The Right Scoop- Joe W.
Well, it sure as hell wasn’t an airplane. Just how stupid does Barack Obama think the American People are??
- Scott
Well he was voted in as President!
- Joe W.
Touch’…….right you are…..
- Paulchri
When firefighters reported molten metal under 911 debri “like a foundry”, and Americans say nothing, and building 7 drops perfectly in its own footprint from a few fires and we believe them, and Oklahoma Federal building has no crater in the road and the building blows outward we believe them, the Gulf of Tonkin that pushed us into Vietnam is admitted to have been false we still don’t care, the government admits that the Christmas day bomber was given a pass to get on the plane by the secretary of state’s office and we don’t care, and nothing about any of these supposed terror attempts makes sense and hundreds of witnesses say government is lying and we don’t care, why wouldn’t Obama think we were stupid?
- Joe W.
Good Lord, man…..you need to get your prescription filled…..whewww.
- Paulchri
Thanks for reminding me.
- John$
Michael Savage came up with this theory the day it happened
- West
There is certainly MAD relationship between the US and China, no doubt.
- Johnschaffran
It is called the Chinese own our debt and as AC/DC says “Got ya by the balls!”
- Davidkiser21
We should default and pay them 10 cents on the dollar.
- Paulchri
We are defaulting by devaluing our currency and paying them back with garbage money. When hyper inflation hits, they won’t get crap.
- Anonymous
It’s called the Chinese manufacturing sector is built on and sustained by US consumer demand and as AC/DC says “Got ya by the balls!”
- http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/PMLT5XN3DODARW4HIWZCBBS5YA Mickey
Seriously? Glenn is aware that the Chiense only has one opertional SSBN,the Xia class,that it is not even capable of deploying outside of the opertional areas of the PLAN?
Furthermore the range of the missles the Xia carries is only 1,770 km(about 1,099 mi).And most experts on the Chinese navy believes this boat is more of testbed for further SSBN development then an actual warship.
The PLAN does have two of the Jin class SSBN’s built,but they have not entered into service yet.The JL-2 missle carried by this class has a range of 7,000km ( 4,347 mi) which would give it a much greater ability then Xia,since it wouldn’t have to sail as close to it’s target as the Xia.
But for this Alex Jones-type conspiracy to work a few things would have to happen.
One being,the Xia class all of a sudden,unknown to the Office of Naval Intelligence,the NRO, and the CIA,gained the ability to operate at long distances,sailed out of it’s homeport.Slipped past our fast attacks subs in the Pacific and the SOSUS net and laid off the California coast until the Chinese Naval command ordered them to fire off their missle.Of course,if this really was a ballistic missle being launched off out coast,why was NORAD not worried about it and why wasn’t any of our forces spun up to deal with the possible threat of Chiense sub skipper launching missles off our coast? Remember,in 1986 when the Soviet sub K-219 was sinking off the caost of Bermuda after a fire in it’s missle tubes the Navy was put on a higher state of alert because of the missle tubes being opened in an attempt to deal with the fire.
They then wouldve had to sail back to China,with the US Navy alerted to their presence now,undetected.For a class of boat that is considered nothing more then a prototype at best,I doubt even Tom Clancy in his hayday could’ve made this one a bestseller.
Let it go Glenn,there’s more important things to deal then phantom Chinese submarines.
- John$
So what was it then dummy? a contrail? Just because you type a damn book every post doesn’t make you smart.
Do you not remember in 2007 when the Chinese sub popped up right in the middle of an American fleet?
We had no idea of their submarine sophistication levels, so I’m assuming you don’t know more than the Pentagon, dummy.
- Jake
Hey John$, Mickey is right about the SOSUS net. Plus why all the venom?
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=770715455 Daniel Tumser
People who elevate their opinions to the level of a pseudo-religious belief system always lash out like that when you disagree with them or their idols. The more facts you use the worse it gets.
