I've been doing some thinking about the first amendment, and how we end up with so many fake religions in the US.
It's a fact that Congress is prohibited from establishing any religion and is also cannot prohibit the free exercise of any religion.
But what, exactly, is a "religion?"
A hasty review of some relevant Supreme Court opinions on First Amendment cases indicates to me that most of the specifics involve attempts to discredit or favor a particular religion. But so far, I've seen nothing that attempts to define legitimate religious belief, observance, or practice.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and declare that no state will allow, for example, the murder of children as a "religious" practice. I don't care what any SCOTUS opinion might say on the subject. It just won't happen. Likewise, public fornication, and many other things I'm sure you can imagine. So clearly a boundary exists, similar to the fact that some boundaries do exist with regard to speech (for example, you can't come in my house and say whatever you want, based on the First Amendment: I can kick you out.)
I'm thinking we need a list of disqualifiers. A way to "pierce the envelope" of First Amendment protection in certain cases (similar to the way the law regarding Corporations cannot totally protect a criminal act by an officer).
Sure this is dangerous. It's only an exercise. But here's my first proposed disqualifier:
1) Advocating the murder of any human being shall disqualify a religion from First Amendment protection.
It ain't much, but it's a start.
Well there's something more fundamental than an constitutional amendment, and it's the principle of individual rights, as articulated in the declaration of independence.
The reason why people can't get away with "killing children" as a religious practice is because those children have individual rights, and those individual rights TRUMP the constitutional amendment establishing freedom of religion.
Individual rights > Constitutional amendments
This is why, for instance, some people (including myself) argue that the 16th amendment which establishes the federal income tax, is actually illegitimate since it involves an initiation of force against individuals, thus violating individual rights.
Don't just focus on what the constitution says; focus also on what the principle of individual rights implies.
Excellent point. Of course, in order to make a fundamental change in how religion is defined, it will probably take a Bill that focuses very carefully on Constitutional language.
So maybe a Zeroth principle is that no religion may deprive any person of their unalienable rights.
This is, after all more about "believe whatever you want, but here's what you may not do," than it is "we don't like what you believe." But my concern is that we should not afford protection "as religion" to groups that espouse principles that deny individual liberty.
(For example, no special tax status as a religion for such groups.)
How much more stealth can they get than having one of their own in the White House? Kudos to you, a44wipe mooslims.
How much more stealth can they get than having one of their own in the White House? Kudos to you, a44wipe mooslims.
Christianity views the world much the same way, fyi. All land is God's land and we are to spread the Gospel of Christ to every person in the world. We don't use guns or weapons, we present the Gospel and if accepted, the person's heart is changed.
Thank you RS for posting this...there are only a couple of Conservative sites that post this type of info...
I don't recall Daily Caller or Hot Air posting much regarding this info...I think they might be concerned they will be attacked as Islamaphobic...
I appreciate, so much, RS, Gateway Pundit, Weasel Zippers, the Blaze, and other sites that are aware that the dangers we face are not just economic.
The "It's The Economy Stupid" maybe the mantra for campaigning, but I don't vote as a single issue voter...for me the Big Picture is what I look at...and if we allow blind politicians, who only pander for votes, to be the majority, the economy won't be a factor...
What surprised me about Weasel Zippers is he supported Rick Perry for president. Everytime I posted about Perry allowing a white washed version of Islam into Texas schools Zip would delete the comment.
He would then ban me. I used 5 different email addresses to keep posting about it and he would ban me each time I mentioned it. So very puzzling. He would also call Bachmann a hissing cobra. She actually signed the No Shariah Pledge.
Agreed... Europe is a hot mess. I live in Holland I can know, but when I hear the story's about islam in the US I really think the islamisation there is going faster than it ever gone in Europe. We had a rellatively slow islamisation process compared to what the US is whitnessing right now. Groups like CAIR are get getting access to the whitehouse and saudi funded university's. You Yanks better wake up because you are giong faster than Europe....
The one thing you still got and many Europiens where roped off by the left is pride in there country. We only express this pride with queens day and soccer. Americans are mostly proud of America. Dont lose that.... And NEVER lose Jesus. Europe did that and look at us now.
Sorry for my bad english... love America and love Europe we are the west.....
