The posts here seemed to have gotten off the path, however, I couldn't agree more. In relation to the CT shoooting it seems every talking head, every single solitary elected official, every psychologist, every socialist and every opinionator has put stock into their personal opinions and ideals. Our most outspoken marxists say "let's ban assault weapons". But, I want to be somebody, too, with a voice. Had the Mother of Lanza been a responsible gun owner it would be assumed she would have stowed them away from her son or anyone else with a desire to remove them from her home. It is the most responsible thing to do. Guns don't belong under pillows or leaning in a corner, that's for cowboys. Go with the grain and not against it and be responsible. It is the first step in retaining our Second Ammendment.
Face it - we live in a country in which the readers voted Kim Jong Un the 'Time Man of the Year' - in which Hillary and Barack were voted 'most admired man and woman.'
This is a very sick country.
Mental health in this country is only for the mentally healthy. There is little concern for the truly deranged. Drug them and send them back out into the street hoping they take their meds. Psychiatry was shunned (right fully so) until they started receiving public funding. With that funding they've found where the real money is. Depression, Doctors dispensing Psychotropic drugs for flu. Psychotropic drugs to sleep. Ritilin and other dangerous drugs for boys in particular (can't have those kids acting like kids). Psychiatric involvement in our courts to the detriment of real justice. Psychotropic drugs for post partum depression willing mothers to murder their children. We've already woken up to liberalism it's time to wake up to the harm Psychiatry and Psychotropic drugs are doing to our society. Their own peer publication admits they vote on what will be considered a new mental illness. This is not science. Psychiatry and drug companies need to be brought back under the law.
I don't expect Krauthhammer to take this viewpoint as he is a Psychiatrist.
Mental Health Care in this country has been the red-headed step-child for many, many years. Until we're willing to address the issues of those with mental health problems and their families, we will continue to see things like this happen.
The mother was a gun advocate, took both sons to the shooting range. She left her job to stay home with the 20 year old shooter because he had Aspergers Syndrome, problem was she did not lock away the guns...................
Krauthammer is 100% on point. The same nut that committed these heinous acts could have done more damage driving a car at 40 mph right into the crowd of kids leaving school at the end of the day. Do we then outlaw cars? How about the nut locks all the doors, pours gasoline around the perimeter and sets the building on fire? Do we outlaw gasoline?
There were no gun control laws at all until the 1960's and school massacres were unthinkable and unheard of. Where do these psychos get the idea to carry out a massacre? Just walk down the "Action" aisle at the local video store. For decades American TV, Hollywood and video games have made money off selling glorified slaughter as cheap "entertainment". Now we reap the rewards. Everyone should read, "Stop teaching our kids to kill", by Dave Grossman. This West Point psychologist proves that violence in the media guarantee bigger and more awful massacres in the future. America is a spiritually sick society, thanks to marxist infiltration and ideological subversion. Only if we turn back to higher spiritual law of love and humility and self control will the national nightmare end. Have we hit bottom yet?
Charles really knows what he's talking about...this so awful...at the end of the day, you have to look at the killer and the circumstances that led him to do such a heinous crime. This guy was messed up in the head, why could someone not catch this before it happened? The lesson we must all learn is that if we ever know someone that is losing grip with right and wrong, it's our duty to step up and find a solution for the person suffering.
The History of Gun Control
All the worst dictators in history banned gun ownership. That's why the Ukrainians could only defend their food from the Soviets with pitchforks after Stalin forced mass starvation upon them.
Hitler banned Jews from owning gun and other instruments that could be used as weapons
Mao banned gun ownership
Pol Pot banned gun ownership
A disarmed population is a defenseless population
You have got to be kidding me. As a Canadian with restrictions on guns and assault weopons I live in zero fear of the government. As I am sure say France, Germany Japan and oh maybe the grand daddy of democracies Great Britian citizens do. How can you believe every other democratically elected country has some form of gun laws, with far less gun related violent crime can keep their governments in check. Yet Americans can't
And Great Britian is no longer GREAT Britian, but a part of a failing-in more ways than financial- EURO Nation soon to be global fisaco and with increasing violence on top of it.
You don't fear your government, my hat's off to you..........with our freedoms intact We do not fear ours either.
I understand your point and the same one is being made by a number of other people. The problem I am having is no where in the first world democracies does your argument prove to be true.
All of them have some form of gun control or another which is significantly more restrictive then the States. Everyone of these countries violent crime gun rates and related gun deaths are tiny percentage of the United States.
So if you want make this argument you make explain my rebutal, not a person has done that yet and I have asked them all.
