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Very troubling votes. Hagel is an unqualified buffoon. Kerry is basically an anti-American propagandist...unless the pro-American position in question directly benefits him. I fully expect him to vote to confirm Brennan today, after filibustering him yesterday.
After all, Obama won.
What a hypocrit .. either you like him or you don't .. either he can do the job or he can't .. if you abandon your principles, you have nothing left, period.
This flushes down the toilet the only senator that suposedly had any integrity. The score is now clear: 535 traitors and enemies of the American People.
Paul's dad is a certified nutcase. I guess Rand wants to be a certified RINO like his friend Gramnesty. A pox on all you turn coat jerks.
Several months ago, Mark Levin raised the issue that Ron Paul was trying to run away from--some anti-Semitic pamphlets that he had published in the fifties (or earlier).
Rand Paul positioned himself as more conservative than libertarian? Is this a case of the acorn not falling far from the oak?
I think he should have voted not to confirm. In other words, he should have formally said, "I do not consent." No Senator has to consent to a nominee that he believes would be a bad choice, regardless of why that Senator believes it.
However, those holding up the process wanting more information should have gotten it, and made it public before allowing the vote to happen. Does anyone know if that happened? I sure didn't see it anywhere.
I'll have to say, however, that we did have to allow the vote to happen. You can't hold up the vote unless you come up with some indication of incompetence, negligence, or criminal behavior.
But once the vote happens, you don't vote "for" the guy just because the President gets to nominate whoever he wants. That's a very weak rationale, and it's not supported by either logic or history.
We all should commit to memory the fact that in Robert Bork's confirmation vote, six Republican senators voted "NO." Bork was not confirmed, and we ended up with Anthony Kennedy.
UPDATE:
"Republicans Who Voted to Confirm Plainly-Unqualified Man to Lead the Defense Department... Remember them, and call them out as liars when they claimed they voted "against" Hagel. They did not.
Alexander
Ayotte
Blunt
Burr
Chambliss
Coburn
Collins
Corker
Flake
Graham
Hatch
McCain
Murkowski
Sessions
Thune
Now that's the list of people who voted "Yes" on cloture (guaranteeing Hagel's confirmation) but then cast a covering, false vote on the nomination itself (a meaningless gesture made for political purposes).
Interestingly, some people voted the other way around -- voting "No" on cloture but then "Yes" on the nomination itself.
Among them? Rand Paul, who's attempting to both be a Mainstream Conservative and also play to his father's supporters with their, um... views on Israel."
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/337888.php
LOOK LONG AND HARD AT THAT LIST. These people are traitors to our country.
Republicans playing tiddly winks still while Democrats playing hard core chess. Democrats don't give a rap about 'who won' or we wouldn't have the term 'borking'.
Hagel should have been voted down because he isn't competent for starters. Don't get me stated on his antisemitism and playing footsie with Iran.
If you want anything to ever get better, you have to change back who elects Senators.
When states lost their representation, what had been the only entity with the real capability and the motivation to oppose runaway federal government was perverted into a second House, competing with the legitimate representatives of The People to bribe us with our own money for votes.
It isn't going to fix anything on it's own, but nothing you would like to see happen is ever going to succeed until there is again a force behind the checks and balances.
I never intended to support Rand Paul if he ran for president but I did strongly support him as Senator because of many of his stands and especially his direct questioning in committee hearings. From this day forward I have nothing good to say about him. Hagel is one of the poorest choices Obama could have come up with and Rand should have voted against him. There is no plausible excuse for not voting against Hagel...........none!
This is the final proof that the Repugnican party is only a wholly owned subsidiary of the DemocRATS.
A plaque on both houses.
Only armed rebellion will restore The Republic!
How many times must I bang my head into the wall before I suffer enough damage to become a zombie voter and quit caring?
I'm so tired of politics.
Alexander
Ayotte
Blunt
Burr
Chambliss
Coburn
Collins
Corker
Flake
Graham
Hatch
McCain
Murkowski
Sessions
Thune
Now that's the list of people who voted "Yes" on cloture (guaranteeing Hagel's confirmation) but then cast a covering, false vote on the nomination itself (a meaningless gesture made for political purposes.
Where is the uproar over these votes? Or, is it only about Rand Paul?
He was holding out for more info and didn't get it so voted for it anyway? Yeah, that makes sense. I am hearing VA Gov. and Ohio Gov. are both going wishy washy too. We could have had Gov. Palin or Newt Gingrich (preference to Palin) but our sexist society just wouldn't go for it.
That's like asking God for help and if not liking his answer doing what you want anyway then getting angry because God didn't answer your prayer. If people would start listening to Him instead of relying on their own arrogance, things would be much better or on the way to it. Let Jesus take the wheel.
It is more and more obvious that the only solution to restore our Constitutional Republic is to clean the slate. Vote all career politicians out of office. They all become tainted with the corruption, lack of morality and honor in a very short time.
Karl Rove, Frank Luntz, and Mike Murphy probably advised him to vote for Hagel's confirmation.
The real bad R's here are those that voted for cloture which in the present Senate guaranteed Hagel's confirmation. However, Rands reasoning for voting to confirm Hagel, same reason Rand used to vote to confirm Kerry, is flawed at best as it ignores the Senates Constitutional duty on advise and consent. The Senate is and never was meant to be a rubber stamp and the D's have and never will rubber stamp any R appointee; if fact the D's take advise and consent to the nth degree.
Oh damn I was beginning to really like this guy. Now, not so much. Lord, I pray for my country.
Give them everything they want, let the good people of the United States judge him in the end. Keep your powder dry. And close.
We cannot fight them all.
