The Right Scoop- Tony
I was hoping he would talk about Herman Cain, thankfully he did
.I think we have a fine field of candidates myself.
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- Tony
Thankfully he talked about Herman Cain, I was hoping he would.
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- J.A. Topfke
And yet, the so-called Conservative Levin constantly insults the Congressman who, according to the American Journal of Political Science, has the most conservative voting record in either house since 1937. One standard for Levin, another standard for everybody else.
- Rich
Ron Paul isn’t a conservative. He is a libertarian. There is a difference. It would be helpful if SOME of the Ron Paul supporters would learn of the differences and fully comprehend the vision and world view of the man they support.
So when you say Levin is a “so-called Conservative” what you’re implying is that Ron Paul is the “real” conservative, when in fact, he is not.
- publius
I think Paul IS conservative – on fiscal policy. On foreign policy, he sounds more like Al Qaeda.
That said, what Levin is talking about has been going on a long time. No matter how liberal, they’re never out of the mainstream and always smart.
- J.A. Topfke
I didn’t mention Ron Paul. Why would you assume I was talking about him?
Or maybe you already knew who has the most conservative voting record — which would tend to contradict your argument of who the real conservative is.
I was using Levin’s own term, “so-called Conservative” because that’s the term he uses for others who does as he does and criticizes conservative candidates. Even if they may be Constitutional Conservatives.
- Rich
BecauseI’m a fairly intelligent person?
As far as the voting record, that again comes from people morphingconservatism with libertarianism.
Reminds me of the Glenn Beck chart where you took a test to see how libertarian you were. Only the test lacked any question that would set a libertarian apart from a conservative, even though there are many. It was flawed.
- The Right Scoop
You really don’t listen to Levin do you. He doesn’t call Ron Paul stupid. He, like most people criticize his misguided foreign policy but at the same time Paul is good on many domestic issues.
But Levin doesn’t do to Paul what he’s saying others are doing to Palin, Bachmann, and Cain.
- J.A. Topfke
Not very sporting to hold my reply in moderation, is it?
- The Right Scoop
Yeah it had a ton of links….it was marked as spam immediately.
Just make your point without all the links…it’ll work better I think.
- J.A. Topfke
OK, sorry for the links. I’ll rephrase my reply:
I respectfully disagree. Levin constantly refers to Dr. Paul by the derogatory term “Ru Paul.” How is this any different than someone calling Palin stupid?
For Mark Levin it is do as Mark Levin says, but not as Mark Levin does.
- publius
I think you are missing the point. Levin is talking about the decades-old practice of RINO’s to question the credentials of conservatives. Levin criticizing Paul because his foreign policy theory is not conservative or even coherent. Some of us remember the RINO’s telling us this stuff about Reagan.
Also, and this is just me, but Paul’s supporters include too many nut-balls. Those are the ones bombing Sean Hannity with snowballs, for example.
- publius
Oh, and on the American Conservative Union Ratings, Paul gets 83.5% lifetime, which sounds about right to me. Santorum gets 88%, Gingrich 91%, Bachmann 100%.
- J.A. Topfke
You wouldn’t pelt Sean Hannity with a snowball, given the chance? There’s a bunch of snow…there’s Sean Hannity walking by…I mean, c’mon, who could resist?
I’m not missing the point. Levin constantly calls him “Ru Paul.” It is a derogatory name meant to belittle him and has absolutely nothing to do with foreign policy.
Thank you for pointing out the ACU stats, which further proves my point.
Honestly, I was going to abandon this thread as hopeless, but you seem to be an adequate sparring partner, capable of researched opinions without resorting to name-calling (except for the nutballs comment.)
So I am going to ask you a question, and I mean this as a serious question, not some sort of I’m-right-you’re-wrong internet debate thing. You say Ron Paul’s foreign policy “is not conservative or even coherent.” How so? I hear this all the time and I believe it is incorrect, so please explain your point of view.
Did you know that in the last campaign Ron Paul received more donations from the military than any other Republican candidate? If I’m not mistaken, more than all other Republican candidates combined. Who’s foreign policy do you think the troops consider to be the most incoherent? Their hard-earned money would seem to imply they believe more in the Ron Paul foreign policy than in the neo-con foreign policy.
