Speaking of not standing up for principle, more Republicans are ‘falling in line‘ to accept a deal that might raise taxes in order to raise revenue by disavowing a pledge they signed years ago not to raise taxes. Instead of standing up for the truth that we have a spending problem and not a revenue problem, Republicans are slowly laying down their weapons while standing in a den of hungry lions.

Thanks John Boehner:

FOX NEWS – More congressional Republicans are breaking a long-standing pledge to oppose tax increases before returning to Washington on Monday to avert a looming fiscal crisis with a deal that increasingly appears impossible to reach without changes to the tax code. …

New York Rep. Peter King and Sen. Lindsey Graham said Sunday they would break the pledge and accept tax changes to generate more revenue to curb the trillion-dollar federal deficit.

Their statements followed a similar one Thursday by Georgia Republican Sen. Saxby Chambliss.

“I agree entirely with Saxby Chambliss,” King said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “A pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago, is for that Congress. … The world has changed, and the economic situation is different.”

The New York congressman said he was opposed to tax increases but that “everything should be on the table” when President Obama, House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid try to broker a deal.

“I’m not going to prejudge it, and I’m just saying we should not be taking ironclad positions,” King added. “I have faith that John Boehner can put together a good package.” …

Graham has suggested earlier that he would be open to changes in taxes, but repeated Sunday only if Democrats are willing to cut federal spending by scaling back entitlement programs like Medicare and Social Security.

“I will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if Democrats will do entitlement reform,” he said on ABC’s “This Week.”

He also said the only pledge that should be made when the country is trillions in debt is to “avoid becoming Greece.”

“Republicans should put revenue on the table,” he continued. “We don’t generate enough revenue.”

However, Graham said he agrees with pledge champion Grover Norquist that tax rates should not be increased and instead suggested generating revenue through capping tax deductions.




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wallwatchman
wallwatchman

Are you kidding me?! You people, GOP and dems are the reason we're in this in the first place!! What is it with you people! You spend like there's no tom, and then claim you have to come to the rescue and save the country, when it was you guys who caused the trouble to begin with!! And then you have the gall to tell the American people that WE have to buck up, pay more and more taxes because that's the only way out for this mess we're in!!

I'm sick of it! How does this garbage ever hurt the president, the people in the legislative or judiciary branches for that matter. You people decree this stuff on us, it doesn't work, but we end up paying for it! Are they losing their jobs?! Their homes?! Life savings?! NO!! Well, we are and it's not right! They are so flippant about going back on their word, like it's a game and no ones affected!! GOP, count me out! I won't keep supporting people who care more about PR, looking good in their circles, whatever, than doing their stinking job right! To keep doing that, I think is called insanity!!

c4pfan
c4pfan

The GOP should be asking, 'Where are the cuts?', because that's where the freaking problem is!

catdoc
catdoc

Not a chance of winning a primary. I'd rather a cheating wife.

Beale Bauguess
Beale Bauguess

So why are the repubs so eager to violate their tax pledge? What has Obama offered? Nothing! It is just those very stupid republicans negotiating with themselves again. 2 parties: 1 corrupt, and 1 very stupid.

c4pfan
c4pfan

I have the slightest idea!

Chris Witham
Chris Witham

God save us from America's enemies.

sjmom
sjmom

Too many of them are enemies within; but YES, GOD SAVE US!

Alex
Alex

Chambliss is my Senator.

I get it. Peter King wants to break the tax pledge to show Grover Norquist he's not going to follow his pledge because Norquist has deep ties to Islamists.

sjmom
sjmom

Is there nobody in DC who can be trusted to keep their word to the American people? Apparently not!

Orangeone
Orangeone

Allen West but you see where that got him.

Alex
Alex

There's around 20 Congressmen and 7 Senators that I trust.

What about Jim DeMint for one?

c4pfan
c4pfan

He's leaving when his term is over. That's what.

Orangeone
Orangeone

I agree there's more just went for the kill shot with West.  He was slammed by both the Dems and the RINOs

sjmom
sjmom

How stupid are the American people to keep the liars and remove those who speak truth and how do you counter such stupidity? I pray the Lord will show us.

Alex
Alex

It was redistricted but we voted in some people who speak the truth even in this election.

