Hey, we don't get to pick our birthplace, but we sure can move,or at least try to correct past mistakes. We have to live down LBJ, in Texas.
Believe me college acid, rape, and murder is about the same % as slums. I have watched several felons working colleges,and campus police are inadequate. One school, had a 5 PM curfew. After admitting local police they caught the student, who had raped 5 gals. OH, he was a journalism major.
He would, but he cannot stand up. Anyway, if he appeared in a club with me, he probably not like the treatment he got, the brusies and all.
Hey Mark! I think the OWS just hate the law, not the cops. If you ever volunteered, like me, for crowd control, you might had deeper insight. THEY DON'T CARE IF YOU ARE THE COPS, THE ARMY, OR JUST ANOTHER CITIZEN. They want to steal, kill, bash in your heads. A few bullets into the crowd, almost always disperses them as they know, it isn't personal. Once, the mobs know you will not shoot, due to laws, the will do anything vile. Some people just do not understand mobs, nor that you have to fight for freedom. They think Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
Thanks toon. I appreciate it. I don't mean to sound whiny, but sometimes some (not pumpkin) claim to speak for all of us who are unemployed. I know a lot of folks here who are unemployed and a lot worse off than us, but none of us believe we are owed anything or should have others through government to give us anything. It's frustrating, but I have learned to trust in the Lord for all things and He has blessed us continually! Sometimes it takes having very little to see how very blessed we really are ;-) God Bless you Toon- you're a good friend.
I love this site of Scoop. I've met some excellent and caring people here. I hope maybe Pumpkin will come back and see how people here while maybe sarcastic or harsh sounding really do care about others and this Nation.
SOS. As soon as I turned grey, I was unemployed. MS in math, EE, pilot, MS in CS. I am on permanent vacation. I live off my wife. O steals $300 a month from me. When I had some money, I had a lot of friends. Now, I cannot afford doctor bills. Maybe If you apply at womans university. They help sometimes.
It doesn't surprise me in the least... the way the left is constantly shrieking about water boarding terrorists.
Sir, that appears to be a very respectful and well informed argument and I have nothing to disagree with about it at all. I realize that nothing I say here will change anybody's opinions nor make a profound impact on the world, but they are my opinions all the same. I respect your arguments as different views than my own and I believe you to most likely be a very nice person and I hope you have a fantastic day. I will continue to protest though, thank you
You have many solid points and i agree with you to an extent, but we do not hate america and we are not run by people who hate america. As for what i thought about the Tea Party, I have no valid opinions on the Tea Party because I don't have any information that I'd be willing to form an informed opinion on one way or another. I'm a freshman here just out of high school, I'm only just now getting into politics because only now is something truly infuriating me to such an extent that I cannot help but be eager to do something. And i intend on making my voice heard.
Pumkin, I can't speak for all the tea party- and I sure can't speak for many of the OWS. My own thoughts on government and what is wrong would be way too long to post here. However. The tea party (at least those I know) are frustrated at the growth of government, the way government has gone so far from the original intent of a Republican government, whose main duties were miniscule compared to the giant life sucking machine it is today.
That along with the cronyism - on both sides, the corruption on both sides and the power that government has stolen from the people they claim to represent. The paybacks by our current administration, the government dictating what we are allowed and not allowed, things which government in a Republic has no right to require, the UnConstitutionality of many of the things our government does. The list goes on and on. As for greed and all this class warefare stuff, yes, there is greed. But you know what? It is the elites in government which allow this corporate greed to go on. Lobbyists and paybacks go back and forth from corporation to Washington and then back again.
What it seems to me from some of the legitimate grievances I hear from some of the OWS is some of the same things which have frustrated people at the Tea Parties years ago, but the OWS people should be occupying Pennsylvania Avenue- not wall street.
I am the wife of an unemployed sweet dear man. We have no savings left except for a few small stocks. Do the OWS people believe because we, along with millions of middle Americans who have stocks deserve to have our stocks wiped out?
Some corporations are greedy. Extremely. But are you aware that as so many of the so called 99 percenters who are demanding more from the 1 percent are mostly people who started off the same way you, or I or many of the people here started off? Most of those have worked multiple jobs in their youth, saved their money, found a marketable product and then worked on their product for 80 plus hours a week, lived on macaroni and cheese until they finally could afford to maybe buy a store or a warehouse, or hire a couple of people?
I have known some supremely wealthy people in my life who are the hardest working, most giving and charitable people I have ever known. Who is government or a bunch of people obstructing businesses and others to tell these people they have too much and have to give more?
