Let's all remember that profiling is NOT a crime. Insofar as race riots, here we go:
There is among many white men an undercurrent of “Bring it on.” This is not confined merely to cops, soldiers, conservatives, Southerners, westerners, the rural and the blue-collar. You can find it, carefully hidden, in federal offices and even among men in newsrooms. The extent of this sentiment is easy to underestimate. Those who share it don’t dare express it, and most journalists live in ideological bubbles.
The key section of theSTAND YOUR GROUND law states:
A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity(Trayvon was not engaged in any unlawful activity) and who is attacked(Zimmerman’s actions were predatory as it was he who stalked and confronted the victim) in any other place where he or she has a right to be(Trayvon had a right to be where he was) has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force(Zimmerman met peace with force), including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another(what death or bodily harm was Zimmerman preventing??? Cavities due to Skittles??? Diabetes from beverage??? What, What!!!?) or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony(Again..what!?)." This STAND YOUR GROUND law doesn’t have a leg to stand on in an honest world. Is Florida terrified that this might taint their reputation??? It should be a crime in itself to insult public intelligence trying to use this law. It simply DOES NOT APPLY to Zimmerman. TRAYVON would have been in his rights to use it, but DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES.
Zimmerman’s actions were totally predatory. Florida has a "stand your ground law". If I see a bear of a man coming at me without a badge, I'd say that law would be more applicable to Trayvon. Trayvon was standing his ground against someone who MOVE INTO HIS GROUND and personal space. Zimmerman was not “Standing” his gorund because he MOVED INTO Trayvon’s ground. His approach was probably rude and intimidating as he was in his “THESE PEOPLE ALWAYS GET AWAY” mode and mindset.
He assaulted Trayvon’s ground.
He got his butt whipped on Trayvon’s ground.
He murdered Trayvon on Trayvon’s ground. PERIOD.
“Accidental discharge” is lame as well when you consider a gun shouldn’t have been drawn to begin with, and this excuse came very late in the game. So did the “lost track of Trayvon” lie. Is it reasonable to believe that the Police don’t want to arrest this man because they may be implicated by having to explain why this gentleman was allowed to carry a gun even after repeated calls to 911 exhibited a pattern of unstable behavior? It’s a little scary to think that it takes the Feds and the Grand-Jury this much time to consider this. Perhaps they’re trying to create evidence to make Trayvon look guilty. They need this much time to come up with a good story because this is so clear cut, they will need a major spin-doctor.
Young man STOOD HIS GROUND against an assailant with gun and no badge because he was trying to find his father's house while raining. Yep, he was up to something. This STAND YOUR GROUND law seems to translate into kill them and stick to your lie. I do not see SELF-DEFENSE on Zimmerman's part. I see SELF-DEFENSE needed against Zimmerman. If the police stand behind this STAND YOUR GROUND crap, then these police should be incarcerated.
I'm not sure how the Police roll in Florida, but in Chicago, citizens are not encouraged to approach anyone they consider to be in the commission of a suspicious act. Thats not to say I consider walking down the street with Skittles and a beverage suspicious.
SELF-DEFENSE as a defense here is gossimer thin. Self-Defense doesn't pan out if you follow some one then get out of your vehicle to approach them. What seems typical of someone who would utter the phrase: "they always get away with this sh**!", if in fact thats what he said, is that Zimmerman saw someone he resented. Moved by his GOD-COMPLEX he confronted the victim, despite being advised NOT to by a 911 representative, and Zimmerman proceeded anyway and in doing so, questioned him/Treyvon. The victim refused, just as you would if a stranger suddenly popped out of nowhere with no badge. Zimmerman, moved by his GOD-COMPLEX, felt enraged that someone he considered to be beneath him, would defy him and not recognize his authority as an officer of the law, as any of us would have, and probably took it to a physical level. A struggle may have ensued as Zimmerman ,may have acted on impulse in his rage, tried to subdue the victim. The smaller gentleman proved a little more to handle. Treyvon recognized this guy as a clear and present danger and shouted out trying to alert someone and Zimmerman proceeded to murder him.
I should note: Zimmerman resented not being recognized as an officer of the law. I and you know he is/was not. IN HIS MIND...he has imparted that delusion upon himself.
Zimmerman was one of those nobody of a loser who was looking for glory and a type of street cred.
Zimmerman was a bad mix of…
b.) a dork looking at the prospect of the support of others who he believes share his racist views and the prospect of their praise and acceptance if he “slays a dragon” or “slays the big bad monster”(so-to-speak)
c.) and ironically a GOD-COMPLEX(that comes with the a gun and a title that would gain him the attention he couldn't get otherwise).