Army_Pilot1967
Army_Pilot1967

Boehner has been a HUGE disappointment as Speaker. Surely we can do much better than that. Please tell me we can and we will!!!!!

stevenbiot
stevenbiot

Taxes are going to hammer the middle class. There is going to be an across the board tax increase to prop up our country's 10% entitlement dependency. No way around it. We voted for a president that is going to raise taxes during a recession, and grow entitlements. When politicians say they are changing positions and turning their backs on promises they were put in congress to keep, we have a unified tyranny afflicting us. It's time to increase our pressure on congress to obey, not lead us.

poljunkie
poljunkie

TERM LIMITS would help fix this problem.

TruLevinian
TruLevinian

We shoulda seen this comin when he started cryin all over the place the day he became Speaker. He's that guy that gets his ass kicked every day on the playground.

Flemington Tea Party
Flemington Tea Party

Give them a king...

When Samuel grew old, he appointed his sons as Israel’s leaders.[a] The name of his firstborn was Joel and the name of his second was Abijah, and they served at Beersheba. But his sons did not follow his ways. They turned aside after dishonest gain and accepted bribes and perverted justice.

So all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah. They said to him, “You are old, and your sons do not follow your ways; now appoint a king to lead us, such as all the other nations have.”

But when they said, “Give us a king to lead us,” this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the Lord. And the Lord told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will claim as his rights.”

Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king. He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. Your male and female servants and the best of your cattle[c] and donkeys he will take for his own use. He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not answer you in that day.”

But the people refused to listen to Samuel. “No!” they said. “We want a king over us. Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.”

When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the Lord. The Lord answered, “Listen to them and give them a king.”

Then Samuel said to the Israelites, “Everyone go back to your own town.”

Chester Simms
Chester Simms

In prison, Boehner would be everybody's b*tch

sDee
sDee

Norquist is an islamist quisling. His tax pledge is suspect like everything he does.

Robert Spencer writes about this on Atlas Shrugs today:

Grover Must Go

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/11/atlas-exclusive-robert-spencer-grover-must-go.html

...Meanwhile, a toast to Saxby Chambliss. He may be just another self-serving hack feeding at the public trough, but he has managed to do the right thing, even if by accident: he has thrown off the deleterious influence of the thoroughly compromised Norquist. For that alone, even though he did it for the wrong reasons, he may one day deserve to be called a statesman.

WhiteGuy2
WhiteGuy2

Fiddling with tax rates is a fools errand. It's an excuse to maintain the status quo while giving the appearance of reform.

Abolish the IRS, and institute real reforms by going to a flat tax system.

commonsenseobserver
commonsenseobserver

Given that people like Pat Toomey have advocated a similar approach in the past, I wouldn't panic yet.

hramirez18
hramirez18

Only solution, third party. because they have it all figured out, come now that the Conservatives do not want. then in 2016 we run with Marcos. and they will vote again for us.

denbren52
denbren52

Am I the only one who sees this as good news? Let the Republicans expose themselves as just another big government party so that we can get about the business of forming the new party that will eventually replace the GOP as the conservative standard-bearer.

The time is now! Let's get this party started and get some people ready for Congressional and senate races in 2014.

Allen West? Oh yeah! First on the list.

Constance
Constance

You know, I agree completely. I'm angry about this, but I'm also done with the GOP. I trust them almost less than I do the democrats, because they lied to my face repeatedly. The democrats did not lie to me - they told me who they were and what they stand for, and I ran the other way. The GOP lied. That, to me, is worse.

Rshill7
Rshill7

So, do Obama and the democrats have a mandate? Yes they do. The mandate is this:

Voter fraud is fine. Use it forevermore unchecked, unquestioned, and unchanged. Embrace a new slogan. Old Glory, long may she wane.

HopeHeFails
HopeHeFails

Letting Obama bury himself in his own $hitty deal is not necessarily a bad strategy for 2014. All Republicans have to do is say 'we tried it his way' and it buried the nation.

SoLongSong
SoLongSong

That's the thing. It's awful, but Obama's going to destroy America over the next four years anyway. Let's NOT give "THEM" (the media/obama administration - Potato/Potahto) any excuse at ALL to blame us.

We'll hang them by their own rope.

HOWEVER! If they ARE going to do it, they should make it CLEAR that that's what they're doing. We need a clear, cohesive message.

Haywoodjbl
Haywoodjbl

Notice how "compromise" means we cave in? Azzholes

pmb88
pmb88

So i see it now, sign the pledge to get elected and break the pledge when things get tough. I wouldn't mind them breaking the pledge if the Dems actually agreed on real spending cuts. What irks me the most is that they're breaking the pledge because it puts them in a rough spot.