Frank8881, when will you and all the others who believe in gun control realize that no amount of laws will stop criminals from obtaining guns? By their very nature criminals are law breakers and don't obey the law. So the only people you are disarming are the law-abiding citizens who could have saved those children in the school by firing back. Connecticut has some of the strongest gun control laws and it didn't stop the evil murdering coward from getting hold of guns. He deliberately went where he knew there would be no-one to fight back, a gun-free school zone. I want my kids protected by an armed guard or properly trained teacher who can carry a concealed weapon. I don't know about Canada, but it takes way too long for police to respond to a shooting here. Innocent law-abiding citizens need to be able to protect themselves, the criminals never obey the gun control laws.
I wasn't trying to be selective, I do believe in gun control and also believe it has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be much more effective at controlling gun related deaths. Further I also believe in individual liberties, and laws for the common good. I just can't get my mind around with all the available statistics why anyone needs an assault weopon.
Now, Frank, let me show you my selective reading.......when you write gun control, all I see is control. That's my way of reading it.
Look I am sorry but I am not a liberal I believe in gun control and have never voted liberal in my life. As far as Great Britian is concearned soaring crime rates only matter when comparing base numbers between countries. They could have a 500% increase in gun crime and the U.S. could have a 1% increase and you violent gun related crime would still be 1000% higher as a percentage of the population than theirs
In reading your posts, and now with this answer, all you have proven is you have selective reading problems which is a part of the liberal mind set. Financial "lecturing" was such a minor part of my post, a mere passing thought, but, you feel you have to project - that's right, another liberal tactic, projection- on to me what is your shortcoming, Britian is not Great and violence is increasing there.
The gist of my reply was I'm glad you do not fear your government and you enjoy your symbiotic relationship. I, on the other hand believe in individual freedoms, one of which here in the USA is to bear arms. And the USA is a Great Nation under God........ no matter what obama says.
PS this may border on lecturing, sorry.
You are mistaken in regards to gun related crime
It's up 35% in the UK where guns are banned
History is History
So how do you explain every other democracy in the first world have instituted gun controls, and their shootings with firearms are a fraction of America. Their violent crime rate as well. You may believe what you wrote but don't be confused into believing it is accurate.
Further states nor cities can pass comprehensive gun control, due to the simple fact guns can be transported across city and state lines because there are no border controls. They are fruitless.
It is a fact, that Chicago, a GUN FREE CITY, has more gun related crime than a city or even a STATE, (like AZ) that has concealed carry, without a permit. Chicago is proof that when you criminalize guns then only criminals will have guns.
This whole notion that everybody and their brother will "arm-up" and start packing and shooting every person that pisses them off is just ignorant. Virtually every gun related crime in AZ is committed with a gun that was stolen or somehow obtained illegally. I've been here 9 years and I've met exactly 2 people who regularly carry; about the same number I've met the rest of my life in states where a permit is required.
Look up auto-related deaths sometime then come back here and tell me we need to outlaw cars and highways.
Furthermore, the low gun crime rate in other countries is anecdotal; when you have a lazy, complacent society that probably wouldn't defend themselves if they needed to anyway. They'd call on the government to do it for them.
Oh yes you are right the whole world is wrong black is white the sky is green and the grass is blue. Facts don't matter, lives don't matter, children don't matter. What matters is your need to own a common assult gun, rifle you name it.
This mother has these hanging around the house because good lord she needs them and a mentally disturbed child. Just in case the governments agents show up to rape and steal her property. You have the lowest homicide gun rate in the world but you don't.
Who needs facts when I can surf the web and offer insane statistics that tell people Venezuela is way worse. You can tell them some states have tougher gun laws but they still have problems and some cities too. Everyone knows it is virtually impossible to move these guns across city and state borders due to the border police.
No just keep killing everyone with a murder rate with guns at a far higher rate then anywhere in the first world. Facts, logic common sense who needs them. I gotta gun.
Obvious Canadian Troll continues to obviously troll
Your strawman was already been debunked 3 posts ago. Your own link works against you. The data you are citing assumes that each citizen within the US owns just 1 gun. It's a false premise. Americans usually own multiple guns which is why comparatively as a % of population is a much better measure. Gun ownership rank compared to gun homicide rank respectively is a far more useful measuring stick. The first 20 or so countries listed in the "data" you provided prove my point irrefutably. There isn't a higher gun ownership rank than homicide rank. It's the exact opposite. There is no correlation.
Since Australia's Gun Ban and Government expenditures to buy up all privately owned guns to the tune of 500 million the statistics are as follows:
1) Assaults involving guns rose 29%
2) Murders with guns rose 20%
3) Armed Robberies increased 69%
4) Home Invasions increased 20%
Criminals do not obey gun laws. You know for someone who claims to be a Conservative and a "critical thinker" you sure are lacking in both areas and looking more and more the fraud with each post. Consider this my last response to your pathetic trolling.
