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First of all:
The Prophet Mohammed (peace and blessings be upon him) never raped anyone. All those women he married? yeah it was to save them for worse fates. back the, women had no rights, especially not widowed women, so by marrying them he was protecting them.
Second, the mere fact that Mohammed dictated things in the Quran that no one could possibly know anything about at the time let alone write about, should be proof enough that he didn't just "Make it all up" as you say: check out this site http://www.jannah.org/articles/quransci.html
Third, Sharia law is not some scroll you can onroll and read out and proclaim like a decree from the King of the land, Sharia is what it is called when you take your interpretation of the teachings of islam and use them as your guidelines to follow for life.
and those are just three things wrong with this video. morons.
Bravo, but I am afraid you are wasting your breath. I'm new to the site, and just wanted to thank you and the others for your search for the truth and for getting it out there. Islam, including the "moderate" practitioners won't be happy until they use 21st century technology to bomb us back to the 3rd century. It's amazing how these self righteous people can scream for religious tolerance while never being tolerant of any other religions. Thanks again....
Go right ahead and turn the other cheek to those who'd not hesitate in chopping your head off...
im a christian and believe in my lord and savior JESUS CHRIST!!! my beliefs teach me to love for it is the most important commandment. so let me say that i love all of you and hope that your beliefs in life bring you the happiness you are looking for, and more importantly bring you the "after life", the "true life..." we are all looking for. GOD Bless! chase wilson. inkbychase@facebook
That's funny, the openly homosexual Rev. V. Gene Robinson (male), Rev. Ellen Barrett (female) are alive and kicking.
In relation to what you've said (referencing the video contents) regarding the "writers" of the Bible, let me inform you of what Bible-believing Christians (and historically what Jews) proclaim about the Scriptures.
Both Christians and Jews believe (the Jews sometimes to a lesser degree) that every word of Scripture is "God-breathed" and that He inspired the people via prophesy (or visions, or any other means God chose to use) to have different individuals write the different texts down. The Bible is the Word made flesh; i.e. Jesus is the Word, for Christians.
It is a common mistake for our generation (due to our biblical illiteracy resulting from our scrubbing of religious teaching from our educational system), that people often state that the Bible (including the Old Testament, which contains the Jewish scriptures: the Torah, the histories or chronologies, and the prophets) were "written" by men over "hundreds" of years. However, the Christian believes that the Scripture is the literal word of God; there are no contradictions that are contained in the Scriptures WHEN READ IN CONTEXT. So often Bible critics, atheists, and others pluck verses or phrases out of context and use them to justify a mind-set, or to condemn/declare the Scriptures as fiction, etc. The New Testament of the Bible reveals how God has saved the world by sending the Savior - Jesus Christ. He is the ultimate sacrifice, the perfect "atonement" for the sins of man; thus, there is grace and forgiveness for all people. The Quran offers none of this.
The Quran is believed to have been, as you said, sent to Muhammed via Allah's messenger the "archangel Gabriel", speaking for Allah (the Arabic word for god). Muhammed simply wrote down what the "angel" said to him. But Islam has raised Muhammed and the Quran as equal to Allah; to state otherwise is apostasy. No grace or mercy, no forgiveness, no way to atone for sins are in the Quran. Completely the opposite of the Christian Bible (and the Torah).
As a Christian, I believe that the Bible is God's word. I also believe that the "angel Gabriel" was not sent from God, but was rather (if it happened at all - you may be right and Muhammed just made it up!) was a vision sent by Satan to deceive, first Muhammed and later any who follow Allah. I do not condemn others who choose to follow Islam. In our country, we have the freedom to believe - or not - in whatever religion we choose. I personally believe, however, that they are following a deceiver, and have deified a man (Muhammed) and his rambling Quran (yes, I have most of it). Only a false prophet and no true God would allow - actually encourage! - lying and killing anyone (including genocide) who will not submit, as the way to spread a religion. As the video says, Islam is a totalitarian political philosophy more than a true religion. Thus the trend toward Ayatollahs and dictators in the Muslim Middle East.
