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Anyone who "snaps" for little or no reason should not own a gun. We need to clean up our mental health system. It's people who "snap" like the Newtown Shooter and the Aurora Theatre Shooter who end up killing innocent civilians because of mental health issues.
Somehow Executive Orders modifying the behavior of citizens, as opposed to the operation of the government internally, seems to fly in the face of the Constitution.
I just had a doctor visit and he asked me if I was depressed, wanted to hurt myself or others and then apologised, saying, "Sorry, I have to ask." I think it's started already.
If my doctor asks me about my gun, I'm going to say when I'm up for action a bit over 6 inches as long as I don't drink too much wine. These fools don't even know the difference between a gun and a weapon. You learn that the first week of basic training.
4 years of undergrad.
4 years of med school
4 years residency
2 years specialty
4 years of law school
2 years of law enforcement training
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20 years (or so)to become an Obamacare doctor. Sounds like a deal!
Work a couple years and retire on welfare!
I'll do the same thing I did when my son's peditrician a few years back asked if we had guns in the house (she said it was a requirement of Obamacare)... I lied... "Nope, no guns, but we do have knives, poisons, explosive chemicals (gas, oil, etc.), and other dangerous objects..." Just to show the Progressive busybody that there are more dangers than just guns.
Healthcare providers do not have time to stand around talking about peoples guns. Obama is on dope. As if healthcare workers are not busy enough. I don't want to hear about patients guns, I'm more interested in their vitals, signs and symptoms.
My mother in law was rushed to the ER last year with a life threatening blood clot. By the time we had gotten there and she was out of surgery, we were being grilled by a sniveling arrogant government social worker and a hospital advocate weeny like common criminals. It turned out that she had said "no" when asked if she felt safe in her home (she lives with us). I told them to file charges or get the hell out of the room.
When recovered, my mother in law did not even recall the interview which apparently was done while she was in severe pain awaiting meds and emergency surgery.
They have time, people and need to justify their existence.
Just don't tell your doctor anything he doesn't need to know. Your doctor doesn't need to know that.
The doctors can't be forced to ask and we can't be forced to provide any info... as usual, he's twisting the truth to misinform Americans. (may not require the collection of any information.. what does he not get about that...)
(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS- A wellness and health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to--`(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or`(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual.`
(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION- None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used for the collection of any information relating to--`(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition;`(B) the lawful use of a firearm or ammunition; or`(C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.`
(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS- None of the authorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be used to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition.`
(4) LIMITATION ON DETERMINATION OF PREMIUM RATES OR ELIGIBILITY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE- A premium rate may not be increased, health insurance coverage may not be denied, and a discount, rebate, or reward offered for participation in a wellness program may not be reduced or withheld under any health benefit plan issued pursuant to or in accordance with the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act on the basis of, or on reliance upon--`(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or`(B) the lawful use or storage of a firearm or ammunition.`
(5) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION REQUIREMENTS FOR INDIVIDUALS- No individual shall be required to disclose any information under any data collection activity authorized under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act relating to--`(A) the lawful ownership or possession of a firearm or ammunition; or`(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition.'.
No.
Read the referenced White House directives again.
By issuing these directives, the administration is imposing an obligation on medical doctors to make an inquiry, etc.
The reason is straight forward. If a doctor fails to make an inquiry, etc. and the patient subsequently kills someone the doctor will exposed to a medical malpractice lawsuit.
Now that makes no sense. How can anyone KNOW what the doctor asked and was told if nothing is reported? How tough would it be to say the patient said no and lied.
In PA, doc's are already required to report to the State dept. of motor vehicles, if you fill out a medical history that admits you have an alcoholic beverage more than a couple of times a week. I'll bet we are not the only State with theses snitch laws either!
This is not a new thing. The electronic medical records system we have at our office have that as a question the doctor is supposed to ask. Our docs have refused so far but this has been in the works for a while from this administration. Nothing shocks me about these idiots any more
The Drs can be requested to ask, but they can't be required to... yet. It's in the provision added by none other than Harry Reid and voted on by all dems, so it can't be blamed on "right wing extremists in the GOP"..