Don't worry about your English! It's much better than our Dutch! :-) We appreciate you being here. I pray Europe can be saved, but it will take ending islamic (I refuse to capitalize that word) immigration and repatriating them back to their countries of origin. You guys need a 2nd amendment. They need to allow all Dutch citizens (not any immigrants) to have guns. Same in all the other European countries.
You're english is better than some who live here. Thanks for posting, you add much to the discussion.
Thats because they are against God not against religion in general. Thats why they hate the christians an the jews. Thats why they hate Israel en America.
In some respects, Mo is right here. Stealth is the only way these 7th century barbarians will ever accomplish anything. But the West is (slowly) catching on, and I forecast it won't be long till the English start rounding up these savages and throwing them out. Inciting riots and advocating the open destruction of one society so that you can conquer it is still illegal, even to liberals. I think.
Bill Zimmerman on alternet has 14 rules for revolt.
#10 is "YOUR MISSION IS TO DESTABILIZE SOCIETY"
Well Well well, how about that. So, 40 years later Zimmerman and his pals and family are still at it. In fact it doesn't seem much different from what they were up to in the Thirties. Looks like the islamists are not the only ones.
The guy's totally correct. That is exactly what a faithful, law abiding Muslim should believe.
This barbarian's goals can only be achieved because the Christian West has abandoned its faith, virtue and responsibilities to family and honor. In a fit of selfish sensual obsession the secularized West has lost faith in life itself and is dying out by choice. Much of Europe will most likely fall to Islam precisely as described by this man.
America still has enough real men and women taking care of job #1 to grow the population. We should thank God for the faithful then strip Islam of all rights accorded other religions under the 1st Amendment. Pass a law clarifying that it is not a "religion" it is explicitly a political and legal subversion of our Constitutional Republic. If the law won't stand then amend the Constitution.
By its true nature Islam cannot be at peace within any social system other than its own.
Like I tell folks, islam is not a First Amendment issue, it is an Article 6 issue which states that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land. Muslims want to overturn our Constitution and replace it with shariah. That is sedition and sedition does not get 1st Amendment protection.
Also, the Bill of Rights are not there so folks can use our Bill of Rights to take away our Bill of Rights. The Constitution is not a suicide pact.
Remember that Obama told NASA administrator Charles Bolden that his highest priority should be "to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contributions to science, math and engineering"
Obama is very concerned about low self esteem in the in the muslim world.
Maybe if just start applauding them when they say 4 + 4 = 11, blue is green, sacrificing your children to kill people that are not like you is a good thing, chopping up your daughter or your wife because a neighbor said they didn't wear their veil today is a good way to get in good with allah, maybe they will turn into model citizens
You know, it worked great in the US, the kids grew up to be #OWS protesters.
One of the few contributions Muslims have made in the area of science, math and engineering that I am aware of is the concept of zero. How appropriate.
There is an even simpler reason for 'stealth' jihad: muslims are worthless on the battlefield.
When confronted by roughly equal numbers of conventional forces, or competent special forces, muslim forces always crumble. Take a look at the Battle of Tours, in which the forces of Chuck Martel literally saved the world:
Now, take a look at a modern day example, pitting the forces (both conventional and special operations) against the muslim enemy, in the town of Fallujah:
In a straight up battle, the muslim will lose, almost every time. Its their nature. This is why they've decided to fight utilizing bombs and suicide tactics, for the most part; because they know they don't stand much of a chance, doing anything else. In using trickery, they bypass their superiors (Soldiers and Marines), and head straight for their inferiors: civilians and politicians. Fawning leftist politicians and their civil base are easily swayed, intimidated and fooled into such actions as turning on their own nation and the very Soldiers and Marines that protect them. As long as they do not run into the odd patriotic civilian, or the Veteran, the muslims can continue their 5th Column assault against civilization, unabated by guns and bombs. So, in their campaign of sedition against the US, they involve themselves in tortious, anti-American legislation (such as through the traitorous Keith Ellison) and also attack through agitprop and black & white propaganda (CAIR). Instead of dealing with the people (military personnel, Veterans) that know and recognize them as enemies of all Life and Freedom, which would only result in their own deaths (something they truly do fear, regardless of all the hype, lies and talk), they deal with the weak and the stupid, who they can easily twist and manipulate into aiding and abetting them in their campaign to kill and/or enslave them.
