This proposed legislation should be called "Back door men." Sorry Jim, but your song pretty much fits here.
Scoop, I was going to make a comment, but I'm not really sure of your belief on this.
I think I'll wait until things are more clear.
One thing is for sure. I don't trust Rubio. I guess for me, that is the hard, cold, fact. I don't trust him. Doesn't mean you can't. That's just me, and I've been wrong before.
But I don't think I am wrong this time.
SAY NO TO AMNESTY FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS http://forumsforjustice.com/forums/showpost.php?p=955&postcount=1 …
Sorry RS your Wrong in your Assessment. He is going to do this, and I Hope your done with him after that. Daily Caller has an article where Rubio's Amnesty Includes their FAMILY MEMBERS. Rubio is NOT To be Trusted. I don't understand why this Guy is BEING PUSHED AND SHOVED IN OUR FACES.
This is a Liar, to the Core of his being. you need to show where Rubio Lied during his Election in 2009 about how he said HE WOULD NOT EVER DO THIS.
I have Shared my Story here plenty. Rubio is NOT I REPEAT NOT A CONSERVATIVE> he Voted every Which way he can with McCain.
YOU DO NOT WORK WITH DEMOCRATS. Nothing the Democrats are working on or pushing is for the Good of the Nation. Rubio is the Perfect Politician. He is a KARL ROVE BOY, you need to show the Article on Rove and Rubio together doing a Speech.
It is Outrageous to constantly say this guy is a Conservative. I am tired of hearing pundits push that, because he is not. it is just like I told Leslie Marshall on her radio show, problem is you think Republicans are Conservatives, they are NOT, the only reason you don't see it yet, is because they haven't moved far enough left for you.
I and My Canadian husband were punished for a Mistake, Three Years later, but hey let them all in right.
I've commented on TRS about this in response to several videos. What about the people who are legal and are waiting for the next visa to hold on to their status? What about people on HI work visas, whose wives are on H-4 visas, and want to work?
Because of the state rules (PA), my wife who was on an H-4 (spouse of H1-B) visa was not even allowed to apply for a Social Security Card.
I've wondered about this: Is Rubio's perspective from one of personal experience? How did his parents come to the U.S., legally, or illegally? Inquiring minds want to know.
What a joke this has become? What a travesty?
H-4 visa holders are not eligible to get a Social Security Number and cannot be employed, but they can hold a driver's license, open bank accounts, and get an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number for US tax purposes...according to wikipedia (which should be taken with a grain of salt). Hope that answers your question?
Don't remember who, but someone here posted that there are rumors going around that his parents were part of Reagan's Amnesty.
Rubio has stated he would have entered this country illegally if need be. That's when I was finished with him.
Be aware that a large percentage of illegals are jihadis... They may have an hispanic or asian name, but they are Islamic jihadis...and a danger to national security.
God forbid he runs for president in 2016.
He's a Bush globalist and crony. When they say jump, he jumps. When they say get out front on immigration as our Hispanic token boy, he does.
Please understand who made Rubio and who his Ultimate Loyalty is. Jeb Bush. Not the tea party.
" the problem with Rubio’s immigration plan is that everyone gets a legal status, which is a level of amnesty, on day one before anything is done to the border."
Until all of the illegal aliens are fingerprinted, DNA taken and run against all of the unsolved crimes in this country, there is not proof that they have not committed violent crimes.
In CA 95% of outstanding homocide warrants in CA are for illegals http://www.cis.org/articles/20...
Has anyone come up with a comprehensive plan? I assume that everything
is still evolving as to what needs to be done.
We can't send them all back. We let them in, we let them work, we let them
drive, we let them stay here for decades. Therefore, we bear responsibility
(at least some) for their plight and ours regarding this issue. However,
this dishing out of govt. benefits needs to stop.
Do you know that if an illegal has a child in this country, that child
is eligible for full govt. benefits? Housing, medical, food, etc.?
What a gig. Why not take the risk to come here? We hold out the carrot.
Therefore, securing the border needs to be No. 1.
As far as Rubio goes, I do not trust the man. I used to. There is something about him now that I do not like. It is a feeling. A feeling that he is
a rino in conservative sheep's clothing. I hope I am wrong.
We've already been down this road. Even during the Bush years, we got monies allocated for increased numbers of Border patrol officers and a border fence. Probably billions of dollars that were never used. I say keep the illegals ILLEGAL. We owe them absolutely nothing.
Giving illegal aliens a Social Security Number and a driver's license is unacceptable and completely wrong! I will fight this tooth and nail. Because once they get these - even though they're here illegally - they can vote and live life just about as freely as anyone else can in America.
