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It's very simple. He either doesn't know what Sharia law is or he thinks we don't.
Sharia law is in conflict with our constitution, our laws, and all of the work we've done as a nation to protect and give freedoms to women.
Example:
An unmarried or divorced woman becomes pregnant as a result of a rape. Some Sharia courts do not recognize DNA testing or the evaluation of possible paternity by other blood tests. The case results in the alleged rapist is found not-guilty because his involvement cannot be proven. But if an unmarried woman becomes pregnant, she can be assumed to be guilty of extra-marital sexual activity and can be executed. If she claims that she was raped and is unable to prove her case, then she will probably receive severe punishment, possibly execution by stoning (depending on which country she lives in).
Does this sound like the women's rights we worked so hard to achieve? Does this sound constitutional? Does this match up with Imam Rauf's words in the video?
Al-Taqiyya allows any Muslim to lie cheat or steal and to renege on any agreement or treaty made with an infidel in the furtherance of Islam.
Al-taqiyya and dissimulation are words used for a practice of
Muslims blatantly lying to non-Muslims. Fundamental Muslims consider the act of Al-taqiyya or lying to non-Muslims to be a good work. This is very important when one remembers that, in Islam, salvation is determined by good works. This means that a Muslim lying to a non-Muslim is that Muslim
doing a good work to earn salvation. It is almost equivalent to
a Christian accepting Jesus as his savior.
Allah sanctions anything in the furtherance of Islam.
Qur'an 8:39 "So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam." "Kill until Allah is ilah (god)"
Al-Taqiyya allows any Muslim to lie cheat or steal and to renege on any agreement or treaty made with an infidel in the furtherance of Islam.
Al-taqiyya and dissimulation are words used for a practice of
Muslims blatantly lying to non-Muslims. Fundamental Muslims consider the act of Al-taqiyya or lying to non-Muslims to be a good work. This is very important when one remembers that, in Islam, salvation is determined by good works. This means that a Muslim lying to a non-Muslim is that Muslim
doing a good work to earn salvation. It is almost equivalent to
a Christian accepting Jesus as his savior.
Allah sanctions anything in the furtherance of Islam.
Qur'an 8:39 "So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam." "Kill until Allah is ilah (god)"
You do realize you are completely misquoting what he actually says right? He is promoting Sharia that is based on actual Quranic laws, not the Hadith literature that extremist places like Saudi Arabia focus on. That's why he discusses freedoms of religion that exist in the Quran but not in places like Saudi Arabia. Why do people insist on twisting people's words to make them evil? Why not instead listen and try to understand what people are really saying?
You do realize you are completely misquoting what he actually says right? He is promoting Sharia that is based on actual Quranic laws, not the Hadith literature that extremist places like Saudi Arabia focus on. That's why he discusses freedoms of religion that exist in the Quran but not in places like Saudi Arabia. Why do people insist on twisting people's words to make them evil? Why not instead listen and try to understand what people are really saying?
You're not sure...?
Ok.
Your misunderstanding of the ideological battle is obvious.
So... I'm movin' on.
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STOP! Islamization Of America
Actually it is permitted if a Muslim is in fear of physical or mental harm or if they perceive a threat to Islam. This is a pretty broad allowance.
btw...
sharia does not DISALLOW the clitoris cutting you call cultural...
If clitoris cutting were disallowed under sharia, there would be no problem...
Since sharia will never be changed because mo/allah created it perfect from the start, muslims will always mutilate their daughters because that's just the way muslims roll...
Don17000,
I know you are a muslim taking direction from the OIC...
www.thereligionofpeace.com
www.jihadwatch.org
www.gatesofvienna.blogspot.com
islam will end.. America needed to experience sharia for the people to support the removal of makkah from existence...
islam cannot be perfect if there is no makkah and no borg cube...
Don17000, you just got served...
It is an absolute truth as far as is relevant for us. That's the point I was trying to make- As I'm typing I can run in circles as I forget how I was going to word something.-
While things may not be ultimately true in the entire life-span of the universe or the soul- The truths right now are certainly true for this part of existence.
The apple will fall 'down' from the tree. Without air/water, our bodies will die. While not proven true for all existence- they sure as hell are true now and will be for the foreseeable future.
People can wonder philosophically about the 'truth' just as they can through religion, but there are truths that can't be denied just because someone wants to view things as abstracts.
I think that there will always be a government or some kind of structure that intends to regulate or control people and their lives- which would make magnitude the only important thing.The second is not really a disagreement but an opinion- The unborn, wrongfully, can be denied the right to life so I am acknowledging that they can be considered someone that doesn't have the right to live by our culture.
But...?
Forgive him...
Don17000 doesn't know what he's talking about, so forgive him.
He also doesn't know what we are talking about, so forgive him.
This is from The Sunday Times... the Times online.
