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another right wing nut job that is probably living off of “Social Justice”, like medicare, and Social Security. And doesn't want his pay cut.
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So you don't care that he's wrong in his assumption. I see.
Once again to you libs, I guess facts don't matter.
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I'm a Christian, a Bible thomping, Bible reading Christian, and it is FACTUAL that Glenn got it RIGHT. The term Social Justice has been demonized to mean governmental controll. Do these people consider that when God mentions homosexuality in the Bible supposedly only 9 times, that He states “Whoe”, When God mentions it, it is with such force in one word that it deams DAMNATION, whereas social justice, as the commentator, is said from the heart which we give to God to do His work, which is a desire to help the poor, hungry, naked, etc.
Keep up the good work Mr. RightScoop, you are in our prayers, and hopefully the FOXNEWS issue will be resolved in the coming days.
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I'm not a lib.
I said the guy's a Right Wing Nut Job. Meaning the Guy speaking in the above video.
Anyone that has ever truly listened to an evangelical christian can tell you that a good portion of them are full of shit.
I think most people would agree that you can make up just about any silly ass story you want and then find something in the bible to back it up.
Like that loon you have linked to “Bible Prophecy”.
That guy IMO is a Nut Job, Just like the Nut Job in this interview.
Hey I know.
I'm gonna make a youtube video about Beck being a relative of Vlad the Impaler.
And then talk about how he's the anti christ and that Jesus spoke to me and told me so.I would bet that at a minimum 25% of the people that saw it would believe me.
Even though it's complete made up BS.
That is my point.
This idiot comes out talking about how “social justice” is in the bible.
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You called him a right wing nut job. He's a lefty dude. That's why I thought you were attacking me. He's a big government type just like his boss Obama and apparently doesn't mind socialism.
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Ok I see your point.
And it's a valid take.
It's confusing when you have someone that LOVES socialism and puts a bible spin on it.
One could argue him being a “bible thumper” would make him a right wing nut job.
One could also argue him being a leftist because of his socialsim lust.
Frankly now I've come to the conclusion that he's neither.He's probably just a Democrat
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Honestly, I think we should get rid of lefty/right and talk big govt vs small govt. That seems to work pretty well on our country
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Sounds good to me.
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I'd love to see Beck debate some of the big-government social justice religious types. He could quickly turn the table on them and point out how they are perverting God's word so that they can be popular or rich or powerful, rather than humiliating themselves before God like Christ asks us to.
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Beck would eat 'em for lunch. You CAN NOT disregard facts! The Left tries, but truth is truth.
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amywilson
This is so stupid. But, many liberal Christians have fallen into this trap. One of my liberal Christians friends believes in 'social justice' (although she doesn't know the labels) because she believes we need to help the poor. I explained when the government gets involved, the love FROM Christians is lost completely. Therefore, the love cannot be felt by these individuals getting a check from the government and their souls will not be saved. Showing Christian love (charity) is beyond helping their physical needs, but goes to the root of their problem – their spiritual needs. So, without one on one help, you can give them all the money you want, their true need of salvation is never met. So, 'social justice' would actually be the opposite of what God would want because it puts a stumblingblock between those in need an God's salvation.
I think social justice is Satan's design for helping the poor which keeps salvation and God far removed from them. Many times God allows needs in someone's life intentionally to draw them to him. If you can go to some state office and apply for a check, you don't need God. Those on the left who are unbelievers and try to use the Bible as a tool to prove social justice ARE spiritually blind. They cannot see the light of the gospel so it is the only conclusion they can come to without the Lord.
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What's being ignored here is that this whole debate on social justice in the church is nothing more than a straw man built by Glenn Beck. He's making outrageous claims about churches and he's being intellectually dishonest and misleading. No church concerned with social justice is expecting the gov't to be the driving force in fixing all these problems. Social justice isn't about communism or fascism or Marxism. It's about caring for the “least of these.”
Sometimes this involves Christian acts of charity like running a soup kitchen or free medical clinic on a Saturday. Sometimes this involves job training programs and homeless shelters for people trying to get off the street. Sometimes this means unemployment or welfare for someone who is laid off or is fired from their job and has to somehow provide for a family.