The video is accurate from what I have studied on world religions, based on reading multiple works, including Muslim writers and those of other religions as well. This makes fascinating study; do the research, as the video says. Read the Bible. Read the Quran. Learn about how Muslims in history, and again today, "require submission." That is, after all, what Islam means, literally: submission. Not forgiveness, not salvation, not grace, not mercy. Submission.
This is the best, most simply put yet effective explanation of the enemy we face I've yet seen. Excellent! Thank you for sharing!!!
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History proves Islam is anything but a peaceful & tolerant religion. The Muslims have a saying" "First destroy the Saturday People (Jews)...then the Sunday People (Christians.) And when Muslims tire of killing or converting non-Muslims, they go after other Muslims, i.e. the 10 year Iran-Iraq War resulting in the deaths of over one Million Muslims. Ninety to ninety-five percent of all conflicts on this planet today involve Muslims fighting non-Muslims or each other.
Muhammad had 13 wives, eleven at one time. Among these was one a child of nine, named Aisha. Additionally the serial adulterer and pedophile had multitudes of slave girls & concubines. Seems to me - many of today's Cult Leaders could learn a thing or two from Muhammad. What puzzles me is with all these wives, slave girls & concubines, Muhammad didn't have one male son to carry on his killing machine. If he was so holy - spoke to the Supreme Being, etc., how come no heir..... why not a successor?
In short, September 11, 2001, tells me all I need to know about Islam.......
...and one more thing about this whole "OUR" Republic 'concern' (don't join the long list of fools who have UNDERestimated... the AMERICAN Spirit. This is, indeed, OUR COUNTRY):
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/video/video.php?v=144133698949751
Some poor bastards seem to be a bit confused as to where CM Sackett stands on things. Just so there are NO misconceptions on this, and several other things this country is facing... I've decided to channel my INNER PATTON.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyUX6wV1lBQI'm CM Sackett, and I damn-sure approved this video! :O)
Why is “Anonymous” allowed to post anonymously; one of very few who rant hatefilled speech and we can’t research him?
Heart attacks don’t infest the multitudes and poses no threat to take over the world.
No one (in the know) even suggests the New Testament supersedes the Old. As Jesus said, He came to complete the old, not to change it. The 10 Commandments are wholly in line with biblical teaching. Leviticus does not, as you say, “ban” gay sex- such a view shows your ignorance as well as the state of your heart.
And yes, I own America, but I don’t expect you to understand the context. Each and every one of us “own” this republic, like a little tiny piece of a 3-D picture still possess the entire view. But again, I am sure you have a problem with understanding- not an intellectual problem, but a spiritual/emotional one.
Sheria Law is a threat, not just to women, but to the fabric of Natural Law.
Anonymous is the heart attack waiting to happen
No, they dished out THEIR version of the what they believed the Christianity was and since then we have come up with over 32,000 plus different varieties! Study history...not just Protestant history!
Dittos CM...
Jesus, the GOOD man, has many enemies.
And, if I may bring in just a little bit of theology...
Lift Up Jesus Only And Jesus Will Lift You Up... See You At The Resurrection
Art
STOP! Islamization Of America
Can't say I was aware of everything there, but none of it took me by surprise. I think there are peaceful, tolerant Muslims out there, but they are probably not very religious.
If the practice of later texts abrogating earlier texts were applied to the Bible then the peaceful texts would abrogate the seemingly violent ones.
I forgot...
Thanks, CM, for the reminder of TheReligionOfPeace . com site.
If you have the opportunity, before I do to, in the future, um, you know, educate our friends, let them know that they can download for free the book
>> "The Prophet Of Doom - Islam's Terrorist Dogma In Muhammad's Own Words".
For the "misunderstanders" of Islam, it will help them to understand Islam.
Art
STOP! Islamization Of America
We all tiptoe around the sensibilities of medieval fanatics, we take pains not to offend scum who cheer suicide bombers, stone their loved ones for sexual mis-steps, we pussyfoot to protect the delicate psyche of people who amputate hands of petty thieves, issue fatwas on novelists and cover up their hapless wives and sisters to the eyeballs. Freedom of speech was vital in that "miraculous transition" and it's under attack from guess who?
