I'm catching up on things and just finished listening to this awesome discussion. A belated thank you RS for putting this up. This interview is so rich with gameplay strategies for conservatives along with tons of other information. I'm going to have to listen again to glean all that's in there.
I was reading some reviews about the new movie "Lincoln", and I was shocked by some of he reviews already written, mostly negative. But,the reviews that were posted have given me a insight to our problem as conservatives and WHY we are losing elections. This is what I posted-
Lincoln was the 1st Republican President. He was NOT a Liberal in the modern sense. He took the Constitution literally.
The Constitution was written by flawed men (they knew their flaws) and was written as an aspirational document to guide our elected officials into the future. The keyword is "aspirational", they wanted ALL people to be given an equal chance. Lincoln helped make this aspiration come to fruition. Although ANY law does not instantly change minds or actions (on any subject), it gives reasonable people pause and reflection as to why they are needed (for future generations).
I urge all Americans to actually read the Constitution and the Declaration of Ind. If you are reasonable, you will be convinced that every idea from the birth of our great Country were things to make a "more" perfect union and a "more" perfect society. Yes, we are still flawed but still the nearest to a "more" perfect Country. God bless you. end post.
We need to urge EVERYONE to read our founding documents, the answer to our Country's problems are in those words.
In a perfect world, Mark Levin would be President of the United States, and B. Hussein Obama would be back street agitating in Chicago.
Win the culture and you win the election. Convince young people and the rest of the country that conservatism is the way to go and you will beginning winning elections. We are doing it on the state level with some really good House and Senate members (like Marco Rubio and Rand Paul), now we need to convince the rest of the country why conservatism is a winning idea on the presidential level.
I am not generally a Levin fan. This has been due to his irrational attacks on the fringe elements of the conservative movement. What I saw in this interview is that he was inclusive concerning the Libertarians and the like.
I was also struck by his rejection of the republican party, in general, as being a legitimate entity at this point in time. He is right that, as a party, the republicans are pretty much liberals, and completely ineffective in countering the left agenda. This equates to them being a part of the left agenda, by default.
He eluded to a solution at the state level, but would not comment at this time. It appears that he is altering his opinion on certain things due to the outcome of this election. In this case, he is now considering nullification and succession. Ron Paul has been hit hard by all because of his comments on succession, but those who criticize fail to listen to the message.
The message is that nullification and succession are legitimate tools for putting pressure on the federal government, or simply nullifying unconstitutional actions from the feds.The United States succeeded from British rule. Just as that was legitimate, so is succession by the states when the federal government becomes tyrannical.
This guy actually has a good message for those signing succession petitions, and comments on succession itself as a legitimate tool.
Interestingly enough, Alex Jones has begun a rallying cry to patriots to gather and begin moving on an agenda of nullification and succession. He is calling for RP to lead it, but has been contacting many groups to get involved in getting the ball rolling. The establishment will attack any such movement, and from both sides of the political spectrum. Levin mentioned that he wants to put it all together before the attacks begin. Makes sense, but what I am interested to know is whether or not Levin will actually support the constitutional and Libertarian groups that are already doing it. This will be something to look for. It is possible in this world of deception that the establishment will co-opt the movement just to reduce its effectiveness. Will Levin be on the establishment side of things, or will he support the true grass roots. We will see.
All in all, it was a good interview.
Mark is so right; we must fight the Republican party and the establishment therein. We have to rid ourselves of the RINOS.
For young people who like to rebel against authority, they should consider rebelling against the whole system of education by being a conservative. Its the conservatives that are the real rebels. Think of it like it was in school for a conservative constantly at odds with peers and teachers who supported the anti-VN war movement. Now who in that case were the real rebels? It wasn't the crowd followers. Why be a robot when you can be a rebel WITH a cause? Screw the borg. Break free and join the free thinkers.