When you state that Ron Paul’s foreign policy is not conservative, that is simply not true. The traditional conservative foreign policy has always been a humble foreign policy of no nation building. I will use a quote from your own reference, the ACU: “A mature understanding of the limits of military power and a reluctance to shed American blood in causes that do not directly affect true national interests are at the heart of any conservative foreign policy. A reluctance to ‘go to the gun’ to right every wrong or a willingness to resist the temptation to tilt at windmills does not an isolationist make.” The argument, I suppose, is whether our nation-building in Afghanistan directly affects “true national interests”. I would argue that it does not. If you believe that it does, then please explain in exact terms how this helps our national interests.
There seems to be a notion that Paul is somehow weak on defense because he disagrees with our foreign policy, or even more ridiculous that he would somehow welcome a terrorist attack. In 2001 Paul used his knowledge of history to introduce legislation for Letters of Marque and Reprisal which would have specifically targeted bin Laden and his associates. With a one billion dollar bounty on bin Laden’s head. It didn’t pass, so we’ll never know how it would have turned out, but wouldn’t it have been more reasonable to spend a billion dollars to target rogue outlaws than it would be to spend trillions of dollars and thousands of American lives in endless war? We beat the Nazis in less than 5 years, but it has already taken more than 10 years to hunt down a hundred goat farmers. The neo-cons policy was simply reactionary, costing us countless blood and treasure and creating situations in which terrorists could easily hide in the civilian population, while Dr. Paul’s policy is more strategic and creates conditions in which no terrorist is safe.
You claimed that Dr. Paul’s foreign policy was incoherent. We borrowed billions of dollars from China to pay off Musharraf, who was a military dictator that overthrew an elected government…to support democracy in Iraq. We borrow billions of dollars from China to pay off Pakistan…and then we bomb them. Is that what you consider a coherent foreign policy? Is that what you are defending?
In summary, Dr. Paul believes in the traditional conservative foreign policy, i.e., no nation building, no being the policemen of the world. He follows the advise of the Founders who warned against entangling alliances and favored a non-interventionist (note: not isolationist, which is a different thing) foreign policy.
I hope I have summarized his foreign policy accurately. I had trouble posting links before, so I hope this doesn’t throw me into moderation, but this guy says is better than I can:
You seem like a reasonable fellow, so I will give you the last word…
- publius
You wouldn’t pelt Sean Hannity with a snowball, given the chance? ”
No. But I might pelt you. BTW, I stopped reading at the end of that sentence.
- J.A. Topfke
You know, I was really excited. I thought to myself, “Here’s somebody who will be able to give a reasonable, well-measured response. Somebody who’s not afraid of an intellectual challenge.” I was respectful, courteous and even gave you the chance for the last word. Unchallenged.
Yet, when given the opportunity to explain your position, not only to me but to the wider audience, of how Dr. Paul’s foreign policy is incoherent and the current foreign policy is coherent…you dropped the ball. The best you could come up with was an insult. We can only conclude that you had no reasonable response.
Maybe you heard somebody like Ann Coulter or some other Fox News pundit say that she supports everything the Congressman stands for except foreign policy (her quote from CPAC) and now that opinion is your own, without any further thought or investigation into the matter. And I had such high hopes for you. Oh, publius, where did it all go so wrong?
Yeah, I don’t blame you for responding only with an insult. You had nothing better. Facts and logic can be an annoying thing.
P.S. Sorry I poked fun at your sacred cow, Sean Hannity.
- norman bates
The so-called Conservative Levin, if you look Conservatism up in the dictionary, you will see a picture of the great one, they don’t come any smarter.
- Jimbo
Amen to that Norman. His monologue was awesome today.
- badnewzbearz
Ron Paul wants to legalize heroin and prostitution. Those are NOT conservative positions. With increasing moral decay and the civil society under constant attack by the left – yeah, that’s what we need to do is legalize heroin. Sheesh.
- J.A. Topfke
Really? The reason I support Ron Paul is so that I can shoot heroin with hookers.
