These libs. gay or not, give money to organizations that want to strip away my civil rights.
But that's ok because I am a Straight, White, Male over 50 and I don't count. Homie don't play dat.
"I’m going to guess that if this conversation went on a little longer, “Citizens United” would have found it’s way in somehow. Just a guess."
No need to guess, it's a foregone conclusion!
Gays have no fewer rights than straights, and the same requirements for a marriage license apply equally to each person (some variations by state).
Let me see if I understand this.
1) you have a right to your opinion
2) you have a right to donate your money as you please
3) because I disagree with you, you are infringing on my rights(exactly what rights those are we do not have any idea)
4) so we are going to protest and tells lies about you and your business in an attempt to bully you into shutting up.
Now I think I understand what she was saying, just took me a while to figure it out.
I do not remember the origin of this statement--a five to four vote does not mean it is constitutional. Well, the same thing applies to homosexuality, it is still a mental illness. Speaking of mental illness, people who kill themselves are ill and miserable and it is no one else fault should they put a period to their existence.
Please read the "Letter To Patriots" and pass it on if you feel it may enlighten others. There is important info regarding the recent Colorado Batman massacre in it too. http://www.scribd.com/doc/101871703/Letter-to-Patriots
the video shows it's being filmed in ga.,where gay marriage is'nt legal let alone a right.
which one of you in ga. is going to have your vote nutralized by her.
Marriage is something that people feel is an ordinance, ordained by God, and such. Well, the First Amendment says Congress shall make so law respecting the establishment of any religion. This means if your religious beliefs oppress the rights to others right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, then your wiping your ass with the Constitution when you should use your family Bible.
Problem is marriage was the purview of religion in this country until the mid 1960's when government took over licensing. So everything you think you know about marriage is incorrect.
Your argument just leaped off a high cliff.
1) Marriage WAS ORDAINED BY GOD alone!
2) Marriage is supported by government for posterity's sake.
3) The Constitution was NOT written in the back room of a secular bar on a cocktail napkin; it was written by men who had a holy reverence for God and who wanted to ensure religious freedom for future generations. THAT'S WHY religious liberty is immortalized in the FIRST AMENDMENT -- not the Second or third or 8th -- but in the FIRST.
4) The Constitution has its foundation the Declaration of Independence which reminds us that our rights as human beings are instituted by God -- our Creator-- not by a secular state.
Also, even though Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin are typically the only signers studied today, almost half of the signers of the Declaration (24 of 56) held what today would be considered seminary or Bible school degrees. There were over two hundred Founders (fifty-five at the Constitutional Convention, ninety who framed the First Amendment and the Bill of Rights, and fifty-six who signed the Declaration) yet atheists can only site the two LEAST religious!
5) Moral depravity offers NO BENEFIT TO A HEALTHY SOCIETY. History has proven this out ad nauseum. Moral depravity weakens the family and inevitably destroys the stability of society until it collapses in on itself.
6) Our form of government was never established to endorse immorality:
"[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams (Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)
7) By rejecting counterfeit marriage the government is in no way "establishing a national religion". There are a plethora of reasons to reject counterfeit marriages without ever invoking the Bible. Here a re just a few without getting into too many details: High mental illness, high suicidality, rampant sexual promiscuity and infidelity, high rates of domestic abuse, and their admission that marriage as it has always been practiced is not their aim and never was.
What same-sex "marriage" has done to Massachusetts
And Keith... you just said that we should use the Bible to wipe our "asses". If you had said that about the Muslims' Qu'ran/Koran, you would have a jihad declared on you and be killed. Listen to the leader of the UK Freedom Party facts & figures http://youtu.be/nZjOd-A5HDM You would be banned from Canada and the UK for hate speech and you would be sued. The very people that the democrats align with, are the people that are the most intolerant. What if we tried to boycott a gay restaurant or drive them out of town or block their expansion? Liberalism REALLY is a mental disorder. Watch Deaborn Michigan Muslims STONE Christians recently. Guess who the police reprimanded? The Christians. http://israelagainstterror.blogspot.com/2012/06/american-muslims-stone-christians-in.html
Congress is not supposed to make laws infringing on anyone's rights. The Left sure tries to infringe on the majority's rights. Marriage is not a right, it's a privilege and has benefits that are derived from that status. Here's the history on it > Origins of Separation of Church and State & First Amendment; American Heritage http://youtu.be/hf5LUpsh5Cc The notion that our culture is not based on laws derived from the Bible, implemented by faith-filled Founders for the purpose of creating a safe and law abiding society is absurd and a Leftist lie. Our Framers said we could not be free and a republic WITHOUT the law and just and moral citizens. The separation of church and state was about the Founders not wanting a declared religion like England had AND their deep commitment to have our country be a haven for the persecuted. They promoted freedom of religion. The very freedom that the Left now tries to oppress.