Once all this crap is in place, it won't be undone - heck, they don't even enforce the laws today. Obama is already giving amnesty, Holder is suing states that try to enforce the laws, caught illagal aliens are released, people keep hiring illegals... there's nothing but lawlessness over this subject. Until we a) secure the border and then b) enforce existing laws... we have nothing else to talk about. Period.
See what happens when you water down the gene pool by having Schumer, Durbin, Menendez, McCain, and Graham in the Great 8 debate? Fools!!! And Rubio wants to be a rising star in the Republican party by playing along and embracing crap that these jack wagons propose? Seriously?
I'm all for giving Rubio a chance... I like him... but this is WAY wrong and it just guarantees him the key to the executive establishment washroom is all. If Rubio keeps pushing this smelly legislation, I won't be able to support him. Heck, I've already taken him off my Christmas card list.
First of all, Rubio is too young to be running for POTUS in 2016. The last thing we need is another pup to play puppet with our nation! Secondly, we have laws on the books that need to be upheld regarding immigration already! We don't need to dumb it down or make it easier! Freedom comes at a price! We are the only nation on earth that allows people to invade us illegally and get rewarded for it! Secure the borders!
No matter how you slice it or dice it, this is going to be amnesty, just like it was in the 1980s under Reagan. And remember, the Republicans did NOT get any credit, let alone more votes, from the hispanics because of that amnesty. If you think those people are going to "love" us because we came up with "comprehensive immigration reform," dream on. Hispanics are just like any other special interest group. They could care less about the welfare of this country. The only thing they ARE concerned about IS welfare, and housing benefits, and Obamacare, and free education, food stamps, and just about any other Federal program the government can hand to them. You are NOT going to get their votes with amnesty. You have to get them the old-fashioned way. You have to buy them. And the Democrats fully understand that, which is why they always get those votes.
Unfortunately, you are 100% correct in my opinion. I think that people do not understand what is going on, how illegal immigration is bankrupting
hospitals, construction companies, etc. and that they are part of the 47%.
This situation is bankrupting our country.
"Aye" is no test when he already opened the door to it, and took away cover from quite a few already rather squishy GOPers in both houses.
Jan. 29 when Rubio was on Rush in the 2nd hour @17.23 min. he told Rush "Nothing is done here to discourage people coming here illegally in the future." talking about his immigration proposal. When I heard that I new I was done with him.
Could not agree with you more. I was blasted by others when I posted on another site that Rubio could not be trusted and here we are watching him turn left. He once strongly suggested in a speech, about 8 months ago, that none of issues are going away because if they did, politicans would have nothing to campaign for/against. One of the talk hosts said, I believe it's true, the DEMs will get more votes fighting with REPs about immigration, than acutally granting amnesty.
Well it appears that Rubio is ANOTHER politician who is more concerned with HIS future than the future of America.
What is the big deal about wanting to secure the border before giving amnesty?
Scoop, Floridians didn't send Rubio to DC to do Jeb Bush's business or to run for POTUS in 2016. We sent him there to vote against Kerry, he was a no show. We sent him there to vote against Hagel. Instead he's in Israel for the second time. Why does a junior senator from Florida have to be there? Is he going to miss the vote against Hagel too so the Democrats can't brand him with that in 2016? Why isn't Rubio all over the Lew nomination? Lew's Citibank bonus at the tax payers expense is actually something that pisses off some Democrats and most Independents too.
Rubio is a first term senator that hasn't done anything, just like Obama.
Rubio has no executive experience, just like Obama.
All Rubio does is talk, just like Obama.
Rubio hasn't cultivated any relationships to assist him in accomplishing anything, just like Obama.
Rubio is a legend in his own mind, just like Obama.
Are we all just hypocrites now? Do we all believe in Affirmative Action now? Do we just reward Rubio for doing nothing and having no experience governing just because the Democrats did it?
Rubio is looking like the poster boy for Steve Bannon and Peter Schweizer's "Boomtown."
It's way past time for Rubio to represent Floridians and take care of the business we sent him there to do. Addressing amnesty is not even on Floridian's radar screen. Admit it, if Rubio ran on pushing Jeb's amnesty he would never have gotten elected.
Floridians have the right to be incensed. He joined the cesspool. Shame on him!
If running for POTUS was in Rubio's dreams he should have ran for governor. Charlie Crist was leaving. He could have proven to people that he knows how to govern. Rubio is a con artist snake oil salesman. He got out maneuvered by a better snake oil salesman.
Rubio is the typical snot nose that thinks he should be rewarded with the corner office on his first day. Sorry, but conservatives still believe that you earn our respect the old fashioned way. You earn it! You don't get paid just for showing up. You actually have to be qualified for the job and your resume has to prove your accomplishment.
