The Right Scoop
If this is a step in the "right" direction, I would hate to see what he thinks a step in the wrong direction is. Well, if you're hoping that the economy will collapse so that everyone becomes dependent on government handouts in order to live, then I guess it IS a step in the right direction. Which is why we need to make a big change in November.
I just sat down with my trusty little abacus this afternoon (since my slide rule had dead batteries), and started to crunch some numbers. This is what I came up with:
Let's give Obama the benefit of the doubt (that was hard to do!), and say he actually has created 4.4 million jobs in the last 28 months. That would be 157,000 jobs/month. Now, the workforce population is growing by 100,000 to 150,000 per month. Let's once again be generous and say the average is 125,000 people/month. We have to accomodate for them.
Now, what would it take to bring the U6 unemployment rate of right now (15%) down to Bush's worst U6 number of 10%? That would be reducing only 1/3 of Obama's numbers at Obama's self-glorifying rate of 157,000 jobs/month.
157,000 (jobs/month regained) - 125,000 (workforce/month increased)= 32,000 jobs/month can be deducted from the unemployment ranks. The U6 has us at 22,870,000 unemployed. 1/3 of that is 7,620,000.
7,620,000 (jobs) divided by 32,000 (jobs/month) = 238 months (19.85 years), to get to Bush's worst level of unemployment.
So there you have it. If we accept Obama's great jobs numbers, we can reduce the unemployment rate to Bush's worst numbers (10% on U6, 6% on U3) in 20 years, assuming we re-elect him until 2032, that is. Numbers don't lie, Barry. Doesn't sound so good now, does it?
(Of course, we would have to suspend term limits, but that's a small thing in this administration)
I made it through 13 seconds and then could not listen anymore. I seriously think there is something mentally wrong with this guy. he spews out nothing but hatred and lies and really thinks the American people are going to believe it? I think we are headed for another recession or are in one now. Of course the MSM will never report it. And guess what 84,000 jobs created is? Thats 1474 jobs per state (57 states remember). That is horrific.
I was thinking kinda the same thing, he looks sickly. Must be all that crap he has in his body and trying to spew out....
And the Calliope plays on . . . .
While 13 midgets try to get into a tiny car, and clowns make balloon animals, in the center ring we have the Amazing Obama as he walks the high wire without a net!
Ahhh, the Circus is in town!!!
Obama, don't ever drive me to work. I couldn't handle you telling me it's a step in the right direction when we are still in the driveway over three years later. Idiot.
...the only STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION is for Mao Obama to leave by the WHITE HOUSES BACK DOOR in January 2013 !"
Here are the pertinent definitions for what comes out of Obama's mouth:
A Sociopath
A sociopath is typically defined as someone who lies incessantly to get their way and does so with little concern for others. A sociopath is often goal-oriented (i.e., lying is focused - it is done to get one's way). Sociopaths have little regard or respect for the rights and feelings of others. Sociopaths are often charming and charismatic, but they use their talented social skills in manipulative and self-centered ways.
Compulsive Liar
A compulsive liar is defined as someone who lies out of habit. Lying is their normal and reflexive way of responding to questions. Compulsive liars bend the truth about everything, large and small. For a compulsive liar, telling the truth is very awkward and uncomfortable while lying feels right. Compulsive lying is usually thought to develop in early childhood, due to being placed in an environment where lying was necessary. For the most part, compulsive liars are not overly manipulative and cunning (unlike sociopaths), rather they simply lie out of habit - an automatic response which is hard to break and one that takes its toll on a relationship.
Doesn't take a psychologist to ascertain which definition fits Obama.
Great . . . we get a two-fer with Obama. How people can't see Obama for what he is defies logic. I have an 88 year old friend who see right through Obama. She is one smart old broad! She says he lies with every breath and she has caught him time and time again in his lies. Why can't people in their 20's see it? Winston Churchill was right - if you're not a liberal in your 20's you have no heart - if you're not a conservative in your 40's, you have no brain.
Have you ever seen that lady on Fox that analyzes body language? She watches people in criminal cases and tells you if they are lying or not. Well, she has watched Obama on several occasions and she will not talk about truthfulness. If he was being so honest would she avoid going there? The way I look at it she doesn't want the backlash for pointing out his lies.