Marriage is not a right. It is a benefit and a desirable status that helps promote stability and wholesomeness that benefits a society. It's been that way for thousands of years. It is a privilege designed to protect women and children. It infringes on no other person's rights including gays. Gays can have the same benefits of marriage via Civil Unions. The only reason that gays are pushing this is to push the Left's agenda of destroying the very foundation of our culture and tarnish the long held view that marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman, unique, holy and good for society. Civilization benefits from procreating couples who are legally bound to care for each other and their offspring. That is why the tax code benefits traditional families. The destruction of our morals and values are part of the Communist game plan first outlined in the "Naked Communist" and in front of the US Senate in 1963. Here's the transcript http://www.scribd.com/doc/33760964/Communist-Goals-1963 Also see the Agenda documentary. http://agendadocumentary.com/trailer/ Gays don't really want to be married. They just want to mess up our country's values, principles and long held religious views for their own political gain. The Left can't take over as long as our society still embraces and follows God instead of man made laws from government.
Chic-fil-A should serve them the off-spring of same sex chickens.
5 bucks a pop for an air bird sandwich.
What a Dimwit! Guess what? We are free to give OUR MONEY to any cause we like!! The libs wish they could take our right to free speech away!!
If everyone would just worry about their own business instead of sticking their nose where it doesn't belong, the world would be a better place.
We have to stand up for our democratic allies or there will be none. A great example of freedom in action is the Iron Curtain coming down and our new eastern block democracies that will be destroyed if we tether our ties. It's not just Israel that we stand with for the sake of world peace. If America is not the super power who stands up and liberates countries and backs them when invaded, who will? China? Russia? Iran? America can not afford more intervention or wars NOR can we keep giving money to countries that hate us. However, who will stand with the little countries when the wolves surround them? How does having more dictatorships NOT democracies get us to the goal of world peace? America was appointed for a special purpose and we do have a rendez vous with destiny. Whether we want it or not. Please listen to Reagan explain it before you decide. http://youtu.be/yt1fYSAChxs There are also great videos on tough subjects here > http://www.declarationentertainment.com/voters-guide-republicans
I must have missed that study concluding all gay people are dumb. I've met a lot more dumb straight people.
Yeah, who ever said all gays were dumb? Looks like SOMEBODY might've had a li'l Freudian slip there. All I said was that the lady above is a fine example of the phenomenon I've long cited as "Global Dumbing." One needn't be gay to be dumb.
Nukeman pegged it: bigotry exists easily on both sides.
Like the 'free water' dude. He said he was straight, but he sure was dumb as a box of rocks.
I don't think E. Lee was saying all gays were dumb, just like I don't think all gays were here at this protest (maybe 10 or 12, to my estimation). The dumbness comes from their comments, not from their sexual orientation. There can be bigotry on both sides, here.
Obama was for traditional marriage and against same sex marriage in 2008. He needed the black and Muslim votes who are against gay marriage. The left loves the Muslim Brotherhood that has hijacked the democrat party, our intel agencies and military. They hang gays in the Muslim radical dominated countries. Now he is so desperate that he is counting on the intolerant gays (who want to infringe on Christians' freedom of speech and religion). Obama is going to get help from the Fed so he can pay off people like he did in 2008. The "White House Insider" has been spot on with their leaks. Get ready for another stolen election.
