"Dan Liljenquist just introduced as "a Bain Capital, Mitt Romney Republican." Not sure I've heard that kind of intro before. #utpol #utgop"
This was on May 19. Does that sound like a Reagan conservative? Does that sound like someone tea party groups would want to rally behind? Does that sound like someone Sarah Palin would want to endorse? I don't think so.
I watched an excellent documentary on the day Ronald Reagan got shot. He was know to have said that he believed his life was spared by God and that after that he made all decisions with the belief that he was doing God's work.
That's what we need again. Someone who really believes and you can see it by their words and actions.
What am I missing here? Palin, Levin, and Hannity were all for "conservatives" to replace the RHINO's, of which Hatch is most certainly one of. Liljenquist was on Sean's radio show and was basically getting propped up to replace Hatch. Now all 3 almost simultaneously endorse the RHINO and give half lame excuses like, "well he did vote for Clarence Thomas" and then go off on a tangent of how great a decision that was while ignoring votes for Ginsberg and teaming up with Kennedy for dreadful legislation. What gives?
Senator Hatch is not a republican in name only. As such, the entire premise of this position is mistaken.
If people are relying on FreedomWorks for their analysis, they are relying on fud. Unfortunately, FreedomWorks has been misleading people about Senator Hatch's record.
Here's another case where, if it is repeated often enough or loud enough, people will believe it no matter what the evidence is.
Hatch's record has been as a solid conservative. But the libs and RINOs would totally love to bring him down as one of the most powerful conservatives in the Senate. FreedomWorks is a RINO organization cooperating with that effort.
Furthermore, I heard him say..."I"...meaning with my own ears...that he believes a democrat president has the right to get his appointees/judges thru, so he votes FOR them..., hence you got the Gingsberg vote. And as someone who is pro-life, he has some big expliaining to do on that one alone.
He has fought long and hard for conservative judges, including a powerful defense of Clarence Thomas.
He did feel that the president should have his own appointees with him. Appointees are supposed to advise the president, not make law or have power themselves. This has changed with Obama.
Here are some transcripts of the extensive grilling done by Hatch and others of Gingsberg and why Hatch finally voted for her. The impression she left is that she would make decisions according to the rule of law and not according to personal preference or philosophy. She has not done so, but no one could have foreseen that from her own words and record. She sounded good and had a record that was overall good, and any other appointees after her would be probably as bad or worse.
Hatch went over her past record where she ruled correctly against her own personal preferences and not as a hard core liberal. He expected her to continue doing that and rule in a constitutional manner.
Not only appointees, but judges too, I heard him say so. He said it with indignation because President Bush wasn't getting his choices thru. I realize Senator Hatch has fought for conservative judges, and I commend him for that.
But, he voted for Gingsberg and other liberal judges. For me, that speaks loudly.
I've been looking at these comments & the other multiple posts on Hatch/Palin/Levin. Why is it that no one has questioned the who, what, when, where & why all of a suddent this campaign to push Hatch has started. Hatch's record speaks for itself, his words are on the record or video tape. Someone is going to have to answer this question, why now, why the "big push" for Hatch? I don't believe this is some kind of a spontaneous event that just came out of the blue.
Why bring Hatch up now? Do you think it is some kind of group conspiracy, lol?
Hatch is up for reelection now and first faces a primary this month. THAT is why he is being brought up now. Duh!
lanahi, yes, everyone knows he's up for a primary election; everyone does not know why the orchestrated campaign began simultaneously on one day to kick off the campaign. Since you & John Frank are major proponents of Hatch, as evidenced by your recent posts, perhaps you can shed light on how both you appeared here as part of the campaign. What is the agenda?
Thanks lanahi, "His candidacy went nationally viral the minute Palin endorsed him." Yes, it certainly did & you've proved my point. Your agenda is clearly stated.
As for lies, one way or the other, the man's actions & record speaks for itself. Commentors have posited for & against him as have I. Let the good folks of Utah judge him to see if he's fit for return. Not endorsements by outsiders, or microphones acting with possible self-interests. Think for yourself, never let others supplant your thoughts with theirs.
His candidacy went nationally viral the minute Palin endorsed him. You'll have to ask her why she did it when she did, but I'd say it was one heck of a campaign kick off, wouldn't you?
At that moment, I started researching Hatch, like everyone should be doing on all of the candidates. I resent it when our media and a candidate's opponents put out crap on a good man, that's why I shared what I learned.
Hatch "despises" those people...
FreedomWorks is not the tea party.
FreedomWorks has been deliberately misleading people about Senator Hatch's record.
As such, it is understandable that Senator Hatch would be upset with FreedomWorks.
People need to do their own homework.
Senator Hatch is a conservative. His opponent has decried the tea party, while calling himself a realist.
