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Can't disagree with you there sDee! Boehner has proven to be a wimp as has MOST we put up there!
I am going to survive it because i am going on vacation! Can you imagine how nasty this town is going to get...the CMPD gestapo and City Council have created a whole bunch of new laws re: protesting! DISGUSTING!
You can't humiliate a dead person ... all post mortem acts impact only those who are not dead ... and you can bet the "humiliation scale" is measuring a far greater weight in the West and the U.S. than anywhere in Taliban-world where chopping off heads and other body-parts is tolerated ...
Your cliches and pop psychology are a waste of space.
You are quite right, you are quite wrong about my duration of service in Vietnam. Perhaps you have an excuse as many Yanks can't read a calendar. Go back and have another look.
You would have to read my book to discover the significance of the Jellybeans, but the incident referred to occurred at the Canungra Jungle Training Centre in Australia in November 1969 prior to deployment in SVN, but an extract is published here - http://www.4rarassociationsaustralia.com/battle-efficiency-course.html
It a fine metaphor for the outrageous absurdity that is the reality of modern infantry warfare.
For what it's worth, I retired at the peak of my profession after a succesful and award-winning career. I still work in the field (education of children with disabilities) as a consultant, because my skills and experience are in demand.
I have a succesful marriage and four great kids. Unfortunately many of my digger mates haven't been so fortunate, and continue to suffer as a consequence of chemical exposure and PTSD. I am one of only two in my rifle section of ten who are not on a service pension because of incapacity.
My book is selling well, and I have already recovered publishing costs since it was released in September 2011. I wrote it for my mates, not to make money.
The actions of your soldiers were unworthy. By themselves - not significant, but taken in the context of the conflicts your country has involved itself in since Korea, part of a disturbing pattern.
I post here because I have seen what jingoism, hatred, and ignorance breed, and I don't want my children and grandchildren to be exposed to it. My father elisted in the RAAF and served in New Guinea in WW2, so I'm relieved that my sons are the first in three generations not to be exposed to the horrors of war.
Have you ever given a thought as to why so many war veterans aren't supportive of military conflict as a way of solving problems? No - thought not.
As to your bizarre references to Jesus, I can only feel sorry for you if you take yourself seriously enough to think that born again claptrap cuts any ice in this country.
That primitive mindset (similar in many respects to fundamental Islam) only persists in parts of the USA where ignorance and bigotry thrive.
Even that walking, unfunny, corpse of a liberal, Bill Maher says it doesn't bother him.
So, are those who are bothered by it even more cretinized than Bill Maher? Cripes, that's saying something!
I find it hard to disagree with anything the great Patton did. The media convinced my dad, a vet, Patton was bad. You can fool some of the people all the time.
Re editing, what the British soldiers did to US women and children, in front of their husbands. But, in fairness to the British, they treated everybody that way.
Most Turks put heads on fort gates. Kinda like, in your face. Strange you never see on TV.
Don't fish in Mexico, or the deep water. Person like you, teeth too close to your boat. In deep water, I once passed over a shark, bigger than 30 feet boat.
Another wasted effort. Christ said I am a spiritual being, and not of this earth. I am not of natural things. Come on, stop trying to govern morality.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. If you please, sir, please only fight in the open, no ambushes, please. Use only clean ammunition. do not touch our women and children. We must always be tasteful. Tut tut. I have known people like you, and avoid them, when ever possible. You live in a different world, sir, and have no contact with this one. May you die as innocent as you are. Reality checks are hell.
Well, at least some one has a clue. WW2 was a lesson for an entire generation. Faced with Japanese occupier film, and Nazi war camps, the USA realized what was out there. FDR had done his best, to mask it all, decrying how people were such angels, communism was great. Now, liberals stand in public and demand we leave all those angelic Muslims to their own business. The media cries on the air, at some muslims child, dying, even though he just killed 30 innocent people with a bomb. Now, Muslim terrorist take tape of their most horrible acts, and send it to USA news agencies, who immediately put it on the air. So, I ask, can you make sense of this? I can. Am I all that much smarter than all of you? I doubt that. It seems obvious, the media does this because they like it. They relish Americans dying. So, why should you believe anything they say? Why would you respect anyone, who wants to punish our protectors? Perry says, the media,and a gov that promotes this stuff, as bad. Obama, and the most of the candidates say no, it is a good thing. Well, you get to make a choice, What you want?