This is what Trayvon was up against.
I can't imagine this young man responding to Zimmerman with anything more than expletives. I mean really: SELF-DEFENSE??? You're walking home with candy and a drink, a stranger pops out of nowhere without a badge??? It would be perfectly natural for Treyvon to fear for his life at this point and go on the defensive. Fight or Flight is the natural response. Florida has a "stand your ground law". If I see a bear of a man coming at me with a gun and no badge, I'd say that law would be more applicable to Treyvon. Zimmerman could have in fact been screaming to further incriminate the youngster. I've seen that before. I'm not proud to say that Chicago has Zimmermans with badges. If Zimmerman had been a police officer, I believe young Treyvon would have conveniently been found with a gun and maybe even drugs. If you find that hard to believe, then I envy you for having such a pretty sunshine filled life. Now if there is any modicum of justice in Florida and the world, this investigation will expand to the community policing group of which he was apart and evaluate the extent of their training, or lack of. If found lacking, then they should face criminal charges as well. Was this community so dangerous that it warranted carrying a gun? If so, the alternative would've been to not patrol alone and carry walkie-talkies ,tasers, pepper spray, etc... But I understand he was a lonewolf who imparted this responsibility upon himself. Gated communities tend to have an element of Xenophobia/paranoia living in their midst anyway. The part that sickens me more than Zimmerman is that there will be a lawyer somewhere and citizens who will zealously defend this dork.
How is it that you can follow and shoot an unarmed man and claim self defense,
Yet, you beat down a complete stranger for following you, questioning you, and probably trying to grab you to make you listen, and thats an assault!!?? The whole story pretty much played itself out with Zimmerman's own exchange with the 911 operator, his anxiety, anxious breathing, and frustration as to "THESE ??? ALWAYS GET AWAY WITH THIS STUFF!" Zimmerman was in total predatory, make-a-name-for-himself mode. He and many blogger commenters insist Trayvon was up to something. He had nothing on him that he could use to rob anyone or break into anything.
Five other thoughts:
1.) Why would he be up to something in his own father’s neighborhood.
2.) When teens in that age group decide to “BE UP TO SOMETHING”, they usually do it in numbers and not alone because they prefer to play into and feed into each others egos –aka- showing off.
3.) Reading all the comments from a myriad of Blogs, the consensus seems to be that Trayvon is guilty because that’s what Black teens do, or he deserved it because the consensus is Trayvon HAD TO BE a typical no-good menace to society and that he’s better off dead. I’m thinking Zimmerman and the writers of these comments(I see you) embrace the same frame of mind that believes Trayvon just MUST be up to something because he’s a Black guy and Zimmerman, who shared your sentiments, was in that zone when he saw a lone young black figure walking alone. If you feel like that, it stands to reason Zimmerman did also. After all, judging by the hatred espoused in the comments in numerous blogs supporting Zimmerman, one would say that Zimmerman likely held the same views as he vocally illustrated in his comment about “these ???oons always get away with this S#!%”.
4.) Also…has anybody paid attention to how quick white people separate themselves from Hispanics? Just a note.
5.) How is it that he felt fear for his life to the point of using deadly force when earlier he had no qualms about disregarding a 911 representative’s advice to disengage? Zimmerman felt he had total control over this kid because he could probably take him one-on-one and if by some chance he can’t, he knew he had a gun. His whole agenda was to intimidate and terrorize. But the situation went South when the citizen whom he tried to terrorize resisted his intimidation. This pissed Zimmerman off as much as my correct reasoning pissses off Zimmerman supporters who would love to shoot me. Zimmerman did not fear for his life. Whats the worst HE could’ve imagined would’ve happened to him in a hand-to-hand struggle with a 17 year old? If he’s that much of a poor fighter, then he shouldn’t be patrolling anywhere, much less, alone and with a gun. Zimmerman didn’t fear for his life…he feared for the composure of his wounded ego. Would Zimmerman have trailed and confronted someone he suspected was armed, or someone who was visibly 200plus pounds of muscle? Did Zimmerman follow this guy from the store and knew he was just a kid with nothing, and said to himself, “Ef- it, I’m getting some glory tonight”?
