Tungsten is wrong...I am not going to keep telling the uninformed 100 times that the liberals are so famous for Rewriting history..... The Second Amend is as stands and it does not mean for a well regulated Militia only... This was clarified by our founding fathers... If the liberals do not want to own a gun then fine do not..But do not try to take my guns from me.
Mark Levin is right and he got to the point. This is WHY the commies in America from the lower levels to the highest most secret levels who run our show and our elected officials want to disarm us. They say, we don't need assault rifles and that we shouldn't own semi-auto rifles and handguns. They say that we should be limited on how many mag's we can have, what type of handle is on our rifle, etc. They believe they know what's best for us. When in fact, liberal anti-American people and scholars on various levels all agree on one thing, they don't like guns and they want to see action from the government to disarm us. People say, well, they're not trying to take your guns you silly Republican's but here is the deal, a great deal of us are NOT Republican's or Democrat's or Libertarian's and that is because we see the divisions that have come from these parties and we truly believe in our Constitutional rights and liberties that our Founding Father's fought hard to achieve for us. There are others who believe in our freedoms and liberties who are Republican's and Libertarian's, sure, and that's good. I'm sure a few liberal's admit to this too, just maybe not out loud. But.... the 2nd Amendment is feared and loathed by our government and the hands that run our puppet government. They KNOW that we can gather together and overthrow a government that get's tyrannical. In fact, we are already partially there. Our nation has become more totalitarian and very rapidly since Clinton was in office and left. The work to make this happen was laid down decades ago before most of us were born on here. Now we witness the devastation from these men who have created these peril-less times and as patriotic American's, we must eventually stand up and overthrow the tyranny that will consume us as the Nazi's did to their country.
Horseshit. Read the amendment:"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." It was designed to provide a constabulary in a country that, at the time, was largely un-policed. Also, in the late 18th century the United States, like every other country on the planet, had no standing army. An armed populace meant "A well regulated Militia", and was necessary for these reasons. Over two hundred years later the 2nd amendment is more dangerous than useless. It is maintained and disfigured to continue a lucrative revenue stream to an amoral corporate firearms cartel. The mythology that it was designed to somehow prevent tyranny is propagated by paid shills like Levin who haven't the slightest concern about how many persons, even kids, will be murdered by criminals or mentally unstable people who have no difficulty obtaining deadly antipersonnel firearms.
@tungstenTungsten is wrong...I am not going to keep telling the uninformed 100 times that the liberals are so famous for Rewriting history..... The Second Amend is as stands and it does not mean for a well regulated Militia only... This was clarified by our founding fathers... If the liberals do not want to own a gun then fine do not..But do not try to take my guns from me.
You're a tool and a moron for believing in that nonsense. You take bits and pieces of what you want and make it into something it is not. The Constitution and the 2nd Amendment specifically have been clarified by the Founding Father's many times over and what it really means. You are WRONG.
our whole corrupt government needs to be cleaned out. all senate and congress need to be voted or removed and that includes that white house. some how some way there has got to be a patriot in that group some where. I pray
by that i mean by mouth no other way (yet)
We have our tyranical government right now lead by Obama Pelosi and Reid with assistance from agencies such as EPA, DOJ, ATF and others. Overthrow is a big word but should not be taken lightly. Something needs to be done and sooner than later.
I don't know how much you commenter know about the 1967 Chinese Social Revolution. If you have no knowledge of this event. I urge you to read about it. In my opinion the liberals have for the last thirty years been working toward the same thing here in the US.
As long as the people are armed it can't happen. The liberals know this. That is why they go after guns rather than the individual. They also know criminals will not turn guns and will help facilitate with their take over.
The members of the military will not obey an illegal order. I don't think they are the ones to fear. The group you need to worry about is the TSA. They have purchased over 1.4 billion rounds of ammo. That is more than the Military currently uses 70 million rounds a year. There are only about fifty-eight thousand people employed by the TSA. That equals over 100,000 rounds per person.
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Mark Levin is an American Patriot whom I respect greatly. (In contrast to the liberal excrement trolling this site as though it adds meaning to their pathetic life.)