The last time American troops fought to defend American freedom, their uniforms were grey and sadly they lost.
So true, CM.
The words in your simple statement uncover a truth that most Americans are unable to understand, much less have any real comprehension of what was lost.
You have to realize that the majority of Northerners (nee Yankees) alive today have no familial connection to any Union soldiers; unlike in the defeated South, where not only there exist many, many people directly connected to the Confederates, they also have not forgotten what was lost, and the incredible lengths that the Lincoln Republicans went to in order to successfully deprive the white Southern people of their freedom and heritage.
Now we find that the grand old USA has been taken over by hard-core Socialists disguised as legitimate Democrats, and this takeover will be complete and mostly irreversible once Obama wins again.
I must say, as the progeny of those who gave their lives defending their homeland during the War of Northern Aggression, America deserves everything that's coming!
So if I can get this right.....Very little is said about what happens to our dead on the battle field or hell even those taken prisoner and yet these Marines are bad guys for pissing on evil men? This is the text book definition of ass backwards.
"I respect all servicemen and women for their service"
No you don't - unless they agree with your delusional view of the world. I'll give you some advice for free - get yourself a passport, travel to Vietnam, research the history of the various wars they fought against the Japanese, the French and the Americans. In 1979 they fought another (brief) war against the Chinese.
You might begin to get a glimmer of understanding of how the Vietnamese people fought tenaciously for independence and achieved it in 1975. In 1978 they brought the slaughter in Cambodia to an end. American bombing (which I heard as we were operating in the North of the Province at the time) triggered the rise of Pol Pot's butchers.
You can here B52 strikes from 50 clics. Your air force carpet bombed villages, and destroyed most of the infrastructure. It was relatively easy for Pol Pot's crew to take power after this. 745000 Cambodians died - and you're upset because some jarheads are condemned for stupidly.
You have a warped set of priorities. As I said before - delusional.
Fact 1 - Bush "served" in the Air National Guard stateside.
Fact 2 - Kerry saw acive service in a war zone in South Vietnam.
Fact 3 - I encountered American forces on operational service in an Infantry Battalion in Vietnam.
Fact 4 - My service is on the record. See link above.
Fact 5 - American Marines in Afghanistan have behaved disgracefully.
Fact 6 - The War in Vietnam saw a victory for the Vietnamese.
Fact 7 - Vietnam is now a prosperous and developing country with one of the highest GDPs in the region.
You need to study some history. Suggestions - "Vietnam, the Australian War" - Paul Ham, Harper Collins, Australia, 2007 would be a good start. For a local perspective, you could read "Jellybeans in the Jungle" - Bob Whittaker, EIEIO, Australia, 2011.
Like many Americans you are sublimely ignorant of any history except your own.
Irrespective of history, I reckon I'm in a much better position than you are to make comment about the conduct of American troops in combat. I observed it - you did not.
If history was properly taught in your schools, you and future generations of Americans might avoid the disasters that your military-industrial complex has landed you in since Korea.
It might also help you understand why hatred of the USA is common to billions living in the Middle East and South East Asia.
On my last visit to Vietnam I met an ex-VC, a member of D445 Regiment, the main unit we pursued when I was in 7 RAR. He said to me -
"You Uc Da Lois (Australians) were very good soldiers. You were fighting on the wrong side. If you had been fighting with us we would have got rid of the Americans five years earlier than we did".
Fact 1 - Bush "served" in the Air National Guard stateside.
Fact 2 - Kerry saw acive service in a war zone in South Vietnam.