Most of my family is conservative, but they are RINOs who buy into Fox News conservatism. (and not the Judge Nepalitano type) The older republicans (in general) are stuck in their ways, and don't seem to get out of the big government mindset. Revolutions are not generally fought by the older generation. Any conservative political revolution succeeding will require that young people play an intricate part.
Today's young conservatives are mostly on the Ron Paul side of conservatism. The GOP and media vigorously rejected the RP people, and it hurt in the end. They utterly failed to bring them in to the fold with Romney as their pick for the GOP nominee. The GOP is going to have to start hitting the important issues for anyone new to buy into their party anymore.
It took RP thirty years to get people interested in issues like the Fed Res, and non-interventionism. The GOP is still ignoring them, and therefor will not succeed in growing the youth portion of the party.
The same old agenda that doesn't work will not get anyone excited about the republican party.
I've spoken to a lot young guns, some of whom went to combat and they all reject RP.
So your arguement doesn't hold water. They love Allen West.
Revolutions aren't normally led by the old? Oh you mean like ours? GW was no sping chicken when he led the Army. Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin were all well-seasoned adults.Go back and look at the picture of the signing of the Declaration of Independence, match up the face with the man and his age...and your theory dies.
By the way, who was the last "old" conservative that galvanized the Republican and Democratic young people? It sure wasn't RP. It was RR.
The old guard Repubicans need to step aside for the Tea Partiers like Allen West. All the party needs is real leadership from the House, Senate and a candidate who can articulate our values and someone who will relentlessly attack people like Dookie Punahoe in the debates.
Otherwise, a third party solution or outright succession will be necessary.
Lastly, we cannot jump off the world stage because RP has a retarded view of geopolitics either. The existential threat to this country remains a nuclear Iran and the world-wide jihad against us. That threat cannot be met by shrinking like a violet, picking up our marbles and going home.
Defense is or was 20% of GDP while entiltlement spending was approaching 60%. And I'm correct on the Patriot Act. Making excuses to do away with the tools necessary to defeat the jihad or cut defense is patheticly inane.
The Tea Party far exceeds Rhue Paul and thensome. This party doesn't need RP and his pathetic excuse makers and 9-11 truthers.
And I'm a little tired of RP-types using terms like "Constitutional" when they haven't clue what it means.
Sell your Rhue Paul arguements and excuses to someone else. I'm not interested. And neither is any other Republican, young or old that I know of.
So save your keystrokes and move on.
The defense budget is 24% of all federal spending. Health care and pensions are both close with 22% each. We are spending $3.7T per year. Defense is $902B of that.
We have a deficit of $1.4T, yet somehow we are going into debt about $2T per year. (government accounting)
How do we cut $2T per year without cutting spending on foreign wars, bases, etc.? As our currency is devalued, inflation alone will force budgets to increase. Much of our debt increase is due to military and foreign policy expenses, as well as the rest.
Do we drastically cut the 22% that is spent on health care for the elderly, etc., or do we drasticaly cut the 22% spent on pensions?
We know that no politician or party is going to get away with massive cuts to pensions and federal health care.
Homeland Security is now the biggest federal agency that has ever existed. The Patriot Act is being used to compile massive databases on American communications, and many "lists" are coming from this apparatus. The lists are being used to target Americans and label them as terrorists. These lists include people who are anti-abortion, constitutionalists, end the Fed people, etc. The MIAC report is proof enough of that.
The FBI has been caught abusing the Patriot Act, and the NSA is simply immune from investigation on these issues. Who knows what the CIA is doing, but they have been caught dealing with domestic issues, which they have no jurisdiction over.
The Patriot Act is being used by government to invade the privacy of Americans by compiling information that includes bank records and other things, and this does not require a court order. Listening to phone calls does require a court order, but that is not the only invasion of privacy.
Our constitutional culture, and our fiscal conditions are rapidly deteriorating,and if we don't figure something out soon, it will be too late.
All I am trying to say is that the more rigid we are on our positions, the less likely it will be that we actually gain any ground against the selling out of our liberties and sovereignty.
