President Obama will announce later this morning the creation of a gun control task force led by Vice President Joe Biden to recommend new policies aimed at preventing another school shooting.
not sure why people are so scared when notion is mentioned to them that they defend themselves. if you can't take up the responsibility and think your life is always somebody else's job despite america has one of the most sparse population density in the world while covering lots of land, by all means stop living and few would care. hate over grown children masquerading as adults
My friend John makes good points. Public safety is a necessary function of government. The cost to assign an officer to each school would be very high, but we have to ask what the cost of not doing so ends up being. An alternative may be to use retired officers such as John that could work at a lower cost. There are a lot of possibilities here that need exploring.
Arming teachers or civilian staff is something deserving of a lot of thought. I'm sure John has seen officers that struggle with firearm qualifications when no one is shooting back. If there are teachers that are qualified and desirous of doing so, this should be an option to them- and could work well with having local officers at the school. I agree with what others have posted about not making it known that they are present.
As John said, the federal law needs to go- this is yet another one-size-fits-all remedy that hurts us and does not help us.
The argument of who should carry concealed weapons on a school ground, is getting a little tiresome. Everyone seems to have an opinion about it.
Personally, I would like to see off-duty or retired law enforcement officers, but that's just me. The small town of Harrold, Texas has done it with Teachers, since 2007. You want to do it with Teachers, I have no problem with that, either.
Here's my point. I don't care if you do it with the Janitors, so long as you just do it!
I want the bad guys or crazy guys to know, that when you break into a school campus in America, the very first person you meet, is probably carrying a weapon and knows how to use it. IT'S THAT SIMPLE!
If some teachers were trained and armed shooters would not go to schools with guns
If retired militray arms trained patrols were in every school the killers would not not be able to carry out their agenda with ANY means
Maybe gas canisters as in Sarin or explosives strapped to their chests
it AINT guns folks,
its the foundering culture that is defined for us by follywood and MSM
Train and arm school personnel armed while on duty and hire retired military to patrol
soooo simple but not what the controlling entity wants for us and our kids.
they WANT us to rise up so they can openly decree martial law.
take all responsibility into your community and by pass the fed in all your
DIVORCE THE FED.
PROTECT OUR OWN.
Where people still have a modicum of freedom many are doing the right moves:
Texas Gun Store Offers Teachers Discounts Following Newtown Massacre
When the people stand up to the gov't the gov't will WILL back down
enough standing up and eventauly we can reestablish a Republic
instead of a dictatorship of the marxist proletariat mobs
GOT LEGS ?
STAND UP right in your community, be a first drop in filling a bucket
that becomes a national tsunami of people governing oursleves.
As it was meant to be.
Well said. I agree with this. TRAINING and arming those that are responsible with our most precious resource (our children), to react defensively makes much more sense than talking about when, where and how the next tragedy can be avoided. You don't have to come up with a whole bunch of money, I'll pitch in to my kid's school to train and arm a staffer. And I know I can find a dozen more parents willing to pitch in. Tax breaks for teachers that purchase a conceal/carry piece (a Walther PPS 9mm costs $600 for example, get 12 parents to donate $50 to the school). Have them take a firearms course (the guns cost money but how many firearms training facilities can donate an instructor (tax incentive), Have them take an emergency response course (medical and even tactics to respond tactically to a threat.). There are options, and the money can be found somewhere to protect our children.
People are unpredictable. Talking about it doesn't change that. Yes mental health programs are needed, church or the lack of religion has nothing to do with mental imbalance. No we don't need to ban weapons from law abiding citizens, (only the unlawful would be carrying guns then.).
This is a tragedy, let us mourn the loss and not turn it into a religious or political argument, but let us take action to make sure this tragedy is no longer repeated in our history. If a psycho steps onto my child's school grounds with a weapon I want them on the the ground before they have a chance to level that piece at any child or innocent.
Again KEY WORD 'Trained' individuals, they don't have to be teachers, they can be the principles, and other screened staffers.
incognegro wrote: "Again KEY WORD 'Trained' individuals, they don't have to be teachers, they can be the principles, and other screened staffers.
Enough said. "
THIS is what the screamers keep disallowing. TRAINED and not necessarily teachers
or any who are afraid of guns or hold marxist views on gun ownership.
There are plenty of retired military and law enforcement available who might work for small recompense as part of their communal actions for the protecrtion
of the children and even the surrounding area of the schools befor and aftre school hours and during school events or meetings of parents and school admins on school property.
We need to hit every online thread we can find and keep making these logical points
Find me on FB sharing these forums with those who do pass on reasonable solutions.