I'll be honest, I didn't know much about Orrin Hatch, but I kept hearing his name thrown around when people were talking about Lugar and McCain. So for first impressions, I wanted him OUT.
Good to hear this information though and at least understand that he isn't nearly in the same league as those RINOs, and his challenger may not be as Tea Party endorsed as they want you to believe.
I wish a real Tea Party conservative would be challenging him though, because anyone with 30+ years in Washington can safely assumed to be assimilated into the collective.
I don't think you can safely assume that at all. Some elderly statesmen actually influence others instead of the other way around. I think you have to vet each one according to his or her own merits. Most congressmen seem to get more liberal the longer they have been in power, Hatch has not.
Here's a good link on how far off track Hatch is...even compares him to Olympia Snowe, who is more conservative via analysis, lol
=========here's some juicy morsels from the website ========
Two years ago, Senator Orrin Hatch penned a letter to Utah Senator Margaret Dayton. Hatch had previously visited with her and other Utah Senators, and Dayton sent an email with some follow-up questions.
The first question dealt with the perceived problem of incumbency and the weakness of Hatch’s conservative record. In his letter, Senator Hatch was exasperated at the allegation that he was and is not the most conservative person in the Senate: “I believe my record, not only of advocating, but advancing a conservative agenda stands for itself,” he said. What is part of that record? Well, the following:
Hatch voted against banning earmarks
Hatch cosponsored the Individual Mandate for health care
Hatch voted for Medicare Part D, the largest entitlement expansion since the Great Society… until ObamaCare
Hatch voted for and was lead sponsor of SCHIP, a massive expansion of government health insurance
Hatch voted for the Wall Street bailout (TARP)
Hatch voted for the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bailout
Hatch voted to continue the auto bailout
Hatch voted to increase the debt ceiling 16 times by a total of $7.6 trillion
Hatch voted against the interstate sale of health insurance
Hatch voted to establish the Department of Education, a federal takeover of our education system
Hatch repeatedly voted for the expansion of government health care programs
Hatch repeatedly voted for wasteful and pork-laden farm subsidy programs
Hatch repeatedly voted for bills filled with pet projects and giveaways
In a Senate Judiciary Committee meeting three years later, Hatch advocated a policy he saw as beneficial to accomplishing that objective. An individual testifying to the committee stated that “no one is interested in destroying anyone’s computer” as part of cyber-security efforts to frustrate the actions of those seeking such files. Hatch responded: “I’m interested,” suggesting that such an action “may be the only way you can teach somebody about copyrights.”
The senator acknowledged Congress would have to enact an exemption for copyright owners from liability for damaging computers. He endorsed technology that would twice warn a computer user about illegal online behavior, “then destroy their computer.”
“If we can find some way to do this without destroying their machines, we’d be interested in hearing about that,” Hatch said. “If that’s the only way, then I’m all for destroying their machines. If you have a few hundred thousand of those, I think people would realize” the seriousness of their actions, he said.
One example is a November 2010 radio appearance with KNRS host Rod Arquette, where this question came up. Arquette asked “As you look back in the last two years, are there any votes that you regret right now?” Hatch’s reply:
Not really. I mean, I try to do the very best I can to represent our state the way I think people would want us to represent them. I can’t think of any. Yeah, there are some votes in the past that I wish I had over, like the Martin Luther King holiday. I just took the attitude that that’s another billion dollar loss to the budget, and didn’t take into consideration how important that was to a large segment of people who had not been treated very well. I would have voted for it if I could do it over again. But that’s the one vote that I really feel I did wrong on.
Now, of course, he is changing his tune. Faced by opposition from the swelling ranks of tea party Republicans who felled Bennett for, among other things, his support of TARP, Hatch has modified his reply and suddenly found new regret he before did not have. In a recent Associated Press article, Hatch suddenly includes that toxic TARP vote amongst his short list of regrets:
I think you can make a case that, without it, that we would have probably gone through a depression because things were even worse without it. But I wish I could vote on that over again. That’s one of the few votes I have cast around here where, if I had to do it over again, I would have voted the other way.
35 years a Senator is waaaay too long. If all the Senators and Reps who were elected in the 70's and 80's were no longer there we might not be in the mess we are in.
At the very least we should have a mandatory age 65 retirement age on DC electeds.
the problem with the Conservative Media...iz the Conservative Media. Hatch was the largest earmarker in all Congress.
The guy is OLD....he's been there FOREVER. Hatch voted for 7.5 TRILLION DOLLARS of MORE DEBT
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Hatch has repeatedly trashed the Tea Party movement.
None of the above videos make your point that Hatch has trashed the Tea Party. Chaffetz followed Newt around Florida in order to beat up on him for the Romney campaign. WTH over.
Freedom Works IS a Tea Party group, is funded and supported by activists in the hinter lands
A Freedom Works rep answers Hatch's point by point in this video
straw man argument, indicative of the Left.