These so called millionaires who are trying to earn points by claiming they aren't taxed enough? That's bull crap. They could pay more to the treasury any time they want. They work the loopholes like anyone and in some cases such as Buffet and GE either don't bother to pay tax at all or are fighting the IRS about the taxes they pay.
Sorry I've gone on too long, but this is getting to me and I had to speak my mind.
I had the priviledge of teaching at a woman's university. Thank you for showing the world, great things come from such places. My deans, all women, were fabulous. Funny, they almost always had sidelines, like concert pianists. You go girl!
We ARE thinking of solutions. That general assembly i mentioned was all about coming up with what was wrong and how to make it better. And it took people from all sides up on that stage, not just the voices of people who agreed with the protests
Also, I may not have an exact full explanation for what we're protesting and why, but you're asking me to voice and embody the views of tens of thousands of people. We all have slightly different or even extremely different opinions. All i can say is I have a damn better understanding of the protests than you people do
Sir, with all due respect, it's clear to me that it is YOU that is naive. Everyone on here, including me, we are all naive. But I am making informed decisions and I'm living in the community where the protests are happening and am doing my best to inform myself of all points. I'm sure you have done research too, but there's more to the stories than simply official reports.
Really? What do you consider to be a real life lesson then if not standing up for what you believe in? Also, I'm sure some kind of sexual assault has happened somewhere in connection to OWS. But i'm talking specifically about the protests here in my city, Davis. WE are a non violent group. WE are not sexually assaulting each other.
Actually, I was helping a friend with her chemistry lab. I don't have a list of the grievances because I don't believe there is a final version of them yet. I am not in charge of the protests, nor am i out there everyday. But I'll fucking support them with all my heart when they are so blatantly mislabeled and insulted as I've seen on here today. Nobody wants the police to attack them. There's a difference between requesting the officer spray them and being willing to be sprayed to stand up for what you believe in. Also, seriously? What's with al the communist stuff? There's also a difference between people supporting your cause and you being answerable to them.
Everyone has every right to stand up for what they believe in, but don't dare try to gain sympathy for this until your friends go through real persecution.
I've stood up for plenty of things in my life, but there are plenty of ways besides taunting the law and disrupting others as you do it.
You may be right in that those you know are peaceful and genuinely have real issues- but since the OWS thing became a national event, if your group doesn't want to be associated with those majority of ignorant owsers, you might want to find a better way to protest.
FYI, the first sign of intellegence, is an open mind, willing to consider the other point of view. If you protest something you know nothing about, you need to take up car maintenance, cause you ain't gonna make it in any form of intelligent career. You can't argue with a man with a shotgun in his hand!
Thank you for your input sir, however my intentions never were to gain sympathy for the movement. Honestly, I simply happened upon this site and became infuriated while reading the comments people had posted. I tried to post my own several times but it never appears to have gone through so i replied to others instead. I still strongly disagree with the opinions I've seen on here, but many points have been made that I feel to be as valid as any point could be regardless of whether or not I agree with those points. This will be my last comment on here but just know I have not given up nor have I been "scared off". I still feel strongly in favor of these protests. Thank you all for being mature and providing fair arguments
I haven't heard of any sort of such behavior, but if you can show me these articles and they do in fact have credible reports of sexual assault by the protesters then I would be shocked and appalled. Regardless of the context, that kind of behavior is not okay and I assure you is not supported by the protests
Oh yeah, i forgot. Cause you know all we do as college students and friends is run around raping each other for fun while high on acid. My bad. You clearly know better than I do because what would I know living in Davis and going to school here.
....sir, i must say your comment blindsided me. All i can hope for is that it was a joke and that you really know better. I'll address your comment in points:
1: There has been no destruction of public property. We are entirely non violent.
2: Where did you even get the idea that we're sexually assaulting each other? That's just absurd.
3: I'm not sure how communism and union bosses fit in to a textbook example of the truly American right to freedom of speech and the right of assembly.
4: In regards to us not having "figured out what they are protesting yet", we're figuring it out every damn day. Yesterday we had a general assembly of thousands of people. People would go and voice what they felt was wrong and what they felt was right, in order to assemble a list of grievances and to truly figure out what the people thought. And you know what? Almost everyone agreed that the police are a vital and important part of our community. They are there to protect us and we recognize that. Brutality and excessive force however have no place in America. At least not in an America where the goal is to continue to have a free people.