Oscumbag is a tyrant.
If things keep going the way they are and no impeachment proceedings called for soooon and very sooooon it may come to a fight. Better to do it through the system as there are legitimate reasons for it now. Somebody needs to get it moving if it's ever going to happen. Our nation is slowly being destroyed in the interim. What's the wait for??????
Finally we have been given a cogent explanation of the purpose for the 2nd Amendment. Hunting and recreational target shooting are fine, but not the main reason. For self defense, guns are important, especially in this lawless society (I know, we have yet to see lawlessness), but the Founders knew that guns are the most valuable tool as a means of overthrowing a tyrannical government. They had just seen that first hand, in defeating the British. Those Founders also knew that our Constitutional Republic would last only as long as the populace was composed of moral and God-fearing citizens. After many decades of liberals whittling away at our freedoms and building bigger government, those good citizens have been reduced to a minority. This is the time for action, and we should not be hesitant to utilize the means presented in the Constitution. Obama has declared war on us, and he will continue to consolidate his position while we debate and talk and compromise. We need a leader who can guide the force we have, our military, to take action where it is most needed, here at home.
small technical question - how come whenever I am on this site, the CPU goes NUTS and slows down. On most other sites it does not do that.
Not only were guns meant to protect us from a tyrannical government, but they were also meant help protect our righteous government and country from an invasion by other governments. I have never met a police officer who wanted to disarm the law abiding citizens of our country. They understand that if not directly, we indirectly protect thier lives each time we stop a criminal who is armed and acting like he is from the middle east. We are their backup. Along the same lines, every soldirer who risks his life away from home for freedom, expects to come home to a safer place. It is our patriotic duty to make sure that happens. Standing back and asking someone else to take a bullet for you is the act of a coward, which is what these anti-2nd amendment Constitution hating creatures are. Even a dumb animal has the instinct to protect their own. These left-wing zombies are already dead inside, why are they so afraid? If they don't have enough braincells left to protect themselves, then I have no problem doing it for them, just get the hell out of the way of the unselfish and faithful.
This is the exact truth that most Gun Owners didn't know. When it was written into the constitution, our forefathers had just come out of a long war to protect and defend their right to the freedoms and liberties that we all enjoy, and are under attack today. As scared as you may be to say it out loud, the second amendment was put there to give you the means to "keep a free people free from a tyranical government". With that comes a tremendous responsibility, a responsibility that 99.9% of gun owners in this country have taken seriously. Similarly you could apply statistics to the Alcohol consumers, and motor vehicle drivers. Most of them follow the laws and are responsible drinkers and/or drivers. In each case there is a very very small percentage that choose to drink to excess, drive wrecklessly, or do both together. But for some reason society is not trying to limit cars to 15 horsepower or a top speed of 10 miles per hour, or limit alcohol consumption to one beer per day. The media, with opportunistic politicians in second place, are the primary forces that are trying to crucify gun owners. The question that I ask myself when I am alone in thought is "will I be able to raise my gun against my neighbor, when they come to take it away from me?"
Of course the government did try to outlaw alcohol, and only succeeded in creating a huge black market, and empowering formidable crime syndicates. If they try it with guns, I can see this ramping up to a crisis very rapidly.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." - Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria, Criminologist in 1764. That was 230 years ago. -Thomas Jefferson
"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -Thomas Jefferson
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.-Thomas Jefferson
Mark's answer is correct. The 2nd amend, at the time, was rational with perhaps only a couple of million inhabitants in the US. And a gun today may be needed in the home to
protect against intruders & or hostile personal enemies.
But today with over 330 million people in the US, things have changed. Our enemy is us.
Even should our government become tyrannical, we would stand no earthly chance to offer resistance. With the ARMED FORCES, NATIONAL GUARD, NSA, CIA, FBI, HOMELAND
SECURITY, FEMA, SWAT TEAMS, AND FOREIGN MERCENARIES, duty bound to follow the Commander in Chief's orders, the Citizen Militias, any organized resistance, and local neighborhood armed groups, would be utterly destroyed or incarcerated in concentration camps. So if you need a hand gun, rifle, or shotgun in the home, or concealed in public, doubt you require a semi-automatic weapon with large capacity magazines, unless you foolishly believe you will be able to confront the above listed forces, or that you have a death wish.