Wherever islam gained a foothold and became the state religion the backwardness, the oppression of women, the refusal to accept other religions unless it accepts a second-class status, are all endemic to islam. If islam calls the world of unbelievers Dar al Harb, the world of war, why can’t you understand that?
What fascinates me about the current controversy surrounding the WTC mosque and islam in general is how little most of the defenders actually seem to know about islam and its Sharia law. Even if you don't know the barbaric nature of islam doesn't mean you will not pay for it in the end with you head in a bucket.
The fact that we, today, are witnessing a disproportionate amount of islamic inspired crime when there is such a small number of muslims in America should be enough proof and warning, yet you compare an ideology that inspires such atrocities with car accidents, cancer, and house fires.
Bless your heart, we finally found SOMETHING that "disturbs" you. It's just too bad it's not a foreign theocracy, with a 1300+ year easily-verified history, RIFE with rape, murder, torture, enslavement and filthy actions of all imaginable sorts, and its OFT and loudly SELF-PROCLAIMED designs on the:
* DESTRUCTION
* OVERTHROW
* SUBJEGATION
* TORTURE (oh yes, there are thousands upon thousands of video/audio/print declarations from them on this subject)
* ERADICATION
...of ALL non-muslim peoples, AROUND THE GLOBE (but ESPECIALLY in OUR Republic).
Which brings me to your badawī trader twist on things (yessir, have dealt with a 'few'...).
The use of the term "our" is in reference to American citizens who do NOT hate this Republic AS IT WAS FOUNDED, citizens who are PROUD and THANKFUL for the character, insight, wisdom and sacrificial COURAGE of the FOUNDING FATHERS (and mothers), and who know the difference between FOREBEARANCE... and the gutless bayonet of communism, socialism, 'progress'ivism and all other forms of elitist RULE-vs-inalienable RIGHTS... "TOLERANCE".
...and we, THE PEOPLE will 'tolerate' NO MORE rape, weakening, watering down, insidious poisoning or 'NWO'/'International "law"'-ing of OUR Constitution, or the nation it serves as a foundational document for.
I speak ONLY for myself.
...but there is a growing multitudinous CHORUS of LIKE-MINDED, LIKE-PASSIONED AMERICAN CITIZENS who, like me, are quite happy for the muslims, the illegals, the progressives and ALL OTHER haters of this Republic to "pursue happiness"...
...in one of the MANY places on this orb that are already ruined by those pursuits. This is OUR country. We already have a history, a way of life and a FUTURE based on same... and we will NOT give it up.
In that regard, HELL NO, I AM NOT "tolerant". And make no apologies about it.
Sackett
Based on the idea that later verses of the Koran abrogate former, logic would dictate that even if Islam recognized either Testament (ho ho), the Koran in its entirety would abrogate those, too?
"The reason I don't research the name is because I don't care about the name."
The REASON you don't research such things is because you are a dumbarse, or a muslim.
...but I repeat myself.
If you equate the calculating, fevered thuggery of islam to natural disasters and disease... and if the imagery of the FACTS I presented bring no more response from your 'heart' than the triazolamic puke just posted above... there is no more for you.And as for "spam"? Let's see... I've seen that "I know you are, but what am I?!" grade school line in many a mediamatters and huffpuff jobber posts....and with all afternoon to do research on goople, you have NO FACTS.That's SPAM.SackettOh, BTW... there's nothing "private" about my convictions and thoughts about islam, or the dogs that lap at its stagnant pool. And you bet your worthless arse, I will work till my last breath to expel it from our LAND, our REPUBLIC and its position of growing power through FEAR in the hearts of fellow American citizens.
