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Scoop - I know this man personally, and I know him well. He is under police investigation and the content of this testimony is a matter of controversy even within his own family. While I too found the video very moving when I first saw it some years ago, now knowing him and what he is capable of while appearing on many TV shows, I don't lend it much credibility *at all*. Those who have known him since he emigrated to Canada have seen the testimony morph and become more sensational over time.
There are lots of honest converts to Christ out there. I am not sure why you want to promote this situation. It is the sensationalism that got him the gigs, it was the gigs that caused him to confabulate and this led to an ever-expanding story and ever-increasing debauchery in private.
I will be honest as someone who was *way* on the inside of this story. I have *no* idea if anything he says about his supernatural experiences is true. He had a chronic problem with lying.
Perhaps at this point, he is penitent - not sure. Maybe he is still a danger. I don't know. At this point, the police are the ones taking care of this.
Ironically, while the scandal was boiling under the veil of apparent prophethood and piety, it was only the police who really took the matter seriously and took victims at their word. Are the police the more indignant about immorality than the church? At times, it seemed that way.
It is part of the Islamic m.o. to deceive infidels and gain their trust. I woudn't believe a Moslem if he told me that Christmas was Dec 25.
I hope this guy is truly sincere and I wish him well with his walk with Christ. However, I am always skeptical.
No one has asked you to believe it, z b. It is just there for your consideration. By the way, welcome to Scoop. Hope you stick around.
This post ( or thread) by the right side has probably been my all time favorite. Good job!!! keep up the God work....
Russia will not renew the nuclear agreement with the U.S. Can anyone doubt Russia has consultants in Iran, working overtime on its nuclear bomb capabilities? We need more Muslims to see the Light. One day they will, when the battle of Armaggedon will threaten to annihilate humanity, and Jesus Christ returns to save his creations.
The world will not repent from its sins, but, as individuals, we can.
It seems ironic that the nations that want to destroy western nations and Israel, are fervently believing and using the Koran for inspiration.
It is the wrong belief. While they believe, western nations have been turning away from the true religion, just as prohesy predicted. They will not refer to the truth of prohesy in Revelations from the Bible. Not only that, but turning towards socialism and risking the next step to communism.
That man converted to believing in Jesus Christ. Good, but will he follow the Ten Commandments?
We all would like to experience 'seeing' and hearing Jesus. In the meantime, we can ask Jesus to help us and our loved ones for whatever is worthwhile, that will be in the glory of God. That includes healing. I know it works, because a special healing happened to me. It was by believing as much as 100% as possible that Jesus had already healed me.
When I had my medical check up, the doctors were very surprised, and so was I. Not because I doubted Jesus would help me, but because of the realization that it worked. As long as the devil is on Earth, we will fall and sin when we don't want to. It's the repentance and prayers for forgiveness that helps us to sin less frequently, with the goal of abandoning our worse sins..
I hope he will be a key to other muslim conversions.
I don't believe that it's ironic that nations against the West and Israel are Muslim. Look at the thread RS has on Walid Shoebat on Islam being of the beast. It's very interesting. Walid makes a lot of good points and only uses the bible and his knowledge of Islam (being a former Muslim himself) to prove it.
Hi White...Love the comments you make.---Sooo refreshing. Last summer, I watched a tiny transparent insect on my sister's outside wall of her house. It was only a quarter of an inch long, and half as wide---just enough for me to see the white color of the wall. What an example of God's creational powers.
The important thing to remember here and in EACH and EVERY case where we see "enlightenment" from ex-Muslims is that they were taught to taqqiyah. It's as natural to them as a call of nature.
RightScoop is a softy.
As much as I would like to place 100% of the blame on the guy in the WH, he had help. His "helpers" are otherwise known as the American voter. Those who voted for him chose to believe the lies the media spoon fed the populace. Not that in the future the left will just occupy the WH regardless of voters, but at least last month it wasn't totally possible.
Further, Jesus would reveal Himself (not necessarily physically) to those who actually ask.
And bottom line, which is the corker to those who belong to God, He has said IF those who are called by His Name would change THEIR wicked ways, He would heal their land...(paraphrasing 2 Chronicles 7:14).
Good Sunday morning one and all.
Yesterday as this thread was building at great speeds, someone posted a link about Javid as to accusations...... I clicked on it and it left me even more puzzeled as it was a dead end. If anyone has anything to add, please do so.