(1) WELLNESS AND PREVENTION PROGRAMS- A wellness and health promotion activity implemented under subsection (a)(1)(D) may not require the disclosure or collection of any information relating to--`(A) the presence or storage of a lawfully-possessed firearm or ammunition in the residence or on the property of an individual; or`(B) the lawful use, possession, or storage of a firearm or ammunition by an individual.`
So if doctors refuse to participate will the lose the licences? Yes they will.
Obama see's himself as a dictator now. No doubt about it.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha-----hahahahahahahahahaha
O, o, o, o ---Obama----what an expert...hahahahahahahahaha
This is all going to backfire on Obama. The doctors I know will never agree to this...instead they may warn their patients of impending government stalking.
Rush that guy Lou who called you today and blamed all of U.S. for pulling the trigger that killed those kids, that's a perfect example of whom they are and now whole states almost..They blame everything and everyone who's not guilty for their wrong doing..It'a a blameless society unless of course you are a Conservative..That's how they glide through life with no Guilt about any of their evils..
If one of my doctors ever asked me about my gun ownership, I would be shocked, and then I would lie right to his/her face. Nope. Don't own any weapons. Never have and never will. Duh.
......(as you wink and point your index finger at him) and don't forget to click your tongue at the same time.
No Doc. But sometimes, at certain phases of the moon, I have vile, eerie, destructive thoughts, that I'm usually able to control. Want to hear some of them?
oy. I was serious. You mean you don't really have weird thoughts as the moon phases? silly duckie. ;-)
Glad I made ya laugh NY.
Rush points to an important aspect: doctors will be held responsible by the authorities should one of their patients actually use a gun, so they will feel forced to ask.
The thing is though that the criminals will lie anyway, if they actually go to a doctor.
This will only affect law abiding citizens, that cannot be repeated often enough!
Btw - are authorities bothered by mothers using ilelgal drugs, are they bothered by those mothers having those drugs at home, with their small children? No - there are enough reports about babies drinking the methadon, or eating the marijuana, and dying.
The authorities don't give a toss about that.
Aaand - what about that much hyped 'patient confidentiality'? Is it to be scrapped just because of ... guns?
It's about control of law abiding citizens, not about gun control.
could swear, at one point in 2009-2010, there was talk of penalties for giving false info to dr when being covered under obamacare.
there already is for medicare/medicaid regarding fraud, maybe it was related to that I just cannot remember for sure.
Yeah, I can imagine the jailhouse conversation..."what are you in for?", "not telling my Dr. there was a gun in the house..."
Sorry to be late answering (time difference ...): it is worse, actually, because as Christians we're not supposed to lie.
This is a situation where we've got to learn to be as wily as snakes.
I think you folks are over-reacting. Often the first and only person who recognizes that an individual is unstable is the family physician. There should be some way of allowing them to tip off authorities of what they see as a potential threat to society. In most cases, it'll be a suicide threat or murder suicide threat within the family. It's a very delicate issue, but you've got to have someone in society in a position to set in motion preventative initiatives. Instead of just griping ... why not offer logical functional suggestions. After all, crazy people kill people ... not guns.
And before you start ranting at me, let me make it clear that I'm a gun owner, including pistol owner from Canada. I admire and respect America for the freedoms offered gun owners. I've hosted hundreds of American hunters in my former camp ... I - Like - Guns. I'm a conservative as well, as my blog should make very clear.
So I ask ... what logical steps can be taken to begin restricting the access to guns for crazy people? Bitching at your fascist president doesn't cut it because I think he's just offered some good over-all starting points.
"Often the first and only person who recognizes that an individual is unstable is the family physician."
You're kidding right? The family doc is simply the only one not in denial. The family always knows first but weak people have been brainwashed by a nanny state culture, that they are not responsible for their actions or the action of their families.
This is a perfect example of a common collectivist argument that promotes the abandonment of personal responsibility and shifts it to the State (or in this case a doctor acting on behalf of the State). The State of course welcomes it because along with shifting one's self-responsibility to the State - the State is able to take away liberty and freedom.
We already have background checks - you should stop accepting the false arguments of a fascist. He is taking advantage of a crisis to grow his power and to usurp the rights and freedoms of free law abiding citizens.