You vomited the following:
"So I don't feel like asking too much if I suggest we better not engage in a cultural war over this issue."...and this little putrid beauty:"All I am asking for is a little more effort to help Islam accomplish the same level of moral standards as christianity."I've seen similar shrewdness before... from a muslim dog-plant (remember, it's ok to LIE, for allah?).Whether you be muslim or not matters not to me. Your utter indifference to the linked heart-shredding agony and suffering (let alone all the other salient, historic FACTS... NOT A SINGLE ONE OF WHICH YOU DENIED OR REFUTED... another red flag) and sedated (see reference above... goople it if you don't know what it is) "pleas" for "tolerance" "patience" and "Give Peas A Chance" like tripe.... makes you, at best, useless to those who DO love this Republic.I have NO PROBLEM with muslims "perfecting" themselves and their "religion" of "peace"... as long as they practice that 'perfecting' IN THEIR OWN DAMN COUNTRIES....told you there was nothing 'private' about it.
Your effort in English (if a non-speaker) is STELLAR (very, very good!)!
Your input thus far, likewise.
CM Sackett
"You appear to be charging me of hypocrisy but I can't exactly figure out how."
Really?
Here's a few reminder items, just for starters:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lKZqqSI9-s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mz0_x7313I&feature=related
...you (honestly, edited... ONLY FOR RS' sake). TO HELL WITH YOUR "position".
Do the names "NICK BERG" or "DANIEL PEARL" ring any bells (I will NOT post any links to their GUTLESS murders.
...you (honestly, edited... ONLY FOR RS' sake). TO HELL WITH YOUR "position".
Or, the ACHILLE LAURO... and the cur-dog murder of Mr. Leon Klinghoffer (wheelchair bound AMERICAN)
Movie segment about his murder...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-oUU4cu6T4
...TO HELL WITH YOUR "position".
The attack on the U.S.S. COLE
(tribute) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=069RiGTxG0Q&feature=related
...TO HELL WITH YOUR "position".
Date Country City/State Killed Injured Description
4/14/1972 USA New York, NY 1 3 Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one.
1/19/1973 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 1 Muslim extremists rob a sporting goods store for weapons, gunning down a police officer who responds to the alarm.
7/18/1973 USA Washington, DC 8 2 Nation of Islam members shoot seven members of a family to death in cold blood, including four children. A defendant in the case is later murdered in prison on orders from Elijah Muhammad.
10/19/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 Nation of Islam terrorists kidnap a couple and nearly decapitate the man, while raping and leaving the woman for dead.
10/29/1973 USA Berkeley, CA 1 0 A woman is shot repeatedly in the face by Nation of Islam terrorists.
11/25/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A grocer is killed in his store by Nation of Islam terrorists.
12/11/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is killed by Nation of Islam terrorists while using a phone booth.
12/13/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A woman is shot to deah on the sidewalk by Nation of Islam terrorists.
12/20/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 Nation of Islam terrorists gun down an 81-year-old janitor.
12/22/1973 USA Oakland, CA 2 0 Nation of Islam terrorist kills two people in separate attacks on the same day.
12/24/1973 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is kidnapped, tortured and decapitated by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1/24/1974 USA Oakland, CA 4 1 Five vicious shooting attacks by Nation of Islam terrorists leave three people dead and one paralyzed for life. Three of the victims were women.
4/1/1974 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 A Nation of Islam terrorist shoots at two Salvation Army members, killing a man and injuring a woman.
4/16/1974 USA Ingleside, CA 1 0 A man is killed while helping a friend move by Nation of Islam terrorists.
3/9/1977 USA Washington, DC 1 1 Hanifi Muslims storm three buildings including a B'nai B'rith to hold 134 people hostage. At least two innocents were shot and one died.
7/22/1980 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 A political dissident is shot and killed in front of his home by an Iranian agent who was an American convert to Islam.
8/31/1980 USA Savou, IL 2 0 An Iranian student guns down his next-door neighbors, a husband and wife.
11/6/1989 USA St. Louis, MO 1 0 A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing 'dishonor' to their family by dating an 'infidel' African-American.
1/31/1990 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid.
11/5/1990 USA New York City, NY 1 0 An Israeli rabbi is shot to death by a Muslim attacker at a hotel.
1/25/1993 USA Langley, VA 2 3 A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters.
2/26/1993 USA New York, NY 6 1040 Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers.