I thought his testimony was very compelling and I want to share with our four children. Before I did this, I didn't want them to come back to me later to say "dad, this man is a liar and fraud" by researching on their own. Or does that even matter?
Maybe its own long work hours and stress but I'm torn as to share this video via email or not.
I saw the debate that was going on and I came back later to re view the video. That too was very good compelling {reading} to say the least. My, some here are quite interesting in their views.
I'm asking for {advice}.
Why should anyone doubt or be surprised that a Muslim would meet Jesus Christ in a jail cell or in some small village in Trashcanistan. It is happening all of the time. What you think that God has some sort of limited powers or something? N'est-ce pas? Uh more like au contraire.
Get with the program people. In Iran, the majority is tired of Islam. Christianity is the fastest growing religion. Yeah so is atheism in that country. Christianity is making huge inroads throughout the Muslim world.
I have read many accounts of Jesus Christ actually appearing to Muslims in person or in dreams. Signs and Wonders? You betcha.
Some don't trust converted Muslims. Well, the rubber meets the road on the question of Israel. Those that use terms like "resistence" to justify the murders of Jews or "occupation" to describe the existence of the state of Israel are to be ignored.
Consistent allies such as Shoebat, Dawish, Khalili and many others like them are the ones to trust.
Oh and ignor the enemedia reports on these fine people. The agenda of the media is the same: to lie, and attempt to discredit these folk because of their supposed "islamophobia" with faux reportage.
Its too bad that this testimony is tainted by Jovd's affair at his church.
However, his testimony is still a powerful reminder that the Great I Am, the Lamb that was Slain, who is praised forevermore, is the Great Itah that Muslims seek.
Its not mine to give. I stole it from someone in here awhile back. But I'm sure he won't mind. :p)
That'd be like my brother asking me to borrow my neighbor's tools. Oh sure I'll just go across the street and get them for you. Don't think so.
Notice I said "borrow" so you need only "lend" which makes the offense much lesser and easier to plea bargain :):):) We are all family and share our toys well with one another.
Well this is just great--if it's true. There's alot of religion in prison.
Why in the back of my mind I remember that:
Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."
As a Christian, I am always excited to hear about people coming to true, saving faith in Jesus Christ. However, I was extremely disappointed to hear him reject Jesus Christ as Lord. He said God had only manifested himself in Jesus Christ. However, that is not enough. God did not simply manifest himself in a human named Jesus. Jesus Christ IS God.
Here are a few verses, which is the authority all Christians speak on, that state that Jesus is God. There are also many, many more.
"I and the Father are one." John 10:30
The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." John 10:33
Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us."
Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works. John 14:8-10
Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" John 20:28
Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
Philippians 2:5-7
This is not a minor error to be taken lightly. This is a damning error that will determine your eternal fate. I pray that he will read the word of God and come to know that Jesus Christ IS Lord. The good news is that He will forgive us of our sins if we repent of our sins and
place our trust in Him.
If you confess with your mouth Jesus AS Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved.” Romans 10:9
your judgement on others is why people turn to becoming athiest. Get over your factual self. Your interpretation of the testimony above is yours and not his. His will help others. Yours will not.
I don't understand your objection and I wonder if you might have misheard or misunderstood what Javid said? Where in his testimony did he reject Jesus Christ as Lord? Or say that Jesus Christ is not God? Or that Jesus Christ is simply a human in whom God manifested himself? In fact, Javid said that Jesus IS God over and over as these quotes show:
"You [Jesus] are the mighty God that is spoken of and you provide so quickly."
"This is the story of Almighty God that is able and that is searching for all seeking hearts with all his strength and power."
"They [Muslims] ask, "is Jesus Christ God? Can a human being become God?" Of course, NEVER!...but can a God, this great God become man? Can he show himself in the body of a man? Yes, he can."
"And so as Christians, we do not say "Jesus Christ is the son of a god because God had a child," no, no, no, but God showed himself in the body of Jesus Christ to all humanity."
"Ask in the name of Jesus, you will receive it because he IS the almighty God."
When you say "He said God had only manifested himself in Jesus Christ," it sounds like you are saying that Javid's belief is that "God just took over an otherwise human person who happen to be named Jesus Christ" but that is not what he said at all. What Javid said is that the common Muslim argument that Jesus Christ cannot be God because a human cannot become God, is an invalid argument. Yes, a human cannot become God, but Jesus is NOT a human who became God, He is God who took on a human body. And that is exactly in line with Scripture, and in fact, in line with the rest of what you wrote in your post.
