” that makes Scientology look halfway normal. Google it. You'll be amazed at what Mormon believe.

Is there really a moderate muslim? don’t you know that they all believe in the last day. (where you either convert or your head will roll) do some research people, don’t be naive, this is not a religion, but a conquering government force… they are declaring victory.

I don't know how anything makes Scientology look normal, and I'm not aware of how the LDS church is abnormal. Maybe your vision of normal is simply too unreasonable for anyone other than your self-righteous highness to grasp.

Additionally, who will define what isn't protected in your naively ideal world? How will the right to express opinion be protected if religion isn't? I think you've got some thinking to do my friend.

Beck is right but beck hurt himself badly here? Im not sure what you are saying.

PS. Beck IS right. The Mosque is not something that the government should control just because I do not agree with it. Give them the power to stop one the next one might be yours.

Beck: “Our religion [Christianity] has been stopped from building churches through zoning laws.”

Okay, so now we should just not let anyone build churches anywhere but let them build mosques anywhere!

3 posts all to your self?

You are a fascists to want the government to step in. That is big Government no matter if it is on your side or not.

Beck talks about all people of faith getting together. And you are right he talks about how Islamic EXTREMISM is wrong.

Your last one is great. Is that really what you got out of it. He is saying it is wrong for them to do it to us and it would be wrong for us to do it to them. Back on the line of it is big Government no matter if it is on your side or not.

He hurt himself by letting Gray Chris Mathews all over him, callers, and other staff.

Beck's position, as best I can tell through the girly squealing, is correct.

As near as I can tell, the poor caller(s?) were correct.

I never could tell what Burguiere's position is through Gray's babbling.

Gray is just simply wrong. We (for any value of “we”) have no legitimate grounds to stop them, absent violations of building codes and such that would be applied equally to anybody else proposing to build on the property

“Equal Justice” really does have a pretty concise meaning and I endorse it absolutely.

Now, am I glad to see them build it? No. Do I think it is a good idea? No.
Do I wish the hatred was not so intense that they want to rub our noses in it? Hell yes.

But we are too late, with too little.

Why have we not finished anything there, nor will we by 9/11/2011.

Now THERE is something to get angry about.

If there is already a Mosque in the area then I doubt if zoning laws will apply. The Mosque will actually be two blocks away from ground zero. I think it is distasteful that they would want to do this but since it is a privately owned building then they have the right to do what they want. We should plan to build a Temple on one side of the new Mosque and a Catholic church on the other and see how handle it.

Here is the source of my post:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/
Lots of info on Islam.

But should the government dictate which religion can build a place of worship where?

Also should you pick people out of a group and say that they speak for the whole group. If that's the case then Christians believe we have earth quakes becuase god is mad at us and pat Robertson said so.
(This was was sarcasm. I do not believe that Christians believe that earthquakes are because god is mad.)

Ban the building of any place of worship that isn't a Catholic Church. Problem solved.

No, I'm not judging religions based on crazies. Ban moderate, nice evangelical churches too. Ban Buddhist temples. Ban whatever Hindus have. Ban everything. Ban ban ban ban ban. Repeal and rewrite the first amendment. Ban each and every non-Catholic place of worship and no more mosque problem.

Yes. I'm not putting this forward as a feasible possibility–the only way to obtain the situation I propose is if we become a majority Catholic nation and we amend the Constitution. I'm for limited religious liberty.

But in all seriousness, this mosque should not be built and I don't agree with Beck's standard here. Communities can determine what groups they want and what groups they don't want within limits. It seems to me to not fall under “discrimination” or “Islamophobia” or whatever to use existing zoning laws to prevent such an affront to the residents of Manhattan. The difference between blocking a Mormon Temple using zoning and blocking a super Mosque 500 feet (or was it yards?) from Ground Zero using zoning is that one is motivated by not liking Mormons the other by the utter shameless, inappropriate location of a place of worship which is connected, however tangentially or directly, to the people who blew up the towers.

I was raised Catholic,but I will refrain from pointing out their problems and no,I'm not referring to the child molestation issue. The problem with Islam is it is not simply a religion,it is an all encompassing philosophy,combining faith,politics,behavior and law. That is were the main issue with Islam is and the sooner this is realized the better off we will all be.