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I would have liked to hear that he would not allow special discount or no pay tuition, hc or other free services for illegal's that our citizens cannot get.
History. Your idea has been thought out, tried, and failed. Until the majority of the USA unites, and works on this problem, it will remain as it has always done. A five second review don't do it. Personally, I think the only solution, is to get everybody in the USA involved.How, I do not know, what will it take, I do not know. I just know, Perry had a good plan, and not many even cared. We had a chance to take it national, but no one wanted Perry. Until that day comes, nothing will change. Much like prohibition, all the people have to stop it.
Sdee. Thanks. glad to hear some good news. I travel a great deal, and have encountered French everywhere. They all seemed to hate the US. I have met Palestinians who like the US. Maybe their experience has changed them. Thanks again.
4 years ain't 25 and the point Newt was making is not written in stone. It's his view on how it should be handled. All of the other points are not only valid but doable on a very immediate basis. Let the Congress and state legislatures squabble over the fine points of letting those who have been here 25 years be handled as Newt suggests. It'll all come out in the wash. Unlike Obama Newt isn't trying to rule by fiat. He's throwing out arguments for what he plans to try to implement along with what he can do as president.
The SOLUTION is in the 1986 Amnesty. Laws were not Enforced so now they want to do it again. Those Grannies chose to be illegal when Sponsorship Laws are current. Grannies are NOT ABOVE THE LAW. AMNESTY and the DREAM ACT have been DEBATED and VOTED DOWN IN CONGRESS. Gingrich's RED CARD is just another AMNESTY SCAM.
Here illegally ? Go HOME. NO more Detentions.
E-Verify all Jobs and Gov't hand-outs.
287g Nationwide to EXPOSE and DE-PORT all illegal ALIENS.
When Laws are Enforced most illegals will leave on their own.
All illegal ALIElNS and the Lawless Politicians that help them are Criminals.
You're obviously a paulnut, which is synonymous with MORON. I clearly said:
"...a step in that direction would be controlling our borders, using military force, if necessary."
If that's what you white-sheet wearing stooges think is "open borders", then that just validates the things people say about you. Furthermore, you're obviously dumber than the average paulnut, considering the fact that you're illiterate. Go play with MiketheMarine.
Didn't mean to "come down" on you but I don't like it when people imply we need to coddle Latinos. Why? Are Italian-Americans allowed to break laws? How about Danish-Americans or Japanese-Americans? Why are the precious "Hispanics" (a political term, more accurately, "Latinos") allowed to work against the law, use stolen or made-up social security numbers, avoind income tax, drive without a license, etc? Because for political reasons, they are given carte blanche. With a bad economy, do you really need to import tens of milliions of people? We need a ten year reduction in all immigration. Immigration lawyers and ethnic hustlers be damned.
Not tue. If we build a highly technolocal border fence that is patrolled by border guards in helicopters that are allowed to shoot to kill, illegals won't be able to climb over an extremely high, solid, fence that shocks the hell out of anyone climbing up it. Because once the US shows the world we are serious about border control, they will listen.
Liz, I'll add a little more. There are mountains, where even if you put up a fence 2ooo feet, you can get over. If you had troops there, that would stop that. But, then, you have to add the people on the US side, helping them get over, and then hiding them. there is no simple solution. I only wish it was as simple as you state.
Do you favor a highly technological fence around the United States? Because if he doesn't he isn't serious about border security.
Unfortunately, we need it desperately, because of failure to enforce immigration and naturalization laws, and an outright failure to obey the Constitution.
We don't have the money to spend on other peoples' problems, you should've figured that out, by now, with this ballooning national deficit. Our nation's federal government is not responsible for the development of any other nation, but our own, as well as our protection, and a step in that direction would be controlling our borders, using military force, if necessary. Once we've got military forces in place, then we can use forces like the DHS to start ferreting out these criminals called illegal aliens. Tracking employment records, birth certificates, school records, etc. they can be found. Employers that give them jobs should not face sanctions, other than 2 years in a federal prison. This penalty should also apply to teachers and school faculty that know of criminality like this occurring, but choose to conceal it from the DHS Seeing as to how illegal aliens and their spawn are not American citizens in accordance to & with the 14th Amendment, deportations should consist of ALL family members, including not only the initial border jumpers/visa over-stayers, but their children, as well.