It's not that they're worthless on the battlefield. It's that they're simply at a disadvantage technologically, economically and militarily. They were on the top of their game during the 7-17th centuries, because they were at an advantage technologically, economically and miliarily. They were able to create massive armies and just steam-roll through North Africa > France, Byzantine > Austria & Persia > India. They were held back in the 7th century at Poitiers (France) and in the 17th century at Vienna (Austria), and then in the late 17th century we began to push them back all the way to Constantinople (now called Istanbul), and they went into a period of 200 years or so of self-doubt, humiliation and defeat - Meanwhile, the West rose and kept rising technologically, economically and militarily because of the advent of free market capitalism and the industrial revolutions that took place.
I guarantee you that if the Muslims were able to once again gain the technological, economical and military advantage over the West (or unbelievers, more broadly), then we would once again see them rampaging throughout the world, conquering, massacring, subjugating, enslaving and all the bad stuff that they got away with between the 7-17th centuries. The whole "peaceful" and "tolerant" face to Islam today is a massive FARCE. I know, from historical precedent and from what Islam actually sanctions and mandates, that if Muslims were at the advantage then there'd be NO peaceful or tolerant Muslims - All would be jihadist; all would seek the destruction of the West and the elimination of all unbelief from the world.
I disagree. Technologically and economically, they've more than enough. Through the flow of petrodollars and government sponsorship, they have more than enough access to Soviet and Chinese weaponry, as well as Pakistani and NORK. During the Battle with Charles Martel, they'd conquered Spain, and many other nations, before moving on to deal with him. Their general, Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi, was supposed to be the pinnacle of muslim military training and brutality. Martel defeated Paula Abdul with a band of people that others would scarcely consider more than rabble. Yet, with his "disadvantage", Martel created a fighting force so terrible, the VIKINGS wouldn't SET FOOT in any territory he controlled, all the way down to his descendant, Charlemagne.
When the US was technologically and numerically outnumbered fighting the British thugs that sought to conquer this country and murder it's citizens, they were sent packing, and sent decisively. When they were stupid enough to come back, they finally learned the wages of stupidity, and never came back. If muslims were to purchase the weaponry they need from the Soviets, Chinese and NORKS, yes, they would launch massive attacks and create worldwide insurgencies, but they would STILL lose.
US military considered using "Total War" as a tactic against Islam - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18030105
I'm in full support of what was done to teach soldiers about total war as a viable tactic for defeating Islam. I say, GOOD JOB to the officer who taught this.
Here is another mindless, trance induced islamic drone, telling everyone that he and islam knows whats better for the world.
demoncrats are the exact same way. A small group is pushing their will onto everyone else.
we must outlaw the Muslim Geo-political insurgent system...it is Evil and the opposite of our Constitutional System..if we allow it to continue to grow in the U.S. we put our very existence in danger...it must be dealt with and it must be dealt with NOW!!!!!
I still say we should ban Islam in the states. Declare it a political faction and an enemy to the state. This is one religion....woops, political faction.....that we cannot afford to allow to grow here. When a religion's goal is to take over every state in the world, their laws and their leadership, it becomes a national security issue and Islam should not be allowed to hide behind our Constitution and freedom of religion. That should only apply to peaceful religions.
I used to advocate the "ban" method, but I realised that total war was a better solution for actually achieving "victory" against said enemy. A ban does nothing to actually defeat Islam; muslims will continue to engage in jihad against all unbelievers; people will still continue to fear for their lives.
Islam deserves no half-measures. It deserves to be absolutely destroyed. No compromise with it. No co-existence with it. It's either Islam or no Islam, there is NO middle ground.
I can't argue with that, but we are a long way from having leaders that will actually do anything to curb the peaceful takeover of Islam....which of course wouldn't be peaceful for long. The current administration calls attacks workplace violence and won't even acknowledge any type of terrorism by muslims in the states as a crime against the state (nation). The first step that I'm looking for is for our leaders to identify who the freaking enemy is.
We now have Mooooslima's in full-on, black burkas walking around our neighborhood - several of them.
Immigration of Moooslims needs to be reduced because they are using immigration as a way to set up Islam on our soil.