3/1/1994 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 0 A Muslim fires on a vanload of Jewish boys, killing one.
3/23/1997 USA New York, NY 1 6 A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoot seven people in a Fedayeen attack.
4/3/1997 USA Lompoc, CA 1 0 A prison guard is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim.
10/31/1999 USA Near Nantucket 217 0 An Egyptian airline pilot runs a planeload of 217 passengers into the water after uttering a Qur'anic prayer.
3/17/2000 USA Atlanta, GA 1 1 A local imam and Muslim spiritual leader guns down a deputy sheriff and injures his partner.
9/11/2001 USA Shanksville, PA 40 0 Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building.
9/11/2001 USA New York, NY 2752 251 Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.
9/11/2001 USA Washington, DC 184 53 Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon.
3/19/2002 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.
5/27/2002 USA Denton, TX 1 0 Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.
7/4/2002 USA Los Angeles, CA 2 0 Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.
9/5/2002 USA Clinton, MD 1 0 A 55-year-old pizzaria owner is shot six times in the back by Muslims at close range.
9/21/2002 USA Montgomery, AL 1 1 Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.
9/23/2002 USA Baton Rouge, LA 1 0 A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.
10/2/2002 USA Wheaton, MD 1 0 Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.
10/3/2002 USA Montgomery County, MD 5 0 Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.
10/9/2002 USA Manassas, VA 1 1 A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.
10/11/2002 USA Fredericksburg, VA 1 0 Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.
10/14/2002 USA Arlington, VA 1 0 A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.
10/22/2002 USA Aspen Hill, MD 1 0 A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.
8/6/2003 USA Houston, TX 1 0 After undergoing a religious revival, a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.
12/2/2003 USA Chicago, IL 1 0 A Muslim doctor deliberately allows a Jewish patient to die from an easily treatable condition.
4/13/2004 USA Raleigh, NC 1 4 A Muslim man runs down five strangers with a car.
4/15/2004 USA Scottsville, NY 1 2 In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.
6/16/2006 USA Baltimore, MD 1 0 A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim gunman in an unprovoked terror attack.
6/25/2006 USA Denver, CO 1 5 Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.
7/28/2006 USA Seattle, WA 1 5 An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.
10/6/2006 USA Louisville, KY 4 1 In an 'honor' attack, a Muslim man rapes and beats his estranged wife, leaving her for dead, then savagely murders their four children.
2/13/2007 USA Salt Lake City, UT 5 4 A Muslim immigrant goes on a shooting rampage at a mall, targeting people buying Valentine's Day cards at a gift shop and killing five.
1/1/2008 USA Irving, TX 2 0 A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.
7/6/2008 USA Jonesboro, GA 1 0 A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.
2/12/2009 USA Buffalo, NY 1 0 The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.
6/1/2009 USA Little Rock, AR 1 1 A Muslim with 'religious motives' shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center.
11/2/2009 USA Glendale, AZ 1 1 A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.'
11/5/2009 USA Ft. Hood, TX 13 31 A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.
12/4/2009 USA Binghamton, NY 1 0 A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for 'persecuted' Muslims.
4/14/2010 USA Marquette Park, IL 5 2 After quarrelling with his wife over Islamic dress, a Muslim convert shoots his family members to 'take them back to Allah' and out of the 'world of sinners'.
(3,315 killed by Muslims in America in 68 terror attacks)
SOURCE LINK: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/AmericanAttacks.htm
...TO HELL WITH YOUR "position".
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Even with ALL THIS (if you didn't know it... double shame upon you ~ that's as nice as I can say it in a public forum), you have the 'progressive' GALL to say this:
"You are completely overstating the threat coming from Islam. Over the last decade you were more likely to drown in your bathtub or be struck by lightning."
...as if it's a (edited out) NATURAL DISASTER!
And then THIS 'tolerant', arrogant piece:
"But if you want to prevent mosques from being built and muslim schools from attempting to provide services similar to christian schools, just because you are scared some fanatic might kill us all, then we have a disagreement."
"DISAGREEMENT"?
Oh, it's far more than a disagreement.