At the pace that Tea Party members are gaining positions, we will be done for before they actually get enough numbers to make a difference. The Tea Party cannot be the only ones involved in the conservative movement if we want to change things in time to save the country.
I don't care who makes it happen, it just needs to happen soon.
"I understand what you are saying about th world stage, but I wonder how we are going to be able to continue it financially. If we decline to a certain point, what will happen to our military? My concern is that they will be handed over to a global conglomerate of nations that do not represent the will of the American people."
In the first place the UN is already trying to dominate every country including the US. In the second place the defense budget is a very small portion of the total US budget when compared to entitlements.
And this bogus financial argument is just that: bogus. Its an excuse to pull out of the effort against the global jihad.
"I am not sure that candidates who support things like the Patriot Act"
Really, well maybe if they knew what it is, they might change their minds. The act was enacted to track the phone calls of jihadis calling their supporters in the US. Oh and before that law can be used, the subpoena has to go through a judge and a special board. RP and his minions have painted a false narrative on the Patriot Act.
Oh and the Tea Party is as active as ever. Tea Party winners include Rand Paul. Allen West. Michelle Bachman, Ted Cruz, and some others. We also supported Mr Scott and Mia Love.
The Tea Party is what won the Congress back and damn near won back the Senate.
They are anything but divided. Its the Rhue Paul people who continue to drive a wedge through the party. My view is why don't all the RP people just get the frig out and form their own party.
Oh and before Conservatives decide to meet around the water cooler, I suggest reading the Constitution first, studying US History second and ignoring nutters like RP, and all RINOs.
Otherwise Conservatives...the real ones not the fake kind,... (God, guns, smaller government...strong military...anti-infanticide..etc.) will do what Dems did in the 60's and 70's, which is to leave the Party all together. Then the RP types and the RINOs can have a ball together.
Just to be fair, I did say that revolutions are not normally "fought by", and you changed it to "led by", but I do agree that a small element of an older generation tend to lead revolutions. (at least conservative liberty focuses ones)
I understand what you are saying about th world stage, but I wonder how we are going to be able to continue it financially. If we decline to a certain point, what will happen to our military? My concern is that they will be handed over to a global conglomerate of nations that do not represent the will of the American people.
I am not sure that candidates who support things like the Patriot Act and the NDAA 2012 will be able to attract the young people. It seems to me like the youth vote (18 to 29) are hungry for more liberty, and don't care much about the geopolitics of the world as it pertains to multiple wars being fought without any particular end in sight.
It is a problem for the republican party that they are going to have to figure out, or face even bigger losses. Obama continuing the foreign interventionism is just not something that the republican party can continue to support and still bring in new blood.
The RP people took over the GOP party in Nevada, and made huge gains in other states. I say this to point out that they are getting the job done at the local level. They are showing up and doing the work, and they consider it a political revolution. The Tea Party has not made the kind of gains that are needed to change the direction of the republican party, or to bring in new blood.
The establishment has to be infiltrated at the state and local level, then work its way up the ladder. So far the Tea Party has mainly made gains at the national level, and have not threatened the establishment. The RP people forced the establishment to break the rules and act like tyrants to battle their growing influence. When the RNC has to create an entirely new GOP for the state of Nevada to get rid of duly elected RP delegates who took control of the GOP in Nevada, you know that they are actually threatening. The Tea Party outside of the RP movement haven't done this, and it is largely due to being unorganized, and having a lack of cohesion in their goals.
The Tea Party was intentionally split into several factions, just for this purpose. They were infiltrated and co-opted by the establishment. This is quite evident when you consider what people like Rubio and other "Tea Partiers" have done.
I think that it is time for all conservatives to meet around the constitutional water cooler and figure out what brings them together, and regardless of their differences. If we remain split, then Obama will have free reign, and the GOP establishment will sit by and let them roll over us.
I think you are climbing way out on a limb with this statement: "Today's young conservatives are mostly on the Ron Paul side of conservatism."