- KeninMontana
The incident took place south of Japan if memory serves,it was a diesel-electric boat so its range is pretty limited. As Mickey pointed out getting past SOSUS is another entirely different exercise and highly unlikely to escape notice. Diesel-electric powered subs are handicapped by the fact of limited range before having to surface or run at snorkel depth so the diesel engines can recharge the subs batteries,and the second the diesels are engaged the game is up. My younger brother was an ASW specialist in the Navy, the only submarines capable of crossing the Pacific submerged are nuclear boats and the Pacific Basin is wired for sound literally. The Russians knew this and it’s why the lions share of their sub fleet was with the Baltic Fleet, with China’s limited number of nuke boats risking one of them to make that kind of a point is highly unlikely,the Chinese are not that foolish especially given the type of consequences of such an action. This so-called missile launch off the California coast was likely a US Navy exercise and nothing more.
- Paulchri
People assume that our government always tells the truth, or lies, in our best interests. Maybe we let the China do this so that our just and truthful government can take away more freedoms. I think that it was just a prelude to a false flag event.
- KeninMontana
I’m beginning to think that somebody dropped you on your head as a child.
- Paulchri
They did, actually.
- Smcaronx
What did the 9-11 commission say one of the governments failings was?
A failure of imagination.
We didn’t think they had the capability or audacity to pull it off.
I still think it more likely the missile was fired from a US boat.
But, it is still worth considering who else may have done it.
- Paulchri
Does anyone remember Clinton letting china in and bringing them up to current standards by giving them our technology? If we gave them technology, why wouldn’t they be capable of more than they, or our government, lets on.
- Leel004
you sound like one of those people we used to refer to in the military as ‘an educated fool’.
China’s defense is more sophisticated than you describe. It was something but unsure exactly what, but most definitely not an airplane. - http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/GY7YHCVS2BKWO5DG5AU5446PRY CL
..and smartie pants Mickey knows all the top secrets of the Chinese..he knows everything in their arsenal, gosh we are impressed.
- Paulchri
Nobody knows what it was. I could speculate that it was the US government who wants to get people worked up for something they are about to do. I have thought for some time that our government will hit us again, possibly with a dirty bomb, and blame it on Iran so that we will go to war, or take away some more of our rights. China is probably watching American reaction just shaking their heads and laughing at how stupid we are.
- Kim_ae
You sound nuttier than a squirrel turd. Honey, why don’t you put your tin-foil hat back on and go play with your legos, the adults are trying to have a conversation.
- Paulchri
I take your emotional insults as meaning that you believe that our government has never lied to Americans to get what they want, and that they have never used these things to take away our rights. Am I correct?
Or is it just too grand of a scale of government sponsored terror that I was describing for you to believe it? Remember Hitler’s quote “The bigger the lie, the more believable it is”? If you think that our government doesn’t lie, then carry on. If you think they do, then why so skeptical about how big the lie would be?
- Anonymous
The XIA class had more than one type. The newer (relatively) Type 094 is suspected to number five units, Type 093 two each. Go to last paragraph.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/china/type_94.htm
Not agreeing with the conspiracy, just adding data.
- Paulchri
You don’t have to agree with the conspiracy to believe that we are being lied to. Truthers don’t claim to know exactly what happened on 911, just that our government lied, and lied, and lied about it.
- Johnny
What day did this air?
- http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop
today
- Maximus
Speaking with close associates that actually design and build missiles…they are all in agreement that this was NOT a plane. They all stated that that is a missile contrail. No question.
- Tyler
Okay. My only problem with this being a missile is that missiles are fast…and I mean real fast. The fastest ones can go up to 7 kilometers per sec which is roughly 4 miles per second. The guy who caught the footage of the contrail said he followed it for 10 minutes. 10 minutes is 600 seconds. 4 miles/sec times 600 seconds is 24,000 miles. By this logic, if it had been a missile, it would have been to the other side of the world in that 10 minutes.Now, it may or may not have been a plane as they claim…but it most certainly isn’t a missile…at least not any kind of missile we’ve ever seen before.