Seriously, though, I think you missed his point. He is not in favor of heroin and prostitution. His point was that it is not the role of the Federal Government to tell us what we can and can’t do with our bodies, any more than they can tell us if we can drink raw milk, or they can force our kids to take Ridilin or tell us how much salt we can put on our fries. Because we are the owners of our bodies, not the government. He is in favor of limited Federal Government and that is a conservative position, and that is why even South Carolina Republicans cheered his answer on heroin.
In other words, laws against abortion, heroin, prostitution and gay marriage, etc. are for the States to decide, not the Federal Government. The reason our Founders made this a republic and not a democracy is so that Michelle Obama or 51% of the union couldn’t tell the other 49% when and how we can pray in public, whether or not we can smoke cigarettes or how many Big Macs we can legally consume.
- Jaynie59
There is no need to advance your candidate by insulting the most brilliant, articulate, passionate conservative voice we have today. It doesn’t do your position any good. It just makes you seem like a thin skinned, typical Ron Paul minion. Mark Levin is hardly the only conservative to find Paul a disgusting example of the worst of the Libertarian platform. All anyone has to do is listen to Ron Paul talk about 9/11 to know that the man is a hateful excuse for a human being. You agree with those views? Fine. Own them. Don’t attack Mark Levin in a sorry attempt to make yourself feel better about supporting that kind of anti-American hatred.
- J.A. Topfke
The intention of my original post was not to promote my candidate. In fact, I intentionally didn’t mention his name. My intention was to point out the prima facia fact that Mark Levin is a hypocrite.
I’ll break it down slowly for you so you can understand: Levin says he is tired of so-called conservatives bad mouthing conservative candidates/ the so-called conservative Levin bad mouths conservative candidates.
According to your reasoning, it is OK for Levin because others do it, too, but that doesn’t make it any less hypocritical. It is not any more acceptable than when conservative pundits call Palin stupid. But I suppose hypocrisy is OK in your world, as long as it’s your guy doing it.
What exactly about Paul’s comments on 9/11 do you find sick and disgusting? Do you mean the fact that he ascribes their motives to blowback (a term coined by the CIA) for our foreign policy? If so, you must think the 9/11 Commission Report is a sick and disgusting thing, too. During the last election, when Michael Scheurer, the former head of the bin Laden unit of the CIA, was asked which candidate understands the Middle East best, he replied that there was only one candidate who understood the Middle East at all: Ron Paul. Do you find him sick and disgusting, too? If the truth is a sick and disgusting thing to you, then so be it.
- Jaynie59
You don’t know what conservatism is or who is a real conservative.
Ron Paul is not a conservative. He’s an America hating Libertarian. Which is redundant.
- RefudiateObama2012
Tweet from @Sheya: Inside source: Foxnews deliberately out to sabotage Palin. It’s going to get ugly. I’ll have more on this tomorrow.
Go to @Sheya’s tweet feed and retweet.
- grabacr
We need to find a way to control the god damned Rinos in the republican party. We need at the very least the chance to get a real republican in the WH.And we also need to put an end to this whole “Northeastern country club republicanism” BS once and for all…we already have a democratic party and that’s where that lot belongs…how about “exporting” some “conservatives” to the dark side of the force for a change…
- steviedarascal
It’s not so much we need to control them, as we need to identify them and remove them from office. Once they are out we need to make sure they never get the chance to hold any office again.
- Carolyn
I sure wish he’d run for president. More realistically though, I hope some of the so called conservatives listen to him.
- Annie
My sentiments exactly….only I never state them as well.
- Debby
Welcome back Mark———-I’m sure I speak for all when I say that you were missed.
Great segment!
- voted against carter
BINGO!! TEN out of TEN!!!! I love it!!
Back from a week off the air, Levin is hot tonight about so-called conservatives bashing our conservative candidates running for President, namely Palin, Bachmann and Cain. He says conservatives always must be made to look stupid, unqualified for the presidency, even in our own ranks and he’s had enough of it:
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I was hoping he would talk about Herman Cain, thankfully he did
.I think we have a fine field of candidates myself.
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