Look sorry for the loss of American lives and especially our emergency services. But in research, Emergency was surveying Spangler and interfering with his ability change and be forgiven for what he has done in the past. His ability to gain employment and keep it, ability to love and be loved his civil rights where being violated by Emergency services of that county. His past of the murder of his grandmother had the attention of Emergency services, he paid for his crime and the emergency services of that country had him in their sights. They were clandestinely stalking him, violating his every move to improve the quality of his own live. People make mistakes in their lives and the judicial system punishes them but after completing successfully his punishment, the country continued to punish and abuse him. So he set them up! He saw what was going on and life with the government on your back at times seems to be not worth living. In this research I apologize for their losses but the emergency services, mainly the fire dept. with the support of law enforcement and all emergency services were in the wrong and this man defended his honor. Which I don’t agree and am sorry for the loss, Emergency services need to survey without interfering with the targets lively hood if within the law. SORRY FOR THE LOSS but speaking from experience and never being a convicted felon but have researched and are suspicious of Emergency services. Thank you for your time. RAW! Emergency services needs to be investigated by federal authorities for the violation of Americans Civil and Constitutional rights. People do change and want and need to be forgiven!
This tragedy occurred one mile from me as the crow flies. These men were our neighbors...members of our community. Outstanding members of our community ! Killed for what ? The man who did the killing was an ex con who already had killed his grandmother with a damn hammer ! And yet, he only served 17 years in prison. Why was he ever let out ? This is not about gun control. This is about those who are mentally deranged who are using illegal weapons to do the evil deeds that they do. May this Spengler guy rot in hell ! We mourn the loss of these two fine gentlemen who were ambushed. We pray for the recovery of the two firemen who are still in guarded condition at Strong Memorial Hospital and we pray for the recovery of our community. There are no easy answers and we never, ever expected anything like this to happen so very close to home. I do not know what else to say. God bless us all.
Instead of publicizing the names of gun owners, we should be publicizing the names of the lawyers, judges and parole board members who release heinous criminals like this on the population. Then they want to deprive law-abiding citizens of all means of protecting themselves.
I know the name of the shooter, I've heard it a 100 times. I don't know the names of the victims, I've seen their names & faces just a few times.
Yes, and what for? The murderer is dead. Shouldn't the news readers say, the murderer of Lt. Michael Chiapperini and Tomasz Kaczowka killed himself and his sister,...PERIOD? Shouldn't you have heard the names Tomasz Kaczowka and Lt. Michael Chiapperin a hundred times instead of the perp's name?
Another update: Another body found in shooter's home, believed to be his sister.
He should never have been let out of prison, and likely should have been executed years ago for killing his grandmother with 36 blows of a hammer while on drugs.
From the Manchurian Candidate to Arlo Guthrie to Zero orchestrating it all,I have now read all the comments here and have one thing to add...GET MENTAL HELP,IMMEDIATELY!!!Your membership manifesto should begin with ..."Check ups from the neck up for all!"Really now,it's not too late,come back to the USA,Planet Earth,it's still the greatest place to live!
Nukeman--Holy water???And it burns(that's some spooky trick),I never had that problem but obviously you do and should have an Exorcist look into that for you?Now since you had nothing of substance to comeback with on the reality front then you are saying yes,all that voted to let him go free were Repubs!Thanks ,Happy Holidays!!!
I am searching everywhere for facts because I see some here already blaming Dems and this was all I could find,so please tell me if this is true or not ...The criminal defender who helped this man go free is now a Judge who ran under a Republican ticket. The judge who approved his parole, also a Republican. Of the 5 member on the parole board 2 were Progressives 3 Republicans.The 3 that voted to let him go free on parole were the Republicans?
Wow, it sounds like this is a heavy Republican state. No, wait, it's New York. Hmmm...
Here, let me wish you a Blessed Christmas. I know it must burn like Holy water, but if you use plenty of soap, like you did on your now fried computer, you'll be just fine. Please repeat after me - lalala, lalala...