But if you don’t want to go by the fastest missiles, we can go by more standardized missile speeds too and you can feel free to determine for yourself if there’s any way a missile going these speeds could have been followed for 10 minutes by a helicopter camera guy.
- http://doorwaybuck.com CM Sackett
“Okay. My only problem with this being a missile is that missiles are fast…and I mean real fast. The fastest ones can go up to 7 kilometers per sec which is roughly 4 miles per second. The guy who caught the footage of the contrail said he followed it for 10 minutes. 10 minutes is 600 seconds. 4 miles/sec times 600 seconds is 24,000 miles. By this logic, if it had been a missile, it would have been to the other side of the world in that 10 minutes.
Now, it may or may not have been a plane as they claim…but it most certainly isn’t a missile…at least not any kind of missile we’ve ever seen before.”
~Tyler~1. Check your “facts”, Tyler (I am running between meetings, and don’t have time to give you the play-by-play “WHY, WHERE, HOW… and HOW MUCH” they don’t wash.
2. In the meantime, before you (or anyone else) is so “certain” that this “isn’t a missile… AT LEAST NOT ANY KIND OF MISSILE… WE’VE EVER SEEN BEFORE (emphasis added)”, please simply take a gander at a couple of ‘kind(s) of missile we’ve seen before”…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChhYOO1s-nY (Minuteman III… had a good friend from IL that worked silo security for these and the NIKE)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc6iDrA8F2U&feature=related (earlier Minuteman version launch. PLEASE NOTE: the camera had no trouble following the missile… for over 30 seconds ~ what was that about how fast/far they travel? HINT: There is far more to their trajectory AND acceleration/speed process than their “top end” rate of travel… but I digress.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95tFGzDpDJs&feature=related (A couple of Trident I C-4s… from a sub)
Oh, BTW… even the Chinese reported it as a “MISSILE LAUNCH”.
Gotta run, but that should get you started on some real, visual “FACTS” to compare ~”any kind of missile we’ve ever seen before.”~ with the video shot by the CBS crew.
As Always,
CM Sackett - Tyler
Yeah. I was in a rush when I typed that. My bad. Way to smack me back into reality.
- http://doorwaybuck.com CM Sackett
lol! No ‘smack’ intended fine sir… just keeping it as truthful and factual as I know we both want it to be.
Sackett
- Boring
CM
I worked on MMIII missile launches for years. They accelerate much, much faster than whatever is in that video (spoiler: it’s an airliner). Just off the top of my head I’d say even the slowest ICBMs move somewhere in the neighborhood of 20x the speed of a 747 just a few minutes after launch. Sorry to bust your factoid infused bubble but you don’t know a damn thing about what you be speakin’. 10 minutes into launch a MMIII is approaching Hawaii and is certainly not visible to the naked eye. There is a simple reason why this MUST be (for all ICBMs) but you seem like a pretty smart fella so I’ll leave that to you to figure out. I’ll give you a hint though: LEO.
Oh, and that video in which you claim the camera is following the missile for 30 seconds? It’s not. Now that I’ve told you it isn’t I bet you can figure out why you’re wrong though. That’s not to say that a camera could not follow a launch for 30 seconds – because it can – but it doesn’t in that particular video.
- http://doorwaybuck.com CM Sackett
Dear “Boring” (appropriate)
LOL! The videos I posted are of actual launches OF SAID MISSILES (oops).
As for the “30 second” follow… if you’re watching a digital stop watch, I suppose you could say that the first few seconds (which I made allowance for… just not down to a gnats’ eyebrow) were not of the actual missile being sighted.
Again, out of the entire video timeframe, I made allowance for that… (oops, again).
Lastly, with a made up email… from a non-existent “you.com” address site, combined with you manner AND way of discussing this ~ you were NEVER anywhere near such a highly disciplined, skilled and highly-motivated team.
I do know that, and you should have some idea why, sir.