Finally, the truth. The policy of gun free zones is guilt for that kind of tragedy. Criminals choose easy targets. Simple as that. And the government uses the tragedy as an excuse to take away rights from the people. But fact is governments are afraid of armed citizens. Ask Kadaff.
My apologies to the readers on this site. I have failed in my first duty as a communicator, I didn't address my remarks to the audience, dumb it down enough for you to grasp. I think the Detective is absolutely right, gun free zones are kill zones, exactly that nothing else.
I didn't speak as to the training of the murderer in this case, I have no idea what he knew or even what he thought, he is a murderer.
I don't believe we should provide guns to everyone to carry everywhere to do whatever. I believe that holders of concealed weapons permits undergo the required training in that municipality to obtain the license to carry. They are trained in deescalation of events, they are trained to avoid situations where possible and when not possible to deescelate the situation and when not possible to handle the situation with deadly force if needed.
We CCW holders do not run willy nilly around shooting everything that moves, that is the murderer's role in the situation we are trying to defuse.
I believe as stated earlier gun free zones are murder at will zones and any CCW holder present in one of those shooting ranges (gun free zones) will positively effect the outcome. I for one do not go to gun free zones, I don't go to restaurants that don't allow guns for the simple reason I will not let someone else decide if I have to right to defend myself.
Yes I carry, everywhere I go, everyday of the week, the weekend and all holidays. I carry because it is my right to have the ability to defend my person and property from any and all situations where those rights are threatened.
I get that we all just want to get along, and live in a society where we all do just get along. But that is not the reality of today's world, nor at any other time in the history of man as far as I can tell.
Can you imagine having a sign out in front of your house which says, "There are no firearms at this address"? I doubt if anyone would be that stupid because your home would be a prime target for felons and murderers, yet the liberal anti-gun crowd thinks it's perfectly fine to do the same thing in front of schools with signs indicating it's a "Gun-free Zone".
At the end of a training course, the teachers and administrators would be, for all intents and purposes, auxiliary police or reserve deputies with the power to protect the lives of everyone at the school with armed force and be able to legally detain suspicious characters who entered the premises without permission like the one in Newtown, CT until the authorities arrive. The reason I suggest school officials be made auxiliary officers is for the simple reason of liability. Another important point is parents would have the confidence of knowing these people are not only trained, they have the authority to arrest perpetrators. It is my hope they will never have to draw their guns or shoot anyone. As the saying goes, "You don't shoot to kill - you shoot to stay alive." It is my hope this program would save many innocent lives of children and parents working in schools without ever firing a shot.
Libs are gonna have a sh** fit over this. Liberals have blood on their hands for being so stupid to believe that if you ban guns in schools that the mass murderers will say "damn, I want to go kill me a bunch of kids but it's against the law to take my gun in the school".
I hope some of you ignorant libs read this, because it's YOUR fault and you're creating target zones for mass murderers to go to. Idiots.
I apologize if this is against the rules, so feel free to delete it if it's out of bounds.
What we spent on Solyndra, would have put security officers in every school in America, and this tragedy would have been avoided.
100% agree, especially after reading this....In the wake of Friday's mass killing at an elementary school in Connecticut, Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) said Sunday that she plans to introduce an assault weapons ban bill on the first day of the new Congress.
"I'm going to introduce in the Senate, and the same bill will be introduced in the House -- a bill to ban assault weapons," Feinstein said on NBC's "Meet the Press."
CALL YOUR SENATORS AND SAY "HELL NO" !! WE MUST LEARN TO BE RUTHLESS TOO !!
We MUST STOP THIS WOMAN, NOW!!!!!!!!!!
You won't believe this.
Obama administration let school security funds lapse…
(Washington Guardian) – Beneath the expressions of grief, sorrow and disbelief over the Connecticut school massacre lies an uneasy truth in Washington: over the last few years the Obama administration and Congress quietly let federal funding for several key school security programs lapse in the name of budget savings.
The town of Newtown, Conn., in fact, took advantage of one of these programs in 2000 when it got $125,000 in funds from the COPS in Schools program, Justice Department records show.
Rest of the story is here:
It is heartbreaking and mind-numbingly stupid.
The COPS program has been a Trojan horse since day 1. Local governments are lulled in by the "free money" and hire more officers. The "free money" runs out and the local taxpayers are left with the bill, so they either raise taxes or fire the officers.
It would be far better to not take the money in the first place (IRS) and allow it to be better utilized by the local governments. This applies to many things from housing to law enforcement. The more hands the money goes through the less there is for the need.