Philo Beddoe
Philo Beddoe

The dem's and rep' have become one. These politicians are worried about:

Their Wealth

Their Power

Their Security

They allow each other a scripted false outrage on issues, but in reality they work from the same playbook.

Rob_Bryant
Rob_Bryant

I love that the political idiots in Washington have been able to dumb-down Americans enough that they can now say "revenue to the government" instead of "raising your taxes".

Haywoodjbl
Haywoodjbl

It boils my blood to hear "revenue" because that implies you created something. They create nothing....

Revolution is on the horizon

Rshill7
Rshill7

Well, I've had it. Gonna give Cutie Beauty my half of the business and start writing Cowboy Poetry in return for Government subsidies. Here's my first cowboy contribution:

Republican Rustler Requiem

Go along to get along...little dogies!

And by get along I mean

Get eaten...like Hoagies.

Yeehaw.

Is_Sense_Common
Is_Sense_Common

Hmmm, so the only place that entitlements can be reformed is in Medicare & Social Security? Well - the next thing you know they'll be telling us the only places that can be cut are firefighters and teachers.

Yup - these are the only areas of gov't waste folks. Cough up your dough - it really never belonged to you anyway. Thanks a lot Repooplicans. You're so predictable.

Adam
Adam

Good. They need to cave on this. Get the "GOP is the party of the rich" talking point off the table. That along with the demonization of Mitt's wealth cost them the election. When Obama and the Dems get their precious tax hikes and the economy continues to stagnate(and likely get much worse), they'll have nothing to run on.

Orangeone
Orangeone

They will still blame the GOP, the MSM will still blame the GOP, taxpayers will rightfully blame the GOP and the Dems will stay in power. It is win-win for the Dems no matter what.

detectivedick
detectivedick

The GOP needs to propose the VAT for all Americans, let's say 15%. Then let the LIAR say no. The LIAR will have to admit that a VAT would be a cut/reduction to his voting base.

The Republicans need to shut up and let the Progressives develop a new slogan....maybe a "War on Wealth"...sounds good.

Republicans need to just shut up and stay away from the Presstitutes. Bring on the Cliff!

Orangeone
Orangeone

He no longer cares about a voting base. He is working on a third term already, and yes, unconstitutional, but that hasn't stopped him thus far.

Libertyship46
Libertyship46

Notice that in all this talk about raising taxes, you don't hear much of anything about cutting spending, which is where the real problem is. Trust me, folks, by 2016 we'll be well over $20 trillion in debt and we WILL be Greece. The social unrest that's coming our way will make the riots in 1968 or the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles look like a joke.

wodiej
wodiej

the deal is to cut entitlement spending.

Sober_Thinking
Sober_Thinking

Cowards. Spineless, brainless cowards.

Boehner is as incompetent as Obama... but Obama is winning and America is losing.

Rshill7
Rshill7

“I will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country, only if Democrats will do entitlement reform,” he said on ABC’s “This Week.”

He (Lindsay Graham) also said the only pledge that should be made when the country is trillions in debt is to “avoid becoming Greece.”

“Republicans should put revenue on the table,” he continued. “We don’t generate enough revenue.”

* Each US citizen is much further in debt than each Greek citizen...already.

* We generate plenty of revenue. How about cut some spending?

* How can you generate more revenue by killing growth?

* Vicious cycle? Thermal runaway? Of course.

* For the good of the country? Who's country? Which country? Not ours.

* Getting democrats to "do" entitlement reform? They'll "do it" alright, and "do" you right along with it. Grab your ankles then. That way you won't have to look a single conservative in the eye, and you can get what you usually get from the monolithic opposition.

And we can get F'd vicariously through you. Thanks Mr. Milquetoast. Butter-up!

Orangeone
Orangeone

I say let's send each RINO a case of soap-on-a-rope and ask them how it feels to be treated the way they are treating us, the taxpayers, us, their employer.

wodiej
wodiej

why vulgarity to make a point?

Rshill7
Rshill7

I don't think it's vulgar. The vulgarity I describe is much worse than the mild description. It's an all too accurate metaphor, with a huge helping of understatement.

las1
las1

entitlement reform HA!

Of course Obama will do entitlement reform. American will no longer be entitled to a strong Defense posture... full steam ahead on sequestration. That's the only "entitlement" being reformed.