Our govt has become despotic in their attempt to impose the NWO agenda on the citizens of our nation! Intentional dumbing down of our youth,intentional destruction of our economy, the increase of regulations that strip away our individual constitutional rights! We have lost millions in the fight against communism, we must continue the fight in their honor! I read a comment that stated that the person was tired of hearing about all of the complaining and nothing being done about the corruption in our govt.! Citizens need to call,email everyday to their elected representatives demanding that they stop allowing this govts agenda to continue to fight hard to manuever us into a third world nation! Our elected officials need to be hammered every day to let them know of your disapproval of going with the flow of Wash. The communist liberal is working hard with their lies and deceit to steal our individual freedoms! Look and research what this current administration is doing! It could'nt be more obvious. They lie about their caring about the middle class all the while destroying it! I just heard that the chi-coms are working with the U.S. to takeover General Motors,who are now building cadillacs in china to satisfy their lust for the vehicle, IN CHINA! Our economy has been engineered by this communist administration to decline to third world standards,it does'nt have to be this way! The lies about global warming,the lies about how this economy was inherited! The stimulus was nothing more than a gift to those that will work to support this administrations overthrow of our constitution! Either lay down and let this govt steamroll over your constitutional rights or start letting Wash know your concerns!
"we have to pass this bill to see what's in it", well they passed it and we see what's in it and it's worse than anyone could have imagined so it's time to get rid of it.
Sorry for the mini rant... I'll tone it down a bit.
For those of you that have too much pride to vote for the person running against this monster, shame on you - check your pride at the door and get out and vote anyway! How many times does it have to be said?
Obama and his Justice Department are allowing rampant voter fraud to go on, Obama is keeping the borders pourous, attempting to give away 50% of our sovereign oil interests in the oceans, making hidden promises to Russia, allowing China to walk all over us, further empowering NATO, killing domestic oil drilling, over-regulating business, spending our money with no limits, paying off corrupt people and countries with tax-payer money, socializing everything he can, increasing government size and dependency, driving millions to food stamps and further enslaving Americans... I could go on.
If you don't do the right thing in November, then live with the consequences. Because America won't exist anymore. It's already becoming unrecognizable. Vote this bastard out!
I think SCOTUs is going to strike O'care. O wants a second term to fix healthcare. Romney wants a first term to fix healthcare.
Where is the Don't Fix It Go Away option? That's who gets my vote.
like Bill Clinton>>The Dictator in Chief just won't leave us alone....kind of like herpes...only worse....
I don't know when a decision is due...this summer late? But if they do rule against the law, the wheels are going to fly off of he and his cronies plans for America. What worries me about Romney (among many other things) is Romney saying he would keep parts of it.
What will republicans, conservatives, tea partiers and libertarians say against Obamacare if Obama re-does Obamacare so that it passes constitutionality? Do y'all think that the Left cares about your economic arguments? - They don't give a toss whether it's economic suicide. It's for the children and for the elderly and for the sick and for the poor dontcha know? - There is NO challenge (offered by any republican, conservative, tea partier or libertarian) to that kind of moral argument.
Until you can refute and denounce that kind of moral argument, then there is NO HOPE for you in the battle against Obamacare and the plethora of other social-welfare policies advocated by the marxists, communists and socialists in government.
Basically, you have to be able to say "You are not your brother's keeper", because until you can say that, then you won't be able to say "You are not your brother's healthcare provider" or "You are not your brother's pension provider" or "You are not your brother's food stamp provider", etc. Tell me, how many of you Christians out there are OK with doing this, considering that when God (allegedly) confronted Cain about the slaying of his brother, and Cain asked whther he was his brother's keeper, God replied "Yes, Cain, you are your brother's keeper"? How many of you are OK with going against your religion, if it means preventing your country from becoming a marxist socialist communist hellhole?
"Very few of you", is the answer.
I re-read the passage in Gen 4 where Cain said "Am I my brother's keeper". Nowhere does God respond "Yes, you are your brother's keeper". So the basis of your argument does not hold water.
Provision of essentials like healthcare are part of a sound private economy. If we have a sound private economy, people are able to purchase essentials as needed. A sound private economy provides a surplus so that those who are unable to provide for themselves can be cared for out of that surplus.
A government-run economy is less efficient and productive and thus has no surplus to provide for the needy. This is why inefficient government-run economies have to ration goods like healthcare as in Great Britain.
