So, the Left is looking to lock horns over shootin’ irons are they? They have rolled out all the tired, time worn, threadbare clichés once again. You know the ones, “Why do you need an assault rifle?” or “No one needs high capacity magazines.” Well it seems that we have let them set the terms of this “war of words” long enough. What do I mean by “set the terms”, you ask? Well just pull up a chair and sit a spell while I unravel this dastardly butchery of words that these polecats have perpetrated.

Let’s start with the myth of the “High Capacity Magazine” shall we? By its very nature the High Capacity magazine is one that holds beyond the “Standard Capacity”. So what, exactly, defines Standard versus High capacities? Standard would be what the firearm was designed with and sold with, High Cap would be anything larger than the Standard. Let’s look at a few examples. (I’ll even throw in pictures).

The “1911″

Caliber: .45 ACP
Standard Magazine: 7 rounds

 

 

 

Some variants built by some manufacturers are built around larger double stacked magazines. Para-Ordnance of Canada is one such example fielding 1911 variants that hold 12 (the Model P-12) or even 15 (Model P-15), as they are purpose built around these larger magazines, the magazines are then actually, Standard Capacity.

 

The Browning High Power

Caliber: 9×19 mm
Standard Magazine: 13 rounds

 

 

 

The Beretta 92

Caliber: 9x19mm
Standard Magazine: 15 rounds

 

 

So, let’s turn our attention to longarms (rifles, to those unfamiliar with the term) the ubiquitous “evil black rifle” or EBR.

The AR-15
Sexy ain’t she? (sorry a little levity there) Okay, seriously here, the AR-15 a semiautomatic rifle, which means boys and girls, that she is only capable of spitting out one round at a time. No matter how fast you pull the trigger.

No, the “AR” does not stand for “Assault Rifle”, what it does denote is the rifle’s origins, the “AR” stands for Armalite Rifle. It is available in a wide variety of chamberings from .22 Long Rifle up to .338 Lapua and .300 Winchester Magnum, it is most commonly chambered for 5.56mm NATO and or .223 Remington (the two are nearly identical).

It also has the distinction of having two (that’s right, two) Standard Magazines, a 20 round and 30 round in its native caliber. High capacity magazines for this rifle at the moment consist of 40, 50, 60 and 100 rounds. Yes, I said 100, that’s not a typo, if you are considering one of those monsters, I suggest duct taping a 15 lbs dumbbell to your rifle and walk around the house for 30 minutes. I know a guy that paid a premium for one of those 100 round BETA magazines (he used it exactly once).

Automatic vs. Semi-Automatic
“Automatic” is perhaps the most widely misused term when it comes to firearms, even seasoned firearms folks are guilty of this (I’ve been guilty of it my own self). So, what’s the difference?, you might ask. Well huckleberries, pull up a stool and I’ll bend yer ears a bit.

Automatic, also referred to as “Auto” or “Full Auto” simply means that when you squeeze the trigger the weapon will fire and continue to fire until one of two things happen. You release the trigger or, you expend all the ammo in the magazine.

Semi-Automatic, or “Semi” simply stated means that when you squeeze the trigger the weapon will fire one round and reload itself. If you continue to hold the trigger, nothing will happen. You have to release and squeeze again to fire each subsequent round (rinse and repeat).

While we are dealing with “terms” let’s address another, “Assault Rifle”. This is a somewhat nebulous term that the anti-gun crowd has latched onto and misused for years. It originates with the military as near as anyone can say with any modicum of certainty. The military, as any veteran can tell you, loves to “classify” things, and this term is one such example.

“Assault Rifle”
These are a military weapon, select fire, chambered in a “minor” rifle caliber, 5.56mm NATO in this case. All “Select Fire” refers to is the capability of the rifle to operate in either Semi-Automatic or Fully Automatic modes. Examples are the M-16, HK33 and the Israeli Galil. The AR-15 is not such a rifle.

“Battle Rifle”
Another military weapon, again capable of select fire, but, in a major caliber such as 7.62mm NATO (.308 Winchester to you “civies”) Examples of this class of weapons are the M-14, FN FAL, and the G-3. You will once again note the absence of the AR-15.

“Machine Guns”
These animals come in a few differing flavors.
First off we have the Sub-Machine Gun, these are Fully Automatic (Just pull the trigger and hang on son), pistol caliber weapons. Such as the UZI, H&K MP5, MAC-10 & 11 et cetera.