No, I do not agree with this at all. School a gun free zone.. Yes, it should be. Who should be there? Not no armed teacher or principal. I want to see my tax dollars at work. I want to see these cops stationed in the schools, one at the front door manning the metal detectors and one roaming the halls during school hours. 8 hours a day two cops. Not a lot to ask! For those cops to do their jobs and protect our children in the public schools, not arming teachers. Most cops in our area are just parked in the same place all day everyday.
Or in this case they are shaped like doughnuts making videos telling the public we should arm the teachers so they don't have to do their jobs.
I don't see Mrs. Crabtree directing 25 students to safety while in a shootout with a madman. That's just borderline stupid. Back to the drawing board Doughnut boy.
According to the National Center for Education Statistics, there were 98,817 public schools during the 2009-2010 school year.
That would take almost 200 thousand LEOs. Never going to happen
Running the numbers:
Parameters- 98,817 schools with two officers per school full time.
Utilizing an average annual cost to employ one officer of $40,000 (the cost is more than just the salary due to federal withholding and benefits), the total to employ two officers is $7,905,360,000 or $7.9 billion. This figure is likely well on the low side based upon salaries.
Due to vacation/leave/sick time/training, you never have 100% of your officers on duty, so an allowance would need to be made for this, which could add up to 50% more cost.
One alternative would be to utilize retired and still qualified LEOs that could work for lower cost and no retirement or other benefits. Allowing qualified staff that is desirous of being armed would reduce the cost greatly.
As this man wandered freely about killing children at leisure, without any concerns of anyone defending themselves...
If you were there, and were armed... wouldn't you have stopped him?
No Citizen at the school was legally able to defend their lives with the use of a firearm. The government handed those people a potential death sentence before this happened.
This whole "gun free zone" obviously isn't working, and will never work. What did seem to work pretty well were previous laws allowing CCW holders to carry where ever they desired except in airport security zones. If anyone thinks a deranged gunman or even a plain criminal pays any attention do "gun free zone" laws except to pick an area where victims are unarmed, they are quite mistaken. It is because of current "no ccw" laws and societal expectation that these laws are obeyed that we have the problems we have today. I have been to Alaska where CCW and open carry is the norm. I felt perfectly safe in Walmart and other establishments even while seeing other citizens carrying handguns. In fact, I felt safer than in the lower 48. The mere fact that someone is carrying a weapon should not be cause for alarm, but we have citizens who have been brainwashed to presume the carrying of a weapon is horrible and should not be allowed. I firmly agree with the detective.
Teachers and school staff are trained to deal with all kinds of emergencies save one. They conduct fire drills, flood, earthquake, hurricane and tornado drills, and, over the years, these drills have saved the lives of many children (and adults). But NOOO FREAKING WAY are teachers and school staff allowed to train, equip, and prepare themselves to deal with human violence. The spineless, bleeding heart, goody goody liberals and their elected cretins have all this blood on their hands. I hope their sleep is filled with nightmares.
Personally I think they should arm and train the teahers and administration in the school and have an armed guard there too. These sick people that was the minute of fame by doing the most horrendous act will not give a damn if you have a gun free zone. Did this man care and he had to go through locked doors.
As a Viet Nam veteran and a former State Licensed Private Patrol Officer--armed, I DO NOT approve of allowing teachers throughout the entire country to carry loaded guns. I know from personal experience that most people don't know when to use a gun. It took me at a minimum 1 year of carrying a gun to get to the knowledge of when to shoot. Now is NOT the time to have schools in country to carry loaded guns.
A point I made to a relative who said we should abandon the 2d Amendment, and one that I plan to spread around:
If you had a time machine, and could go back 10 years and make any change to the law you wanted, up to and including a complete firearms ban, the chances are you would not have affected the outcome of Newtown’s events at all. Connecticut already has a ban on “assault weapons.” But, apparently Lanza’s mother owned one, as well as two pistols. Reports now are that’s where Lanza got the weapons, after killing his mother.
However, if you used the same time machine, and went back a mere 48 hours (at the moment) and placed a civilian with a legal weapon and training in the school, the chances are high that the outcome would have been vastly different. The probability exists that Adam Lanza might never have made it out of the school office.
at first i thought he was saying that he needs to make more gun free school zones as i was reading see that i was wrong this man gets two thumbs up and congress needs to see that a gun free school zone only keeps those civilians that actually have morals from going on the campus with them but not those dirt-bags like the shooter in Connecticut from comming there to shoot freely at small children if that principle had a gun the killer wouldnt of got so far