Hmmmm... sounds like a heavy dose of "Covenant Theology" with a dash or two of "Lordship Salvation"
Glad your in the word friend, even gladder you're in Christ!
There is no dispute that Jesus Christ is Lord. Nevertheless, with regard to muslims, I would be pleased to hear you accentuate the state of the believer IN CHRIST, as a co-heir with Christ
Again, there is no dispute regarding the headship of Christ over the body. But it is not without cause that the scripture says, "that he might be the first born among many brothers." Rom 8:29
and
The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him. Rom 8:16-17
Muslims don't have any of that "God becoming like us", they are very emphatic that "god cannot have a son" and men are always servants of god. That is why the pinacle of their forhead must be prostrated to the surface of the ground in submission every time they pray.
If you're going to share with them the glorious good news, why not cast that beam of Truth that brings the most illumination to their darkness in the corners of their heart furthest obstructed by deception.
We can share more of the details with them as they grow in grace and the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
"There is NO OTHER NAME under heaven by which we may be saved."
"Who has the Son has life; who does not have the Son does not have life."
Scripture is very plain on this point.
It sounds to me then like he is saved, because he is unquestionably claiming the Son as the almighty God and his savior.
As a Christian, I am always excited to hear about people coming to true, saving faith in Jesus Christ. However, I was extremely disappointed to hear him reject Jesus Christ as Lord. He said God had only manifested himself in Jesus Christ. However, that is not enough. God did not simply manifest himself in a human named Jesus. Jesus Christ IS God.
Here are a few verses, which is the authority all Christians speak on, that state that Jesus is God. There are also many, many more.
"I and the Father are one." John 10:30
The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." John 10:33
Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us."
Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works. John 14:8-10
Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" John 20:28
Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
Philippians 2:5-7
This is not a minor error to be taken lightly. This is a damning error that will determine your eternal fate. I pray that he will read the word of God and come to know that Jesus Christ IS Lord. The good news is that He will forgive us of our sins if we repent of our sins and
place our trust in Him.
If you confess with your mouth Jesus AS Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved.” Romans 10:9
So is he elect or not David? Or does he have to wait with you utill judgement day to find out if he made Jesus Christ LORD enough?
You do recall that the Corinthian dude who was sleeping with his Dad's wife with full knowledge of the Corinthian believers was in jeopardy that Paul commanded "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
The dude was a believer.........dude was behaving like the Corinthians (well actually worse).........Pauls says if he won't listen and change is practice, turn him over to satan.......dude's spirit will still be saved in the day of the LORD JESUS.
Muslims are like the Corinthians in that when they turn to faith in Jesus Christ, there's a lot of sh@# to unpack about what life in Christ entails. Lots of Truth that is new to them.....lots of old 'truth' they gotta distinguish between.....lots of anti-semitism to figure out......marital practices, etc. You're supposed to be the mature believer restoring the brother.
Watch out which way you swing that "Lordship salvation" mattox, you may take your own head off or dig a pit that others fall in...........and Mr. Bema seat ain't gonna be happy you dun shuvd a brotha outda race
When did I bring up anything about election, limited atonement, or any other reformed theological belief? I largely quoted scripture affirming that Jesus Christ is Lord. Believing that Jesus Christ is Lord is an essential tenet of the Christian faith. If you do not believe Jesus Christ is Lord, then you are not a Christian.
Are Christians not to use any discernment? Is it loving to let a person continue down a wrong path? Should we also affirm the teachings of false teachers that deceive many people? Did Paul not confront Peter in Galations? Was Paul being too judgmental?
Well said. There is only One God and if anyone does not understand that Jesus is God come in the Flesh, to take the sins of the world on Himself, to be The Way, The Truth, The Life, then they have missed the mark indeed.
God said He would give His Glory to no other and besides Him there was no other God.
There is only One on the Throne. Amen and Amen.
And that Jesus is God come in the flesh to take the sins of the world and be the Way, the Truth, and the Life is exactly what Javid said in his testimony, is it not?
Yes, why would He? Jesus obviously did not, Javid had been praying to and was one with Satan from the beginning. Javid fulfilled his grandfather mission of bringing the antichrist faith to Christians.
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