For those of us with extensive experience in matters of street violence the only reason this would take any time to convict this Zimmerman wench is to try and spin a lie together for him. I've been in the exact same situation numerous times, only my assailants weren't retarded enough to approach me alone, even though numbers didn't help them AT ALL. But nobody died. The Spin they keep adding sounds so ridiculous that they’ve resorted to saying Zimmerman lost track of Trayvon, creating a new slate from which to rewrite and edit everything so to make the self-defense thing make sense. Trayvon came out of nowhere and attacked??? Are you kidding me!!? How is it this “lost track of Trayvon” and “accidental discharge” defense can come so late in the game( as oppose to up front where an innocent man would’ve immediately used it to declare his innocence)and NOT look like anything more than obvious spin and lies??? Then there’s the recording. When originally presented, Zimmerman’s breath was labored and anxious as he stated while stalking Trayvon:” these ???oons always get away with this shit!!!” as Zimmerman’s own brother testified that his brother was breathing hard. Yet, a later version of the recording aired on a talk show with Rev. Al Sharpton was cool calm collected. Obviously overdubbed to give us the impression that he was in a rational state of mind. Then an even later and “enhanced” version of the recording supposedly singled out what sounded and rhymed with “…oon” to actually be “Punks”. There are White people that even believe this spin and this obvious edit is sloppy and takes stupid to another level. There are so many unseen powers that be that’re trying to cover this up and lying on behalf of Zimmerman, that Zimmerman himself would have trouble keeping the lies straight when he gets on the stand. His disappearance, which seemed to be even a mystery to his lawyers, suggest to me that those “powers-that-be” pulled him to the side to give him a final script. Now he pops up and is arrested. Will he do time? We’ll see what the Spin doctors have to add to the trial. But somebody, or somebodies, is working feverishly to make this killing look justified. Will the Judge and Jury be paid for? Zimmerman sets up a website asking for monetary aid to pay legal expenses, then drops out of sight on his lawyers , then pops up with another one? What kind of theatre will we see? If Zimmerman is found guilty, would this be a set back for Florida’s conceal-and-carry laws?
Whats goings on???
I challenge the African American Community to respond to this ordeal in a civil fashion. Actions by Spike Lee and the Black Panthers was uncalled for and unjust.
I doubt anyone with any common sense even read past the first couple of sentences. All that work for nothing. LOL!
"Zimmerman’s actions were predatory as it was he who stalked and confronted the victim"
Even the prosecution said that they have no proof of this.
O’MARA: Since. Today. Do you have any evidence that conflicts with his suggestion that he had turned around and went back to his car?
GILBREATH: Other than his statement, no.
O’MARA: Any evidence that conflicts any eyewitnesses, anything that conflicts with the contention that Mr. Martin assaulted first?
GILBREATH: That contention that was given to us by him, other than filling in the figures being one following or chasing the other one, as to who threw the first blow, no.
O’MARA: The injuries seem to be consistent with his story, though, don’t they?
GILBREATH: The injuries are consistent with a harder object striking the back of his head than his head was.
O’MARA: Could that be cement?
GILBREATH: Could be.
O’MARA: Did you just say it was consistent or did you say it wasn’t consistent?
GILBREATH: I said it was.
O’MARA: Have you ever had your nose fractured or broken.
O’MARA: You know that that was an injury that Mr. Zimmerman sustained, correct?
GILBREATH: I know that that is an injury that is reported to have sustained. I haven’t seen any medical records to indicate that.
O’MARA: Have you asked him for them?
GILBREATH: Have I asked him for them? No.
O’MARA: Do you want a copy of them?
O’MARA: I’ll give them to the state. It’s a more appropriate way to do it. If you haven’t had them yet, I don’t want to cross you on them.
Nothing further, thank you, your honor.
Gilbreath didn't even ask for the medical records!!! You've got to love it...except for the idea that IF Zimmerman is guilty...he sure got lucky with this prosecution. I don't know who's worse Gilbreath or Obama's Solicitor General Verrilli.
All we can do now is pray that Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. does his job, and his job includes making us all feel good about the process, whatever the outcome.
It's good to see that folks are keeping the George Zimmerman case alive here at Right Scoop. As usual, the "news cycle" has wound down a bit lately, but I don't think the accused and his family are able to rest. I'm keeping them in my prayers.
Zimmerman gave him self up to the police.. The charge was laid to 'quell the mob'.. The police report, the witness report and all the evidence shows Zimmerman acted in Self defense and will never be convicted. He is basically in police protective custody to "quell the mob" and prevent him from being murdered.. Unless some startling 'new' evidence comes forward, this whole "show arrest" is to settle things down and prevent Zimmermans execution by radical 'justice seeking' left wing black 'leaders(?)'..