Ho Ho Ho or Ha Ha Ha,I don't know whether to laugh or cry?I see Santa brought plenty of shiny,new Tin Foil Hats for all of the hate filled,bigoted,R/wingnut Conspiracy Wackos!Holy Jumping Jesus are you "people" depressing and scary as all hell,I don't know how I found this Freak Show but I will be scrubbing my computer to wash the filth and slime away!One funny thing though, I bet many here call yourselves "Christian",especially during this season , but you always leave out the most important part...HYPOCRITE!Oh yeah,Happy HOLIDAYS!!!
Grand jury indicted him for 2nd degree murder of his 92-year old grandmother with a hammer, pled down to manslaughter and then allowed to remain free on $15,000 bond until sentencing. What court does this? Yes, a rhetorical question.
Again, just enforce the current laws on the books. This "nut case" shouldn't have even been out on the street in the first place. A killer on "supervised parole?" GIVE ME A BREAK! This guy was found guilty of MURDER. Should have been put to death then! Too many do-gooders and sob-sisters out there today. You take a life - You Die. Plain and simple truth, the death penalty is definitely a deterrent!
proof, bloody and senseless as it is, that liberal rehabilitation of murderers and gun control fail miserably. It takes guts to live in a free society and a free society can never be a utopia. Only rats in a cage have "utopia". May the two firefighters rest in peace and the other two recover.
Another one "falls through the cracks". So the guy kills his grandmother and was released from prison. Makes perfect sense to me, seeing how our justice system works today. So is this what they mean by "rehabilitated"?
The guy MURDERED somebody in the past. The guy was obviously found guilty by a jury of his peers and convicted. I suppose he would never kill anybody ever again after being released from prison, right? Hey, but we should feel sorry for these guys because they have it so hard in prison. Executing somebody for in essence executing somebody else is too cruel and unusual. They deserve another chance in society. Now a fire department is short two firefighters and two families are short loved ones, not to mention the two who were wounded and the massive property damage that occurred. Hey, we gave the d-bag another chance and it turned out to be a failure. Oh well, c'est la vie.
the killer couldn't have a gun!! There is a LAW prohibiting felons to have guns! True!!!
Rrright, liberals -
you are as sick as they,
are not afraid to grab a hammer, a knife, a baseball bat, a gun.
Update #3 shows just exactly what kind of person we are dealing with in all of these killings. He set it up to be able to kill multiple people, knew he wouldn't get away, and killed himself in the end.
Why do all this? For the glory and fame, why else. Otherwise just shoot yourself and get it over with. It seems pretty obvious to me what we must do. The media must stop immediately in glorifying these wackos. Bury their history and bio deep in the basement. Tell the public that a sick, demented wacko committed a crime and leave their name, picture and background out of the storyline. The police and professionals can take care of the details without the public being up front and in the know about every little detail.
Once these wackos realize they won't get that 15 minutes of fame, perhaps they won't be so interested in being the next big story out there. That's the only way we are going to break this string of insane incidents.
The LameStream has to be held accountable. If they want to have an honest discussion about the causes, they better start right there.
Yea that will fix it, no other nation has that problem. Perfect solution if we pretend it didn't happen, it won't happen again.
Uk gun crimes are on the rise. Uk police are sporting machine guns now. UK violent crime is out of control. Us gun crime is on the decline. Gun-free zones are insane. Keep them in your house and broadcast it. I will broadcast that I'm armed and trained. Let's see who gets robbed first (and don't call me. I won't waste a bullet defending you).
You like to spew rubbish, but you have no facts save for one wiki stat that means absolutely nothing and can compare to nothing. Read the article I suggested or get off the pot. Restating the same lame item over and over again that has nothing to do with the problem really doesn't solve anything.
But then you never really were interested in solving anything, were you. We knew that. You never responded to any of the links we posted to you before, so why do it now?