HAHAHAHA Homicides per 100,000 people OK this is a percentage Canada 0.51 Great Britian 0.07 U.S. 2.97 500% higher in the U.S. then Canada.
Why are you debating this point, it is futile! Your mindless logic just means more people die. Being a conservative means you are capable of critical thinking. Try it!
You're a Canadian troll who is ignorant
1) I used other countries including the UK as comparative examples and the examples were percentages of population/legal gun ownership. You keep selectively ignoring previous points I made to create canards, red herrings, and dishonest premises.
Population of Canada = 35 million
Population of US = More than 300 million
You keep trying to fall back onto a simplistic emotional argument which is rooted in a false premise. Your simplistic 4th grade argument that more guns legally owned = more crime is incorrect.
2) The numbers don't lie. Violent crime in Canada increased after stricter gun control laws were put in place. The majority of Canadians do not want stricter gun control laws. On the contrary, they want less gun control.
Violent crime shot up in the UK after they passed strict gun control laws.
Washington DC for example, as well CT have some of the strictest gun laws on the books within the US. The violent crime rate in DC has surged this year since those strict measures have been put into place. The "Gun Free School Zone" didn't stop this psychopath from murdering those defenseless and innocent children. An armed, trained, and responsible individual on campus may very well have however.
3) Since 1998 the homicide rate in the US has actually decreased 33% while it has risen 3% in Canada, who has stricter gun laws. I also only need to point to the more than 2 million crimes within the US a year that are prevented because of private gun ownership.
Between 1977 and 1999 deaths in the US due to multiple victim shootings actually decreased 78% when state Governments decriminalized conceal and carry laws. The 800 pound gorilla in the room you keep ignoring are the statistics by state and their individual gun laws. Each state within the US is essentially a sovereign nation with it's own gun laws. The data is beyond refute. I suggest you set aside your irrational emotions and start educating yourself. Stop ambiguously making absurd and childish arguments in an effort to try and convince us all that we need stricter gun control laws in the US.
In all honesty I don't really care what some irrelevant Canadian's opinion is on US Gun Law is anyways. If you want stricter gun control laws. Fight for them within your own country. I don't feel it is necessary to stop law abiding, moral, and responsible citizenry from owning guns to protect their families to coddle the emotions of Collectivist Authoritarians.
First of all I am not a troll I am a conservative. I have little interest in comparing Canada or the United States to places like Venezuela and Brazil. If these two countries are your comparitives then you will never lose an argument on almost any subject.
Secondly, stop talking about internal crime rates in other democratic countries ie: Canada and U.K. that is a silly comparison if your numbers are correct and I am not sure they are Canada could double their gun crime rate and still be light years behind the U.S. You have not a shred of evidence that shows gun crime and gun deaths are anything but far far greater in U.S. and the one major difference between the U.S. and all other first world democratically elected governments is gun control.
Give me one example where this is not the case, just one please.
Again you are mistaken
Venezuela has banned private gun ownership: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18288430
Brazil = VERY strict gun laws. Guns are only in the hands of a few, yet the homicide rate as a comparative % of population to other developed nations is MUCH HIGHER.
UK = gun crime up despite handgun ban
I've compared %'s of populations in relation to gun laws and gun crime. Brazil is not a third world country. It's a Democracy which has even received Government subsidies from the Obama Administration. The UK is not a third world country. As I stated before and which you repeatedly ignore. Gun Crime skyrocketed in the UK after they passed very strict gun control laws. It increased 400% the first year alone.
Canada ranks 3rd in the developed countries of the world in firearm ownership. Most Canadians who have been polled do not want stricter gun laws. On the contrary, they want less gun control. Violent Crime in Canada has actually increased faster in Canada than the US since strict control laws were passed back in the late 70s.
You keep trying to make the simplistic emotional argument that less guns = less crime. You are mistaken.
Firearms in the possession of morally responsible people does not = more crime. On the contrary it deters crime. Now quit trolling with your Collectivist Authoritarian emotional arguments. It's embarrassing.
You are reduced to comparing the great nation of the United States to lawless third world countries some with dictators like Venezuela, Mexico, South Africa etc.....rather than stable democracies such as Canada, Great Britian and Japan. In order to buttress your point you have been reduced to searching out sad under financed poor countries You have to have a greater belief in Americans and their capacity to better a nation that year after year tragically loses tens of thousands of citizens to senseless gun crime. You must believe that these comparisons cannot be your high water mark, you must be striving to attain crime statistics based on the best countries of the world not the worst.