As Always,
CM Sackett - http://doorwaybuck.com CM Sackett
lol! No ‘smack’ intended fine sir… just keeping it as truthful and factual as I know we both want it to be.
Sackett
- Paulchri
I tend to think that it served two purposes. To increase the fear level of Americans about foreign entities before we have another false flag incident, and it was actually to spray aluminum dioxides and barium salts in the ocean so that people would end up drinking it and eating the seafood and eventually killing them with neurological chronic diseases.
Before you take the above seriously, think about it.
- Tyler
Personally, I quit worrying about such conspiracy theories along with the H1N1 vaccine being an excuse to sterilize people and so forth because even if they are true, I’m more concerned with trying to bring people to spiritual peace than I am about spreading information about some crazy stuff that if it’s true not much can be done about anyway.
- Paulchri
I do not hold the opinion that it will be stopped. I believe that a one world gvnmt, currency, and eventually religion will be in place. We need to know what reality is to become prepared. By prepared, I mean spiritually, and physically. Times are going to get rough soon. Better to prepare now. Anyone who is interested in knowing the future only need to study biblical prophesy. There will be ten global regions. There will be a one world gvnmt and currency. We are very near the currency now. The government is in place with the IMF, G20, UN, etc. It just hasn’t secured it power base yet. We are in the last generation since Israel took back control of Jerusalem. The US is not one of the world powers in the end. I don’t believe we will amount to much by then. We are becoming less significant every day. The private central banks own just about everything, including our gvnmt. Don’t worry, we may have a couple of years left to live it up.
- CDS in Manitoba
Well, if this ain’t a missile, then what else could this possibly be? A stunt to promote the upcoming film Iron Man 3?
Maybe Pete Stark got drunk and stole Tony Stark’s suit….
- Paulchri
What ever came of Stark appearing at the end of “Hulk”?
- Military Source
Please…
A nice analysis here: http://contrailscience.com/los-angeles-missile-contrail-explained-in-pictures/
- http://doorwaybuck.com CM Sackett
Dear “Military Source”,(As you put it, yourself) Please… your “nice analysis” is replete with fancy graphics (please note: the substantial amount of man-hour WORK REQUIRED to create that ‘analysis’. Hmmm. Just a government-smelling Hmmmm, that’s all). But as a “Military Source” (and I have NO DOUBT that you are… and honor your privacy in that regard), you know better than to parade a painted lady down Main street and declare her Martha Washington.In other words, Please.And now, without too many ‘other words’, let’s look at a few of these MD 11s… coming AND going, shall we?1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqOsbyilR-c (NOTE: Landing first, then take-off, Quito, Ecuador)2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMnBoalWj-A&feature=related (NOTE: Take-off from Geneva)3. Oh, and here’s a FedEx MD 11… taking off from LAX (just for true ‘reference-sake’):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5XX2n9DUQk&playnext=1&list=PL86C20A8B4E891499&index=59 (NOTE: Pay no attention to the little p/o’d dog at the beginning…)…and one last take-off from LAX. Granted, it’s not an MD (it’s one of my favorite birds to fly in, the 747 ‘Dreamliner’). However, I include it to point out that even on a WET, RAINY day… with a HEAVY-breather aircraft (that tend to make BIG contrails, when they do)……there is NO sign of the eratic, THICK, CONTINUOUS contrail seen in the CBS footage… PERIOD.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geifpHmMtM8CM Sackett
- Tin Hatted U-Boat Pilot
And check out analysis on the same website of the Not-A-Chinese-Missile-Launch-Either contrail viewed from Laguna Beach on December 31, 2009: http://contrailscience.com/a-problem-of-perspective-in-the-oc-new-years-eve-contrail/
- http://punditpawn.wordpress.com PunditPawn
Clearly Obama pocket-dialed the missile with his superior blackberry skilz that got him elected because McCain can’t type due to his war injuries.
- Mink_1171
Its a plane moving up and away, right after takeoff, from the cameraman. If you doubt that go to a AVA near an International Airport and watch triple 7′s or 757′s take off all day long and leave the same contrail as they begin their ascent right after take off.