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STOP! Islamization Of America
There was one more item I neglected to mention, In order to enjoy any "rights" under Sharia one must meet a particular criteria, one must be a Muslim.
That depends on which school of the law is being followed. Over the centuries, some Muslim countries have allowed Christians to co-exist peacefully; some have made them second-class citizens; and some have brutally persecuted them.
In addition, some schools of Sharia exempt non-Muslims from military service (on the grounds that only Muslims should defend a Muslim nation), while others have allowed them as volunteer units, and still others have allowed them to enter their armed forces normally.
As with most things involving human beings, it's always a lot more complicated than we'd like it to be. The Qu'ran is a collected work, written over the space of 22 years; depending on how things were going, Mohammed wrote either that "People of the Book" were to be respected, or that we should be taxed unmercifully, or that we should be put to the sword. Each school of sharia law considers a different part of the Qu'ran more important, so you get a lot of variation. (That's before you even get into traditional (but not in the Qu'ran) items like the burqa...
In that respect, sharia is actually more like the body of Christian ecclesiastic law during the Middle ages and Renaissance; it's possible to justify almost anything if you choose the right verse.
That depends on which school of the law is being followed. Over the centuries, some Muslim countries have allowed Christians to co-exist peacefully; some have made them second-class citizens; and some have brutally persecuted them.
In addition, some schools of Sharia exempt non-Muslims from military service (on the grounds that only Muslims should defend a Muslim nation), while others have allowed them as volunteer units, and still others have allowed them to enter their armed forces normally.
As with most things involving human beings, it's always a lot more complicated than we'd like it to be. The Qu'ran is a collected work, written over the space of 22 years; depending on how things were going, Mohammed wrote either that "People of the Book" were to be respected, or that we should be taxed unmercifully, or that we should be put to the sword. Each school of sharia law considers a different part of the Qu'ran more important, so you get a lot of variation. (That's before you even get into traditional (but not in the Qu'ran) items like the burqa...
In that respect, sharia is actually more like the body of Christian ecclesiastic law during the Middle ages and Renaissance; it's possible to justify almost anything if you choose the right verse.
First of all, if you don't have a basic understanding of Sharia law or the Bill of Rights, you will not comprehend the offensive absurdity of the Imam's statements. Sharia Law does not extend personal freedom or the pursuit of happiness to all. These are caste societies ruled by wealth and royalty. In other words, there is almost no opportunity to improve one's place in life despite any desire to do so. The Islamic system of justice is neither, as it is dictated by religious doctrine and delivered by men who hold status in the community. Countries who practice Sharia Law regularly bury their women alive up to the neck, then beat or stone their heads until death prevails. These countries also circumcise their women which is nothing short of barbaric, and often leads to mutilation, infection and death. There is no freedom of religion. The liberty so many Americans are guaranteed in the Bill of Rights but choose to abuse rather than cherish, do not exist in any form under Sharia Law. As far as telling the Middle East what to do when it comes to their oil, if it wasn't for their oil, they would have perished decades ago.
Are we so limited in comprehension that we are not even sure of the absolute existence of our consciousness? Is it an absolute truth that we need water and air for our bodies to live? Is it an absolute truth that we harm others by killing them? Although we are limited in our knowledge- I agree with that- there are certain absolutes that are relevant to our existence since, for all intents and purposes, we can know them to be absolutely true since their rules are bound by the same rules of our existence and hold true for this existence.
Example: Uncertainty principle hypothetically allows for anything to happen in our universe and interpreted as a probability wave, BUT it does not mean it will happen within our lifetime or 1000 lifetimes. My TVs remote control can, according to physics, teleport from one side of the room to the other, but the likely hood is so low, that for our reality we can safely say that it is a law that the remote can not disappear and appear somewhere else. Or that if we drop something it will fall, but only according to probability- It may at one time fly up rather than fall- just because the possibility for something to occur exists, we should be realistic as to it's probability and be rational since we are limited in our existence, but also certain truths hold long enough that we can exist. In 15 billion years, lots of things can happen- with existence and the constructs we may interpret as part of our existence....most of the rules (absolute truths) we know have held together for billions of years- long enough for us to safely call them absolute.
As for the Sharia law and trying to understand his remarks. If you and I are having a conversation, but my intent is to subvert and then conquer you (or your land) then how truthful or how much trust can you put in my words given my goals? Can their be peace of my intentions are not peaceful and yours are?
THIS IS THE BIGGEST PILE OF CRAP I HAVE EVER HEARD. THEY CUT OFF ARMS, FEET, HANDS, NOESES OR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO TO A WOMAN. THIS IS
THE SICKEST GROUP OF PEOPLE EVER! GET RID OF THEM AND THEIR LAWS OUT
OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. WE ARE FED UP WITH THE FACT THAT SO MANY POLITICAL PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY AREN'T AWARE OF THE FACTS AND THE TRUTH. READ THE QUR'AN FOR YOURSELF AND TALK TO MUSLIMS THAT HAVE LEFT THE FAITH OF ISLAM. ITS A SICK WORPED RELIGION.
