The Right Scoop- Anonymous
RS:
Better question, who is advising Romney? There you will have the answer to Romney’s healthcare quagmire. - http://www.therightscoop.com/ therightscoop
Honestly it all fails with the candidate. People won’t be voting for an advisor.
- Anonymous
RS:
Of course. But he’s been “handled” and its rather obvious. - Ira Thurby-Wright
“ But he’s been “handled” and its rather obvious”
I’m no longer very excited about Romney, he’s been less than impressive in the last 3 years, but the guy has the acumen and experience that it’s obvious he is not being handled. The problem with Romneycare isn’t that Romney screwed it up, it’s that he signed into MA Law something without sufficient checks and balances so that when a profligate liberal took over, it was subject to disaster, and that, of course is exactly what happened with Patrick and continues to happen with Coakley.
The brilliance of Romenycare is that it is a State mandate and not a Federal mandate (strange that conservatives even get lost in the nuances of Federal vs State jurisdiction), and most importantly, is that it gives the State the power to pool its citizens for the purpose of forcing the insurance companies to treat claims and coverage with the same metric they treat subscriptions and premiums, or more plainly, to disallow the proverbial cherry picking that goes on in the insurance business that flies in the face of both fair practice and the social compact. People buy insurance to distribute risk, but the economic incentives drive the Health Insurance companies to seek out only those of low risk, in effect relegating their usefulness as a commercial participant to leeching from the spoils of industry.
The State mandate, however says, “All of our citizens are in the pool of the insured, so if you want to do business in our state, consider all of our citizens, or none of them.” Now there’s a broad, deep pool of actuarials and the risk is more evenly distributed, insurance company’s unable to skim the cream of the crop, but still able to make money (they’re in it for the profit after all), but it puts premium collection and benefit disbursement on equal footing.
Final note, the implementation in Massachusetts is where the problem lies. They should have simply mandated through (probably) existing Insurance Regulation that the population of the State is the statistical pool upon which the insurance companies rate risk-to-premium, and let them compete without introducing tax penalties/incentives which in the hands of bad actors always turns into social engineering and voter politicking.
- Josh
May HAVE BEEN that it is the candidate, but now that Obama has shown his deck of commie cards, I think America will be VERY interested in the new president’s “friends”…
- Anonymous
Romney is clearly a trick by the Tea Party to get lunatic-left d-crat socialist heads to explode when they try to decide which they love more, ROMENYCARE or OBOZOCARE.
So to get even with the Tea Party, the lunatic-left produced their own trick, donald trump, so the Tea Partiers would support this phony – who’s a d-crat socialist-backing, obozocare-supporting, auto-company-bailout supporting, egomaniac, hussein-level-narcissist and abortionist – instead of supporting a real, honest, conservative who could help TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY from the d-crat socialists.
- Anonymous
- Super Mario
Wow! That was a good read. Especially that last link.
Thanks!
- Anonymous
Then you’ll enjoy these. I’m sorry if there’s an abundance of overlap, it’s been a while.
http://mises.org/journals/qjae/pdf/qjae4_4_6.pdf
http://mises.org/daily/4276
http://mises.org/daily/3793End the Fed? End the AMA!
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6RTB7IN6BV5IAOGBFE3DXUSWFU RepubL
It’s important to remember that Mitt Romney vetoed 6 major parts of the Massachusetts law but his veto was over-ridden by the democratic legislature. In any regard, this issue might blow over after this http://mittromneycentral.com/2011/05/10/romney-to-deliver-major-health-care-address-thursday-51211/
- Anonymous
Trust me, this “issue” will never blow over. geeez
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WZSJVWZUCFCWDMB6OQU4Q7KEEQ JD
It isn’t blowing over with me because I refuse to vote for the guy. He could say he had the biggest come to Jesus moment and he has reformed his ways and is all conservative all the time and I wouldn’t vote for him. Romney is republican establishment elite, no effin thanks, later!
- Steven
LOL. No, he negotiated and compromised with the Democrats on many of those parts as the price to pass the bill, then sheepishly vetoed those parts to fool people like you, fully knowing his veto would be overridden. Sorry not drinking the kool aid, especially from a use car salesman like Romney who we pretty much pegged and rejected in 2008.
- http://profiles.google.com/conservativesamizdat Conservative Samizdat
Mitt Romney’s new health care plan that will be unveiled will not include the individual mandate: http://conservativesamizdat.blogspot.com/2011/05/mitt-romney-to-unveil-his-new-health.html
The individual mandate is a small part of RomneyCare. The key plan of RomneyCare was to get certain people who could NOT afford healthcare to be able to afford it without new taxes, no new government program and the ability to choose what private health care provider they want to purchase from.