WOW! I agree with you 100%. There is something suspicious about Rubio's actions.
I want to like him, and I sorta do, however, there is always something
niggling in my brain when his name comes up.
He has been groomed by the establishment. He is too weak to walk away from them later...he's owned by them now.
Like Sarah says, she is not for sale. Rubio sold himself long ago and is no longer free to do as he wants or what he thinks he should do. That was his price to pay for being groomed as a leader.
That makes sense...."owned by them". That is why I like Sarah Palin,
Rand Paul and thus far, Ted Cruz. I don't have the impression that
they are owned by anyone.
But he will OWN the Hispanic vote, and that, ladies and gentlemen, is all that matters to the Republican Establishment.
Well lanahi, I don't think I need to, "chill out," but thanks for the explanation, nonetheless. Interesting that you don't want to argue, but you do want to have the last word. That's okay. We'll let the subject go.
Oh, chill out, white. I used the generic "you", but I guess I needed to be more clear. I was not referring to you as a person at all, so your assumptions about my assumptions arn't correct either! I don't post to a person but just the message, so it isn't all about you. I am not the one arguing, and I won't.
Regardless of whatever the dictionary or the government has to say about who is "Hispanic", I know that those with Mexican backgrounds do not automatically regard Cubans as "one of theirs", and electing a Cuban just isn't quite the same to them and won't necessarily get you the "Hispanic" vote. I said you would have to ask THEM why not because I don't know. Maybe it is the same as not identifying Australians or British with Americans just because we all speak the same language, I don't know. Like I said, you will have to ask them why, not me.
Excuse me lanai, but you are the one who made the statement,
"Cuban does not equal Hispanics in their minds. That's a misconception that the GOPe has."
I simply asked you to tell me why, but you failed to do that. Instead, you suggested that I ask the Hispanics and Cubans and Puerto Ricans, etc., an incorrect statement in itself, since Cubans and Puerto Ricans are Hispanic. See below.
The U.S. Office of Management and Budget currently defines "Hispanic or Latino" as "a person of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin, regardless of race". - wikipedia
For the record, I did not say that they identify with each other's culture, nor did I, "lump" them together, as you imply. All I said was, "Rubio will own the Hispanic vote," which is why the Republican Establishment is grooming him for 2016. Hispanics will vote for him because he is Hispanic, and he is the poster child for Amnesty, not because he is Cuban. If that is what you call, "lumping," then the insult is yours, not mine, because I did not make that statement. Ignorance is where you find it.
You seem to like to make assumptions. For instance, what makes you assume that I have a lack of knowledge of Spanish speaking populations? To make that determination from a ten word question that I posted to you is a remarkable feat indeed.
I studied Spanish and Spanish Literature for six years in High School and College. I used to be so fluent in the language that I could pass for a native. While I have never been to Cuba, I have spent considerable time in Mexico and Spain. I have many Spanish speaking friends whom I have collected over the years, even a few Cubans. My first wife was Mexican, from Mexico City. Three of my four sons are half Mexican. So, I guess, "pandering" to those among us who speak Spanish, really never occurred to me. Your words, yet again.
You may be highly qualified to talk about such things. I have no way of knowing, since I don't know you. Sort of like the way you didn't know me, before you made all those comments.
We shouldn't be arguing with each other at all really, because we are both on the same side of what this country is facing. But you seem to have a chip on your shoulder for some reason. You may find that by removing that chip, you will perhaps enjoy better conversations here on Scoop. At least with me.
You will have to ask the Hispanics and Cubans and Puerto Ricans, etc., why.
Just because they all speak Spanish does not mean they identify with each other, because they don't. Non-Spanish speakers lump them all together, but they themselves do not lump themselves together with other Spanish-speaking populations...the "lumping" is an insult because it shows your ignorance about them.
It's also true that illegals harm the Hispanic population more than anyone, and not all Hispanics are pro-amnesty for that reason.
This lack of knowledge of the Spanish speaking populations also does not endear the panderers to them. If you are going to pander, you need to know who you are pandering to.
Better yet, don't pander to anyone...just spread the same conservative message to everyone and see how it works.
No he won't Hispanics break themselves down by country of origin, i e Mexico, Porto Rico, Cuba, etcetera. I believe because he is Cuban, the Hispanic vote will follow the benefits, not the common background.