This isn't an “either/or” discussion. Christians should be involved in caring for the poor and needy, but the government also has a responsibility to care for it's citizens. It's hypocritical to support the war in Iraq and Afghanistan because it helps protect us from terrorists, but then say the gov't shouldn't have anything to do with helping it's own citizens in need of work and food.
Look, you can't claim that Wallis is smearing Beck while ignoring that Beck is taking his fair share of shots as well. We all know that the end result of this is Glenn Beck making a magnet out of Jim Wallis' head and putting it up next to a picture of Chairman Mao and pretending they believe the same things. It's just ridiculous.
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Matthew,
No one is arguing that the government can't/shouldn't help the poor. This isn't about helping those who need help. This is about wealth redistribution, and yes there are churches who believe America is an imperialistic nation and that the government should take from the wealthy and give it to the poor.
So there is no intellectual dishonesty here with Beck. You are misunderstanding what he has said. In fact, he said on March 2nd that if your church does in fact have Social or Economic Justice on their website or if they believe in that, then ask them what they mean by it before taking action.
I think the MSM is creating alot of mis/disinformation about this because they don't like Beck. I will look at my archive and get his original segment on it and you can judge for yourself. It's important to keep things in context, and that's exactly what the MSM are not doing.
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Look, I'm sure there are some wacky churches out there that believe in communism, but those aren't mainstream. This is what I mean by straw man. He's making an outlandish claim that maybe a small minority of people believe and then attacking it as if it's a commonly held belief.
And it's certainly not the type of thing Jim Wallis advocates with Sojourners:
http://www.sojo.net/index.cfm?action=about_us.i…A certain amount of wealth redistribution has to happen in order for the government to help those in need. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Yes, he's asking people to ask questions, but he's also encouraging them to believe something about their church or ministers before they even ask. He's telling people these are code words, warning signs, etc. He's just covering his bases by telling people to ask before they run as fast as they can. This is what I mean by intellectually dishonest. He's encouraging people to be afraid of the phrase “social justice” even though in most church contexts, it's actually a good thing.
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chaswv
I think that Jim Wallis' breathless radio remarks 'taking on' Glenn Beck are childish and stupid. He is not asking people to ask questions, he is questioning whether Beck is 'man enough.' The phrase 'social justice' used by liberals does not simply mean 'feed the poor', which we in the USA do a very good job with. The phrase morphs into an victim/oppressor model that aims explicitly to undermine individual freedom. Our Savior did not advocate this. Christ's message was that of personal salvation, grace, and redemption.
Christ's love does not simply translate into centralized 'wealth redistribution' by crushing liberty and respect for the individual. Advocates of social-justice-through-increasing- central-government-displacement-of-private-activity are not taking their cues from the Bible that I read every day.
The Sojourners' site is interesting. Keep abortion legal and outlaw capital punshment are the first two topics in the “About Us” section Matthew linked. That about sums up 'social justice': whatever progressive liberals want through governmental actions.
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Look, I'm not saying Jim Wallis is without fault in the whole altercation. I don't agree with him all the time. There are definitely some things I think he leans a little too far to the left on, but I think his overall message and cause are good. You may want to re-read the Abortion part on the About Us section again. It's clearly Pro-Life. I bet you didn't even read the part about the gov't's role in social justice, did you?
Glenn Beck is clearly not interested in any sort of dialogue on this subject. Instead he's going to “hammer” Wallis, no doubt taking quotes out of context to prove a point. Beck has to control the information. He'll talk all the time about how the White House would call his red phone if he was saying something inaccurate. Yet when Wallis want to “call” he won't have any of it.
I think the tragedy in all of this is that Beck has inexplicably equated the social justice many churches are striving to attain with a liberal democratic agenda. Nobody is saying Christ's love translates into “centralized 'wealth redistribution'” except Beck and his followers. He's making wild and baseless claims against churches that want to actively help their community. It's easy to beat up a Straw Man.
If Glenn Beck wants to call everyone who's ever talked to Obama a communist, fine. But when he invokes the name of Jesus to try and validate his own political agenda, he crosses a big line.
Clearly he's going to equate these churches that advocate “social justice” with Obama's administration and make some comparison to how Hitler used the church to push his agenda.
The problem with this is “social justice” in a church context does NOT mean the same thing as it does in a gov't context. Just because Glenn Beck says so, doesn't make it true.