Any persons who care about the poor and needy should welcome a strong, prosperous private economic system that encourages production and surplus so that the needs of all can be met.
You're right, but the vast majority of people believe that "you are your brother's keeper" because it's a principle which is consistent with the general "self-sacrifice for the sake of others = good/moral" ethics of Jesus Christ, and there is no real challenge to that code of ethics in Christianity, or indeed in other religions. None of them preach that "selfishness is moral" - All of them preach that "self-sacrifice for the sake of others is moral". That's as far as I know, anyway.
I'm in full agreement with your 'economic' arguments, but if you gave them to someone on the Left, they'd turn around and tell you you're immoral for not advocating government social-welfare programs, then they'd go into demagogue/emotional mode and start berating you for not caring about the children, the sick, the weak, the poor, the homeless, and so on... and then when you say that you do, but privately, they'll turn around and say that's not good enough, because you've been too selfish; you haven't completely emptied your wallet for your fellow man; you haven't spilt enough blood for your fellow man. Nothing will satiate their lust for self-sacrifice, because they believe that human sacrifice is a moral imperative, and if you aren't willing to sacrifice everything, including your own life, for your fellow man, then you are selfish and therefore evil and must be condemned at every opportunity.
I - not the government - am my brother's keeper. I - as a Bible believing Christ follower - am still responsible to give to those in need. Giving by force to the US government (which is what taxes are) does not absolve me of being charitable and living my life in love. I have no problem stating that to the progressives.
I AM my brothers keeper! I can assist my brother, neighbor, unknown persons around the world who are hungry, jobless, sick, and otherwise troubled though private charities. I can help him and have the expectation that when he has been helped, he will get back on his feet, take care of himself and then help to take care of others. If he is unable to ever get back on his feet there other private groups to help with long term care.
The government created cradle to grave healthcare, pension, food stamps. Government has proven time and time again that it is capable of managing any of those programs. Do you really think the answer is to allow them to have unlimited control over everything?
The system set up now and has checks and balances built into it. If a company or a charity is doing something illegal or underhanded it is sued, by other persons or the government. When the government has ultimate control the people are at the mercy of bureaucrats, I guess brothers to you.
The government is not a brother, to me nor to the people which it claims to help. The government is bully.
Very many of us is the answer to your question. This has been a Christian nation for over two hundred years. People have helped troubled brothers when they get into a jam because they are their brothers keeper. There will always be poor among us. There also will always be dangerous, power hungry people among us, they will always be drawn to the government.
And they will make laws that give themselves power over the masses while exempting themselves from any of those laws.
Quote: "I AM my brothers keeper! I can assist my brother, neighbor, unknown persons around the world who are hungry, jobless, sick, and otherwise troubled though private charities"
And yet wodiej said to me that it only applies to "family members".
But I digress... :)
The claim that "You are your brother's keeper" may be fine being applied privately, so long as it's voluntary (although I do have other problems with it) - But what you have to understand is that there is nothing to stop it from being applied on a national, if not international scale. It's just a very small leap of logic for someone to make, especially if they're someone in a position of power. There's nothing to stop entire governments from forcing people to be their brother's keeper (except maybe the declaration of independence, properly understood and consistently accepted).
You kept referring to "you" like you are not conservative or libertarian. Are you liberal then or just throwing your two cents worth in?
The bible verse could also be interpreted as taking care of an actual family member not every lazy loafer on the planet. Jesus also said if a man doesn't want to work, he doesn't need to eat.
Many people are also under the impression that it takes a village to raise a child which I strongly disagree with. If a parent is responsible then they won't need anyone taking care of their child. Don't have kids you can't afford to raise, feed and pay for their schooling without public dollars. I believe in God but but I do not interpret the bible the same others do.
No, I'm not a Liberal - I'm an Objectivist, which means that I reject the moral code of altruism and collectivism that is preached both on the Left and the Right. I don't just give economic arguments to the Left's social-welfare policies - I actually tackle the moral code behind them, because that's the only thing that has any chance of stopping the Left's advance. You can give all the economic arguments in the world, but it won't do anything to sway/defeat the Left, since the Left believes that what they're doing is morally right and therefore that they should do it regardless of whether it leads us all to ruin/destruction. They will happily destroy the whole world if it means that they're living up to their moral code of collectivist-altruism.
