....and you, Kordane...would not be the stubborn human you are if some woman had not allowed you to be the embryo you needed to be inside of her to become human...therefore embryos and humans are one and the same...we ALL NEED one another to survive in this world! God bless your stubborn mind! ~ tjw
The issue is not "right and left", the issue is right and wrong. Socialism is wrong. Illegal immigrants are wrong, bailouts is wrong. Le'ts get it right, not wrong.
This fed stuff looks really bad for Mr. Cain http://youtu.be/WUa8wxye8RM
Hey "conservative", your SIN is showing. If you don't know what I'm talking about here is Herman Cain's video on youtube about it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZDkacOveF0&feature=player_embedded . It describes you perfectly.
I would like everyone to think about one thing. Think about your grandma on social security that with the 999 plan Cain propses, would cost them an extra 9% tax on milk, bread, medicine, meat, gas that they buy. So we want our lowest class of people paying that 9 percent tax when they cant already deciede if they can pay the heating bill or pick their perscriptions???? Ask your self that because ALL of us knows someone in that position!! Mr. Cain with all due respect these numbers are wronf and will not help anyone but the corporations that will only pay 9 % tax instead of the 30 % or so that is there now. I think you will be making a need for more entitlement programs. Now if that is what you are trying to do, your going in the righ direction!
You don't get it. They ARE an actual person and you ARE killing them. It's no secret that throughout history that in order to get the population comfortable with mass murder you must first dehumanize the victim. That is precisely what the abortion rights activists have set out to do.
We are immune to your dehumanizing propaganda.
He served on the State board for the federal Reserve. That doesn't mean he supports what the Feds do. Allen West serves on the Black Caucus. Not because he agrees with them, but that is a better way to make a change in thier thinking.
I read every post you made in this thread. I am a fairly intelligent person and there is just one thing that I do not understand from you. Why are you so incredibly adamant about not giving rights to a fetus? What could it possibly hurt to extend the basic right to (in your words, not mine) become a life?
Based on what you are laying on the table, you are very close to this situation and that is really too bad. It would be great if every child were born to two loving and devoted parents who were rich beyond necessity and who had a life plan to raise a child. The sad truth is that this does not happen every time and when it does, there are moral boundaries that are tested. I hope, for your sake, that you can open your heart a little and see what we are advocating. Me, NCHokie2, and others are not using pure intellect, we are using a moral and emotional line as well.
While cases of rape and incest test me from time to time, I ask you these questions: In cases where the woman is using abortion as a form of birth control, should she not be held responsible for her actions? Is there any, ANY case where you can see that abortion is wrong? If not, where does that leave the father of the child (clump of cells, your words)? Does he not have a right to protect his seed?
So, no new candidates ever? Experience in office is overrated, leadership is not seen only in office. (sometimes we see more lack of it).
You liberal people are so wacky. You blame others for the problems of the country that you are throwing fuel on to fuel the fire!!!. You all believe in gay marriage & you have no morals. All you ever do is protest & talk about taking God out of our schools & our way of life. I'd hate to see you on that day that you have to walk through those pearly gates & answer to our maker.
Sounds to me like he knows what the country's priorities are & will take a Ronald Regan approach & get this country back on the right track!!!!
here ya go kennedy.........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQw7MyPrwJA
Follow Herman's advice and read ALL of the Declaration of Independence. A great thought exercise is to replace King George with Obama/Bush in the text and see if we are now facing the same oppression that drove the colonists to reject the king.
Maybe if she learned how to close her legs better, she wouldn't have that "clump of cells" in there that might ruin her life. The use of abortion is predominantley as birth control. Not for any other reason. So either learn how to use a rubber, the pill, or even foam and the sponge, or learn how to close your legs.
"A woman's body belongs to her, and until that embryo becomes a body that is capable of existing independent of the woman's body, then it is a part of the woman's body no different from any other organ, and she can choose to remove it if she so wishes, just as she can choose to remove her tonsils or appendix."