CM Sackett
They not only believe that Muhammad is a perfect example, but their God, Allah, even commends them to obey Muhammad (for example Q.3:131-132, Q.4.80 etc).
That's one reason of many, why you can't discard the Sunnah!
Yeah, the roman catholic church politicized the Christian faith to consolidate its power. But then came Luther, Calvin and Zwingli with the Reformation, i.e. they went back to the root of the faith, the Gospel of Jesus Christ!
Since you brought it up, as to the Cordoba house, I oppose its location not it's existence.However I suggest that you do a little more research as to the context of it's name. We have been and are in a cultural war for some time,just because the full blown violence has not reached our shores as of yet does not mean that it is not on its way. Warning of this is hardly overstating the danger,but, if you choose to ignore the facts of the gathering storm that's up to you. At this point they do not possess the ability to "kill us all" however in view the killing of even a handful is unacceptable and must not go unchallenged,So yeah we disagree.
Yes, you're right! In the OLD testament (or Torah) there are some gruesome passages!
But,
- they are descriptive
- limited in time and place
- I don't think you've read the article I've posted
Here we go again: Are Judaism and Christianity as Violent as Islam? http://www.meforum.org/2159/are-judaism-and-christianity-as-violent-as-islam
I don't think he's overstating! The video talks about "creeping sharia" and that's exactly what happens here in Europe. Slowly but steady our freedom perish!
Besides, it's not about forbidding a mosque, but the main issue is, that nobody has the balls to criticize Islam, out of fear! But we should be proud of our freedom of speech and criticize the scriptures of Islam, as we do with all other Religions!
@ndes
If you think you can reform/transform Islam, go ahead and try it. I will support you. But there are some problems:
- Reformation à la Christianity exists already in Islam, it's called Wahabism
- A relatively peaceful transformation also exist. They are called Ahmadiyyas and are tiny minority. Moreover, they are brutally persecuted by "rightly guided" Muslims
Here's a nice article by Ali Sina on this subject:
Ali Sina on The Illusion of Reforming Islam
http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/04/19/the-illusion-of-reforming-islam/
EXACTLY. Christianity WAS hijacked by sun-worshippers and pagans who saw Christianity as nothing but a tool to subdue their subjects.
So if I am reading you correctly here ndes, you are asking us to patiently wait out a couple of hundred more years of Islamic "growing pains"? Something you seem to be leaving out here from your analysis of Christianity's "growing pains" is the fact that when this was happening violence in the name of one's faith was carried out "eye to eye" with modern and even improvised methods of the technology of war, it is no longer required to be eye to eye with your opponent. I for one am not prepared to sit idly by while a group of fanatics seek for a second time in their rigid medieval mindset attempt once again to overrun the West to establish a new Caliphate or Dar-il Islam to impose their theology on those who have rejected it. You cannot help those whom would refuse your help, as they view this as proselytizing, for which the punishment under their own law is death.
Written by...
That's a good point Jaynie59. However, if I may, a friendly quibble...
The moderator's point is not "who" wrote the Qur'an, but that it was "written" by only one man during his life time... and then the prophetic revelation stopped... dead.
As a Christian without portfolio, i.e., no denomination to promote, I believe as you do as an atheist, "... Mohammed made up the Koran himself ... ."
From my 21st century perspective about Muhammad and based on what has been written during the last 1400 years about him by informed acolytes,
- Muhammad was a tyrant and also a lecher...
- who used his angel Gabriel hot-line to his crescent moon god Allah
- to enrich himself with wealth and women...
- and 9 year old girls...
- and, yes, he liked to suck the tongues of boys too...
- as well as sometimes hugging, while naked, some adults who visited him.
That's not me making that up, that is the Hadith history written by the acolytes of Muhammad.
Muhammad is still dead and buried in his grave... until his resurrection by Jesus, who is still alive since his own resurrection... but, I digress.
The "written by" is a minor and moot point, but you're correct.
Art
STOP! Islamization Of America
Some words from the holy book...
Good point, CM...
>> "So, which is the problem... the BOOK, or the PEOPLE?"