- Anonymous
No new government problem will solve the issue of healthcare costs in this oligopolized and cartelized market, only the elimination of older laws and regulations that (like always) set up that oligopoly and cartel.
- KeninMontana
There is a very good reason I refused my VA medical. I refuse to submit myself to those butchers and hacks.
- Steven
You’re drinking the kool aid or you’re a paid operative of the Romney campaign. The individual mandate was the center piece of RomneyCare. Indeed, Romney admitted that he “loves mandates” and that his plan was the “ultimate conservative plan” because it made everyone pay. Classic tax and spend liberal policies if you ask me and he’s a conservative!
- Michaelbriante
Romney is a RINO at best, a “progressive” “statist” at worst. Definitely NOT the man the United States needs in 2012.
- Anonymous
“He seems to have only been looking through the eyes of government intervention to come up with that.”
That is a no-DUH! statement. As a governor everything one does is an act of government. You seem to be surprised at the obvious. Why? Isn’t it the purpose of government to help its citizens to do those things they cannot for themselves? Its as if you prefer a governor should disavow the very government he presides over. Your attempt to shock here at the mention of government intervention is the silliest argument I have heard.
Massachussetts was not “intervening” (read problem solving) in something they had no interest. On the contrary, they had a lot of interest. The costs of freeriders for one thing. The lack of care for the uninsurable for another.
Romney re-organized the system and when you think about it, the only folks affected were the uninsured. He moved responsibility from the government to the individual where it belonged. They were helped to buy insurance if they needed help, their pre-existing conditions were excluded, the free-riders became responsible. Those that had insurance kept it and were not penalized. And keep in mind citizens had private coverage, private doctors, private everything.
That is the major difference between Obamacare and Romney’s plan. Romney was focused on helping the uninsured while Obama prefers to manage the insurance industry for all Americans.
This video is nothing different than Romney has been saying the whole time. Why aren’t other governors handling policy to help their poor and uninsured with private insurance? You disparage the one guy who got the job done without raising taxes, without putting private insurance companies out of business, and costing less than 2% of the state budget. (the insurance reform is not bankrupting MA-an oft repeated smear by his opponents).
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WZSJVWZUCFCWDMB6OQU4Q7KEEQ JD
I ain’t buying what you are selling. You might as well talk to the wall. Romney is damaged goods, P.E.R.I.O.D!
- Steven
I see the Romneyites have their talking points ready tonight. But they never seem to mention that individual mandate or that expansion of Medicaid or the use of federal dollars to fund RomneyCare, or the redistribution of wealth subsidy that does nothing to address the cost of health care, but actually increases the cost by increasing the demand. Nor do they mention how Romney negotiated with the Democrats and compromised on the business tax only to veto it with the full understanding that his veto would be overridden.
Yeah I agree with JD, I ain’t buying what you’re selling because you are not talking substantively about RomneyCare at all, but figuratively. But when you look at the elements of this plan, its incredible that a so-called conservative could have touted it as his most greatest accomplishment while in office.
- Anonymous
More government is not the answer. Government is the problem. Socialism has never worked; eventually you run out of other people’s money.
Btw, this is a ‘right’ site. Right means conservative. You might want to go to a ‘left’ site.
- Odin147
yes it is the progressive playbook…socialism through regulation
- Evelioperez1
Mitt Romney”s speech on Thursday will clearly lay out everything there is to know about Mass. Health Care and how it is so different than Obama Care, he will be the only candidate to lead and offer solutions in this “hush, hush” topic, but as always there is nothing that he can do or say for some that will alter the Romney hater’s hatefull rhetoric against the governor, if it’s not about Health Care they will hit him on his Religion…it is sooooo obvious…….
- BS
Go away, Mitt. Your socialized medicine “solution” in Massachusetts makes me puke. I would never vote for you. I’d rather Obama win and own the destruction than to have the good name of “Conservative” ruined by you.
I’m tired of RINO’s! John McCain was my last vote for one. I’m still hungover from the drinking necessary for me to pull the lever in 2008.
BS
- http://www.planettron.com NickDeringer
As a resident of MA I can tell you RomneyCare has fallen short of it’s promises big time. It’s only value today is as a cautionary tail about ObamaCare.
In MA we wait and average of 55 days to see a doctor.
Sad thing is Romney will likely be the nominee unless we get out there and push for someone else…like Allen West.