This is nothing but an optical illusion and you conspiracy theorists, including Beck, make me sick, its the same type of people all the time saying this, from JFK, to the Moonlandings, to 9/11, Bush/Gore Florida and so on. Its sick.
- Anonymous
Mink doesn’t seem to like us!
- Mink_1171
I like you all just fine, I am a Conservative Republican and I read the Scoop every day. I just dislike conspiracy theories. As previously stated, this is a Jet and I see the same evidence every day at work when those big airliners take off every single day I work at the Airport. those contrails are the exact same thing that 777′s and 757′s make and due to the position of the camera and time of day there is an optical illusion that would appear as if a missle is being fired up into the sky. Missles dont travel that slow and if you would only watch a jet ascend from takeoff you would see the same thing.
- Anonymous
Mink’s right guys. You’re all barking up the wrong tree on this one. Here’s a brilliant debunking “missile” mystery: http://goo.gl/7ysdK
It was the contrail of Flight UPS902.
- Kim_ae
To imply that anyone who doesn’t think it was a plane is somehow on the same level as a truther is just insulting, nobody thinks our government tried to HIT us, just that they won’t say WHO/WHAT it was. You clearly have never seen anything other than plane contrails so how can you compare them to missiles? Large airplanes’ engines leave two contrails behind either side not an overly large single contrail. And my father was a Boeing engineer for 30 years and he doesn’t think it was an airplane either, so get off your high horse. You don’t know any better than anyone else here.
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S4QEQI32R65VKKR57XGMQX7OKQ -
When was this originally aired, exactly?
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_S4QEQI32R65VKKR57XGMQX7OKQ -
I see above you said today. Which hour, and how far into the hour?
- Jewelyachristine
glen b… you are scaring the b-jeebes out of me. now stop it, lv mom.
- Momma bear
Glenn Boy, You are scaring the be-jeebies out of me, now stop it. Lv mom
- Anonymous
Any one with half a brain can tell that was a Missle launched from an underwater sub . By the wobble of the contrail just before the Gyros and the Guidance System kicked in . Wake up SHEEPLE , The U.S. would not launch thirty miles from L.A. . Hopefully China gives Kalifornia enough time to place their heads between their legs , to kiss their A$$ good bye , before they light up L.A.
- LesaAmen
I read about it here, first.
- Don17k
And why wouldn’t they launch 30 miles offshore from LA? Depends on what their objective was, doesn’t it?
- SubGuy
I am a retired Navy Submariner, 20 years. I have been reading up on their submarine program and though Becks remarks are intriguing I am not convinced. From everything I have read shows me their acoustic levels are still significantly high making tracking of their submarine entirely probable.
Their older missle is a two stage single warhead missle with a range of 1700 kilometers according to internet reports. Their newer version is a 3 stage single warhead missle. So a quick summary of what I was able to gleam is their subs are no where near even the Soviet standards when it comes to their sound silencing program.
Their missles are single warhead which makes them particularly vulnerable to interception vs. a multiple warhead missle. Does this prove or disprove his hypothesis? No, but I suspect that they are not quite ready to display their capablilty of a blue water submarine fleet capable of projecting similar stealth and launch abilities of their counterparts, the Soviet Union. Just my humble opinion.
- Mikemorrison281
I’d believe it was something N. Korea did before China. Bottom line is if the government was completely suprised, they’ll NEVER EVER admit to us they screwed the pooch. If it was something WE did, they’ll never admit that, either. We will never know for sure unless someone takes credit for it. I’m convinced that we’ve had terrorists shoot ground to air missles off our coast lines at least once…and you remember how fast the government and the media moved to say that it wasn’t what people saw with their own eyes.
- Don17k
Bottom line is also that if it was a show of force, it would be declared to the world, not just to us. The BBC would have picked it up, too. The only way this makes sense is if the government did it to encourage some recalcitrant members of Congress to not cut defense spending. And by the government, I mean maybe not the politicians at all… maybe the military, at the suggestion of some contractors who don’t want appropriations cut by people more afraid of the debt than the threat.