Weapons like the M-249, MK48, Stoner 63 and the M-60 are known as “Light” Machine Guns, chambered in 5.56mm and 7.62mm.

Atop the heap you find the Heavy Machine Guns, like the beloved “Ma Deuce” or properly the M2HB Browning .50 caliber. Nope, no AR-15s here either.

These military weapons are not readily available to the public at large, they are strictly regulated and ownership requires a lengthy and expensive permitting process, that’s in addition to the cost of the weapon itself. You could buy yourself a very nice automobile (think Porsche 911 Turbo or better), fully equipped, for what one of these would set you back. Briefly, you can only purchase one that is already in the BATFE’s registry, and that registry is closed, in otherwords what’s available is already out there and no more will be added.

We have let the anti gun crowd “set the terms” of this conversation for far too long. It’s time we “set the terms” and corrected their blatant propaganda with the facts, and correct nomenclature is the best starting point.




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112 comments
DebbyX
DebbyX

"Firearms for Dummies". I am strictly speaking for myself. Though I did know the difference between auto and semi-auto :)

Hope to be starting shoot em' up school next month. Looking forward to "carrying".

DeepintheHeart
DeepintheHeart

Thanks for that excellent explanation of terms. Now to get liberals to read it...

CitizenVetUSA
CitizenVetUSA

Very nicely stated. May I use your writing to help educate the civilian citizenry?

I wish the FOX News team would quit using the lefts fabricated term, “Assault Weapon”. Maybe we need to get this document to the News Script Writers so they can start using the correct nomenclature.

tim trueblood
tim trueblood

An assault weapon is one that has a selector switch allowing it to fire semi or full automatic. An assault weapon is not defined by the number of rounds it’s clip or magazine can hold. Or by it’s appearance. As defined correctly, America does not have an assault weapon problem. The few held by private persons are fully registered and heavily taxed by the Federal Govt. This law is law that has worked and has fulfilled its mission of controlling the numbers of fully automatic weapons held by private citizens.

For a history of the first “assault weapon” Google German word Sturmgewehr.

An assault weapon must:

It must be an individual weapon with provision to fire from the shoulder (i.e. a buttstock);

It must be capable of selective fire;

It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle

Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable magazine rather than a feed-belt.

And it should at least have a firing range of 300 meters (1000 feet).

Now, does American have an assault weapon problem?

Larchmonter
Larchmonter

Would have liked it if the article had put the AK 47 into the mix.

I bought one 20 years back when local governments started sticking their nose into our 2nd Amendment rights. Bought an SKS for the spouse. It was mostly a protest, along with joining a huge turnout at City Hall. When hundreds showed up for the protest, the subject was dropped by the officials. They left it up to the state.

People have to use their rights to preserve their rights.

Buy guns, and join NRA and other organizations that will fight every inch. The Bill of Rights is not a Bill of Licenses. Government does not get to slice and dice Freedom.

Tyranny is always present. If you have government at any level, tyranny is always on the agenda. Crime, evil, tyranny are as natural as air and water. Free mankind has to be armed, stay vigilant and never give an inch.

DebbyX
DebbyX

Like Mark Levin said, it's the Bill of Rights

not the Bill of Needs.

(As in..........who needs an assault rifle)

4Hoppes2
4Hoppes2

From one Jarhead to another, that was Top Drawer, well done sir!

c4pfan
c4pfan

Why doesn't the maker of the gun sue the people for making false claims?

JungleCogs
JungleCogs

One quick point of order: We may be fighting ‘Progressives’, ‘Liberals’, ‘Lefties’, Socialists, ‘those who lean Left of center”, etc.; but they are all Democrats. If we are going to fight these Constitution hating types we have to quit parsing words and call them out for what they are. The Democrat Party has caused most of the ills in this country and continues to do so. We need to make that point at every opportunity.

Wolfie
Wolfie

I think "libtards" covers the "all of the above" category nicely! ;-)

JungleCogs
JungleCogs

"We have let the anti gun crowd “set the terms” of this conversation for far too long. It’s time we “set the terms” and corrected their blatant propaganda with the facts, and correct nomenclature is the best starting point."

Here, here!!!

MadAsHellJack
MadAsHellJack

OMG I have all those guns! :)

Yeah go out there and buy ya some of those 50 rounds clips, y'all. The progressive/left are IDIOTS and it never shows more than when they discuss guns. I know, I know progressive/left and IDIOTS is a triple negative.