If anyone wants to invest in Mexico (which I would advise against, considering it is a thoroughly corrupt, increasingly socialist nation), it would have to be the Private Sector, and like I've already said: I advise against it, but your idea to spend more money is just plain un-Constitutional, and another burden you'd impose on taxpayers, who are already paying for illegal aliens and their get. Leftists believe that the best way to solve a problem is to throw money at it, and Conservatives can see how well that works. Mexico would become just another unfunded liability, and we already need to get rid of ALL of those, and right now, not pick up a bigger one.
That's been my concern about it. I like his plan, a lot of it is what we need, but things like this seem to always start off good, but end up the way things are now. There has GOT to be a cut off.
Ok lets day the Survey 1 at a time then, First off, NumberUSA is an anti-immigration organisation, they are against ALL immigration, legal or not, So you need to keep that in mind as well
Mandate E-Verify
E-Verify is a Unconstitutional "National ID Verification" database that uses the Social Security System as a National ID, which is not what is should be used for. And Turns Businesses in to Law Enforcement. It is the Job of Law Enforcement to Catch Illegals, not the Job of Business.
Reduce Overall Immigration
This has nothing at all to do with ILLEGAL immigration, Ron Paul, and I agree, that we need a streamlined process that allows people that want to better their lifes to enter this nation. NumbersUSA wants to end or massivly curb immigration, ALL immigration legal or not
End Chain Migration
End Visa Lottery
Limit Unfair Worker Competition
Again see above for all of these, these has NOTHING do to with ILLEGAL immigration, but NumbersUSA showing their Basis agaist all immigration
Secure Borders
Ron Pauls wants to use the military as they were design, TO DEFEND OUT BORDERS, I dont know why they have him as "unhelpful"
End Birthright Citizenship
Ron Paul has a Constitutional Position here as well, unlike the modern Interpretation
Support Local Enforcement
Ron Paul does infact support Local Enforcement, one comment rightfully expressed about the potential for abuse under the "Show me your Papers" act passed by AZ earned him an "unhelpful".
Punish Business Violators
Again it is NOT the job of Business to police their work force, that is the job of GOVERNMENT
Arizona, Texas, and New Mexico... No California? Maybe that state's so hopelessly blue that it's a lost cause... ^_~
Right on, ABC, from 'little Cuba'. I have been to Florida many times, and am always amazed. A Peru woman took me to Florida, to meet her large family. We rode the back streets. I think 'flooded' is an apt description.
Contrary to popular pundit thought (which is heavily influenced by the huge, powerful "Latino lobby" in DC), Latinos make up only about 7-8% of the voting electorate and those are mostly native born Americans.
Most Americans want immigration law enforced and yes, that means you are not allowed to work here, period. Deportation is the only solution. "Rounding up" is a strawman. You simply enforce the law, which means no employment and they will mostly self-deport.
Most Americans want LEGAL immigration reduced a third or even a half, for a period of ten years or so, then we can see at that point.
Most Americans want English as the official language of the land.
It's only Dems and Repubs who don't want these things because they know, more people, especially more poor peasants are a mechanism for more political power, for them and for the federal government.
No, failure to apprehend criminals is never a solution. You can hope that they leave on their own all you want, but that doesn't mean it'll happen. You have entire states that declare they're in outright rebellion against national law, like California, which is now a 'sanctuary state'. You don't hope that suddenly declaring your town a 'law and order' town will just make the criminals move to another one. No, one job of law enforcement is crime PREVENTION, and to do that, they hunt down criminals. Another job is to investigate and take care of crimes that have already happened. Once they've crossed the borders and taken up illegal residence, here, this is a cold case, and we've got to investigate and prosecute it. People get past ID checks, every day, through forgery and conspiracy. Utilizing the DHS, with the assistance of city, county and state police forces to apprehend illegal alien families and their cohorts, all with the ultimate goal of things like deportation and prison sentencing will go a lot further than wishful thinking. "Rounding up" criminals is not a strawman; it's the JOB of law enforcement to do so.
The elites in both parties, for decades now, have favored letting millions of poor, grade school educated latino peasants into our country for two reasons. One, because businesses like the relatively cheap labor and two, because Democrats can create a new electorate, a new population. Most immigrants, legal and illegal are not Caucasian and they are not relatively well off economically, otherwise they wound't leave their home nations; therefore they vote for big government social programs. Sorry if that hurts your tender feelings but its true. Latinos, Asians, Arabs/Muslims, just like Black Americans, all vote heavily Democrat.