- Mikemorrison281
I’d believe it was something N. Korea did before China. Bottom line is if the government was completely suprised, they’ll NEVER EVER admit to us they screwed the pooch. If it was something WE did, they’ll never admit that, either. We will never know for sure unless someone takes credit for it. I’m convinced that we’ve had terrorists shoot ground to air missles off our coast lines at least once…and you remember how fast the government and the media moved to say that it wasn’t what people saw with their own eyes.
- Cowgirlinalaska
I don’t know what the heck it was, but I know it was no airplane… it sure looks like a MISSILE to me, as the different stages occur… and I wouldn’t believe Obama if he told me OK was in the center of the US, I’d check a map, lol
- Josie
Well that’s one explanaition I never thought of but sure makes sense. Each day gets heavier and heavier.
- Admiral Liu Huaqing
You pathetic lackeys of the capitalist running dogs! This wasn’t even the first time our glorious comrades have mocked you by launching a missile near your left-but-not-left-enough-for-us coast! We did the same on 12/31/09 — see http://xrl.in/6oo1 — but most of you were too busy planning your decadent holiday revels to even notice!
- Esther
When the Chinese finally come collecting, they will do so with an invasion of our West coast, while their allies invade from South America. Yes, call me crazy – just wait and see…..
- Paulchri
The Chinese vowed to take us down financially a long time ago. So far as the west coast is concerned, they have already taken over the largest port on the west coast. They knew they couldn’t beat us militarily. It has backfired to some extent, because the dollar that they purchased will be worth little of nothing. They are using their clout to their best advantage now, and are trying to get ride of their dollars. They will suffer as well as everyone else, but they have what they need to stay strong. And endless supply of slaves for military and industry, and new resource deals with Russia and Iran. They are playing their cards well. The bible tells of a 200 million man army from the east in the battle of the valley of Magetto. They now have a highway to get there. The scene is set, and when the world goes against Israel and the powers go to battle, they will be there.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000220027383 Troy La Mana
As I said previously about this event: Check with Pave Paws West at Beale AFB, CA.
Any SSBM launch would have been picked up and tracked. If it wasn’t ours every asset on the West coast would have gone on alert. - ToddW
I don’t know what it was. If it came out of the water it wasn’t a plane. Last I heard of anything on China subs they had one nuclear missile subs but that was years ago.
- http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple
I have been wondering if it might have been some kind of experimental military jet, like a Stealth Bomber, that was malfunctioning slightly. I remember at one point in one video I saw, the contrail appeared to be spiraling very intensely and swiftly. So there’s no way it was an ordinary jet, because if a passenger, commercial jet was to spiral that way, we would have learned by now what plane it was and what the problem was.
If that was a Chinese missile, then somebody over there has gone completely off the rails and acted without authorization.
- Anonymous
The timing seems to have added to the conspiracy, right when Bernanke is pulling his crap.
- Paulchri
How would you tie the two together in a conspiracy theory?
- Anonymous
the conspiracy as a response to Bernanke’s actions. Didn’t mean to imply Bernanke was part of THAT conspiracy although I do question his timing/motives.
- Paulchri
You think it was a nice little distraction. Could be. It seems like so few people even know much about the Fed Res. Those that do, are making ground. Too bad it is a hundred years later.
- Brad860
Ya know… This theory kind-a makes sense… All of a sudden; all the members of NATO (and including Russia) just okay-ed a plan to allow a U.S. Missile Defense Shield to be deployed in there countries… Go Figure…
- Don17k
“Beck postulates that this missile was possibly from a Chinese sub off the coast of California, perhaps as a show of force to the world, but even more so to President Obama”
What’s the point of a “show of force” without declaring who’s showing it? That would be like Al-Qaeda trying to pass off a car bomb as a gas main explosion. And for those who postulate they’re just telling the US government that, and the mystery contrail theory is the government’s… the government that did this, if it’s RNK or Iran or whoever… wouldn’t just tell us, they’d tell the world what they can do. China might be more subtle, but they don’t need to resort to force, and that isn’t their style, these days. If it was, they’d have used force to take over Taiwan by now.