Once again, always with your finger on the pulse. It's really impressive how you can be so astute. What would the UK do in this situation? They haven't had a killing with a gun in about 7,000 years now, wasn't it?
And before you ask me what my solution is, read down a few posts. I already told ya.
No seriously turrets at the top of all trucks, cause it is a mental health issue that is the problem and the US is the only one with that problem.
Don't talk % increase talk about whole numbers. You want to know how silly your stupid argument is a 100% increase in gun related homicides from 2009 to 2010 would mean 36 people died not 18 in the UK.
A 1% increase in American gun related crime deaths would mean 149 more people would die. Get it 100% increase and a 1% increase and 131 more Americans die.
Give your head a shake and look at the whole numbers your % arguments are dense. Only people with a weak minded case argues % with wide variances in baseline numbers.
'UK gun homicides 2009 18 http://www.gunpolicy.org/firea...
US gun homicides 2009 11,493 http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastat...
Yea those British should be really frightened maybe get them over and they can meet with you. You can let them know how they can get those % down. HAHAHAHA' - f
You really are getting boring, aren't you. They don't need to be frightened of me. They need to be frightened of their own crime rates.
UK gun homicides 2009 18
US gun homicides 2009 11,493
Yea those British should be really frightened maybe get them over and they can meet with you. You can let them know how they can get those % down. HAHAHAHA
Frank, you are a coward. You do not feel the average American can be trusted with a firearm. Only the great educated elite and the government (ran by the great educated elite) can be trusted, they always have our best interests at heart, just ask Mao or Pol Pot. A coward never backs up his argument with proven facts. A coward distracts the facts against him with straw arguments (arm the children). Your facts are fraudulent, you position cannot be proven and your counter arguments are nothing but deflection and hyperbole. Frank, you are a coward.
'No worries tomorrow another 80 people will die, more then [sic] all the first nations of the world combined. But you and I know guns aren't the problem.' - f
The amount of gun deaths every year has been declining since the 1980s. It is estimated that firearms are used 2 to 2.5 million times annually for self-defense. This means that firearms are 80 times more likely to save a life than to take a life.
The rate of motored vehicle deaths is still substantially larger at 42,000 deaths a year. Tobacco is still the #1 killer in the United States causing an average of 440,000 deaths a year.
You really do need to read some of the stuff that we send you. It would really help and save you a lot of embarrassment. Other than that, can you spew the same stat just once again? I don't think we debunked it quite enough yet.
No worries tomorrow another 80 people will die, more then all the first nations of the world combined. But you and I know guns aren't the problem.
I seriously think your keyboard is stuck. Either that or you're the next 15 minutes of fame waiting to happen.
No Americans have it right, we need more guns. Even though we have the the most deaths and mass shootings. What we need is more people with guns lets not examine other countries with far better records and gun control. ARM THE CHILDREN
Try reading some of the stuff given to you that you demand we show you. If you think Ayles is a conservative, then you need to do a lot more reading.
You have a great Christmas too. I am busy reading Roger Ayles. That lefty communist liberal pinko, oh who runs Fox and also believes in some forms of gun control. These lefties are everywhere.
Yea serious discussion that does not include any notion of any form of gun control....whatever.....arm the children
If you want a serious discussion about gun control, then you should read this first:
No, I mean seriously read it, not just spout off. Your arguments are way off, but we can discuss it intelligently. If you choose not to open your eyes to the words of a professional, then just spout off as you have been. We'll be happy to take you down - again.
Welcome the media-driven and Hollywood-driven anarchy to the streets of America in the 21st century.
Let me guess... it was bunch of unarmed American's that stopped the shooter, right? I mean, they must have been unarmed since that's the only things that works according to Democrats, right?
No, one psycho who was released from prison by liberals and who wasn't allowed to own a gun; used his illegal gun to kill some people who happen to be firefighters. That's what really happened.