All of the blame in this case should go to obamao and the fast and furious holder! They are the ones that have created racial division in the country! And we have absolute cowards in the congress that will bend,against their beliefs, to any thing that obamao wants to destroy the country! This govt needs to be over thrown by the citizens to preserve our constitution!
Anyway you look at it two young men lost their life. Sadly, parents had to bury their child. Zimmerman will never get a fair trial if blacks are on the jury. I can not see any black going by facts if one has grown up listening to the type of black leaders of today - sharpton, jackson, wright, waters, etc. But the truth is the local courts will deal with this. Now, where is holder ? Why is holder giving radical, hate groups the okay to post bounties on humans. Since holder didn't stop the panthers putting out a death bounty on a human, he just gave the okay for all radical, hate groups to do the same. I'm sure holder wouldn't want to look like a racist and deny other hate groups from this - right.
How about we keep the conjectures out of this and focus on one thing. The affidavit and how poorly written it is and what that might mean.
The affidavit lacks proper attribution. What I mean by that is it fails to explain how the each piece of information in the affidavit is actually known. A proper affidavit must explain how each link in the chain gained the information — how everyone knew what they knew — so that the judge can make an intelligent assessment that the evidence is sufficient to warrant an indictment or trial. The Zimmerman affidavit does not even come close to doing this. It basically reads "we investigated a bunch of stuff, and here's what we learned," followed by a narrative of what someone believes happened.
The real question all of you should be asking, is why was it so poorly written. Could it be that political pressure has created a poorly written affidavit so that someone play pass the political hot potatoe? Come one everyone THINKG and DIG DEEP.
I think this debate has become so heated because each side is focusing on a different issue and not hearing one another.
On one side is the grave concern that blacks and liberals are prejudice against white police and that Obama and others are exploiting this prejudice for political gain.
On the other side is the very real despair that unfair stereotyping of blacks (by even non-racist well-intentioned people) goes on for yet another generation, with both small and disastrous consequences.
I think both side are sincere and I believe both sides are right.
Umm, no. Racial identity politics is racism. It is always wrong. It is an irrational way for stupid, paranoid people to feel good about themselves and excuse pathetic hatred of others. And it has absolutely nothing to do with the facts of the case.
So, both sides can't be right. One side is just very sincerely wrong.
I highly recommend yesterday's interview with Mark O'Mara.
Did anyone else note the seemly bias of the Special Prosecutor announcing the charges?
Those "sweet parents" (0:15 seconds) and in speaking about Trayvon and others....."precious victims" (3:22).
WHY did this special prosecutor forego the Grand Jury? To appease the Sharpton/New Black Panther party?
I noticed that as well. It was "especially touching" that she prayed with Trayvon's parents. I wonder how many other "victim's" family she has prayed with? I was particularly disturbed by how she was smiling. I'm sure GZ and his family don't find one darn thing amusing about the situation.
Here is an article posted today at Frontpage Magazine:
The Neighborhood Watch that George Zimmerman joined has certain rules and regulations including (1) not carrying a weapon while on patrol and (2) not following a suspect. It is indisputable that he violated the rules he had agreed to observe.
Doesn't that cast a certain light on the kind of person Zimmerman is?
He may not have been on a watch patrol at the time, but on his way to the store, at the time. What are the concealed carry laws in Florida?
Ah ha! Now you finally come out and show your hand! You didn't really need to, though.
I'm not so sure that (1) George was 'on duty' at the time, and (2) again, you've been misinformed or not informed whatsoever in regards to the fact that, upon being directed by the 911 operator to cease following Martin, George's voice is heard on the tape to say "Okay." Another thing: IF George had continued to follow, getting down to the nitty-gritty here, the police department confirmed that George was NOT breaking the law had he disobeyed - which he apparently did not.
Maybe you'd enjoy HotAir.com a little more to exert your vaunted credentials.
No. It does not. First, nobody knows at this point what is or is not indisputable in this case. We have been fed so many lies by the media that everything you hear should be suspect. Was Mr. Zimmerman actually "on patrol" or did he just happen to be there when he noticed this man? Did he follow Trayvon? We don't know that. Everybody has a right to defend their own lives regardless of HOA regulations or Neighborhood Watch program rules. I'm just not willing to jump on the spin of black-hating white-Hispanic with a John Wayne complex, murders an innocent Skittle-eating choir boy for the fun of it. I'll wait to hear the truth first.
"Everybody has a right to defend their own lives"
Legally, everyone has to RETREAT before using deadly force, with exceptions that include (1) they are in their own home, (2) they are in hot pursuit of a fleeing and dangerous felon (3) retreat is not feasible and (4) stand your ground laws. Note that under the Florida law, a defendant can't assert stand your ground if he "provoked" the initial confrontation.