Yes, that bible verse 'may' be about family members, rather than just 'anyone' - But that just isn't a persuasive argument to stop such things from being used as justification for social-welfare policies. Obama himself has repeated multiple times the line "You are your brother's keeper". Go look it up. I've seen conservatives say it, I've seen republicans say it, and I've seen libertarians say it. It's a widespread problem.
How do you like it, knowing that the bible is being used as the justification for the destruction of the country... nigh the whole world?
Believe it or not, but the claim that "You are your brother's keeper" was at the heart of the ideologies of socialism, marxism, fascism and communism. The idea went: If service and self-sacrifice to others is the moral ideal, then we'll do it on a national scale; we'll force whole countries to be their brother's keeper, at the point of a gun; we'll force them ALL to be moral, whether they like it or not.
You're right, but tell that to Obama
And there are countless other videos of this.
Again, I would encourage you to go back and actually read Genesis chapter 4. No where does it say or imply that "we are our brother's keeper". The statement came after Cain had killed his brother in a fit of anger. God asked Cain where his brother was and Cain responded with "How should I know, am I my brother's keeper?" But in fact Cain did know where his brother was -- because he had killed him. God also knew this and responded by telling Cain he was now cursed due to his murderous actions. How can anyone claim this Bible verse advocates that "we are all our brother's keeper"?
Wow. Just wow. Looks like Obama is going to make Obamacare a front a center issue in this election cycle, whether he meant to or not.
Democrats lost seats EVERYWHERE in 2010 over Obamacare. They think its a winning issue.
Can't wait to say to my liberal relatives, yea Obama is the one. He's one and done!
I'm not so sure they see it as a winning issue. Well, I guess they would because it will get their freeloading voters out to vote. But, I think the left knows this is the most important step to pushing us into a socialist country with much more government control. They don't care if it's a winner for us as long as it's a winner for them (power).
I hear Cesar Chavez is knocking at Satan's door. Maybe Obama could take over the dictatorship for him in Venezuela. All the policies that he likes are already in place. Then he won't have to deal with selfish Americans who demand to take back and maintain their liberty and freedom.
I think he was setting his sights a little higher than that after his time in the White House. Like maybe President of the U.N. World Government, perhaps?
I have always sensed that Hussein Obama envisions himself the Post American President who would "ascend" to UN Secretary General after his 8 year term to demolish the U.S Constitution.
America is the last stand. Our Constitution their last obstacle.
Nukeman60, you and I are thinking the same thing. Just saw your post after I replied to sjmom!
BO doesn't understand that America is 'exceptional'. It seems we are just 'another country' to him in his conquest to rule the world.
Ok, so Obama publicly threatens Kennedy to scare him. That didn't work. Then he has a seemingly drunken Leahy threaten Roberts on the floor of the Senate. That apparently didn't work either. So, now he needs to get re-elected to fix everything the 'dastardly' Supreme Court is going to reverse.
This is just one more indication that he got the hot-skinny from Kagan. This time it's more blatant, as he is doing this with private donors and they usually are more 'honest' in their private conclaves.
Nice. Watch 'em squirm.
I can't wait until the day the Supreme Court declares it unconstitutional. The liberals are going to go balistic and I'm going to laugh in their faces. Yeah, I'm like that, lol.
God forbid the Supreme Court rules in favor of the healthcare debacle and God forbid Obama gets another term. If he really wants to be a ruler, perhaps, somewhere on the planet they are looking for someone like him. Antartica maybe??????
I think he sees America as a 'stepping stone'. First, he rules America, then he rules the world! It's way past time we take our country back and send this self-imposed ruler back where he came from -- wherever that may be!
But, what did Antartica ever do? I say his homeland...there's a village in Kenya looking for their idiot. Just sayin.......
After the first year of unsuccessfully trying to pass Obamacare, the President said he was going to concentrate on jobs and the economy. But within weeks he was back to stumping for Obamacare again. After 1000 speeches it finally passed. I think he wore everyone down until they were ready to pass anything if it would just get him to shut up. He never did get around to making jobs his first priority (except to create temporary green jobs for his big-time donors using the taxpayer's money.) Now he says he needs a second term so he can go back and revisit Obamacare? No thanks! Nobody wants to see a remake of that horror movie.