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I guess we are all missing a couple of BIG points here, that will identify both men's positions.
1) Yes, Jeb wants an inclusive hispanic vote, and a reasonable border immigration policy. But it is for big business. the Immokolee farmers would have loved Jeb!'s concern for them when he was Governor of Florida! That didnt happen.
2) Jeb and Levin arent adressing the big concern, and that is WHY Mexico, cant provide jobs with the oligopoly government in place? Our gas and oil interests have drained the financial resources of the country. The biggest holiday in Mexico is when they kicked our oil companies out!
3) We did not hear Jeb's concern when he or his Bondi, Scott and Putnam Florida GOP's had to go through the "political eye of the GOP needle." The Florida AG, Governor and Agriculture consumer guys miled the "white" vote. Fear was the primary motivator in elections.
We applaud Levin for doing what no other Republican will do, that is to say to former GOP's "Dont talk from both sides of your mouth."
The PROBLEM with the Bush Clan, is they are RINO's.
Alway's have been, and always WILL be.
Barbra Bush is a PERFECT example of what I am talking about.
Do a "background" check at ancestry.com to understand why I say this.
Who is RELATED to WHO?
The Bush Clan belongs to the PROGRESSIVE wing of the Republican Party.
NOT A good thing. We NEED to PURGE the PROGRESSIVE wing of the Republican Party OUT of the Republican Party.
This Should be one of the MAIN GOAL's of the TEA Party movement.
If someone is a staunch conservative, they're welcome in the Republican party. If they're a RINO, then PLEASE, re-register as a demoncrap and stay the hell away from us.
The above applies equally to all races and ethnicities.
While I'm no fan of Barton as a historian,I do appreciate his efforts to preserve original documents and that he makes them available for others to study. Mansfield seems to me at least to be more a political philosopher than a historian, maybe a historian of political philosophy would be more accurate. I have a passing familiarity with Zinn,only because I tend to consult multiple sources when I'm looking into something. Although to me Zinn seems to have gone down many of the same "roads" as Barton, in other words starting with a conclusion and working backwards to try and substantiate their point, ignoring anything that contradicts their previously formulated conclusion. But thanks for answering.
Precisely, dmk, thank you. There needs to be an alteration of the dialog that isn't sowing the kind of abrasivness that causes Latinos and other minority groups to be on the defensive. That being said, I dont have an issue with calling illegal immigrants illegal immigrants. And if there is to be some sort of "path" to citizenship created, it is done AFTER we increase security at the border and increase penalties to businesses hiring illegal immigrants.
My father came here legally, carried his green card, and when he was ready, he applied for citizenship...he followed the process. I expect those who come here from any country to do the same.
Oh, I have many family members who are Americans that happen to be of Hispanic origin and they all feel the same...come here legally and follow the process. The process.
jeb say that we should not use language that create a division, us vs them, but you're doing exactly that. We must pander to latinos, which means we those who aren't latinos get ignored
I'm sorry but Levin is way off here. Jeb's point was about Republicans specifically targeting Hispanics and Latinos such as myself for engagement and dialog and spreading the conservative message through a specific prism in which Latinos can listen to. It's not about cataloging race and ethnicity in the same mold as leftists do, its about acknowledging the fact that Latinos, Blacks, Asians, etc. are all consumers of information, and yes, they all have different tastes and preferences in how that information is received.
I found the WSJ Interview with Jeb Bush to be far more informative and indicative of what Jeb is trying to emphasize than Levin's kneejerk reaction.
You're missing Levin's point. People should not treat you as a Latino but as an American. The conservative philosophy reaches out way beyond our ethnicity. It is equally applicable to everyone in our country.
By dividing people into ethnic groups, you in turn focus on their differences instead of uniting people with a common cause.
More over, as conservatives, we are not about promoting the Latino culture, or the Asian culture - or ANY ethnic culture. We are about assimilation into one culture and language.
We understand and recognize that a country is made of borders, language and culture. While diversity is good, if assimilation of language and culture doesn't exist, it tears apart the fabric of society and the nation spreading disharmony instead of unity.
You are absolutely right Sam. Mr. Levin ALWAYS has a knee jerk reaction. Those who are true conservatives would not endorse a policy that does not recognize flaws that in this case specifically alienates those from Latino cultures. As a country we have struggled with this for decades. When is this kind of closet racism going to end Mr. Levin? Let's talk about conservative economic policies Mr. Levin, like the free market system. If human beings are leaving their countries of origin to find a better way of life, then why aren't we changing our immigration policy to reflect the clear needs of business and the clear need for those who want the jobs that are available(read, ag jobs, hotel industry jobs, landscape maintenance jobs, home care jobs and many others that Americans won't do). If there were not jobs available, then we would not have these problems. The fact Mr. Levin is that this is about race, and it always has been for every group that has ever been the target of racism by our government including the Chinese, the Irish, the Italians, the Jews and of course the Muslims and the Latinos today. Not recognizing that is the same as walking around with blinders Mr. Levin.
Pat B., I humbly and respectfully (no snark or sarcasm!), but strenuously, disagree with this:
"ag jobs, hotel industry jobs, landscape maintenance jobs, home care jobs and many others that Americans won't do"
There is NO job that Americans "won't do"!
There ARE jobs that Americans will gladly do -- when they are paid at free-market-level wages that aren't artificially depressed when ILLEGAL foreign workers will deeply under-cut those wages, knowing that they cannot demand and earn the higher wages that would prevail if not for the ILLEGALs' presence.
An illegal worker knows he can't fight back, as he'll be arrested and deported the moment he does so. This not only artificially lowers the wages of many jobs, it also drags down working conditions that affect not just the illegals, but also those in which American citizens must work as well.
The ability of employers to exploit these vulnerabilities means the willing -- eager! -- American citizens cannot receive the wages that many jobs are really worth, when such jobs are offered in an honest, open, free-market setting in which only American citizens are competing for them.
It's both factually incorrect and deeply insulting to hear anyone talking about "jobs Americans won't do" -- sounds almost "elitist" to me!
Am I really alone in this here?
I agree with you and I thought the same thing-I think Levin misunderstood what JB was saying. I like Levin but as with all radio and tv pundits you do have to step back and try to weigh what is being said and how it is being analyzed. I think he missed this one! In my opinion!
Bush is trying to get his foot back in the door of national politics, he's about as conservitive as George was, atool of the CFR and Fed. Reserve. A blue blood elitest the gop leadership and pundets will rush to support. If elected Pres he would keep boarders open like George & Obama,consolidate coperate power like George & Obama and expand the police state like George & Obama. Then it'll be the Republicans turn to cover for it while the Dems raise hell for a while. Are Americans ever going to see this? Ron Paul 2012
The whole concept of hyphenated Americans is so divisive... We are all in this together, and there can be no special privileges for special interests.
The whole concept of hyphenated Americans is so divisive... We are all in this together, and there can be no special privileges for special interests.
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