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PRETRIB RAPTURE POLITICS
Many are still unaware of the eccentric, 180-year-old British theory underlying the politics of American evangelicals and Christian Zionists.
Journalist and historian Dave MacPherson has spent more than 40 years focusing on the origin and spread of what is known as the apocalyptic “pretribulation rapture” – the inspiration behind Hal Lindsey's bestsellers of the 1970s and Tim LaHaye's today.
Although promoters of this endtime evacuation from earth constantly repeat their slogan that “it's imminent and always has been” (which critics view more as a sales pitch than a scriptural statement), it was unknown in all official theology and organized religion before 1830.
And MacPherson's research also reveals how hostile the pretrib rapture view has been to other faiths:
It is anti-Islam. TV preacher John Hagee has been advocating “a pre-emptive military strike against Iran.” (Google “Roots of Warlike Christian Zionism.”)
It is anti-Jewish. MacPherson's book “The Rapture Plot” (see Armageddon Books etc.) exposes hypocritical anti-Jewishness in even the theory's foundation.
It is anti-Catholic. Lindsey and C. I. Scofield are two of many leaders who claim that the final Antichrist will be a Roman Catholic. (Google “Pretrib Hypocrisy.”)
It is anti-Protestant. For this reason no major Protestant denomination has ever adopted this escapist view.
It even has some anti-evangelical aspects. The first publication promoting this novel endtime view spoke degradingly of “the name by which the mixed multitude of modern Moabites love to be distinguished, – the Evangelical World.” (MacPherson's “Plot,” p. 85)
Despite the above, MacPherson proves that the “glue” that holds constantly in-fighting evangelicals together long enough to be victorious voting blocs in elections is the same “fly away” view. He notes that Jerry Falwell, when giving political speeches just before an election, would unfailingly state: “We believe in the pretribulational rapture!”
In addition to “The Rapture Plot,” MacPherson's many internet articles include “Famous Rapture Watchers,” “Pretrib Rapture Diehards,” “Edward Irving is Unnerving,” “America's Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” “Pretrib Rapture Secrecy” and “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty” (massive plagiarism, phony doctorates, changing of early “rapture” documents in order to falsely credit John Darby with this view, etc.!).
Because of his devastating discoveries, MacPherson is now No. 1 on the “hate” list of pretrib rapture leaders!
There's no question that the leading promoters of this bizarre 19th century end-of-the-world doctrine are solidly pro-Israel and necessarily anti-Palestinian. In light of recently uncovered facts about this fringe-British-invented belief which has always been riddled with dishonesty, many are wondering why it should ever have any influence on Middle East affairs.
This Johnny-come-lately view raises millions of dollars for political agendas. Only when scholars of all faiths begin to look deeply at it and widely air its “dirty linen” will it cease to be a power. It is the one theological view no one needs!
With apologies to Winston Churchill – never has so much deception been foisted on so many by so few![Also Google "David Letterman's Hate, Etc." and "Obama Supports Public Depravity."]
Obama Advisor: Is Beck man enough to converse with me about Social Justice?
They are coming out in full force to try and make Christians hate Glenn Beck and their main tactic is to suggest that Beck is against social justice, a ‘perceived’ core tenant of the Bible. But the problem with this argument is that the Bible doesn’t say that the government should take care of the poor or that we should advocate for the government to solve our poverty problems, i.e. social justice. The Bible instructs us as individuals to love the poor and to take care of them. It’s called charity. Further more, it isn’t some law that we must obey because it’s there, it something that we do because Christ changed our hearts and we want to do it.
I love how people like to use the section in Acts where everyone in the community sold what they had so that no one would be poor. They like to use this as an example of what Obama is bringing to the table. But it’s not. It was charity. They as individuals did it of their own accord without the government telling them what to do or doing it for them. It wasn’t government wealth distribution as Obama wants to enact (on a larger scale than present). It was charity.
It’s clear, if you listen to Beck, that he is talking about social justice from the standpoint of government being the answer to our needs. In fact the photo labeled ‘charity’ in this post is one that Beck painted himself. But those who want to smear him will continue in this vain because their motives are evil. It’s that simple. They need to shut him up and they are doing everything in their power to make it happen.
I guess they think that the American people are stupid, that we who listen to Beck aren’t smart enough to distinguish between their smear and what Beck is really saying. And that is why come November that they will lose their super majorities and perhaps even their majorities.
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