Wolfie
Wolfie

An excellent article Ken, thank you for taking the time to write it! This is a MUST READ in my book. So I've saved it on my computer for future reference! Again, great job! I know I'm late to the party, but I still wanted you to know I really liked it!

Joachim14_1a
Joachim14_1a

Thanks for this post! I am perhaps the only (like-minded) Scoop reader who is ignorant about guns. I feel like one of the virgins who neglected to bring oil for her lamp... the hour is late and for myself I can only hope that it is not too late...

dmacleo
dmacleo

ignorant about yet not vindictive of and frightened of and vindictive of are two wholly different things.

many second amendment supporters do not own or use weapons, they are fine too.

no worries :)

Wolfie
Wolfie

You are NOT the only one Joachim. Several other people (who are gun owners) were asking for just such a post. :-)

Pancake3
Pancake3

No matter how wide or tall he is, Piers Morgan is a small man.

bongobear
bongobear

Excellent explanation of the often misused terminology regarding firearms in general.

Conniption Fitz
Conniption Fitz

MORE STATS against gun control from a former DC Prosecutor:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324081704578235460300469292.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

"The gun ban had an unintended effect: It emboldened criminals because they knew that law-abiding District residents were unarmed and powerless to defend themselves. Violent crime increased after the law was enacted, with homicides rising to 369 in 1988, from 188 in 1976 when the ban started. By 1993, annual homicides had reached 454."

Gun Control INCREASES Gun Violence and Deaths.

This is a consistent fact in evidence.

But that does not convince liberals who do not believe in facts, statistics or reality.

They prefer their little PC world of wishes, feelings and fantasies.

John
John

when senators have recently asked the FBI, ‘How are you complying with the Smith Amendment and how long are you keeping the names?’ they’re told to go take a long walk off a short pier. There is a danger that the Obama administration wants to create this gun registry using this universal check.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/obama-has-dramatically-overshot/#R8vz0Y1ARVehGS4z.99

Conniption Fitz
Conniption Fitz

The US needs a National (computerized) Voter Registry with Photo ID, not gun registry.

Wolfie
Wolfie

That would fix so many problems right there!

ManfredtheWonderDog
ManfredtheWonderDog

You said, "the AR-15 a semiautomatic rifle, which means boys and girls, that she is only capable of spitting out one round at a time." Ahem. I am not aware of any fire arm that fires more than one round at a time. Every machine gun - even the Gatling gun - only fire one round at a time. The distinction - as you noted elsewhere - is the number of rounds fired per trigger pull (or, for the Gatling gun, how long you turn the crank).

Good article!

colliemum
colliemum

Great post, KenInMontana - thanks!

Over here, I've started to 'educate' those who are talking about these assault unicorns rifles, and am demonstrating the difference between those pesky automatic and semi-automatic ones. and me never ever even having held a gun in my hands ...

That reminds me: gotta be careful what with pointing my hands in a gun-like fashion at people .... might go to prison ... for threatening someone with my assault fingers ....

Libertyship46
Libertyship46

Although this was an informative article, it will be meaningless to Obama, Biden, and the liberals in Congress. Don't you get it yet? Their goal is complete gun control, to disarm us and to have us as defenseless as the people in Europe right now. And although the Europeans may look down their noses at us with contempt for demanding to hold onto our guns, we still have not managed a Hitler or a Mussolini or a Franco or a Stalin, yet. Hmmmm, I wonder why that is? Could it be because the American people would not stand for it and has the very real capacity to resist that? Just seems strange that all the examples of horrific dictators taking over a country occurred in places where people were NOT allowed to own many guns. "Funny" how that works out.

tinlizzieowner
tinlizzieowner

Common sense is like deodorant, those who need it most (liberals) don't use it.

;-) ;-)

Biggbear52
Biggbear52

Which is why, if they use executive order, are facing IMPEACHMENT With any pray of true hope, closely followed by incarceration in Leavenworth for crimes against this Nation and it's people!

americalsgt
americalsgt

This was great information Ken and most helpful. Problem is that most of the people that need to read this won't, and even if they did they've already made up their minds and the two words on the tip of their tongue for everything you wrote would be "yea but." The whole semi vs auto to me comes down to accuracy. The first time I put my 16 on automatic in a real situation - some called it autagetem - I was all over the place. It was like the Oliver Stone movie line from JFK. Up and to the right, Up and to the right. You can do a lot more damage with semi in my opinion. I can understand some of the points the left are making, but I don't want to give an inch. We give up magazine sizes, and the next time someone gets killed by a revolver, they will want them too. I can hear them now " We've come for your .22 revolver sir" "Come along now, we can't have out and about with this any longer."