What policies of Hatch are you defending that Tea Party/Freedom Works are in error?
Hatch endorsed a Democrat BBA amendment that would have raised taxes and NOT cut spending pre Tarp days. Why aren't you defending that ???
I'm not going to get caught up in "process" arguments, the Hatch endorsement is about "policy", and Palin's endorsement is bad because many of Hatch's polices are bad.
Defend Hatch's policies that agree with Democrats....waiting....
Kibbe says to Greta on why they are going after Hatch: "For a couple reasons. First of all, our power as an organization comes from the activists that we partner with." Who are they partnering with? The larger Tea Party groups have either endorsed Hatch or have remained neutral in the race. People on the Freedom Works board have endorse Hatch. Is Freedom Works just a gun for hire on the conservative side? Square those facts.
be specific, quite making generalizations..and sounding like a Leftist...no doubt the next reply will be a personal attack or name calling.
Kibbe was specific on which BBA Hatch supported in the past. Prove Kibbe wrong.
Heaven help us. I read the transcript of the interview and Greta made Lobbed look like an absolute irrational idiot. If anyone doubts me read the transcript of the above interview.
Hatch's bitter and vile comments about the tea party were very telling, showed his true colors. He hates any threat to the GOP establishment. Time for him to go.
His "bitter and vile" comments were all directed toward FreedomWorks, which is in the hands of the GOPe. He has supported other tea party agendas.
It would be a good idea to look at the ratings different organizations have been given Hatch throughout the years:
The NRA always through the years has given him an "A" or "A+" grade. Also Sportsmen and Animal Owners Voting Alliance gives him 100% each year.
He has always been given a high grade, usually 100%, on national security issues and has consistently supported Israel.
He has been given 100% conservative ratings on right to life issues, 0% by Planned Parenthood, 100% by National Right to Life Committee. This has never changed throughout his career.
97% rating by Citizens Against Government Waste.
90 to 99% rating by National Taxpayers Union and Americans for Tax Reform. 100% by National Federal of Independent Business and US Chamber of Commerce. (Lifetime score of 93% by C of C). 100% by National Small Business Assoc., Business-Industry Political Action Committee of 100%.
100% by American Conservatives Union and Christian Coalition of America.
He is consistently given an "F" or at most a "D" by the National Education Association but in the 90% range by Home School Legal Defense Association. 100% by English First.
He is given a 0% on affirmative action. ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) gives him ratings below 30% at most.
0% by League of Women Voters.
92% by American Family Association.
He was actually given a MINUS score (-3) by American Muslims for Jerusalem! 0% from Iranian American Political Action, Arab American Institute, and National Latino Congreso
100% by American Academy of Family Physicians and Protect Patients Now! but 0% by the American Medical Association. (AMA helped in the pushing of Obamacare).
AFL-CIO gives him only a lifetime score of 12% and 15% from the Teamsters. 6% from SEIU, 0% by United Auto Workers and most other unions.
0% by American Immigration Lawyers Association but 91% by United States Border Control.
The scores vary from year to year but have been pretty consistent for the most part over the years. Sounds pretty conservative to me!
Where has he been negative about the Tea Party? Palin would not support someone who spoke ill of the Tea Party.
Here are the words of Hatch on the tea party: I despise them.
He does not despise the tea party, nor tea partiers. His anger is with FreedomWorks, which has been spreading fud about Senator Hatch.
I read the articles referenced above. He very clearly says he despises Freedom Works. Freedom Works is not the Tea Party. Freedom Works is a Washington based organization filled with Washington insiders who have made millions off of Washington. Hatch has every rite to not like them. Let me know if I am wrong about Freedom Works.
Mark has persuaded me to change my mind on Oren Hatch. One of his last comments says it all...NO ONE is perfect but that's how life is. No truer words were spoken.
Listening to this now on the radio here, and while I am impressed with some of his actions, I still think that these guys are not entitled to their positions of power. The guy is 78 (at time of Wikipedia post) and it is ridiculous to think that he has some sort of ownership over his position because he has made some good choices. The sooner the "old school" can be moved out, the better.....but it's up to the people that vote to do their due diligence on the guy they intend to elect.
Did he claim ownership of his position? I know Kennedy did...his seat was known as the "Kennedy seat". Did Hatch make any such claims?
Reagan would be considered an "old guy" if he were still alive, but no one would respect him now because he was old?
I usually agree that the "old school" is RINO corrupt, and it appears that usually the longer a congressman has been in office, the more liberal he is. But there are some notable exceptions, and I think Hatch is one of them.
There are corrupt old ba**tards and there are elderly statesmen. They are both "old school". Perhaps we should judge each one as to which category they fall into and not automatically lump them together by age or length of service.