RP attracted a lot of young people whose main concern was the legalization of drugs. If you factor them out, you are still left with some very unconservative folks (I won't bother to go into why, we've beaten that to death).
The arguments you (in particular) make in Paul's favor are mostly just talking points to a lot of the RP faction. From what I've seen, not very many seem to understand them like you do, or articulate them with any depth of knowledge. We have a few other regulars and irregulars who qualify on that score, too, but not very many RP folks have managed to do anything but get banned.
I suppose that I can only work off of my own experience with the young crowd. Many of the young Libertarians appear to be socially liberal, but much of the time it is just a reflection of their belief in non-interventionism, and not their desire for society to be a bunch of pot heads. Though there are those.
The important thing is that they all support staunch conservatism from a constitutional perspective. We need more of that.
I think that the wrong attitude comes from the youth factor, and today's youth are much worse thant prior generations.
Brutally honest, no party line sound bites, logical assessments, longterm solutions, aTue American, Move over Riense Priebus. Sure I'd like o see Mark in higher levels of authority but RNC chair is the most attainable. For now. No?
...I am afraid to say , one day it will have to be the PITCH FORKS and TORCHES marching on WASHINGTON D.C. . I pray to G-D it never comes to this but the way things are transpiring it looks like it will be INEVITABLE !"
I am afraid that we will eventually end up seeing assassinations from grass roots, rather than the CIA and FBI. When this happens, government will lock us down and bring in the military to control us. They are already training for it, so it doesn't look good.
I think that we had it won. There is no way that Obama won that handily in a legitimate election.
I have heard some people talking about how he could get a third term. If things get bad enough, that might/could happen. My biggest concern is how he is reducing our nuclear capability while Russia is building theirs up. I believe that Obama would not give the order to fight back.
I thought one reason we'd have a great victory this year was because of Democrat overreach. Evidently, the message isn't sinking in. It's going to take some serious pain for these idiot leftists to be removed from power.
I hate to admit it, but I am somewhat excited about Obama pushing the envelope toward tyranny. If he doesn't do it quickly, then we will likely just slowly boil in the pot until we are cooked. I really hope that some of the states get something real going. Oregon is almost a lost cause.
And of course, "the stupid party" will tell us that this is merely overblown speculation. It can't happen here.
If the states don't toughen up, it WILL happen here.
I've been trying to figure out what Obama's move is going to be on the gun situation. I know that he will do something. Since 2/3 of the senate has to approve a treaty, I'm not sure that is likely. Will he just use executive order to have the BATF execute illegal actions against gun shops, or what?
I have heard other stories about the federal prisons gearing up for riot type stuff, beyond what is considered normal. It seems likely that the Homeland Security mechanisms are being turned back on the citizens.
A lady called into Beck's show yesterday (or was it Pat & Stu? I forget) and told them that she was majoring in disaster preparedness or something similar. She said her classes have all changed focus from a few years ago, from terrorism and jihad to "domestic uprising" type stuff.
Sounds like they are programming the Homeland Security pipeline of hirees to believe they will have to put down the "violent conservatives."
There's a reason we have to put our names on a list when we buy guns.
Can Levin ever give Beck credit? He just says "others" on his radio program but BECK has LED on economy/Obama/Islamists since I started listening to him after the crash in 2008. pet peeve
I've wondered about that myself but I know that Mark is a stickler for attribution which Glenn is not.
I can recall some flaps with Breitbart and criticisms about material that came from Trevor Loudon. If you listen to Levin you will frequently hear a similar angle presented by Glenn the next day. I think that may be part of it; it hasn't lessened my regard for Glenn's contribution or Levin's.
Yes, I think you've nailed it. I think it's mostly about attribution, and while I understand where Mark's coming from, I think it's unfair to dismiss Beck as a back bencher. Beck is very good at connecting the dots. That is his gift. Maybe he could give more credit to some of the people who have expose some of those dots for him, but he definitely has gifts of his own that he brings to the table.