GWShrub
GWShrub

As I was taking ownership of my new Mossberg 500 12ga short-barrel pump yesterday someone in the Outfitters store was talking about a relative who has a 9 rd .22 cal revolver & lives in NY state was concerned because the way that law was reading they thought it was banned.

americalsgt
americalsgt

They probably are. Tell your relative that one possibility is a Baretta Bobcat, but be sure to get the .22LR instead of the .25ACP magazine. The .25 2acp has an 8 round magazine, and the .22LR is a 7. I'm waiting for my Mossberg to come in. I ordered the same one.

Richard
Richard

We can all talk, but in the end Obama can dictate what he wishes. He has law enforcement and the military to back him. Where will his domestic military force come from?

Rshill7
Rshill7

I think I know where his domestic opposition will come from.

My best fishing bud who does a lot more hunting than I do and has two freezers full of fish, fowl, and deer, has been what I would consider apolitical until recently. Oh he votes Republican after having a little pow wow with us on all the other issues that might appear on a ballot but doesn't really pay attention every day like we do at our house. He also has several kids under the age of 14.

However, my phone rang last night just as I was about to answer the first Jeopardy question. It was he filling my ear for a little over an hour about Obama, the democrats, the media, his gun rights, and what he was going to do about it. I've never heard him rant like that. I was able to calm him down a little by going over what I felt were the most meddling of the new EO's and that the serious 2nd amendment meddling was only yet being strongly suggested by Obama, that Congress pass, and that I didn't think the kinds of limitations he wanted would make it through.

Anyway, Obama and co's actions and further desires by democrats are really starting to wake folks up who normally don't pay attention to politics. But now that politics is stepping on the front porch of folks, indeed, reaching into their nightstands and gun safes...they are now awake, as if a rooster were doing his thing right in their ears.

It'll be very interesting as well as telling, how this debate works itself out. That sleeping giant Yamamoto referred to once upon a time, is opening his eyes, stretching his arms, and taking to his feet.

TexasPGRRider
TexasPGRRider

Great post Rshill7 ! I believe, after the end of WW2, one of the Japanese leaders was asked why they didn`t invade the continental US after Pearl Harbor and his reply was something to the effect that besides an army, the US citizens were also armed. That my friends, is the Very reason the globalists, UN Agenda 21 promoters, the muslim brotherhood, progressives, communists, BO and his ilk, and LORD KNOWS who else are on stand by. As far as I know, the only other country in the world with an armed citizenry is Switzerland !!! That`s why the right, NOT priviledge, to bear arms is essential to preserve this Great Nation INTACT for future generations. Tyranny cannot stand against truth. Peace be with you.......

Wolfie
Wolfie

This is good news really. Not the interrupting Jeopardy bit, the other bit! ;-)

Wolfie
Wolfie

Very cool! :-) TY!

I have a famous poor memory and it's not even funny anymore... So If I did not thank you for your service! I thank you now! THANK YOU SIR!

CitizenVetUSA
CitizenVetUSA

1965-67 at North Fort Hood, 2nd Armored Division theater price was .25 cents

Wolfie
Wolfie

Oh I've seen it! Brilliant movie! :-)

Saw it on TV thought, not in the movie hall. I don't think I ever remember the charge being 1 quarter! I think I remember 1.25 (shrug)

Rshill7
Rshill7

Watch "Tora! Tora! Tora!" some time. I saw it as a kid in a theater on a military base in the '70's. Admission was 25 cents.

Rshill7
Rshill7

I don't know about any Russian references from he.

Wolfie
Wolfie

Didn't the refer to Russia as the sleeping bear in ww2 when the Nazis woke it up and paid the price? I think America has a sleeping grizzly bear of it's own... And it's starting to grunt and moan and move... Almost like it's about to wake up! And a pissed off, woken up bear! Oh boy! :-)

Rshill7
Rshill7

He got a small raise at the end of the 2012 too, but his actual check was even smaller after the raise because of the payroll tax increase.

Not happy about that either :-)