At the time of the American Revolution the thirteen colonies were a group of unorganized farmers and merchants with no means to defend themselves other than a musket that hung over the fireplace. We were pushed to the point of armed revolution against the most powerful nation in the world. And through much hardship, and with the sympathy of other nations, we eventually won our independence. Do not make the mistake of forgetting that many of those in the aforementioned "Armed Forces, National Guard, NSA, CIA, FBI, etc.", are true American Patriots at heart. When they perceive that the country they are sworn to defend, has been poisoned from within, they will each search their hearts and ultimately choose a side. They too can only be pushed so far before they realize that this nation, "of the people, by the people, and for the people" has had enough of an unresponsive and seemingly uncaring government. Elected officials in this country at every level of government have long since forgotten that they are 'servants of the people', not 'Gods from the Heavens'.
True! The 2nd Amendment is to protect WE THE PEOPLE from a tyrannical, oppressive Government. That being said- EVERYONE who reads this post either join or start a Militia, arm EVERYONE in the Militia, get plenty of ammo and prepare for the 2nd American Revolution! The best way to end this before it starts- have your armed Militia, have ALL of the armed Militias across the USA go to the WH. WE THE PEOPLE need at least 2000 armed people show up at the WH, knock on the door & ask Mrs. O- "Can little Barrack come out & play?" That ought to get his attention!!!
It's worse today than in the days of King Geo, and he was overthrown. And we do and are doing nothing about the tyranny. Tyranny of the EPA, TSA, and name any other you wish. So just how bad does it have to get before action is taken to relieve Patriots of the burden of the Federal Gov't? AKA the Federal "Bully" Gov't? Don't Bullies scare, intimidate, run rude, run over, etc? Congress is a Bully! SCOTUS is a Bully! The whole of the gov't is a Bully organization. No longer it answer to "WE the people", but WE to the Politician. Who but the politician gets a lifetime retirement for a few yrs work? Exempt from insider trading and the laws they vote "present" on. They will be hung around around our necks until they are just hung from a
True! The 2nd Amendment is to protect WE THE PEOPLE from an oppressive, tyrannical Government, that being said- EVERYONE who reads this post- Join or form a Militia, arm up EVERYONE & prepare for the 2nd American Revolution!!!
It seems that everyone here is upset and radical. When will you realize that Obama is one of the smartest people in the world. He will bring world peace and love to everyone. Think about it. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Biden, Frank, Boxer are all super smart. when Madonna, Clooney, JZ, Wayans, Cher and so many others say it is OK to even pray to Obama for help and maybe he is the messiah. Please give this wonderful man a chance. he will have Muzlim, Jew, Hindu and so on eating together in love. Homo's will be appreciated for what they bring, births will be tightly controlled so the anti-abortion crowd cannot force their agenda on us. Peace people, peace will reign. Give up your silly guns for peace and love.
I did not catch this on your show Mark, but thanks for sharing. This is exactly what our right to bear arms is about, and has nothing to do with hunting or sports or day to day self defense. I think our government has forgotten that WE THE PEOPLE are the true boss. They work for us, not the other way around.
Little off topic, but the proceedings, using all the info: Benghazi, false social security number, etc need to be started before the inauguration. All the people need to put efforts together to do this.
A revolution has already been declared upon the USA by the commander in chief. He said he wanted to fundamentally transform America, that sounds like revolutionary attack to me. The theft of your money through excessive taxation. The staggering amount of prohibitive regulations on any and everything (six thousand regulations written in one month). The loss of freedoms that we have suffered is tyranny, you can't get on a plane without the government illegally searching you. Go for a cruise, and as you approach the government agents you see a sign (NO WEAPONS BEYOND THIS POINT) and get searched for weapons only to board the ship and receive knives at your dinner table. You can't even get on board the ship with a metal spoon, as it will be confiscated. This is all about people control. They need us to be good little sheople. Soon we won't be allowed to even speak about what is happening. How can disent be allowed? Sheople control.