Fact 3 - I encountered American forces on operational service in an Infantry Battalion in Vietnam.
Fact 4 - My service is on the record. See link above.
Fact 5 - American Marines in Afghanistan have behaved disgracefully.
Fact 6 - The War in Vietnam saw a victory for the Vietnamese.
Fact 7 - Vietnam is now a prosperous and developing country with one of the highest GDPs in the region.
You need to study some history. Suggestions - "Vietnam, the Australian War" - Paul Ham, Harper Collins, Australia, 2007 would be a good start. For a local perspective, you could read "Jellybeans in the Jungle" - Bob Whittaker, EIEIO, Australia, 2011.
Like many Americans you are sublimely ignorant of any history except your own.
Irrespective of history, I reckon I'm in a much better position than you are to make comment about the conduct of American troops in combat. I observed it - you did not.
If history was properly taught in your schools, you and future generations of Americans might avoid the disasters that your military-industrial complex has landed you in since Korea.
It might also help you understand why hatred of the USA is common to billions living in the Middle East and South East Asia.
On my last visit to Vietnam I met an ex-VC, a member of D445 Regiment, the main unit we pursued when I was in 7 RAR. He said to me -
"You Uc Da Lois (Australians) were very good soldiers. You were fighting on the wrong side. If you had been fighting with us we would have got rid of the Americans five years earlier than we did".
Obama had ordered a "sea burial" for the Taliban insurgents, but the message somehow got garbled.
The Taliban is evil but how sad for our marines to display such vulgar behavior as urinating on dead corpses. They are supposed to act in honorable ways. They certainly didn't here. Shame on Levin for advocating it.
AWW!!! You make me smile and cry at the same time!!! I can't wait for that day. Well, I can- you know what I mean, but it is something I am SO looking forward to!!!
I agree paulbot. I agree that sin, no matter what our view of lesser or more is, is all the same in the sight of God. I also agree that we can not demonize the enemy, though they act subhuman, they are human... and until the day they draw their last breath, still deserve to be prayed for, and still have a chance to know Christ. God can soften the hardest heart- I truly believe that, so we never know which one if any or how many of the enemy might just have a "Damascus Road" experience. I wish this stupid video was never made public either. I still do not condemn those who did it, and while I said before their behavior was childish, I can't imagine what I'd be like in the same situation. I just wish that politicians and others who ARE condemning these guys would show the same and state at the very least, the same condemnation on those who treat our people over there with evil and perverted treatments.
I think why this frustrates me so, is it reminds me of the stupid crap that went on at abu graib (SP?!) The leftists were screaming for the US soldiers heads for stupid childish behavior- yet the people who were a part of Saddam's forces who were also held there did atrocities which NONE of the liberals talked about. This stuff all came down within a short time when they were blaming and chanting Bush lied, comparing our soldiers to murderers etc., and when Saddam was captured. I had seen not too long before that a news special on CBN which had video (it was fuzzed out so not to be so graphic) but you could see Saddam's sons and some of his guards at the prison beheading people, chopping hands and legs off people and LAUGHING about it. Well, near the end of the broadcast, it showed members of congress watching the unedited version of it, and I remember that people like John Murtha, Kerry and Kennedy were there along with others who saw this. They looked shocked, as even the fuzzy version was plenty shocking, but not once did any of these people come out and condemn Saddam's people for doing it- they condemned our soldiers for putting underwear on naked people's heads instead.
This is why, for myself at least, I am angry and will stand by our Marines. If that's wrong, I'll have to answer to my Lord for it some day.
Mark Levin, you are an ass. the muslim fundamentalists oppose us because we are a nation of laws, a democracy. we are a compassionate nation that values justice, you would have us act like barbarians. shame on you.
Typical septic*. In perpetual denial, no brains, no arguement, no education, and beats a hasty retreat.
*Cockney rhyming slang - septic tank - Yank.
So you were there, were you Jaynie59? You saw and heard what was going on?