I also know Mark was upset with him a couple years back when Beck was on the fence as to whether he would support the GOP or go third party. At the time, I agreed with Mark that a third party would have been suicidal and I still tend to feel that supporting the GOP this time around (2012) was probably our best shot. We almost won. Things are different now though, and a third party definitely needs to be considered.
You are correct, sir!
Beck pays people to do research, so he might think it was his people that uncovered stuff, when sometimes what they uncover is based on the work by others and goes unattributed. So Beck needs to get much better at that. Attribution needn't be accompanied by a contract and money.
Most of the time, it's just a hard-working blogger who only wants a little respect.
Have you ever heard Beck give Scoop a shout out? I'm seriously not being contentious...I just wonder. Rush and Levin do quite a bit...everyone at Scoop should be proud. I don't know why the two of them don't mention Beck more often...or at all. I would love to know why.
Beck went from leading (or helping to lead) the conservative charge, to flaking out and changing his aim from conservatism to "preparedness" and being a rugged individual, and getting right with God, and honor, and learning more about the founding. Nice aspects of a good, virtuous life, but not much help during the process of choosing a standard bearer to go up against Obama.
He suddenly went from enthusiastically supporting (not endorsing, just talking her up) Sarah Palin, to dismissing Sarah Palin, to talking up Jon Huntsman (who endorsed Obama). This was an abrupt , almost insane turnabout, and ended up stalling Palin's rise in the early polls, because it threw her off track.
He had a perfect chance to get behind a conservative in what I call his big, "rally to nowhere" in DC in 2010. I think he was genuinely scared of his power putting him at the focus, and decided to go waffly, making the rally about "restoring honor" and being apolitical to a fault. It ended up being a bunch of feel-good Americana that blew a huge opportunity to fire up the masses to end the Obama regime. He dropped the ball.
So Beck has much to answer for, regarding his role in messing up the earliest part of the primary process.
Having written all of that, I think Beck's new channel is actually what he wanted to be doing all along, not getting involved in the candidates, just trying his best to dethrone the Democrat/Media complex. Like David Horowitz and the CATO foundation, and other mission-specific efforts, Beck wants to attack our problems at the infrastructure level. I think he's got a great effort underway at his channel, but needs more subscribers to keep it alive. To that end, I still support the guy and I watch his shows when I have time.
If he goes nuts again, though, I'll blast him in print every chance I get.
Mark brought up that Washington will not reform itself; That is how I feel about the GOP establishment elite, the GOP has reached a point that it can't be reformed.
Conservatives need to establish a party where there isn't a struggle between moderate and conservatives.
Convince young people to be "anti-authoritarian" in regard to government?
How in the world is THAT going to help? How will they then view police officers and judges?
I don't think that's a wise move at all.
I see your point, but I think that he is probably referring to the growing police state that is being created, and therefor the loss of our liberties ensues. Government is becoming authoritarian, which is not their proper role, as a whole. Government has authority, but it is very limited, especially where the federal government is concerned.
Unless the fire of liberty is sparked within the hearts of young people, they will become sheep who are vulnerable to the wolves in D.C.
It only takes one generation to lose our liberties.
Those who do not question authority are "ruled". Those who do question authority are a threat to big government.
These young people need to be guided in their anti-authoritarian mindset, and education of the founding principles is a must, otherwise we will just end up with a failed State, and chaos in the streets.
Mark Levin! Mark Levin! Mark Levin! When Mark Levin talks I listen. :-)
Today at the market--- I ran into someone today that said- for the first time ever registered to vote, so she could vote for Romney ( I didnt hammer her on why she didnt vote in 08). When he lost, she said she was devastated because she was really hoping he would help to turn the country around economically. Although she agrees on most Conservative issues, she registered to vote NOW strictly because she was praying he would help open up the markets so her husband and son could find jobs.
We've been friends for about 10 years. Talking about our kids… her cancer- her husband losing his job from a career he had for over 20 years, them losing their house…. They have been married about the same amount of time as I have- close to 30 years. Over the past couple of weeks, her husband has begun to work at Mc Donalds part time. She is working two jobs- at a local coffee place, and her regular job in real estate ( I dont have to tell you how that is going). Life has not been easy for them since 2009.