Well here's a little something to slap the likes of McCain, Rubio, Grahamnesty and the rest of the Gang of 8 in the face! http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/21/us-usa-immigration-idUSBRE91K01A20130221
No one has ever measured the minds of Illegals. There is no real way of knowing what they are apt to do. You and lanahi and others, have pointed out that they like welfare. That they come to this country, not for Freedom, but for Free stuff, which is not exactly the same as the Freedom we believe in.
One thing is for sure. Because our government lacks the ability or the fortitude to secure our southern border, they are coming here in large numbers.
It is like the Star Trek movie about the, "Borg." Except we are not the ones doing the, "assimilating." They are.
Give it another twenty years or so, and I believe you will find descendants of white Europeans, pretty thin on the landscape.
The magical experiment in Freedom that began over two hundred years ago, may just be drawing to a close. And as Obama lies sleeping, he is smiling. Because he knows full well that all his lies are believed by those among us who believe in the Federal Government. The level of fifty per cent has been reached and surpassed. The pigeons are feeding, and they are happy.
And they are not about to listen to anything you or I have to say.
When I saw this from Daily Caller, I thought of our chat today. This would be awesome! http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/20/sen-ted-cruz-heads-to-ohio-ahead-of-possible-presidential-run/
For Rubio to go full bore on amnesty for people who have violated the laws of this country in exchange for votes makes him no better than a pimp (a Bush pimp at that). He does not respect our Constitution or Rule of Law. He may pick up Cubans but he will so alienate the base that millions upon millions more will either not vote or will vote Dem. The Dem will run the 1st woman and Hillary, with the backing of the Obama fraud machine and her husband will clean up the polls.
I agree with both you and lanahi that Hispanics vote overwhelmingly for Democratic candidates, but they have never had the opportunity to vote for an Hispanic Presidential Candidate. I understand the, "freebie thing," but just like 98% of blacks voted for Obama, I think you will see a majority of Hispanics voting for Rubio, or any other Hispanic candidate the Republicans run.
One thing is for sure. Cubans vote Republican.
Mark Levin did a nice show on this, the Hispanics overwhelmingly go Dem even though it is a Repub that goes the amnesty route. They go for the freebies.
It isn't the fact that he is a Cuban Hispanic. It's the fact that he is one of the strongest promoters of Amnesty. Amnesty benefits all Hispanics, not just Cubans.
Except perhaps those who arrived here legally.
I believe you have assessed Rubio well - and us for not seeing him for what he is. A post turtle.
It was hard for me too because I did support Rubio's campaign, but now I see I was just caught up in the rhetoric and 2010 wave to get rid of the likes of Crist. Once I learned that neither of his parents were citizens and he was avoiding the same NBC eligibility issue as Hussein his deceptions became crystal clear. He held the power to knock usurper Hussein off the throne yet he put his political ambitions above our sovereignty.
Eligibility is no longer an issue in future elections. Obama tore down that barrier, and left the door open for anyone from any foreign country.
It's sad, really. If they are going to destroy The Constitution, I would rather they just burn it on the Capitol steps in front of all the major news networks, instead of killing it a piece at time.
I like the man. Since we seem to be headed for an Hispanic President in the near future, I hope its Ted Cruz.
Okay good. You always have excellent posts so I had to sit back from the prior one for a moment, thanks for clarifying! With Ted the "Cruz Missile" he will have his constitutional ducks in a row before he goes on a ticket, be sure of that.
What I meant was that no one cares as long as the candidate is a Democrat. A Republican, like Rubio or Cruz, will be an entirely different matter.
I agree. There is a double standard by the Democrats on more than one issue we are grappling with. It is almost a certainty that they will attack any Hispanic candidate on eligibility, just like they did with McCain. Ted Cruz will be next.
Here's link to a story on Politico:
They don't care anymore because nothing will be done about it anyway and it's confusing. It's not even worth talking about, actually, because it doesn't matter...nothing will change it.
With all due respect, lanahi, no one cares anymore. It isn't an issue, because no one cares. It all comes back to one thing, and one thing only. Progressive Indoctrination.
The bar is much higher for presidential eligibility than it is for citizenship. Writings from the founding fathers made it plain that they did not want divided loyalties from a president, thus his parents must also be citizens, especially the father. This was the original intent, and one that Obama fails. But, because it wasn't defined in depth in the Constitution itself, the SCOTUS was called upon to rule on the issue. They failed to define the terms and end the debate regarding Obama because they were cowards. Even Clarence Thomas indicated that much...they did all they could to ignore the issue. Sooner or later, they will have to tackle it, since several possible GOP candidates have the same eligibility issues. This could get sticky.
Obama's failure to be a Natural Born Citizen has not been adjudicated to be the case, at least not yet. That does not prevent the Dems from challenging Rubio and can not be raised as a defense.