She is also a guest on Bill O'Reilly, who will bend over backwards to not denigrate Obama. He doesn't like his guests speaking poorly of the Imperial Majesty.
He's still on that Holy Grail quest to get his personal interview with Obama on Fox.
Yeah, I guess FOX wouldn't appreciate if she pulled a "Joe Wilson" saying "YOU LIE!!!"
Funny he should bring up "where we were back in 2007". I wonder what is significant about that year? Couldn't be the left taking over congress, could it? That bit needs to be spliced with something else that mentions the democrats taking the house and run as an ad.
About this slogan: "Betting On America"
Mr. President, this country is NOT a gamble. It's something we live and breathe every day. It's deep down in the core of our convictions. You cut us and we bleed red, white, and blue.
That's not a gamble or a bet; that's a way of life. With all due respect, Sir.
While to us he shouldn't be gambling with our nation, we know that he is! That's why what he's doing has many people up in arms.
Gambling with the nation?
Hardly--he's been unable to get through most of his agenda because Republicans have put party ahead of country. They're the ones who have gambled away the livelihoods of all too many. And Obama's signature achievement-- the Affordable Care Act--which you all deride-- was based upon a plan from the right-wing Heritage Foundation-- and modeled after Romney's own Massachusetts plan.
It's a free market, insurance-favoring, business-leaning health care plan. We progressives find it problematic because it wasn't democratic, eschewed the public option, avoided single payer, etc.
Thanks for the dialogue, Starman. Believe it or not, I don't hate the President. I do vehemently oppose his policies, however. And I also question his motives.
I'll take a stab at answering your questions to try to promote understanding between us - folks who are clearly at opposite ends.
We have freedom in America, which includes freedom to fail. Am I for the auto industry going bankrupt? Well, first of all, it was GM that was in that position, not the whole industry. And, yes, if a company can't make it, they will fail, so we need to let them. That's not necessarily a bad thing! It means the company goes on sale to pay creditors. And perhaps someone would buy it and make it more competitive. Did you realize there was a story just this past week that we may have to bail out GM again? At what point is it OK to not bail out a company? After you've spent how many billion? President Obama has said he wants to do what he did for GM for every industry. Are you for that? Is there any business that we shouldn't bail out? Who decides? I say the free market should decide. If someone wants to risk their capital to try and make a business succeed, go for it! But government should stay out of that arena.
You said, "Do you honestly think that Solyndra represents the entire green energy, federal stimulus program?" No, but when Light-squared, Ener1, Beacon Power, Solar Trust of America, and Abound Solar all received funds AND filed for bankruptcy, I tend to conclude this isn't working very well at all. Government shouldn't be in the business of picking winners and losers.
In regard to finances of the country in general, we must realize that the government doesn't produce anything. They get their money from the private sector in the form of taxes, by borrowing or printing it. So, to claim that the government gives huge tax give-aways to the rich, I take that to mean that the government doesn't take as much tax money from someone who is rich.
I will be the first to admit that the tax system in America is a mess. It needs to be scrapped and replaced. You and I wouldn't agree as to what that should look like, since you think President Obama's solutions have been modest, at the margins and insufficient to put millions back to work. I think his policies have decimated our economy.
As a country we have to face facts: we are ~$16 Trillion in debt and we borrow 40 cents for every dollar we spend. This cannot be sustained. You can demonize rich people all you want, but that is not going to solve the problems we have. If we give people the freedom to thrive in their businesses (by cutting tax rates and deregulating) they hire people to increase their business; and those new hires become taxpayers. This kind of growth in our economy / tax base is the only way we're going to get out of this mess in addition to cutting government spending. Clearly the government trying to grow our economy hasn't worked - it never has. Time to let the free market work.
Been nice talking to you, Starman!
Unlike you right-wingers, I have no problem criticizing his policies, but also recognizing his accomplishments. That is, I can see reality-- I'm not blinded by hatred or ideology.
I have no problem faulting him for various end runs, anti-democratic actions. I have no problem faulting him for being too close to investment bankers.