- Paulchri
I agree. I have a hard time believing that our government doesn’t know exactly who it was. I think that if they didn’t know, they could find out fairly easily. The only reason I believe they wouldn’t tell the truth is because it was them. If it was them, then why not tell the truth? I think, to cause a reaction. Why? Because they are going to use it somehow.
- Cheryl~
You know everyone says we have the greatest armed forces, intelligence, etc here in the US so if that is true then OF COURSE we know what it was and who it was…unfortunately we cannot trust our government anymore.
- Cheryl~
You know everyone says we have the greatest armed forces, intelligence, etc here in the US so if that is true then OF COURSE we know what it was and who it was…unfortunately we cannot trust our government anymore.
- Paulchri
I wish people would quit excusing our Fed gvnmt and saying that they just make many, many mistakes. Even conservatives made excuses for Bush saying that he just wasn’t smart enough. Bull doody. His presidency was planned out. He may have been a puppet just as Obama is, but he wasn’t that stupid.
- Paulchri
I know you are not a truther, but I am. That means that I don’t believe my gvnmts story, not that I know exactly what happened. There are so many cover ups and lies around that event that nobody who studies it could believe their story about how they fell. I did for years, but not now. Architects and engineers give scientific evidence that makes sense, and government gives us the 911 commission. Six out of ten of them say they were denied information and ultimately told what to say. We all need to be truthers until a real investigation is done.
- Cheryl~
You know everyone says we have the greatest armed forces, intelligence, etc here in the US so if that is true then OF COURSE we know what it was and who it was…unfortunately we cannot trust our government anymore.
- Cheryl~
You know everyone says we have the greatest armed forces, intelligence, etc here in the US so if that is true then OF COURSE we know what it was and who it was…unfortunately we cannot trust our government anymore.
- Josie
I saw a new film called “What in the World are they Spraying?” yesterday. We were told to spread the word and let others know that this is available online (select Long 20+min) on the right side to get full length film. It is 97min long that tells you what’s going on all over the world without our knowing. Very upsetting and will most likely make you mad as hell after seeing it. It’s explains the Chemtrail/Geo-Engineering cover-up that we have witnessed sprayed on our skies, seeding the clouds and the link to the seed patents. The engineered seeds are the only type of plant that can thrive with the high levels of Aluminum, Strotorium (sp) and Barium that has been found in the soil all over the world. This could also be the cause of the increased rate of diseases as well as the increase fires in Calif/Ariz.
- Paulchri
I watched an interview of the guy that made the film. He said they found very high levels of aluminum and barium salts in the snow on Mt Shasta. I live a couple of hours away from there. There is no natural aluminum, and it is in the snow. Which comes from the sky. There are many testimonies of people who felt it hitting the ground and took samples that showed the same things as you mentioned. From what I understand, they tried selling this as a global warming solution. It never took. They said that they were thinking about test runs and such, but are already doing it.
When you look at the big picture, you should see the reality of the globalists. They are eugenicists. They want to spread disease. They do it through vaccines, fluoride, aspartame, pharmaceuticals, GMO food, and chem-trails. Probably more. It is a huge lie that world government will solve our problems unless you believe that severely reducing populations is good. Some people do. Obama care ultimately will end up killing millions. Make people sick, then take away the care. Weed out the old and infirm, and put the rest to work doing their bidding. I watched an interview with Bill Gates. He said that there are death panels in the bill. He said, “what would you rather have, end of life care to extend a life for a little while, or hire ten teachers”. Bill and Melinda Gates masquerade as philanthropists, but spend billions killing people with technological and medical means.
- jus’passin’thru
Scary… I’m sure there’s a lot of truth to this stuff… like the rationing of care in times of emergency and/or shortages (which has been admitted and is verifiable)… which pretty well describes our immediate future, doesn’t it?