Obama's donor is a male porn producer that makes millions with his illicit gay porno business. Obama is in the tape thanking the guy. http://youtu.be/PTx2AhtwMbU No wonder Obama FLIP FLOPPED on his views that up until Obama started tanking in the polls, WERE THE SAME AS Chick-fil-a's owner. Obama is a sleaze and a pandering lying joke. He gave 500 Million to Solyndra and most of that went to Obama's friends and donors. Obama must be arrested not impeached since his dual citizenship and foreign ties disqualifies him for the Presidency. He has overturned our Constitution dozens of time which violates his oath of office.
yet everytime I come out of target, (which I go less frequently lately), I am accosted by people wanting to know if I belive in "Gay Civil Rights" what the heck???? I believe in the Constitution. I believe all people should have the "equal rights" afforded to us by that constitution. And, Mr. Cathy is not advocating AGAINST gays, he has an opinion, just like mine, that marriage should be as it has been, God ordained since Adam and Eve, between one man and one woman.
Target (at least in CA) also keys in your license number when you buy beer and wine REGARDLESS of one's obvious age. They are making a data base for Obama's Obama Care so they can see how often people drink and then determine if you get care. Sounds extreme? Google Agenda 21 and look at http://www.numbersusa.org The Left thinks there are too many of us and population control via sterilization and medical care control is needed. It's in Obama Care. Here is the real 411 the democRATS hid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HcBaSP31Be8#!
So, Cathy's donating money to like-minded groups is "infringing" on her "Civil Rights"... That would've been a great time for a follow-up question... What "Civil Rights" of yours has he "infringed" upon, by simply donating money, and how has it “infringed” upon that/those “Civil Rights”..??? Would have loved to have heard the answer to that one...
Good gracious! These silly people don't get it. If they get to impose the ridiculous rules and restrictions they advocate, don't they realize those same laws can be used AGAINST them!??!? I have to go with blaming the education system here for lacking civics lessons. People are throwing around words they don't understand like "civil rights." Every day I think it can't get sillier and yet...So if this is the case, YOU sir have trampled on MY civil rights because I'm guessing you donated your money to Obama or Planned Parenthood. See how that works. How dare you.
and BTW - You can pry my Chick-fil-a from my cold dead fingers...
I went to the mall in my town to check out the Chick fil-A there and see if there were any protesters. Nope. Only families eating Chikin.
The Communists swore that they'd take over America without firing a shot. They expected it would take about 80 years to do it. That was the early 30s, I think. Since then, they infiltrated the church, the universities, the government, etc. They said they'd use morality as a wedge to destroy the family and fabric of our Judeo-Christian culture. They have been very successful. We (America) need a full spiritual revival, with repentance from the heart and a firm commitment to live within our values again, the very thing that allowed America to prosper and become a great nation. The 20th century destroyed most of what we once knew as good and right. We have now raised 2 generations without instilling our country's history, without Judeo-Christian values, and the end result is that we have become a lawless nation. Only God can intervene and turn us around.
So he can have an opinion but he can't provide financial support to groups who don't support what she thinks they should? He can't actually support what he believes?
These leftist rubes miss the point! This is the United States! We can make choices of where we eat , what we say, and what we choose to believe. Just because we don't agree, does not give them the right to attack a business! I don't hang in gay bars because I find them offensive. The GL community can stay out of Chic-Fil-A, if they don't agree with the owner's beliefs! It's a win-win for all, if they would just get lost! Get a clue...nobody gives a rip about your perverted agenda, we aren't afraid of you, and most of all, you don't deserve special rights for acting like spoiled, ill-mannered children!
If you don't like the values of a privately owned company, with ownership expressing their Constitutional rights, then don't eat there. I am so sick of the immoral majority trying to force their lifestyle on mainstream America - I guess they realize that in less than 100 days, the game changes - Bye Bye Barry, Harry, Holder, Nancy, and the rest of ya !
I would also like to point out to the ignoramus in the video that Dan Cathy by giving money to causes he believes in is exercising his civil rights and she can exercise hers by doing likewise. I bet she has no problem with Soros giving lots of money to left wing causes or corporations like Progressive Insurance backing those same causes. These protesters are in reality protesting civil rights in general. They should be careful what they wish for and in my opinion have crossed a line. Their protest is hardly legitimate.