If that is the case, then how do you explain late term abortions that kill a viable baby. Considering a baby can live outside the womb after 6 months in the womb, then why are babies aborted at 8 months, then killed or ignored till they die. YOU MAY WANT TO NOTE, REMOVING A HEALTHY APPENDIX OR TONSILS IS AGAINST THE LAW AND AGAINST EVERY COVENANT OF THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH.
The first time i heard Herman Cain speak, I was put off by his seeming ignorance of the Constitution. On a few occasions since, he's made statements that indicated the same lack of knowledge re: our founding documents. BUT - in this speech, and in several others before it, he has shown improvement in this critical area, and now in this one he has begun to parse individual words in the DoI. FINALLY, a nat'l figure takes the time to  understand these documents, and  pass that understanding on to an audience.
Well done, Mr. Cain; you have shown a willingness to identify and correct issues on a proactive basis.
Since SP has taken herself out of the running, I am now solidly behind the Hermanator. Perry & Romney might as well skip off into the sunset together.
Love This!! Great job Mr. Cain!! You are saying everything the American people need right now! We so bad need hope and someone who is truly here to help mend the damage that has been done to this nation. Please stay true to your values and beliefs. America needs someone like you, a true leader and a real American who will lead us back!! Thank You!!
I'm pleased at the quality of discussion and thought on this thread. I appreciate the clarity that Mr. Cain brings to the campaign process and i do feel comfortable that I know where he's coming from in every respect. I have been excited to see Gov. Perry enter the race as another valuable point of view - but of all the candidates thus far I trust and I can actually watch without cringing, its Mr. Cain. To this day I cannot bear to look at former Pres. Clinton or Barak Obama. I think they're liars and I don't trust them. What did it for me with Bill Clinton was his fake tears he made certain the press saw and reported. My Mom called him a despicable man. That was strong language for her... I have no further comments on Pres. Obama. I am sadly not enthusiastic with Mr. Romney - he makes me very ucomfoprtable since I do not really trust anything he says. Worldwide, we do need clarity and certainty I love another comment below about Mr. Bolton as Secretary of State. Wow. That would solve a lot of problems and save us a lot of money as well. God Bless us one and all, and God Bless America
Not five minutes into this speech, he contradicts himself...as usual. He belives in Liberty and the pursuit of happiness, but he would call on the dept. of justice to enforce marriage between a man a woman, but don't tread on another's liberty. He believes in the American dream yet he sees nothing wrong with his 999 plan putting the poor deeper into the poor house. And he still doesn't understand how the banking system and Wall Street created the economic collapse with their crooked practices. If they didn't, why did they need TARP and WHY DID HE SUPPORT IT? And what's wrong with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? Why do they need fixing if the banking industry doesn't have a problem? I quit watching when he claimed he would follow Reagan's foreign policy. He has no foreign policy. Cain doesn't have a clue and he just so full of it. And yes, I am a Paul supporter..and proud of it. I guess 37% of the voters were too!!!BTW, O'Donnell owned Cain in the interview.
Abortion, to you, means birth control. Why? Because you are the worst type of idiot that has ever been produced by this world. An educated one. When did you get more knowledge than God? When did you become supreme designer of this world?
Do not dare call any of us "retards" when, by my standards you are less worthy to exist than thousands of embryos that have the potential to perform millions of good works. You pass judgement without thinking. You condemn without understanding. You do not hold anyone accountable for their own actions, but defame those who raise the question.
If this country does not return to solid Christian values and a reliance on God, the Creator, then it does not matter if Obama, or Biden, or even you, Kordane, become President. The chances of the United States continuing as a nation without repentance, are slim at best. I pray God stays his hand, but it is getting harder and harder to find the 10 men in the USA worth saving. Gen 18:32
Cain's greatest strength is his 9 9 9 plan. If he can get it passed, it will revolutionize the business world. It will make things affordable and revitalize the economy. The only thing that I am concerned about is the ones who are too scared of change to make anything happen. As a country, we need to decide if we have lost the ability to innovate, or if we can evolve into a new economy.