I try to inform the colleges, the government, and voters. A young idiot is just an idiot, who will grow to be an old idiot. Instead of studying age old wisdom,they are 'assembling' to learn real life. SA is a good example. Colleges there are just for starting revolutions. they are young fools, and any government they set up, is a joke. When you are about 30, with a PHD, then you can explain how violence is an answer to the world's ills. Refer to Hitler.
Joke From Chinese Twitter:
A Chinese netizen asked Obama's comment about cop pepper spraying demonstrators in USA, Obama replied, why? You think we should use tanks?
MM, say whatever, just Do Not insulting the Tank Man at the Tiananmen Square!!!!!!!!
Ma'am. I honestly don't even know how to address what you said. It's one thing to claim the incident as a justified and necessary act, but another entirely to wish it upon them further. Those students out there are my classmates. My friends. All i will say to you is that I'd like you to know that your comment deeply morally and personally offended me.
"Consented to being pepper sprayed"? you make it sound like a picnic. Those kids, my classmates, were screaming. Those hundreds of cameras you talk about? those were students out there with cameras. This video should be making you people see what was really happening there, not something to joke around about.
Ah, found you, you flag burner you. Come on back to campus, on the quad,and we can settle it. Not like the last time, when you ran, as we showed up. You small minority, get out. College is for higher learning, not a terrorists traiing ground.
All I saw was a bunch of kids defying an order to disperse. All of the cameras and video phones were better quality than what most working folks I know have, and were better dressed too.
Pepper spray may be uncomfortable, but I really have no sympathy for those who knew the consequences of their actions. You've all been taught antiAmerican crap so long, but you have no idea of how great America has been.
We know damn well how great america is. There is no sentiment of anti-americanism anywhere in these protests. America is a great country. It's a country where people are allowed to voice their opinions no matter how much others disagree with them as long as they are peaceful about it. That's what we were doing. No act of entirely civil disobedience warrants the amount of force used on those students. America is a land of free speech to all. Not just those you agree with
I know you are slow, try this. A bunch of peacefull students, camps on a train track. All are killed. Such a tragedy. If you do not see this, go back to remedial english.
NO, nope nada. Your free speech, ends at the end of my nose. And, warning, I hit back, not like the police.
Pay particular attention to the beginning of this. http://www.therightscoop.com/video-oc-davis-protesters-were-clearly-warned-theyd-be-pepper-sprayed-and-they-were-cool-with-it/
And again, what do you expect the law to do when their orders have been ignored- especially after all the other OWS type behavior?
I fully agree that the comparison to tiananmen square is absurd. However, what most people on here seem to believe was that the students were defying an order to take down their tents. However, that order had been complied with and all the tents were removed by the students peacefully hours prior to the incident shown with the pepper spray. In regards to telling the cop to "bring it on". I fail to see how peacefully sitting in a circle warrants the use of pepper spray.
While I agree that freedom of speech is for all, the people here are stupified when it comes from people like Michael Moore when he equates the pepper spray to what happened in Tiananmen Square. There is nothing similar whatsoever. That said, these kids were told to disperse, were warned and one had the audacity to basically tell the cop to bring it on. Seems to me still that is blatant defiance. What would you have them do? Call their parents?
The left is portraying this as an unprovoked attack on peaceful protesters, however, according to the initial reports they were attempting to block the police from doing their job of removing tents and making arrests. That was a clear provocation by the students an possible even a criminal act.
It seems clear to me that they have taken a page from the Palestinian playbook of creating incidents that force police to take actions so that the protesters can take pictures that are designed to garner sympathy for their cause.
Exactly. Same type of liberal, socialist, insult to victims of atrocities in the world by watering down the true nature of what happened when they compare the slightest thing to them. For example, calling any conservative movement nazi's or a republican candidate hitler or Israel and apartheid state, anti-obama as racists. It is all to stimulate an emotional response and sensationalize anything that they deem dangerous to their agenda. What it ends up doing is minimizing and making meaningless what those words and events really meant.
I'm sorry but there is no way on God's green earth that I can watch Michael Moore and Larry on the same footage. My eyes are bleeding just from reading the headline- so no can do.
All I can say is
Pepper spray vs. Tank. Which one would moore choose I wonder?
how pathetic this comparison... that twerp kid will never compare to "Tank Man"--- who by in part was not in the Tiananmen Square protest... He was just a regular guy going about his business, but became involved when he was outraged by the tank column heading to break up protests.
Michael Moore take off that stupid hat