Something I said yesterday, needs correcting. I mentioned that what was wrong with the Republican Party, is that they are bad on getting out their message to the people. Actually, that was only half the problem.
The other half, is that they are not aggressive, in going after the Liberals for the statements they make. The Republicans are always on defense. No team ever won a game, by strictly playing defense. They allow the Liberals to define who they are, and when that definition is wrong, they offer no objection. They have to stop doing that. They have to go on offense.
I'm a Chicago Bears fan. I know exactly what you mean.
This fiscal cliff argument shows that precisely. Obama is out campaigning (again) to convince the idiot masses that he is right, while Boehner gets on the news and simple says, "well, we are trying to get along, wah, wah, wah."
If anyone just looked at what Obama is proposing, instead of just fawning over his speeches, they might understand that it is totally insane. But, then, maybe we are too far gone to save it.
I'm not sure we can convince them of the truth anymore, but I'm going to try.
Let's try something. Let's keep this particular thread alive, as a general discussion. We did this on another site I used to belong to, and it lasted for months. For my part, I will comment here each evening. If enough of you do the same, we can create our own general discussion group. It's worth a shot.
I like your thinking white. It's been frustrating for me that just when I get in a good discussion, a new post pops up. You're right, it does destroy the continuity of the thought process going on. I'm going to have to change my hours at work so I can be a part of all this. I'm at work by 5:30am. Just when all of you get on a roll, I'm off to bed. I rely on "toon" to fill me in. I'm real excited to see where everyone's thinking is going. I don't want to miss any of it!
Sorry you have to miss the evening conversations, IrishElk. I also work early, so most of my comments occur in the evening, about this time. We don't stay up very late though, and I usually put the computer to sleep about nine. That's Tucson time, of course.
A lot has happened today, and I see Scoop has started a number of new threads. I doubt many will find their way back here. If not, then we'll have to follow along. Can't change the world, I guess. Just wish we had a general discussion thread.
I'm late as usual, but Whitefriend, us hard core CFPers are coming in here to check every now and then :-) Night friend!! God Bless!
Hi white531, glad to see you on. It's Friday, so I'll be able to hang around a little longer. Toon said to tell you that people from CFP are watching this thread and we'll be checking in every so often. So maybe we'll get that continuity yet!
I've noticed many past threads end up closed to comments. I don't know if it's after a certain time or a certain time after the last comment has been made.
Probably just lack of activity. Keep the thread alive by comments. The thread will stay alive. Either that, or petition The Right Scoop, to create a running thread to be home to all of us. Easiest thing in the world for them to do. Doesn't make sense why they would be against the idea.
Night Nukefriend. I'm glad you like it :-) I'm sorry I don't paint nuclear reactors lol. ;-)
Sweet dreams my dear friend. See you tomorrow.
I know I spelled that wrong didn't I- but I'm too tired to fix it. o_O
Yeah, I figure we can keep going till the boxes hit the right side, declare jumping to the bottom (or top, in my case, as I follow newest posts at the top), and start over from there. It should work.
Good night, duckie. Thanks for the painting. It was so sweet of you.
lol that's because it's the new idiotic way it's designed. Didn't see you boys down here lol. I just started a new spot right below for wider space lol!
One thing I've noticed when the threads get bigger than 5-600 comments, Disqus gets snarky. I think it has something to do with the TRS servers and the fact that we haven't changed over to the new, idiotic way disqus is designed.
Nukeman says he likes my rants. I like his, too.
Here's a rant that I will never let up on. It's a problem I have with The Right Scoop.
It's simple, really. Every ten minutes on this site, there is a new post, that demands your attention. All of the really great conversations, that were just getting started on previous posts, are forgotten, as everyone moves on to the next post by TRS.
It absolutely destroys the continuity of thought of the members, on the problems that face us. I will state this one more time, and I will keep stating it, until I am thrown off this site.
In addition to the obviously necessary posts on current events, we need a running thread, that remains uninterrupted, so that all the members can have a continuous dialogue, on the issues we feel important. A place to come home to. Comment all you want, on the new posts, but come home to a running dialogue, where all the members can express themselves, and hang out, on a continuing, uninterrupted, conversation.