I went to Chick-Fil-A today for lunch. Had the spicy chicken sandwich with pepper jack cheese and waffle fries. I, of course, had to substitute the soda for a large peach milkshake topped with whipped cream and a cherry. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
By the way, there were no kiss-in protesters at the Springfield, PA location, but there were A LOT of customers.
Honestly, what point are they really trying to make? "Hi, I'm part of the Gaystopo and I want to hurt a business because they have a different opinion than me that does not affect me in any way." Looks like the point they are making is that the left is INTOLERANT.
But even though the owner of CFA disagrees with gay marriage, he does not discriminate in employment nor in customers, so looks like CFA is an example of TOLERANCE.
Get that, you liberal loonies?
So when did giving money to a cause you believe in infringe on someone else's civil rights? Must have been at the same time that expressing a different opinion became "hate speech". I guess I missed that meeting.
Like the Left doesn't give $$$$$$$$$ to those who support their own agenda?! What a farce and there are many companies who give money to support that which I find offensive but I don't protest. I may not buy their product but I have yet to protest. I'm thinking about sending Dan Cathy some money and labeling it "for your organizations which oppose gay marriage".
As far as the woman's rights; marriage is not a "right" but a God given union between one man and one woman to perpetuate the human race. In Genesis 6:6 it is written:
"And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart".
I can only imagine the pain and grief the "gay" lobby has caused my Heavenly Father and as I picture a tear falling from His eye at His gaze upon these demonstrations from the pit of Hell I will bless my Father this day and praise Him for sending His first begotten to save me from the pit of destruction into which mankind has fallen. Be blessed my God for there are still some of us on Your side. Thank You Lord for Your mercy, so undeserved by me, but yet so freely given by You. In Jesus Name. Amen.
Hello, I am not posting this because I feel as if gay marriage is wrong. I feel as though if they want to be married, go ahead. It's okay as long as they know that I'm not gay and they don't hit on me. No, I'm not a liberal. I am a conservative. I feel as though people should not protest the freedom of speech that the president of Chick-fil-a is expressing. I'm an Atheist but you don't see me protesting churches. People that go to church or believe in religion have a right to do so and I can not infringe upon their rights.
Why post your ignorance for all the world to see? You may be atheist but you have a duty and a responsibility to learn what built the world and it wasn't atheism nor was it gay marriage. I know of not one single civilization that was built on homosexuality or gay marriage but I can give you a list of civilizations that fell because of it along with other acts of immorality.
The sheer fact that you do or don't protest and believe in rights in general comes from religion. The very concept of it and the civilization you live in comes from religion. Now believe or don't believe, that is up to you. However don't ride the coattails of those that built civilization then try and proclaim the moral high ground since morality is a concept invented by religion.
I do not think that I am of the moral high ground. I reject the belief of religion because I feel as though it is ignorance of the world around. The use of God is to explain something that we can not explain ourselves. This has been the point of Gods since the beginning of human civilization. I believe in science. Also, I feel as though humans are capable of knowing right from wrong within themselves without being told by God. My moral compass comes from within myself and not from a Bible, Torah, or Qur'an.
'I am currently enrolled as a Physics student at the University of Pennsylvania. That surely shows my lack of knowledge in science.' - jake
It certainly doesn't show you have knowledge of it either. You could be failing, for all anyone knows. Setting that aside, however, you claim to be an atheist. Now knowing that you were raised in a Catholic household, you could be rebelling, for that matter. At any rate, you are more likely an agnostic, rather than an atheist, as an atheist 'knows' there is no God and an agnostic isn't sure whether there is or isn't.
You say you use science to solve your questions. Many of us use Faith when asking questions of God. Let's use science and see where we get.
So, question number one, what is beyond the visible universe? Do you know? Does science? How do you know it's not God, if you don't know in the first place?
Let's go the other way. How many dimensions are there? We have all seen the 3 spatial ones and the dimension of time, but what about the extra 22 dealing with string theory? Or the 7 of M-theory? Have you seen them? Do you know what's there? No?
As a scientist (specifically a physicist), tell me what existed before the Big Bang and tell me how it happened. Do you know that God didn't do it?
How about the laws of nature? Were they accidental? Scientists say that if any number of those laws of nature had been ever so slightly different, that life would not exist. What made those laws just so precise? Is it random multiverses, and, if so, what created those multiverses?