>> "... THE BOOK, ITSELF... is what makes 'islam' what it IS..."
Here are some verses from Pamela Geller about what the Qur'an says about Jews, AtlasShrugs".
The last one Pamela lists is a despicable smear against the God of Abraham (... and Sarah), Isaac, Jacob (renamed Israel), Moses, David, Jesus...
>> Allah transforms disobedient Jews into apes and pigs (2:63-66; 5:59-60; 7:166).
Art
STOP! Islamization Of America
Uhmm, you may wish to go over your thoughts (in the future) before posting. You may not have realized the rather unsubtle dichotomy you set up for yourself...
AS PERTAINS TO "Christianity":
"Now in the present we can clearly see that it wasn't christianity (or the scriptures it's based on) at fault but humans violent interpretation of the religion."
AS PERTAINS TO islam:
"But the video is unnecessarily directing all it's attention to the Qur'an rather than to the muslims themselves."
HUH?
So, which is the problem... the BOOK, or the PEOPLE?
The NEW TESTAMENT (from which people learn about God's 'new' covenant with ALL mankind... and how to obtain release from the chains of our own actions, and sonship/daughtership with God, through the finished work of His son, JESUS), by even a cursory reading, clearly teaches FAR DIFFERENT thought pattern and actions from those cruelly propagated by the Inquisitors, many crusaders, the jealous and SMALL Salemite "witch" hunters, etc.
THE BOOK PROVES IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO WERE WRONG/DANGEROUS.
...but as Art may soon show you (and all curious to actually KNOW), the koran... THE BOOK, ITSELF... is what makes 'islam' what it IS...
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I'm sorry, tell me again about that "unnecessary" part...
...well done, Jaynie. Thank you.
One point of 'counter' interest perhaps ~ I've known muslims who did not believe that. That is what led me to check into the same things this article points to:
http://www.submission.org/illiteracy.html
Sackett
I know one thing that's even better!
Read the Qur'an, the aHadith, the Sirat Rasul Allah, Tabaris History Volume 6-10, Tafsir Ibn Kathir etc. by yourself!
When you don't have the time, then watch at least the live debates between Christians and Muslims at http://www.answeringmuslims.com/ and then you can decide...
thank you, thank you, thank you.
Tweet and Facebook the living shiate out of this, y'all!
Oh, and dear NearDeathExperienceS,
First, landing anywhere 700 years ago would put you about... FORTY YEARS AFTER the last crusade ended.
OOPS.
Second, you are absolutely correct on one point... what "man" has done, in the name of CHRIST (the Master of all, and Lord of some of us), has, in many instances and times... been gutlessly Evil and cur-dog WICKED.
However, there is a CLEAR line of difference between His words... and their actions, to any and all reasonable... UNgutless men.
...the islamic hoard perpetrating the heinous acts (over 1300 years) can point DIRECTLY to HUNDREDS of clear quotes and commands... IN THEIR BOOK that not only 'allow' their actions... but DEMAND THEM.
Big difference.
CM Sackett
Why is it...
Sentence 2 - "... the video is unnecessarily ... ."
Islam IS the Qur'an, not the Muslim people themselves. Without the Qur'an there would be no Muhammad, no Islam, no Muslim.
ndes, you ask in your last sentence...
>> "Why is it that the peaceful muslims are constantly treated as the exception rather than the violent muslims?"
In a Forbes.com interview, Mosab Yousef, author of "Son Of Hamas" said,
>> Yousef began to question Islam.
>> He compares it in his book to a tall ladder
>> --a deadly ladder
>> --with prayer at the bottom,
>> charity and good works on higher rungs
>> and jihad as the highest rung.
>> He describes traditional Muslims as
>> dwelling at the foot of the ladder,
>> "living in guilt for not really practicing Islam."
>> Higher up are the moderates,
>> whom Yousef sees as dangerous because
>> you never know when they might take that next step:
>> "Most suicide bombers began as moderates." And,
>> "At the top are fundamentalists,
>> the ones you see in the news
>> killing women and children
>> for the glory of the god of the Qur'an."
Art
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