But to counter each of your points--
Did you really want the auto industry to go bankrupt as Romney proclaimed?
Do you honestly think that Solyndra represents the entire green energy, federal stimulus program? That's as bad as saying that Bain's success = Staples or that its failure = pick any one of the dozens of companies that he got rich off of.
Are you all really falling for Romney's turn back the clock policies-- financial deregulation, huge tax give aways to the rich, etc.?? That's what brought us to the brink of complete economic catastrophe in the first place under Bush. I, and other progressives, would agree that Obama's solutions are modest, at the margins, and are insufficient to put millions back to work. But cutting government support programs, spending billions more on defense for imperialism and to satisfy military-industrial corporate greed, and eliminating taxes on capital gains are hardly the solution.
Incidentally, I thought the conservative principle was that you had to work hard to earn your money-- not just earn it while you sleep!
"he's been unable to get through most of his agenda because Republicans have put party ahead of country" Boy, does that get it completely backwards. Many conservatives voted in repubs / conservatives in 2010 to try and stop President Obama's agenda exactly because he was putting his agenda ahead of the country. Praise God they have stopped him somewhat. But, of course, he "can't wait" and has put Executive orders in force to do what he wants in spite of Congress.
Which leads me to some questions for you. You say "We progressives find it (ACA) problematic because it wasn't democratic". Do you find all the other un-democratic things he has done problematic? Like putting particular GM dealerships out of business? Putting those with secured debt in the GM bailout last on the list of those who should be paid? Giving stimulus dollars to so-called green energy companies who were campaign donors, that went bankrupt? Doing end runs around Congress through his agencies (ATF, ICE, etc)?
DUE respect???? Surely you jest. Obama deserves NO respect and DON'T call him SIR.
HopenChangecartoon site called it "gambling with your future". Some slogan.
http://hopenchangecartoons.blogspot.com/
How many slogans has Obama had now? I lost count way back at the Arizona Memorial for the Giffords shooting. WTF?
If you're an American and you believe anything that comes out of this man's mouth, then you don't deserve to be free. Simply disgusting how he's trying to spin this. But then again, that's communists for you.
Obama, a communist?! Unbelievable nonsense. As to spinning, and what comes out of candidate's mouths, Romney has an incredible run of lies, fabrications, and mis-representations.
They range from the first TV ad of the primary season in NH--where he falsified Obama's statements to the recent, repeated deliberate mis-representations of building things alone. I thought it pretty funny that it turned out that businessman featured in Romney's ad about it built his business with federal Small Business Administration loans!
If you all want to spew this nonsense, please proceed.
But, for those of you who want to learn something, expand your horizons and be exposed to other views-- try reading-- and thinking about--the recent Washington Post essay by James C. Roumell who founded Roumell Asset Management LLC.
NObama saying this is a "step in the right direction" just shows more proof that the country is going in the wrong direction. The only way we might get going in the RIGHT direction is by electing a new President and Conservative politicians in every position at national and local level we can.
Interesting!! What he is saying is that he has created about 4.4 M jobs in the government sector. Definitely, his intention is to grow and grow government and absorb part of the 8.2 % that are hanging out there. Waow!! He kept on with his promises of transforming America. Never mind how deep in debts we are. The more "jobs" he creates, the deeper the private sector goes into debt!!
Actually, they have been private sector jobs-- he's overseen the creation of more private sector jobs in the past year than Bush did in his entire 8 years!
If by "direction" he means backward, then he's right (although it's a lot more than one step...).
I kept waiting for the obama to say, "... give me 24 more years and I'll get it fixed.".
What an asinine disaster. Folks i know would hold their head in shame for what has happened in the last 42 months.
Such nonsense!
This entry contains an outright misrepresentation.
Obama did NOT say that *THIS* jobs report represented a "step in the right direction", but that private sector job growth over the past 2+ years does.
Here's the full quote and context.
"Obama, campaigning in Ohio, focused on private-sector job growth.
"Businesses have created 4.4 million new jobs over the past 28 months, including 500,000 new manufacturing jobs," Obama said. "That's a step in the right direction."