When I talk to people- and see the extreme pain in their eyes, I can barely contain my anger.
This story brings a concept to mind that I thought would be worth mentioning. When I was a teenager, my great uncle told me "go out and learn a trade". After working in the mill for a few years, and leaving because of Clinton and Gore, I went to trade school and have worked continuously in that trade since then.
I hear about all of these people who have had "professional" jobs, or simply work for large companies with lots of employees, and I think "they are too dependent". By this I mean that they are limited to whatever specific job they were assigned to, and cannot transfer that skill out into the market because the company they worked for had a monopoly on that job in that area. The same goes for mill work around where I live. If the mills are not doing well, you cannot go pull green chain for yourself.
A friend of mine just left a service company, who does the same thing that I do, to start his own business. He is actually doing quite well. Though he will likely not be able to grow his company due to the cost of employees, he will be able to make money with his skill anywhere he goes.
I think that these are the type of people who will survive the hardest of times, as long as money is still circulating. College degrees are not proving to be the way to go anymore.
The last grade that I finished was tenth grade. I have been able to make a comfortable middle class income since I became established in this trade. I see a lot of people buying small pick-ups and trailers full of lawn equipment and making money doing odd jobs and lawn mowing.
Future incomes will be earned by people who have some basic skills that they can market while working for themselves. This country is being shut down, and therefor industry will not be as much of an option. Professional type jobs, such as the financial sector jobs, will simply not be there. Real estate sales depend on the financials doing well, therefor it is part of the financials sector. The new money being created is not being invested in wealth creation anymore, but is rather being spent on propping up the false stock market and derivatives markets.
The key to having any financial security is going to be in having a skill that individuals can market to anyone who does not have the same skill, but has the need. The health care industry will be much less profitable, and eight years of schooling will be too expensive to pay back. Due to this, health care professionals will simply be wards of the State in their jobs, and their jobs will be very unattractive.
On top of all of this, those minimum wage jobs are going to continue to be part time, and the elderly will continue to stay in those jobs, which will continue to create any room for young people entering the jobs market. This will simply add to the growth of the welfare state, and we will see civil unrest become worse and worse. Eventually, we will become a failed State for all intensive purposes.
Those who survive will be those who stay out of debt, learn a skill, and prepare for hard times.
It has been a quarter century since the end of Reagan's reign, Conservatism in the GOP is probably less than 10% now. edit: I'm speaking of GOP Leadership...
I am ready to let the GOP go the way of a snowball in He!L, and start a conservative TEA Party.
The first plank of the party would be; NO TINOs Ever!
Don't call it the tea party, the media and dem party have destroyed the brand. Do what the left does, pick a name that is difficult to label or smear.
Reform party (Tried by Perot in the 90s)
You get the idea.
I don't care what its called as long as its conservative to the core of the message and policy.
Part of the problem is that the Tea Party has already been co-opted by the establishment republicans. Its name has been tarnished, and conservatives failed to root out the liars. Unless conservatives get better RINO radar, it won't matter.
The republican party needs to suffer massive losses due to republican voters abandoning the party. We need to take away their ability to gain power in any way, and force the hand of the liberal republicans to show their true colors.
If the state level republicans rise up and challenge the federal government, then we should consider keeping republicans in the state level positions. We need to let the federal government be totally controlled by Marxists, Communists, and socialists. If we keep pretending that they are something else (including republicans) then we will never get any real push back from the states.
As Levin said, "the solutions are at the state level".
I am starting to see why some conservatives voted for Obama. Making it worse will cause the solution to come to fruition. If it gets worse slowly, nothing will happen.
See "slowly boiling frog".
Maybe it is time to "get it on".
I get your point but it doesn't matter what the name is, 0b0's MSM PAC will attack and try to destroy the name.
WTP We The People