Why is that concept so hard to understand?
Obama is trying to become dictator...he will destroy anything in his path to do it..Republicans are just making it easy for him! We need more Jan Brewers and more Sarah Palins in the Republican party...Obama would have a tough fight then...but the pansy boys like Boehner and McConnell cower to him and fall down like dominoes...pathetic!
I have a proposal. Agree to the tax hike on the rich (most of them dont vote repub anyway, the repubs should be the party of the middle class and small business), but with one condition, it does not take effect until we have gone through an actual FY where fed spending is below 20% of GDP, and the tax hike is automatically repealed if spending ever rises above 23%, until it once again falls below 20%. To me this is a worthwhile trade, higher taxes for the rich, in exchange for real and permanent spending restraint. It also avoids the dem Lucy and the Football trap you cite, where we give tax hikes now, in exchange for spending cuts that never come. It also avoids the game of trading taxes for mostly phony spending cuts, since it measures actual total spending and not cuts against some floating and increasing baseline, and the demsw dont get the tax hike until they have already delivered on some spending restraint. And if Obama wont agree, it becomes clearer that the real issue is not taxes on the rich, which repubs are prepared to accept, but the dems total unwillingness to control spending. If dems insist we return to Clinton era taxes, then we should insist we also return to Clintin era spending levels.
we know we know charles and what the hell can we do?? we are stuck with this idiot for4 yrs and the GOP can't seem to get a backbone or guts to do anything...they don't know how to fight to WIN ever....and if they think 2014 will bring out support for them...NOT
Since Mr. Obama can't run for office again (fingers crossed). I don't think he cares if all the Bush tax cuts twilight. Destroying the Republicans, and the financing of the behemoth federal government is the end game...As far as running again, watch for congress, (if the Dem's take control of the house in 2014) That a bill for the suspension of the 22 amendment, comes into play. Keep a close eye on those dastardly Dem's...
Obama isn't trying to fix our fiscal issues OR destroy the Republican Party.
What he IS doing (and very successfully, so far) is to destroy the US economy so as to bring us all to our knees as he installs socialism at best, and communism if possible.
A pox on him and everyone who supports him. when the revolution starts We the People need to seek out and deal with each and every one of them as befits their complicity.
Republicans are incompetent at national politics...David Axelrod has made them look like fools...he was able to get his candidate that destroyed the economy, is friends with the muslim brotherhood that are the supporters of the people that attacked us on 9/11, and who is by the way, ripping apart the the 4th Amendment every day more and more. Pretty much all national Repub leadership needs to be changed..Boehner, McConnell, Priebus..Cantor, Kyle, et al...they need to go and be replaced with people who understand that modern electorate and how to get the message of freedom, economic opportunity and natural rights advanced and embraced. Right now the media basically puts forth the position that all the Repubs want is to protect the rich, when in fact it is the Dems and this current administration that are protecting the fat cats with government connections.
We should have nominated Sarah Palin
"and how to get the message of freedom, economic opportunity and natural rights advanced and embraced."
Rick, that has been discussed several times on talk radio, most recently today, on Hannity. The Republicans are simply not good at getting the message out, and the Dems are.
The Republicans are simply not good at getting the message out presenting the truth, and the Dems are good at selling free ice cream and ponies.
But for the Dems, that only works until the time the People are compelled to pick up their shovels, because of the odor of the reality on the barn floor.
I don't know which is the better course ... going off the cliff will hurt like Hell, but I don't know if continued decline as a result of simply voting Present and "soaking the rich" a little more will be perceived as enough of a problem to get the People to pick up the shovels before a LOT more damage is done ... that is close to a "new normal" these days in the eyes of many.
It's the tax issue in the USA fabricated by Obama, it was the 'multi-culti', 'racism' issue in the UK fabricated by TOny Blair when he and his Labour lot were in power for 13 years.
Both have the aim to destroy conservatism and conservatives - not just the conservative parties, like the GOP in the USA, the Tories over here.