What is exceptional about the United States is its constitutional form of government and the principles upon which it was established. These principles are recorded in the Unanimous Declaration. Today our government violates the constitution and the principles contained in the declaration daily. We need a revival and restoration. I will cast my vote for the person whose record gives the rhetoric credibility.
Herman Cain is a formidable candidate. He is a good orator and appears to believe in his stated positions. A man to watch.
You might not be behind him, but to say he's not a conservative is delusional -- ergo, probably a ron paul libertarian. Libertarians are not conservatives. That's why we have different words for them.
Ron Paul is only conveniently a republican. I wish he'd go away.
This is interesting since the NY Times is reporting Ron Paul won it.
I want to add my gratitude for those who made possible here, the viewing of Mr. Cain's speech yesterday. As a conservative, it feels so good to have some passion of my own for the message of a presidential candidate. Not since Reagan have I felt my heart rate accelerate for the words and speech of a national leader. May God bless and protect Herman Cain.
And who assigned the word "potential" to the human-being-ness of the embryo? The assignation was based on political considerations, not scientific ones.
The hard thing about the abortion debate is it always seems to be one extreme or the other. Either you allow all abortions or deny all abortions. But the thing about life is .. well ... it isn't so cut and dry.
Should doctors perform abortions for birth control purposes?? Absolutely not!
But what if the woman was raped? Why should she be 'made' to go through with this pregnancy? Why should she be reminded for nine months about the horror she had to go through? Why should we the public decide for HER what she can endure or not?
This is why it is such a passionate issue.
Government in its current state is a failure. You have a bunch of rich people trying to tell us how to run our lives, stealing our money and property, giving it to their top contributors under the guise of bailouts and loan guarantees (Solyndra) telling us its for our benefit, selling us out to foreign governments. Do you really want more of the same? The rules of math and economics apply the same to business and government. Government has chosen to ignore them and look where we're at. We need a President who understands that you can't continue to spend what you don't have.
Oh my, government in its current state is a failure. You have a bunch of rich people trying to tell us how to run our lives, stealing our money and property, giving it to their top contributors under the guise of bailouts and loan guarantees (Solyndra) telling us its for our benefit, selling us out to foreign governments. Do you really want more of the same? The rules of math and economics apply the same to business and government. Government has chosen to ignore them and look where we're at. We need a President who understands that you can't continue to spend what you don't have.
“Dogma voters” is the more fitting label. “Values voters” is a label invented by people who like to think of themselves as championing good human values. What many of them are pushing actually is dogma. “Values” are “the principles that help you to decide what is right and wrong, and how to act in various situations.” Cambridge Dictionary of American English. “Dogma” is “a fixed, esp. religious, belief or set of beliefs that people are expected to accept without any doubts.” Id. The two, we can only hope, overlap to some extent, but they are hardly the same. Some of what religious fundamentalists hold up as values others find plainly wrongheaded and even immoral. Labels count. Those pushing the “values voters” label hope it will help them pass off their dogma as values. If they want to push their dogma, that’s their right. But “dogma voters” they are, and that’s what I’ll call them.
Liberal tactic: Name calling.
Do you not see yourself in the mirror? Dogma is just another word for what one holds to be foundational truth. Everyone has dogma.
So what are your dogmas? I would bet they would sound a lot like this: "From each, according to his ability, and to each according to his need." If you agree with that, then you have the same dogma as Karl Marx.
It is the dogma voters who will die to protect your unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. As the founding fathers wrote, "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor." and the dogma voters honor that same pledge. You should be thanking God for those who keep watch over your liberties.
I appreciate that dogma voters include among their ranks patriots who will defend the rights of those who disagree with them. Did you mean to imply, without actually saying, that others who don't share their dogma will do any less in this regard? If so, I'll be the first to say you're wrong--very much so.
Way back in the beginning, I started sending $5.00 a month to the Cain campaign. Throughout all these months, I have continued to do the same, and I have continued to support him above all the others. Perhaps just this once, the candidate I support from the beginning will become the nominee. That would be too cool.
Lets not forget there will be only 7 seats that need to change hands to the republicans in the Senate. That happens,we control the Senate with a Republican Cain president. Imagine just imagine