Please STOP giving money to this traitor. When does the true Tea Party members start forming a new party? Is Ted Cruz the only conservative senator or will he buckle too? The Monarchy rules. I too am ashamed of this country, THE WELFARE STATES OF OBAMA.
Any hopes for 2016 have gone down the drain for Runaway Paul. I am asking Tea Party members to pull your support for this coward. Is he, like his father, working for the other side?
All this was played out in the Theater of the Absurd and was going to happen no matter how the Republicans ranted about Hagel's qualifications or his position on Israel.
This whole situation is getting more ridiculous day after day because those who portray themselves as righteous and the standard bearer of truth are anything but righteous and wouldn't know truth if it bit them in the hindquarters.
I think we have short memories when it comes to the statement made by former Senator Trent Lott who said that those who were sweeped into office in 2010 by standing on principle would be co-opted once they got inside the beltway. Well they appear to be doing a good job of just that. Stupid and illogical statements made by those in power are now considered holy scripture and all we are supposed to do is say Amen!!!
We need to start thinking in terms of not only the Democratic Party as anathema to our freedoms, but the Republican Party as well. Until we get that under control then we will continue doing the things that can be classified as insanity and the nuts in Washington D.C. are running the asylum.
If he thinks "he won" - has he given his 2 week notice of resignation (I mean why continue to be there if it is over), or is he planning on sticking around and letting him "win" some more while he collects a check he doesn't earn?
Well, Rand... your Conservative "Flavor of the Month" cred just swirled down the crapper. Kudos to everyone here who counseled caution about him as well as others.
I won't support Rand Paul for President of the PTA because of this vote.
This is not the vote of a conservative. This is a libertarian vote.
As for the other three republican idiots who voted for this moron to be secretary of defense. as John Kerry. who served in Vietnam said, Americans have a right to be stupid and Kerry should know stupid.
We need a third conservative party to deal with all of this, not a libertarian party but a genuine conservative party.
John Craven
New Orleans
No Excuse Rand! Your starting to use Weasel words. You climbed on MITTEN'S bandwagon earlier than you had to instead of fighting for every last scrap until MITTEN'S was officially nominated at the convention, now this. Things are starting to add up against you Rand. I'm one of those people Rand, who believe you and your father Ron before you, have been tasked by the GOPe, to carry on a libertarian façade and to alway's be available to run or President,either in the repub party or as Independents, in order to cut into the votes of any real Conservative, to allow the latest GOPe milquetoast to win. Your father Ron,came to MITTEN'S rescue in the Debates every time someone started taking it to MITTEN'S. That was not a coincidence. Also, while your father constantly talked against Earmarks,it turned out his Texas District was the biggest recipient among republicans. I think the reason your Father retired, was because after the 2012 Primary, people were starting to catch on to his "Act" and Ron just simply passed the baton off to you or the GOPe. You run Third Party for President and we are just going to assume your and agent for the Establishment.
Do you think he's reading this? Or who are you talking to? Don't you want to call him and tell him this? Or are you content on backbiting? That is what you are doing. Not Christian at all...
Rand Paul abandon his conservative roots today and voted for Hagel most of the GOP establishment voted Nay on Hagel which is pretty good because I thought they had caved but the establishment didn't give in on this one ...
Done with the GOP also. Someone convince Mark Levin. No more repub party. It is beyond hope!
This was an irresponsible and horrible thing to do to our soldiers and America. I'm stunned he would do something like this.
Betrayal: Names of Republican Traitors on Hagel Vote
Libertarians are Liberals in many things. We need people like Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz....good, solid Conservatives
What a lame excuse. How about voting for the best interest of our country Rand Paul.
We now have two traitors serving in the cabinet. Why not just appoint Hanoi Jane as the White House Press Secretary.
What a lame excuse. How about voting for the best interest of our country Rand Paul.
We now have two traitors serving in the cabinet. Why not just appoint Hanoi Jane as the White House Press Secretary.
And this man wants to be president? NEVER! Cowardly and spineless jellyfish!
Rand Paul has proved today that right along with the democrats, republicans have sold their HONOR as well, for political expedency.
And this man wants to be president? NEVER! Cowardly and spineless jellyfish!
Rand Paul has proved today that right along with the democrats, republicans have sold their HONOR as well, for political expedency.
VG- How'd it go yesterday?
I saw a few of your comments from CP. Are you still having troubles logging in? Last night I was having difficulities with Disqus in general. I would be typing a comment and then a white box would cover part of the comment box. ( Here on RScoop) I restarted the computer, logged in/out…but it still happened. Strangely enough, it would allow be to continue writing the comment- in a disjointed fashion, and then Disqus would format it.
Hope all is well.
This is very disappointing. Reagan won and what did they do to a good man's reputation during the Bork nomination, and he did not get seated.
I SAY BULLDUNG!
I wanted to say something else but that lil moderator Gal would mooderate me. :) Too bad Charlie Manson ain't a political appointee (roll eyes) or Jim Jones, or Attila The Hun or Joe Stalin or Mao or Lucifer.
Well what I thought was the last conservative standing has now fallen.
What was this so called information that he voted no to receive? Since they held up the nomination I have not heard of one single shred of information that Hagel has released?
So basically it was just grand standing by these spineless politicians who have a façade of ethics. Is there a single politician that has any scrotum or code of ethics. They are all one big grey mass of liars. There is no such thing as a Democrat or Republican anymore just a massive group of the "keep the gravy train running" party.
WOW I AM EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED. AND YES I AM YELLING. what is he thinking. hagel is another islamist sympathizer..anti semetic. i received a call for donations for the rep party. i am almost as frustrated with them as i am obama. somebody must be paying them off.. 50 % of the american people are frustrated. now lets see what happens with the sequestration,,, they'll probably cave on that too... obama wanted it in 2011 so let him have it.
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