The UN (which we need to get the heck out of the US) mandates how many "refugees" come into the US every year. Interesting that there are nothing but muslim "refugees" from places like Somalia and other muslim African states which are persecuting and murdering the Christians. We don't have any of the Christians allowed to claim refugee status.
Yeah, I went to an anti-shariah conference last fall and one of the speakers was a retired pilot from the military. He said he personally had to fly in plane loads of them. He said many were in polygamous relationships and he was told to ignore the polygamy! He said they are bringing in thousands every month and distributing them across the country to mid sized towns.
He said it like it is......muslims should NOT be allowed in our military.
The burka is banned in France. It should be banned here as well. If I can't walk around in a KKK outfit (not that I want to, but to illustrate a point), I cannot. But if I want to go about ina burka (essentially hiding one's identity while out in public), I can.
Muslim mother hid bomb manual in her burka and 'considered turning her children into human bombs' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1224706/Muslim-mother-hid-terrorist-encyclopedia-weapons-making-burka-UK-airport.html
On this site, I’ve detailed several cases of Muslim criminals, terrorist, and others using burkas and niqabs (full Muslim face veils) to try to elude law enforcement and cover up crimes. There’s the niqab cop-killer, the burka Hezbollah terrorist, and burka burka jewel thieves. http://www.debbieschlussel.com/2886/more-burka-clad-crime-the-burka-terrorist/
How are we going to stop it? They hide behind our Constitution with nefarious goals. The left wants to appease Islam, and we will look like Britain before long.
How? Reduce all immigration, across the board. That will prevent or at least slow the creep of Islam and the creep of the "Latino-ization" of the USA and the spread of bilingualism (Spanish).
We have a weak economy with chronic high unemployment. Why are we importing so many people (legally and illegally) in such an economy?
Actually, Keyes starts at 11:30.
Here's two of his quotes worth remembering:
"Before you can enslave a people, you must destroy their sense of right and wrong. For those who cannot distinguish right from wrong will not have the courage to stand for what is right."
He says this is an attack on conscience.
Here's another good qoute: " Liberty is not the first purpose of gov't. The first purpose of gov't stated in the Declaration of Independence, is to secure the unalienable rights, which have come to our humanity from the hand of almighty God."
And yes, you are right, O's "joke" is so unpresidential. He's such a peace of trash.
Here it is Kong, it took me awhile to find it! Their website is convoluted! It was under "health". It's the second video and Keyes starts around 9:30 or so.
Tom Tancredo has written a book called, "In Mortal Danger". I haven't read it, but it's about how we are being destroyed thru illegal immigration and too much legal immigration When Tancredo was running in 2008 I asked him if he'd end muslim immigration and he flat out said, "Yes, I have a list of countries that would not be allowed to have people immigrate here."
Not many politicians would say that.
Alan Keyes has a website as well called www.alankeyes.com
I wasn't able to look at this until today and I couldn't find an article relating to Obamacare protests.
I did see an article about a disgusting joke Obama made.
Talking to Ellen Degenerate (at an LGBT fundraiser), he said....
“I wanna thank, uhhh, my, uh, wonderful friend, uh, who, uh, accepts a little bit of teasing about Michelle beating her in pushups …. but I think she claims Michelle didn’t go all the way down.”
So unpresidential and something you'd never see Reagan or Bush say....or other conservatives as far as that goes. Liberal trash.
Agreed. We should go into a period of 10-15 years of an "immigration time-out" or at least, greatly reduce legal immigration to about 200,000 per year instead of the one million legal and another half to three-quarters of a million illegally allowed to enter each year.
My wife and I now have not one but two Muslima's living four doors down from us who ear full-on, black burkas. Sickening.
Go to www.wnd.com right now. There is an article about people storming the streets against Obamacare yesterday. The second video Keyes speaks. He starts around 9 to 9:30 mark. He nails it.
Agreed. Mass immigration needs to be permanently ended. It is incompatible with modern society and we don't have a wild frontier that we need to populate. We need a good ten years of no immigration and then after that, no more than 100,000 per year and they must be Jewish or Christian. Enough of letting people come here that want to overturn our constitution.
Good luck finding leaders that are willing to stop illegal immigration or to reduce Islamic migration. Political correctness and the constant claim of discrimination is killing us. I say elect Brewer for President.