Good-bye GOP, good-bye limited government, good-bye USA.
Sorry , but many illegals who cross the border are all nationalities. A lot of these do not even want a legal entry. I agree, a fence is worthless. It will take a large program, ran by someone like Perry, to even slow it down. Example, a $10000 fee, for carrying drugs, is a great incentive. Try to imagine a 1000 mile strip, where every 10 miles or so, people can freely walk across. If you can see that, which is real, then see those people crossing open country for 100 miles. Add to that, sympathetic people, who help them. Words fail me.
As ususal Newt, you, as non Texan, are ignorant of the border. If you are wise, you will ask for Perry's help, for solutions. Otherwise, you will fail.
He did it! Someone finally offered a viable, workable solution to a very serious problem. Wow!
I think Santorum's rebuttal on Newt's position was weak because;
Newt does favor a path to citizenship for illegals. It's called ''the legal immigration process'' and if you can't follow the rules then you get deported with one exception that Newt so clearly outlines in great detail. But even his exception is not citizenship because it is only a temporary ''guest worker'' style permit and one must still follow the process like everyone else.
As I said already people can learn and adapt to what the people desire. Newt is doing just that. I am glad you are holding his record up to make everyone aware of past mistakes though. My thought is maybe Newt has decided to go hard right because it is what we want. We are The Tea Party after all right? I am giving him credit for doing what no other candidate has done; taking the Bull by the horns! I support him.
In France? It's dire economic times in France. I am glad if they are doing well though of course but aren't they like in a serious financial crisis?
I'll be here toasting everyone at Scoop :-D Don't worry, you'll hear me after I've said my pledge!
I know I have changed my opinions on countless issues. Have you considered that Newt has learned that the Tea Party is the majority in this nation and he is changing his stances because he understands what we want in the here and now? His policies for the last 3+ years have been consistent with Tea Party values and principles. I have been watching and at times have been his harshest critic, so I would know. He knows the majority of Americans want another Ronald Reagan and I believe he will try to follow in his footsteps. He reminds me a little of Reagan in the past couple debates and I like what I see. Let’s look forward and discuss the issues, even more importantly discuss the solutions as Newt is doing.
But you still get rid of the water once you fix the leak. You don't leave any puddles.
ABC, as one who has lived it, it is complicated. Only Perry has a clue. If you don't understand a problem, it is hard to fix. The solution has to be many facetied, or it fails. So, easy to call on Perry, and ask. My addition would to get all border people involved. My problem is, most of the USA doesn't care.
His plan is a solid one all the way around. Newt has stepped up and taken the bull by the horns and that is what I am looking for. He has a solid conservative answer for all the issues too. Unless Santorum can counter soon I am going with Mr. Gingrich.
90% of NumbersUSA's "goals" are unconstitutional, So it is not Surprising to see Big Government Santorum get a A in their Rankings or that Ron Paul Gets a F
It is NOT the responsibility of Business Owners to be the immigration Police, that is the Job of the POLICE.
Yes, I agree Steve, that is where the biggest problem is so start there. No policy will work until the border is secure, period.
oh, i don't wanna sound mean but screw it the ex almost looked like the walking dead...
I keep wondering if it would hurt one's knuckles if they knocked on her hair. I wonder how much hair spray it takes to get her hair to stay?
LOL- You and me both then, I get into a lot of trouble when I pound on this one. In one way, I can speak for those who come legally, through hard work and long process, but on the other hand, it makes me sound whiney, like I'm saying "it's not fair!" But it really isn't. It's not fair to millions of us who work to get here, and who have to continue to "show our papers" and get them updated every few years to stay. Some day I will become a citizen, but that too is a hard and expensive process, but I am willing to do it because I respect the laws of this country. OK I am stepping off my soap box now ;-)
ABC, I know literally hundreds of legal aliens. They, the ex Mexicans, stand shoulder to shoulder with you. They are very angry about it. They did it legally, without helping the criminals. They are responsible citizens, who vote. They voted for Perry. They are not as courageous as you, some are afraid to talk. I also wanted to say, if you stand up, sometimes, it makes you a target, if you catch my drift. I thank you, they thank you. God Bless.
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