Where exactly (in the universe) does some form of the right to life not exist? In my opinion, the only reason to make the statement you made is to imply that they are comparable systems because, to my knowledge, there is no where in the world that doesn't allow someone some form of a right to live- to a certain extent unless they forfeit it according to the laws of their culture. It would be like stating that people have the right to walk in Islam just like we have here. It is basically true, as it is everywhere, unless your intent is to make a point that they are comparable (to other systems).I'm being nit-picky, and a little bit of a jerk, but I found no sense in your stating the obvious, if that was your intent. By your standards, you can claim anything is similar to anything else because the magnitude of something is not relevant, but only the fact that the 'something' is present in any form, comparable or not.
The Islamic jurist that Rauf refer's to is Muhammad ibn Idris ash-Shafi`i ,Founder of what is viewed in the Muslim world as the most conservative school on Sharia law. The Shāfi‘ī school of thought stipulates authority to four sources of jurisprudence, also known as the Usul al-fiqh. In hierarchical order, the usul al-fiqh consist of: the Quran, the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad, ijmā' ("consensus"), and qiyas ("analogy"). The "Five Rights" Rauf refers to only apply to Muslims and are not listed in anything like the Declaration or The Constitution.
As for the reference to "Five", In Islam there are "The Five Pillars of Islam",They are:
Sunni
Shahadah;is a statement professing monotheism and accepting Muhammad as God's messenger."There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of God."
Salah;is the daily prayers Fajr,Dhuhr,Asr,Maghrib and Isha's
Zakat;obligatory alms
Sawm (Siyam);Fasting,Ritual,For pennance,and ascetic
Hajj;the pilgramige to Mecca
Shia
* Tawhid (monotheism)
* Qiyamah (Day of Judgment)
* Nubuwwah (Prophethood [prophets of Islam, Isa (Jesus), Jewish prophets, and other prophets])
* Imamah (Leadership of the Twelve Imams)
* Adl (Justice).
In Sharia there are Five "classes",these relate to Sharia Law as categories of compliance.
Five positions or classes of Sharia
1. Actions obligatory on Believers.
2. Desirable or recommended (but not obligatory) actions.
3. Indifferent actions.
4. Objectionable, but not forbidden, actions.
5. Prohibited actions.
These are not rights,but an order to govern the everyday lives of Muslims.
As for Rauf being sent to the middle east by the Bush administration, there is no mention of it in his bios including the site for the organization he founded and is now run by his wife ASMA (American Society for Muslim Advancement). You would think that some one in his position would want to publicize that role. As far as him believing Gabriel dictating the Declaration to Jefferson,I would not be at all surprised.
Freedom of religion only if youre a muslim. Women's rights?! Where?! What made me sick the most was the laughter at the end..
How silly.
Why don't you address the reality if Sharia Law? Why must you just accept what he says when reality is entirely different?
Is there no absolute truth in your world?
"I call America a shariah compliant state..."
Is that so, Imam Rauf?
Well, I call political Islam a terror inducing ideology... NOT a religion.
And, Imam Rauf, America does NOT need shariah courts, does it... since America already has the U.S. constitution?
America does NOT need 2 court systems as in England, right, Imam Rauf?
Right.
As a practitioner of taqiyya, Iman Rauf knows that (... at 8 sec.) "... what's right with America and what's right with Islam is very much in sync" is a non-sequitur because the issue is NOT what is RIGHT with shariah... the issue is what is WRONG with shariah.
Hamas In Their Own Voices (2m. 55sec. ... at 2m 38sec. - "death to America")
Art
STOP! Islamization Of America
I just realized something relevant to this- Yesterday I remember Rush talking about this and making the case that they were attempting (with this mosque) to 'paint radical muslims like peaceful muslims' and not the other way around like the media seemed to imply that we were calling all muslims terrorists or radicals.
What he is saying is making exactly the same point in comparing Sharia to American founding documents.
Please compare the transgressions that forfeit the Muslim woman's right to life vs the transgressions we, as Americans, would deem evil enough to allow the same consequence for the same person.
Sharia Law is just like the Constitution? BullS&%$. These idiots will say anything to get there way. I am not tolerant anymore. Enough of these people is enough. Take your Camel and head back to the desert. We don't tell you what to do in the desert so don't try to tell us what to do in the home of the FREE and the home of the BRAVE. GO AWAY.
TRS, he isn't butchering sharia law. He's butchering the Constitution by comparing it to sharia.
I need an emoticon for lol+head exploding for when he said Sharia promotes right to life.
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