- Josie
Thanks Paulchri for your comments. It seems that everyday we get kicked in the gut. This is mind boggling and so hard to believe and recognize in the evil that is around us. When you hear these people talk so matter of fact about the loss of 25 mil people as if it is a necessary thing that must happen it is stunning.
I heard from a friend that has relatives that own crop land/winery in Calif and they said they have known the gov has lied to them for many years – (years – which would mean this has been in practice long before Odumbo) that their land is being made arid and poisoned to make way for the wind turbines. If you look at the film, take notice of all the Legislators that are interviewed (at least they try to interview them), most say they have never heard about it until one of the last ones that says “Yes we have had three – four meeetings about this issue”. So who was at these meetings if all the rest say they don’t know anything about it. The are all liars. I am interested in hearing what the new Legislators tell the people once they are made aware of this.
So how do we protect future generations? Seems so futile but I will not give up. - Paulchri
My belief is that of a biblical perspective. I don’t believe we have generations left. You could say that I am a pessimist on that subject. I am personally just avoiding sodium fluoride, aspartame, GMOs, animal growth hormones, ammalgum filling with mercury, and vaccines with thimerisol mercury. I grow my own food, and only buy a few fresh organics at the store. If you watch movies like Food Inc, A Beautiful Truth, and the like, you would too. Check out Jeffrey Smith on GMOs. He is awesome at explaining the science. I don’t have any chemicals in my water where I live. Not even chlorine. Many don’t have the option anymore. To prepare for the near future, I would say, get out of debt any way you can, buy long term useful items such as canning equipment etc. Don’t save money because it will be worth very little. Spend your money on getting ready for really bad times. If you lessen your lifestyle now, it won’t be as hard later.
There is only so much you can do. Get to know God if you don’t. Look forward toward eternity. Love others and take advantage of every day.
Just my opinion, of course.
- Don17k
One other possibility.. Is there any natural gas drilling going on in the region? Hydraulic fracturing means forcing chemicals and metals down into the ground at high pressure to break of the shale that traps the natural gas, and then the whole mess comes back up to the surface. Companies don’t have to say what they’re using, so they don’t, but they are using stuff like strontium. It’s been found leeching up into the aquifer and groundwater. That can explain almost any bizarre presence in the precipitation. I hear of it mostly going on with Marcellus shale in the PA/OH/MI area, but it can be used on natural gas in any kind of shale or breakable strata, and isn’t there natural gas in the AZ/CA region?
- Paulchri
I think that what they are finding in the snow and in the soil is what was said that they wanted to use to start with. Aluminum and barium salts.
- Paulchri
These particulates are heavier than air, so I don’t see how they would get from a ground source up into the skies, and then back down to the ground. It is in the snow, so it has to come in with the weather systems. They are predominately from west to east and we are on the coast line. Don’t really see that being plausible. At least not what is found on Mt Shasta, and Napa Valley.
- Me
A couple of points. The chance of a Chines sub getting that close and getting a missile off is slim to none. Our sub defenses are excellent. It could also be construed as an act of war. The Chinese aren’t that stupid. Second, we have indeed launched missiles in error before. About 5 years ago there was a night cruise missile launch off Florida that crossed over most of the US and into Canada. The airline ops centers all got calls to help find and track it. I know because I was involved. Scary things do happen.
- Anonymous
The best part of this is that a submarine can pilot itself right off the American coast and not be detected, moreover tracked down after its ‘knock’ on our door. Talk about how far down our military (Navy) has fallen. Oh, and by all means, let’s make our military more accommodating to social changes. For starters.
Glenn Beck says that he has spoken to military experts about the mystery contrail and he says it’s definitely not a plane, but rather a two stage missile. He just wants to know where it came from, and he has a theory. Beck postulates that this missile was possibly from a Chinese sub off the coast of California, perhaps as a show of force to the world, but even more so to President Obama:
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