Where do we start? Reject Government. Return to a nation of self-reliant responsible citizens, and stop looking to an pathetic corrupt, bloated Central Government for solutions to to the very problems they created.
btw it is not possible to "overreact" to an absolute and Unconstitutional invasion of our privacy, and a full blown attack on our First, Second and Fourth Amendment protections.
People aren't "returning" to anything anytime soon. And, simply wishing that they do so won't make it so.
The problem is that America has a "murder" problem; and it has a "gun murder" problem. Some Western nations like the UK have as much violence; but nobody comes close to the USA in murder rates and gun murder rates.
Is the only solution then to create one massive armed camp where all public space is patrolled by armed guard? If that's the case, I suggest that the country has utterly and completely devolved and could hardly be called civilized.
What are the concrete steps that can be taken to reduce gun violence? With 300 millions guns out there; I don't think much can be done.
Here is my list as a starting point ( and some of it applies to Canada)
- give up on the war on drugs. It's been lost. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing wrong again and again and expecting different results. You'll save hundreds of thousands of lives, and likely billions of dollars by admitting that the war is lost. You'll stop the Mexican drug war and take away the number one reason for gun murder ... drug money. Sure, you'll have millions of junkies ... but you got those anyway. You'll get massive push back from the War on Drugs industry though ... the War means big gov, and big gov., loves the war.
- License people to own guns; don't restrict or license guns. That means that likely 90% of Americans could own whatever gun they want. You could even have a graduated set of licenses, like hunting/home defense/conceal carry/military all dependent on a criteria. In Canada the basic course to be licensed is not too difficult ... if you can't pass it, you shouldn't own a gun. The NRA should be put in charge of courses and standards. Sure, you'd create a huge bureaucracy but I'd punt the entire system onto the states.
- enact brutally stiff penalties for violent gun crime and build lots more jails. But then, with no war on drugs ... you'd likely have lots of space as it is.
- buy back guns. I think that 300 million in circulation is half the problem. Voluntarily giving up garbage guns is as much a right as owning them. The United States civilian population owns most of the world's guns ... think on that stat for a bit.
Obama's list of 23 Executive Orders is a long list of increased spending and expanded government programs, none of which really address the problems this country has with violence and mental illness. Writing an EO to say that we should have a conversation seems a bit worthless, to me. Just have the d@mn conversation. Telling doctors to ask about guns doesn't solve any medical problems. If they are going to diagnose mental illness in a family, checking on guns isn't where they should start.
There are a ton of conversations going on right now, discussing solutions to the problems and none of them restrict or violate the 2nd amendment of the Constitution (if you have a blog about this, then you should know that).
Obama hasn't offered a good starting point for discussions. He's offered a good starting point for restrictions on our Constitutional rights. He knew he couldn't outright take them away, so nibbling at the edges is always a good start.
When a President comes out with 23 EOs that do nothing to solve the problem at hand, that allows anybody to complain about him, no matter what you think.
Have you forgotten Benghazi yet?? How about Fast and Furious?? Gay marriage?? Securing the borders?? Giving illegals jobs and welfare?? All this gun business is just a distraction. He knows American won't give up their guns. If he throws enough garbage out the people have too much to respond to and he can go about implementing his plan to destroy the economy.....and the country. A more evil man cannot be found in all of America.
Hey celestialjunk. I don't think this in itself could be a bad thing, but taken along with everything else the dear leader has and is and plans to do, it's not beyond belief that requiring doctors to ask their patients if they own fire arms that the government will use that info against law abiding citizens.
Dear leader is making it to where the government controls everything and trampling the Constitution in the process, and using his thugs to implement it all.
The Federal Govt. doesn't have the authority. End of story. The Constitution doesn't give them the authority to even ask.
What is so darn hard about this for people to understand?
Homeland security's Napolitano has anounced they intend to support all directives of the tyrant holding our WH hostage.
There is no need to tell a doctor whether you have a gun or not. Tell them to quote you, and send a personal message to the coke head in office, "FU."
The seriously mentally ill need to be institutionalized, this is not about the mere depressed.
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