- Anonymous
Sarah Palin is The Only Conservative LEADER who Actually can DEFEAT Obama….
- Hector
It’s no wonder Romney likes it. Whether you believe it’s the way to go on healthcare or not, 84% approval is as good as it gets in politics. Romney, btw, is a Conservative, not a Libertarian–that’s why Cato Institute (linked above) hates it. What do Conservative think tanks say about RomneyCare? Well…look at Heritage, the preeminent conserv tank. They invented it.
- Steven
I think you mean Establishment think tanks like Heritage. Conveniently you don’t site what conservative radio thinks, nor conservative editorial boards like the Wall Street Journal think about RomneyCare, and many conservative writers and pundits. Romneycare is the “ultimate conservative plan” to you isn’t it? Because it forces everyone to pay, right? No more free riders, blah, blah. Look, you guys have drunk the kool-aid so deeply that it has made you lose your bearings on reality! This bill is nothing to write home about and that’s the reason for the speech he has to give! Its the antithesis of conservatism and smacks of classic tax and spend liberal. The individual mandate is a tax as the Obama administration has defined it in the courts. So you tax everyone and then spend on the subsidy to further inflate the cost of medicine because of the increased demand. This is why the waiting times have increased and with that the quality care will decline. Some conservative that Romney is!
- K~Bob
Romney bought into the stupid notion that “we spend too much on healthcare.”
Hey Mitt, we can spend whatever we damned well want to spend. If there were more of a free market, we could choose lower cost providers, like we do with laser eye surgery and orthodontics. Thanks for eliminating that as an option forever.
…Unless this disastrous Obamacare is repealed. NOT replaced. Stay the hell out of my heath decisions.
- Josh
The “nanny state” is a great analogy. The problem with “free riders” is not that they have an inability to pay. The problem is their attitude. It used to be that people would have a moral obligation to cover their debt. It was a matter of personal pride and honor. However, after years of government salvation, easy bankruptcy, and free credit reporting, it has become the right of the individual to have food, money, and a gigantic social safety net that is provided by Mama Sam.
This has superseded the role of friends, family, and charity in our society. Now that we as a society have taken advantage of the government’s “generosity”, and we got away with it, we feel that it is our right to continue. It is like living in a society of rebellious teenagers. Until our Uncle Sam lets us spend the night in jail and face the music, we will not learn and we are free to continue our destructive behavior.
- Tyler
Yes. Individual mandates and death panels are okay…as long as it’s done on the state level. I know those aren’t his exact words, but I remember him saying that before. Anyone who is seriously considering voting for this guy needs to get their head checked.
- John42399
Is it any surprise that the Republicans have no credible and exciting Presidential candidate for 2012 ? And they (The Media , DC crowd ) are pushing for a Socialist like Romney .They had 2 years to come up with someone and also prove to Americans that they will go back to being true ” Conservatives ” . It’s all a Farce people . It ‘ll be another repeat of 2008 .
Mitt Romney in 2010 defended the individual mandate in RomneyCare saying that it was the best of three options to support the uninsured. He also says that he only likes RomneyCare for Massachusetts and insists that he wouldn’t roll it out as a federal plan, but he would be OK if other states chose to adopt a similar plan.
What I thought was interesting was how he started his answer. He described his three options, the freeloader option, the individual mandate option, or the business mandate option as the only options that exist to deal with the uninsured in our country. That’s very interesting. He seems to have only been looking through the eyes of government intervention to come up with that.
Also he admits that there is a penalty incentive for those who can afford health care but refuse to purchase health care in Mass. Either you provide the ones that do purchase health care a check (subsidy) or you just force the ones who don’t buy into the system to purchase it through taxation. I don’t like either option!
I’ve never liked him all that much as a candidate, but I’m liking him even less and less the more I hear about RomneyCare. The funny thing is he never admits that he wishes he hadn’t done it and he never talks about how it’s bankrupting the state of Massachusetts now. He just says it isn’t perfect but he still likes it.
I thought this would be an interesting clip to post before he does his new “here’s what I think about health care now” speech. Since I’m not big on smearing people, I’ve provided his entire answer to the question of comparing his plan vs Obama’s plan:
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- http://www.therightscoop.com/
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_6RTB7IN6BV5IAOGBFE3DXUSWFU
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WZSJVWZUCFCWDMB6OQU4Q7KEEQ
- http://profiles.google.com/conservativesamizdat
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WZSJVWZUCFCWDMB6OQU4Q7KEEQ
- http://www.planettron.com
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