I'm guessing this case will turn on how the jury applies the Florida stand your ground law.
.... I'm guessing this case will turn on how the jury applies the Florida Stand Your Ground law ....
I'll bet New York City to a single brick this sham charge will not get even to jury selection, let alone to trial and/or to deliberation.
Oh, right. George must have tripped and fell, broken his own nose, got up, then slipped and caused a bloody gash in his head. You're not able to do a good job of devil's advocate if you don't even do the research.
Blacks are setting back their cause 50 years by such antics. American people may not always pay attention but they are not dumb either.
After working two decades in government and seeing what the educated minority of blacks are "capable" of (let alone the vast majority who drop out of school), why would I hire anyone who constantly complains and almost never delivers the necessary performance?
It is too bad that blacks are creating and reinforcing the negative stereotypes of being unmotivated and violent on a daily basis.
I either read something or saw something on TV that said George Zimmerman made a huge mistake by cooperating with police from the beginning. He did not ask for a lawyer right away and so talked to the cops repeatedly and even went so far as to reenact the incident on video. I don't remember where I saw it, but it was related to his lawyers dropping him.
This video is 48 minutes long but everyone should watch it, and if you have teenagers you should make them watch it. The idea that you have nothing to worry about if you're innocent, and talking to the cops will help you prove your innocence, is wrong. In fact, it's when you are innocent and have done nothing wrong that you should NEVER talk to the cops.
You are correct. I respect the police, and I know they have a heck of a hard job to do. However, it is imperative that every American who is suspected of a crime do two things immediately: 1. Shut your mouth and say nothing. 2. Get an attorney.
Never cooperate in a situation where you are a suspect in a crime, particularly something as serious as this one. People love to say that if you have nothing to hide, then why are you getting an attorney? Sounds good, but isn't reality. There is truth in the words that anything you say to the police can be used against you.
Here's the scoop, folks:
Cory was ELECTED in Jacksonville, a district almost fully represented by COLOREDS.
Her phony indictment was "politically necessary" because she is up for reelection.
SHE WILL GO THE WAY OF MIKE NIFONG.
This case will never see the light of day. It is bogus, through and through.
I read this morning that 2nd degree murder would be very difficult to convict in this case. I think the prosecutor did this to appease the parents and black community knowing that. Also, a judge does not have to let it go to trial if he doesn't see just cause for this charge but likely would. That being said, how will he ever get a fair trial?
He won't get a fair trial. Anything short of life in prison will result in further street violence. It's ridiculous, and it should not be a fact of life in 2012, but it is. Whether guilty or innocent, I feel incredibly sorry for Mr. Zimmerman. He deserves justice and the benefit of the doubt, regardless of the color of skin of him or the victim. He has already been denied that.
Holder sends another ivory tower, unicorn chaser to enforce the administration's racist agenda and behold, another clueless recipient of power based upon entitlement over education and skills.
Holder sends another ivory tower, unicorn chaser to enforce the administration's racist agenda and behold, another clueless recipient of power based upon entitlement over education and skills.
Yeah, I thought so. This is all a public sacrifice for the reelection of a president. Think about how terrible that really is. The next time you see Obama, think of how terrible it is that he wants this kind of hatred and twisting of justice for his own benefit, as to destroy an American's life. When you tell yourself that you aren't voting for Romney no matter what, think about this case. Imagine how terrible this country will be after a second Obama term. Think this is the only one that will occur? Think again.
My prediction is that Zimmerman is going to spend 2 years in jail waiting for this case to come to trial. It's in the interest of the state to allow the passions to cool down, especially until after the Presidential election. I also think that he'll not be convicted of 2nd degree murder but of a lesser charge of some type.
Mark keeps pointing out that Romney will not come on his show for an interview. Romney should do it. There is no more certain a conservative the Mark Levine.
No, Mark Levin definitely does not support Mitt Romney. What he supports is doing everything possible to get Obama out of the White House, then moving forward from there. We are left with precious alternatives. Either vote for the candidate you don't like on the GOP side, or have your wasted vote count for Obama's reelection. Levin is choosing the first. So am I. I may not like the situation I find myself in, but I refuse to stand by and deliberately support Obama by my inaction.
Give it time to play out, Constance. This has been premature with Romney, with Rick dropping out. There are still a lot more states that want their votes and voices heard. It's very frustrating for people to crown someone nominee before the primaries have ended.
Romney is not inevitable, as many think.