It's really appalling when so-called journalists, essayists, and political pundits are willing to stretch the truth or even make it up to make their case. You don't need to do that--and such misrepresentations show that you care more for your ideology than the truth.
How do you handle the fact that there have been 4 million+ jobs created in the past two months? Makes the reality of a weak economic situation a lot more complex--and shows how simple-minded people are to claim that Obama has done little. I'm a critic of him, but he and investment banker cronies (aka the Goldman Sachs-Bain Capital type folks) did stave off a Great Depressiong!
"How do you handle the fact that there have been 4 million+ jobs created in the past two months?"
Where, on Andromeda?
Re-read and you'll see that I wrote, "28 months". But don't let facts get in the way of your ideology!
Re-read your post. I quoted your own words, but don't let that get that get in the way of your ideaology.
BTW, there must be a gap in the time-space continuum between Earth and Andremeda, as this post was about 6 weeks ago....
Scoop put up the whole clip, including the part you quoted. We are all happy to read the full text and STILL can see that the numbers are down, down, down.
Aside from that, Obama has a strongly Socialist agenda. I really hope you'll see this! I'm not going to flame you for asking people to read quotes in context; we should certainly do that. I thank you for it.
Still doesn't change the fact that he believes in bigger government and government control, having stated outright that he did not want a tax plan that lets people keep more money than they need. Doesn't change the fact that we are in staggering debt and unemployment roles have gone ever higher. 2 steps forward, 3 steps back.
You really don't know what socialism is, do you?! I wish he were a democratic socialist in the tradition of Eugene Debs and Michael Harrington-- then we might actually be moving the country in a decent direction. You right-wingers also contradict yourselves claiming he's also a crony capitalist!
In any event, you're so worried about socialism, let me ask you a couple of questions. Do you believe in
1) The direct election of U.S. Senators by the people?
2) The 40-hour work week?
3) The 8-hour week day?
4) An end to child labor?
5) Food and drug safety laws?
6) Women's right to vote?
etc.
All came about thanks to the work of socialists-- all key parts of the socialist agenda in the late 19th century and early 20th century-- all called radical, out of the mainstream, etc. at one time, now considered key elements of a decent society.
some carry Obamas water, you in particular want to carry Obama toilet paper and all of a sudden vow to be his toilet paper, you've proven yourself worthy of a fool's calling !
Nice, really nice. Glad to see that you believe in high-level discourse. OTOH, when people resort to such sophomoric insults, it's a clear indication that their viewpoint has no substance or evidence!
How many of those so called 4 million jobs were temporary, government, union or for the IRS?
According to dear leader, the private sector is doing just fine. Tell that to those who are still unemployed after 3 years.
I feel for you, my friend.
While our economic picture is somewhat better here in Canada, it sure isn't the bed of roses it seems to be.
We just got out job figures and the city I live in (85,000+) has one of the highest jobless rates in the province-6.1%. I have put out 50 resumes in the past six weeks and today, was the first interview I have had out of all of them. We'll see how many others they had to interview and wheter I stand out enough to be hired.
I sure hope you can find something wodiej. My husband had passed his 99 weeks long before he found a temp job over the winter months. While he's been promised a job next winter, we're back to no income. It's hard all over. I'll keep you in my prayers.
How do you get by? I've been out of work very briefly two different times, and I can tell you I was really, really scared. Best of luck to you!
What we were in was a recession, much like we get every 10 years or so. Recessions last about 12-18 months with no intervention. What the Democratic Congress did was crash the housing market to create a fiasco. What Obama then did, when he came into office, was to create a Japan-style recession/depression that will last a decade or more if not stopped and turned around right now.
4 million jobs created in the last 28 months??? We can't even keep up with the expanding populace. Who's the one stretching the truth now? Is this your day to come over to the Conservative's site and spread Obamatalk. You're a critic of Obama, but you carry his water. Hmmm...
This video shows that Obama spun the jobs report in a positive light, which is pure BS. Are you keeping track of the number of lies Obama has saved and/or created, as well? Go back to MediaMatters. Your job is done here.
Next time you are thirsty don't drink the kool-aid. Take a hard look at the post from william above.
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