This has absolutely nothing to do with John Kerry or Winter Soldiers.
I'll give you a few examples - these are things I saw - first hand.
GIs tromping through the scrub with transistor radios blaring
American fighter-bombers dropping napalm closer to our position than the enemies
American artillery firing randomly and narrowly missing our position
An American NCO threatening us (allies) with a loaded m-16 in a FSB
American GIs high on Pot
American GIs with slung weapons and grenades attached to their kit using the pin
They were, as we put it a "shower of shit".
There may have been some elite US units, but we didn't see them.
We treated enemy, dead or alive, with respect. As a result, when I go back to Vietnam the Vietnamese of the age who went through what they call the "American War" remember and make comment.
One Australian was worth 10 GIs.
Incidentially, Winter Soldiers was used in an orchestrated conspiracy to keep Kerry out of the White House. There's something fundamentally wrong with a country which elects a twit like Bush over a Veteran with distinguished service. I guess in the end your country paid for it, given the history. See the testimony - http://www2.iath.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_Soldier/WS_entry.html
"You may or may not have been in Nam"
Go here - http://www.vietnamroll.gov.au/VeteranDetails.aspx?VeteranId=1227707
Mark L. says it as he sees it. Personal observation/experience: You simply can not know the feeling of being shot at by heathens and then exacting revenge so completely. It ain't like scoring a touchdown in a game; there's a heckuva lot more adrenaline and emotion involved. Peeing on dead heathens is a whole lot different than beheading or blowing up innocents and then bragging about it on Al Jazeera, or whatever. Judge not, please.
Black Jack certainly issued those orders and made sure they were carried out, the result of which was and end to the hostilities with the muslims in the Philipines.
Maybe if the Marines had wrapped the Taliban in a US flag before p*$$ing on them the MSM would be happier?
I'm not even American but I say, "God Bless the magnificent Men and Women of the US Military".
I see things from a spiritual view point all the time. I pray for the enemy to come to know Christ, and I pray for our soldiers to be safe. I don't like the thought of anyone dying in war- our guys or the enemy, because still many (all of the enemy) don't yet have Christ as their savior. That said, what these guys did here, while juvenile, one can NOT judge them until they have seen and felt what they have. Not ONE politician who has never been over there has any right to vilify these guys for what they did. Do I agree with what they did? Not so much, but again, I have no idea what they have gone through which would drive them to do such a thing. It's not so much that people are glorifying the thing that these few guys did, it's the hypocrisy which is what Levin, West and most of us are furious at and will take the side of our boys over there than any of the enemy or those in our own government who rag on them. What they did was juvenile as I said, but what the enemy does is evil. So, it's not exactly returning evil for evil.
I see things from a spiritual view point all the time. I pray for the enemy to come to know Christ, and I pray for our soldiers to be safe. I don't like the thought of anyone dying in war- our guys or the enemy, because still many (all of the enemy) don't yet have Christ as their savior. That said, what these guys did here, while juvenile, one can NOT judge them until they have seen and felt what they have. Not ONE politician who has never been over there has any right to vilify these guys for what they did. Do I agree with what they did? Not so much, but again, I have no idea what they have gone through which would drive them to do such a thing. It's not so much that people are glorifying the thing that these few guys did, it's the hypocrisy which is what Levin, West and most of us are furious at and will take the side of our boys over there than any of the enemy or those in our own government who rag on them. What they did was juvenile as I said, but what the enemy does is evil. So, it's not exactly returning evil for evil.
I see things from a spiritual view point all the time. I pray for the enemy to come to know Christ, and I pray for our soldiers to be safe. I don't like the thought of anyone dying in war- our guys or the enemy, because still many (all of the enemy) don't yet have Christ as their savior. That said, what these guys did here, while juvenile, one can NOT judge them until they have seen and felt what they have. Not ONE politician who has never been over there has any right to vilify these guys for what they did. Do I agree with what they did? Not so much, but again, I have no idea what they have gone through which would drive them to do such a thing. It's not so much that people are glorifying the thing that these few guys did, it's the hypocrisy which is what Levin, West and most of us are furious at and will take the side of our boys over there than any of the enemy or those in our own government who rag on them. What they did was juvenile as I said, but what the enemy does is evil. So, it's not exactly returning evil for evil.