How about the double helix of DNA? Was it just randomly created out of the primordial soup, especially the FOXP2 gene, which gives us the ability of speech. Where do you suppose that mutated or evolved from and why aren't other creatures able to use that gene to speak?
Christians speak from faith when they speak of God. The Bible is a guide for those of us who are mere humans with earthly frailties and faults, and it helps us attempt to keep on the straight and narrow. You know that with your Catholic upbringing, but I suspect you just rebelled from it (actually, none of my business, anyway).
Like I said before, when you use just science as your guide to answering the unanswerable questions, you may find yourself a bit lacking in the answers. As you progress through your Physics studies, keep these questions in mind and try to keep an open mind.
Remember, science doesn't have all the answers. Just ask your profs, they'll tell you.
I was raised in a Conservative Catholic household. If I was such a parrot, would I not be repeating the 'Word of God?' Both of my parents were raised in Catholic households and went to Catholic school their entire academic career. I don't know science? I am currently enrolled as a Physics student at the University of Pennsylvania. That surely shows my lack of knowledge in science.
Listen to yourself! You feel but you don't think!!! that is precisely the problem. Your feelings are misguided and lack any thinking or knowledge. Your whole post is dribble. Why don't you look up the head of the Genome project and other scientists, most of whom believe in God and says science proves his existence. Right now you are an immature parrot and it is patently obvious. You are repeating what you have been told without thinking, investigating, or digging deeper. Shame on you for being so lazy.
Your moral compass comes largely from Western Civilization that was developed from Judeo-Christian values. So you not only don't know science but you don't know anything of religion or history as well. Man did not just suddenly decide to be moral out of the clear blue sky. Even pagan religions of mythological nature had some morality or rules imposed. What is the most singular significant rule that Judeo Christian imposed that other religions did not?
And exactly how does your morality come from within yourself? Are you saying you are born automatically moral and all knowing? Got proof of that?
You apparently know little but speak quite a bit.
'He just believed, in the simplest from [sic], that people should relieve themselves [of] greed and always strive to help the [sic] fellow man.' - jake
I believe the same thing, but it doesn't discount the existence of God.
But, if you want an ontological discussion, perhaps you should consider this:
Religion doesn't have to be the thing to unravel the spiritual world. Philosophies, such as Buddhism, are pretty good at as well. Yes, Buddhism is a philosophy. Buddha did not consider himself to be a God and he didn't want either people to see him as one. He just believed, in the simplest from, that people should relieve themselves greed and always strive to help the fellow man.
It is up to you to find God for yourself. If you don't want to, you won't. If you do want to, you will. Science does a good job of unraveling the material world, but has trouble so far with the spiritual world.
If you use science only to find your answers, then it will be like using a backhoe in Illinois to find the ocean (you are looking in the wrong place). How does science describe the soul? It doesn't. Why? Because it doesn't have the tools yet. That is how science works. Slowly, with errors along the way, science advances.
Science never creates anything. All things are already there. Science merely stumbles upon them. If you reject one aspect of life and rely only on a portion of the tools given to you, then you may fail many times. That failure may cause you to reject that which you haven't yet found, but it doesn't mean that what you haven't found isn't there.
That's why I say have an open mind. You say you do, but you describe that you don't. It's your choice. God-given free will.
If I may ask, what is God? How would 'it' be able to create everything? I have an open mind. I don't use God as answer for anything. If there is something that I don't know, I look to find an answer. That is science. Also, who wrote the Bible? I know it wasn't God or Jesus. So how can we be so sure that is the definite word of God? Human memory can change and flutter with time.
You do know, don't you, that science is not counter to God. Many of us believe that God created all that is. Science is merely a man-made, haphazard, primitive means for us to ask about and discover that which is God. They actually go hand in hand. When scientists know all there is, they will know God. They will not be God, but they will know Him.
I find it interesting that you can reject something that you, yourself, claim you don't know much about (that's how scientists thought the Earth was flat). Keep an open mind. The Bible wasn't created and then God came from that. It was the other way around, the Bible came from God. Your capability of knowing right from wrong, even though you think you created it within yourself, is actually put within you to discover.
As I said, try to keep an open mind and you can discover great wonders.