You are attempting to make a simplistic emotional argument. It doesn't hold up even under the most basic scrutiny. The United States has a population of 300+ million people. So let's compare actual % of populations to that of gun crime and gun ownership.
Brazil as a % of population for example has a small amount of guns in the hands of a very few for example. There is a problem however, the murder rate by firearm is drastically higher than in other countries. Brazil, Venezuela, Columbia, and Ecuador combined have more homicides by firearm than the United States, Mexico, South Africa, The Philippines, Honduras, Guatemala, India, El Salvador, Dominican Republic, Bangladesh, Argentina and Jamaica combined.
Private firearms stop 2.5 million potential crimes a year in the United States.
The facts are the facts. History is History. Start thinking with your head. Not your emotions.
I am not suggesting there is not crime in those other countries, and I would not foolishly suggest there is not gun related crime. The point is the comparisons pale. The U.S. has a significantly greater number of deaths by guns then any other democracy in the world. You may want to argue your point with certain reasons but please not this one, the evidence is overwhelming.
I am a solid conservative from Toronto and I support virtually all GOP postions. But for the life of me I cannot comprehend their postion on gun control. For all the conversation about not being a gun issue and amazingly if there were more guns this could have been averted simply ignores the obvious facts. The U.S. has without a doubt the most violent gun culture in the world and the easiest accessability to weopons that can cause the most damage in the shortest period of time. Finally examine school mass shootings since 1996. There have been 29 in the U.S. and 14 in the entire rest of the world. Does this statistic not give anyone pause to reconsider their postion.
If only one gun exists in a community and that gun is in the hands of a seriously deranged individual, there is a much higher potential for tragedy than if there are a number of guns throughout that entire community. That sicko went into a building where he knew there would be *no guns* in order to cause the highest number of casualties. He had no desire to get into a gun battle. He was a coward who wanted to end his own life *only* after killing as many people as he could. If you have a situation where stable, law abiding citizen are banned from owning guns, it makes it easier for criminals to prey upon them. I am thankful that my IL supreme court has compelled our lawmakers to make conceal and carry legal in IL. I will be carrying on DAY ONE that it becomes legal here. Yesterday, when I arrived at my children's middle school to pick them up, a local policeman was standing guard in front of the school doors. It was a show of force; a non verbal statement. His presence only brings peace and security to those who mean no harm.
stop printing their names . In this hollywood and reality based , youtube culture everyone seems to want to be famous. Take some disturbed idiot who wants to be known and remembered at whatever cost and this is what you end up with.
Yes! I think murderers like this are in a sense shouting, "Look at me! Look at me!" and "Remember me, remember me!"
Make this murderer's name, "dead" in the MSM. Cut out the fame/infamy aspect of these kinds of murders. Say to future would be mass murderers, "You do this we will not remember YOU, but your victims we will."
Yep, I saw on the news where they were plastering an old picture of him from 7 years ago all over the news. What good does it do to show a thirteen year old when the guy was 20. It's because that's all they have right now and everybody wants a picture. No picture is needed. Just call him, like you said, 'dead' and it won't glorify him.
Much like they glorified Trayvon Martin with a picture of a thirteen year old and tried to portray him as some 'little kid'. What is it with the media and pictures of thirteen year olds?
Well now I really wish we could come! but I can't. Sorry tinlizzie. I was really looking forward to it, but my husband wants to come too- but has other stuff he's got to finish up for work tomorrow. He just started back and Sunday being his only day off, has stuff he's got to do. :-( I hope we come soon though. I'm dying to get up there. I will try too to give you more notice when we do come. Sorry!!! Hope you and the Mrs. Have a Blessed day tomorrow though. Thank you tinlizziedriver.
Just so happens My Mrs. and I will be running the place from 4 to 8 pm tomorrow. For some reason, the museum has to stay open late. Fisherman's Village sets our hours, we don't. If you do come up, please be sure to stick around till after 4. :-) The museum opens at noon.
Hi tinlizzieowner. Sorry to cut in with a non topic, but I am waiting for my husband to get home from work. I'd like to come up to the museum tomorrow. Not our whole group this time, just me, husband and son. I'm not sure yet though. Just wanted to let you know. :-) I really am wanting to come up there.
It was on the internet. I'm talking major media outlets. ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, CNN, etc. They refuse to portray him as a grown man, 17 or no 17.
There has never yet been a picture of what Travon Martin actually looked like, published by a major media outlet, including Fox News.
We should start using guard dogs at the schools, they work better, always on time,no sexual contact with children, do not kidnap, they can get rid the drugs, guns..etc, they do not strike for higher wages ,no walking off the job.