OH EW!! LOL claws and eyeballs?! I'm glad I never stopped for a meal when I passed through on my way from Texas to Florida, although I hear crawdads are quite yummy. No, lol, while we do live out in the boonies, we're not swamp "rats", but when our ditches and ponds are full from summer monsoons, we can and do get the odd gator coming to hang out for a while. It's OK if we stay out of their way, and keep the pets from getting too close. I've never eaten gator tail yet, and actually do want to try it.... I hear it tastes like chicken :-) No, my gator story involves my husband. We have a lake about a half hour away which is a great fishing spot, but it is FULL of gators, some of them monsters. 9 foot and longer. Well our boat is tiny, the same boat my husband's had since he was 12- but it's a great boat and takes us to fishing spots that no bass boat will go to. So, he decided to go to the lake to fish. It was a beauty day, but he came home about an hour later. I asked what the deal was, and he said too many gators making eyes at him, and most of them were longer than the boat. Needless to say, we fish off the pier now when we go there ;-)
These are some of the critters I'd never had to deal with in Canada, but I like the wildlife here.
This makes me want to be there cheering as Mark is saying these words! Americans are getting so far past angry and in the center of FULL BLOWN RAGE!
BankGuy: I DO NOT Plan on being around to watch the city turn to filth! I will be on vacation! LOL
Folks PLEASE share the above event with EVERYONE you can!!!
So you were there, were you Jaynie59? You saw and heard what was going on?
This has absolutely nothing to do with John Kerry or Winter Soldiers.
I'll give you a few examples - these are things I saw - first hand.
GIs tromping through the scrub with transistor radios blaring
American fighter-bombers dropping napalm closer to our position than the enemies
American artillery firing randomly and narrowly missing our position
An American NCO threatening us (allies) with a loaded m-16 in a FSB
American GIs high on Pot
American GIs with slung weapons and grenades attached to their kit using the pin
They were, as we put it a "shower of shit".
There may have been some elite US units, but we didn't see them.
We treated enemy, dead or alive, with respect. As a result, when I go back to Vietnam the Vietnamese of the age who went through what they call the "American War" remember and make comment.
One Australian was worth 10 GIs.
Incidentially, Winter Soldiers was used in an orchestrated conspiracy to keep Kerry out of the White House. There's something fundamentally wrong with a country which elects a twit like Bush over a Veteran with distinguished service. I guess in the end your country paid for it, given the history. See the testimony - http://www2.iath.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_Soldier/WS_entry.html
So you were there, were you Jaynie59? You saw and heard what was going on?
This has absolutely nothing to do with John Kerry or Winter Soldiers.
I'll give you a few examples - these are things I saw - first hand.
GIs tromping through the scrub with transistor radios blaring
American fighter-bombers dropping napalm closer to our position than the enemies
American artillery firing randomly and narrowly missing our position
An American NCO threatening us (allies) with a loaded m-16 in a FSB
American GIs high on Pot
American GIs with slung weapons and grenades attached to their kit using the pin
They were, as we put it a "shower of shit".
There may have been some elite US units, but we didn't see them.
We treated enemy, dead or alive, with respect. As a result, when I go back to Vietnam the Vietnamese of the age who went through what they call the "American War" remember and make comment.
One Australian was worth 10 GIs.
Incidentially, Winter Soldiers was used in an orchestrated conspiracy to keep Kerry out of the White House. There's something fundamentally wrong with a country which elects a twit like Bush over a Veteran with distinguished service. I guess in the end your country paid for it, given the history. See the testimony - http://www2.iath.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_Soldier/WS_entry.html
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