Another reminder: In WWII, after Pearl Harbor, the Japanese Army actually wanted to invade the US. Our armed forces were so weak at the time (in 1936 or so the US Army was ranked something like 19 among the world's armies) that they thought the could land on the West Coast and take everything west of the Mississippi. Admiral Yamamoto (the archtiect of Pearl Harbor) who had gone to college in the US warned against it saying that "if you invade America you will find a rifle behind every blade of grass". They decided not to invade.
The second amendment is man's attempt at paraphrasing a law of nature. Every living creature down to the most helpless will fight to defend it's life. Even a baby in it's first trimester will fight to escape the forceps in the hand of an abortionist trying to tear it apart. Self defence is an integral part of being alive. For those who are intent on depriving me or mine of the tools of defence there are only two possible results of that attempt, either you are dead or I am dead. Can you grok that?
Mr. Levin is correct as usual. I'm pissed at him because I think he should be out here educating the masses on our Constitution. No one knows it better, especially that Moron Obama. When one thinks about it, one can come to the conclusion that the term "Progressive Liberal" makes our point about the Constitution. The forefathers had the vision and the wisdom to place the 2nd amendment in the constitution because they foresaw a movement like we have in this nation at present. They saw what had happened with every form of government, democratic or not, which came before them. They studied history and knew that history always seemed to repeat it self. They understood mans repeated quest for utopia through the ages. And they understood the ruling classes desire to expunge God from the peoples minds in history, whether it was kingships or councils. They knew the attraction of power in government and made it possible for the people to have a path to correct this. We need to get back to this point and get there soon, very soon.
Does anyone know how many veterans ages 22-60 live in America? Must be in the millions, and far more than the government could muster on all levels.
Right on, Mark. The right to keep and bear arms was referring to the latest military weapons and the Government has no right to tell me what gun I may wish to pocess or how many rounds it may hold. There will always be nuts who will misuse technolgy and twist the truth to fit their agenda, therefore, being alert to the threat is essental!!
When a politician opens their mouth measure the words against constitutional limits. Free speech is for American citizens. Public servants speaking out against constitutional limits while on the job should be a road to sudden unemployment.
“The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed – where the government refuses to
stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these
contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a MISTAKE a FREE people get to make only ONCE.” -- Judge Alex Kozinski 2009
Firstly, yes, if a person wants to go on a murderous rampage, guns can make that endeavor more expedient — but it’s a two-way street. Guns also make defense more expedient. People use guns defensively more frequently than they do to commit crimes, and oftentimes nonviolently so — just letting an intruder or attacker see that you have a gun can be enough.
Secondly, if you ever try to tell me that the United States government could NEVER be capable of nefarious acts of deceit or violence, just because ‘this is America’ and we’re in
‘modern times’ and ‘that could never happen’ or whatever lame reasoning you can think up for not possessing the means to fight tyranny — I will literally laugh in your face. Those are the notions of a spoiled, passive ignoramus who can’t be roused to the reality that liberty REQUIRES CONSTANT vigilance.
Thank you, most of what I post is from my studies of the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence and the Federalist papers. After serving in the US Army for 24 years I developed a desire to better understand these documents that are the bedrock of out nation.
Scoop enjoys more popularity, on almost a daily basis. Every time I check in, I find four or five new members I never saw before. Steven Newman is one.
Most of these new people are golden. Because they finally found a place to discuss the issues we all face, in a friendly, and supportive environment. An environment free of the profanity and personal attacks, that exist on other sites.
When you come to this site, we want you to bring your thoughts and ideas. We want you to leave all the other garbage behind.
If you don't, then you will face K-Bob, and Ken in Montana, and the most dangerous of all, AmericanborninCanada.
All kidding aside, this is a great site for discussion, and I think I speak for Scoop, when I say,"Welcome," to all the new members.