It looks as if the GOP is incapable of looking across the Big Pond and learn from the fate of the Tories, who spent 13 years in the wilderness and changed their message to become socialism lite, just to get elected, with the consequence that the single-issue party UKIP has been growing and growing because true blue conservatives are fed up being taken for granted by the Tory grandees, and are fed up with having green and socialist issues forced down their throats.
With the outstanding tradition of grass root movements, and the TEA Party, I think you have a chance to set up a third party which will force the GOP into a coalition, and to give in and do what the American conservatives want.
Krauthammer is absolutely right. Why give Obama and the Democrats ANYTHING? They are going to blame us for whatever happens, and they certainly would never, ever, praise us if there is a deal. So what's the point? If Obama is so into "fairness," let ALL the taxes go up for EVERYBODY. That certainly is fair, isn't it? Let the Democrats feel what it's like to have some skin in the game for once. Instead of it being "other people's money," let it be their money as well. Then let's see how willing they are to cut a real deal after all of their voters get hit by this.
No, it's the republicans that are destroying the republicans, and good riddance. What the country needs right now is a head-to-head congressional battle between the leftists in power and 'tea party extremists'.
Obama wants one party which he calls Democrats, but they are really Communists. Welcome to the Welfare States of Obama. When does the flag get changed?
I prefer "chump change," Dr. Krauthammer. That's what the Republican Party has become. 0 is going to do his best to make them ineffectual to ease his way to total power. I heard Glen Beck say yesterday what I've been saying- that 0 is going to use some crisis, real or manufactured, to take over.
While we didn't look for this fight, and it's going to be Christmas and all, the moment has arrived. As we say on an assault: "It's showtime," and "Everybody comes home." And it's exactly what it means.
We have the perfect showdown coming, and if the GOP realizes it, we go down guns blazing, or we win against terrific odds.
We have two years to recover from an angry electorate, but only a few days to save the nation. It's time for statesmanship, time to stare down our domestic enemies, time to stand on real principle.
Decide to win or die, GOP. We probably can't have both.
Last time I've checked, the Republicans didn't need Obama to be destroyed: they've got their own Establishment who is very gifted at the job.
If the Republicans give Obama and the Democrats the economic policy they ask for by voting "present," they win the Senate in the next election cycle. Democrats can't govern and the media can't blame the Republicans for passivity in the face of this Democrat "mandate." Let 'em own it!
Republicans can occupy themselves by designing remedial legislation for later use, investigating Administration corruption and protecting our basic rights from incursion by liberal facists.
Of course the country may be toast by the time the next cycle rolls around, but it may be anyway if the Republicans don't wise up and change strategies.
The fiscal cliff is about how much to raise the debt, not how to reduce it. It is about raising the spending limit, so they can add more debt. Are we going to allow our leaders to play this game? A debt of $49,000 per US citizen is a little high, and they are talking about how to "reduce additional spending", not reducing the debt. Krauthammer is correct, and everyone is playing a game on US.
Destroying the Republicans. Only people destroying the Republicans are the Republicans. No one better shoots themselves in their own feet than the GOP. When taxes are raised, we will once again have a completely Dem controlled government.
They say they learned their lesson. Yep, don't give in to the conservatives, making them look out of touch and keep stomping on the base. I am glad to hear and see the idea of 3rd party taking off http://constfreparty.blogspot.com/
All prices will go up by a minimum of 30% due to Obamacare.
That is the short end.
All of my suppliers will need more, and I have to pass that on.
This ain't gonna be cheap.
He knows that a Republican will eventually be elected to clean up the mess he made. He also knows that it will be impossible, and it will be the perfect opportunity to claim that Republicans are no better.
Krauthammer is a senile old man who has lost touch with the USA of the the 2012's. He no lonnger understands either economics or politics - he should retire before he embarrasses and humiliates himself amnd the Republicans anymore.
There is a simple solution to Obama's game. Just pass two separate bills. One extending the highest tax rate and the other extending all the other rates.
That way they keep their pledge but also don't allow Obama to say they raised taxes on anyone.
"Mr. President, as you told us before, YOU WON. So show us what you've got. Lead, follow, or get out of the way."
...said no Republican officeholder, ever. There's a reason it's called the Stupid Party.