Each new member brings new intelligence, and a history of experience, that injects new energy into The Right Scoop.
It is a smoothly running machine, and it works.
It is time for the Republican Governors to call up the National Guard in their State to unite with the armed American people to remove the Marxists Democrats who are attacking the United States Constitution. Barack Obama is being led by Andy L. Stern (SEIU), a devout Marxist, who hates the U.S. Constitution and said publicly that beginning on 1 January 2014 HR3590 ObamaHealthCare legally makes him dictator of the United States (Kathleen Sebelius, HHS Secretary is Andy Stern's assistant) with the authority to kill any American citizen who disobeys him.
HR3590 ObamaHealthCare overturns Marbury v. Madison thereby nullifying the authority of the Supreme Court (search HR3590 for "judicial review" to see the proof written into 13 Sections). Andy Stern is raising, training, and arming his 3,000,000 man army to enforce his Marxist tyranny dictatorship over the American People beginning Jan 2014.
The time to stop them is NOW!
Bravo Mark, SIMPLE: In the original true non-violent, clean-it-up better then you found-it TEA PARTY Sprite. The best way is not to take-up arms, but to use there own liberal tactics against them. All gun owners, Tea Party Patriot’s and all USA freedom lovers go on strike, don't go to work until they comply with the original constitution that they all took an oath to serve us, to protect our rights, to defend our Constitution. Choke off the head of the beast's money.
Please also keep in mind the first four words in the Second Amendment are: "A well regulated Militia". The Militia is not the National Guard, the National Guard didn't exist until 150 years after this Amendemnt was ratified. According to our forefathers, any able bodied man (and in today's culture, women are included in that). A Militia is also a military unit that was intended to see combat should the need arise. Therefore military capable arms are the most protected of all "Arms"!!!! The banning of semiautomatic AR-15 and AK-47 type arms is therefore expressly forbidden by the Second Amendment. In fact the case can, and probably should be made that select-fire arms are perfectly constitutional, and were in fact legal to purchase over the counter until 1934.
I read something of interest yesterday. We should repeal the 17th Amendment of the US Constitution. This would return the appointments and election of all Senators back to the individual states in accord with Article 1 Section 3 of the US Constitution. Woodrow Wilson (D) US President in 1912 authored the 17th Amendment in 1913 along with the 16th Amendment on the Personal Income Tax. Repealing the 17th Amendment will put the power of the US Congress back to the states where it belongs and the 10th Amendment on Nullification will gain some strength along with the power of the people. Wilson knew what he was doing in trying to construct a big central government and weaken the power of the states and people. It took 100 years folks and Wilson was successful. Now the 2nd Amendment is in the way of the progressives and the threat of the government to take away our defenses is at hand. Without the 17th Amendment none of this would have been possible. We must repeal the 17th Amendment of the US Constitution.
"Secrecy is the keystone of all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy ... censorship. When ANY government, or ANY church, for that matter, undertakes to say to it's subjects, 'This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know,' the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how good the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, NO amount of force can control a FREE man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything. You CANNOT conquer a FREE man; the most you can do is KILL him." -- Robert A. Heinlein
Our Founding Fathers were proud that Americans were trusted with arms because they knew that only when people are armed could they truly be thought of as free citizens. And that's where the circle closes. Those who want to DEPRIVE YOU OF YOUR RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS ARE INTENDING TO DEPRIVE YOU OF YOUR FREEDOM, period. Like the criminals their policies encourage, these elitists know that it is always best to disarm victims BEFORE you enslave them. -- Charley Reese
“Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms. This is not to say that firearms should not be very carefully used, and that definite safety rules of precaution should not be taught and enforced. But the right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against tyranny which now appears remote in America , but which historically has proved to be always possible.” ~ Senator Hubert H. Humphrey, in “Know Your Lawmakers,” Guns magazine, Feb. 1960, p. 4.
Thank you for that great quote! And HHH was a MN Democrat!
Edit: This will come in very handy when MN makes a move to restrict the 2nd Amendment.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to PERISH than to live as slaves." ~ Winston Churchill