This is an open thread so I’d like to take care of a little business first.

I have had several complaints this week that some of you were getting “stack overflow” error messages. This happened if you were using Internet Explorer and I was able to verify the error myself. The error occurred as the result of upgrading to the latest version of WordPress.

Last night I downgraded back to the previous version so that should eliminate the error message from happening. So going forward you shouldn’t be getting the “stack overflow” error message any longer.

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Also, as far as news on the shooting, I haven’t heard much in the way of new information. The cops believe they have a fair amount of evidence that may point to the ‘how’ and ‘why’ of the shooting but that hasn’t been released yet. The did confirm that the shooter forced his way into the school and was not buzzed in by someone. But they wouldn’t say how he forced his way in.

Below is a story from the Daily Mail on a teacher who put herself between the shooter and her students. It also details how the principal and school psychologist were killed.

DAILY MAIL – A young teacher displayed astonishing bravery and sacrificed her life saving as many children in her first grade class as she could after she came face-to-face with gunman Adam Lanza.

Victoria Soto, 27, had worked at Sandy Hook Elementary for five years. Her final moments were spent ushering her students into a closet when Lanza entered her classroom and she tried her best to shield the children from the evil gunman.

Soto was a highly regarded young teacher who was popular with her pupils. One young student, Jacob Riley, told Mailonline that Soto was known for chewing gum in class – something not usually allowed for teachers. He said he had often teased her about her habit and she had playfully teased him back.

‘She took her kids, put them in the closet and by doing so she lost her life protecting those little ones,’ Soto’s cousin, Jim Wiltsie, told ABC News.

‘She was found huddled over her children, her students, doing instinctively what she knew was the right thing. I’m just proud that Vicki had the instincts to protect her kids from harm,’ he continued.

‘It brings peace to know that Vicki was doing what she loved, protecting the children and in our eyes she’s a hero,’ he added.

A deeply distraught 10-year-old boy who is a former student of Miss Soto described her as ‘really nice and funny.’

When Lanza started firing at the school in suburban Newtown, Connecticut, some teachers dove under tables – but Mrs Hochsprung and Mrs Sherlach didn’t hesitate.

They ran into the hallway to confront the danger and were murdered execution-style as a result.

Little did she know that Adam had already killed his mother at the home they shared nearby. He took three of her guns and used her car to drive to the school.

Diane Day, a school therapist, told the Wall Street Journal that she and several other teachers were in a meeting with Mrs Hochsprung and Mrs Sherlach when the shooting began.

‘We were there for about five minutes chatting and we heard, “pop pop pop,”‘ she said. ‘I went under the table.’

The principal and the school psychologist had other ideas. They jumped out of their seats and ran toward the sound of the gunfire.

‘They didn’t think twice about confronting or seeing what was going on,’ Ms Day said.

Rabbi Shaul Praver told MSNBC that Mrs Hochsprung and Mrs Sherlach were killed execution-style.




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MiketheMarine
MiketheMarine

Another True Guardian Angel who's already earned her wings.

kong1967
kong1967

This is just too sad to even talk about.

white531
white531

I'm taking a chance with the benevolence of the Moderators, but this is a double post. Reason I am doing it, is because both these threads are getting old, and I want you all to read this. Posted already on the Detective thread.

You won't believe this.

Obama administration let school security funds lapse…

(Washington Guardian) – Beneath the expressions of grief, sorrow and disbelief over the Connecticut school massacre lies an uneasy truth in Washington: over the last few years the Obama administration and Congress quietly let federal funding for several key school security programs lapse in the name of budget savings.

The town of Newtown, Conn., in fact, took advantage of one of these programs in 2000 when it got $125,000 in funds from the COPS in Schools program, Justice Department records show.

Rest of the story is here:

http://www.teaparty.org/obama-...

It is heartbreaking and mind-numbingly stupid.

librtifirst
librtifirst

This is what happens when the feds are allowed to steal our money and then give it back when they feel like it, and for what they decide. This is also a reality of having a central bank, and a central government. The money they spend doesn't come from taxes, and schools should be under state and local funding and jurisdiction.

People need to start pulling their children from the schools and protest the DOE and Federal Reserve system.

Moose_Hunter
Moose_Hunter

Teachers and school staff are trained to deal with all kinds of emergencies save one. They conduct fire drills, flood, earthquake, hurricane and tornado drills, and, over the years, these drills have saved the lives of many children (and adults). But NOOO FREAKING WAY are teachers and school staff allowed to train, equip, and prepare themselves to deal with human violence. If Victoria had been so prepared, this could well have had a different ending. The spineless, bleeding heart, goody goody liberals and their elected cretins have all this blood on their hands. I hope their sleep is filled with nightmares.

Susan Mitchell
Susan Mitchell

So we can not arm our teachers so let get a dog at school I have one that this devil's throat would of been a sack for her. One fire from his gun would of been action for her to rip his throat out. A well train dog would do the trick.

Rshill7
Rshill7

Sure it would. A Devil Dog or two would work too.

John
John

Leftists say: "Kill your parents"..... Modern education in USA.

Surprised?

Here is what your children are listening to:

Eftos Kill Your Parents - Lyrics

Active Nihilism - Kill your parents

Make them pay - Hate and destroy

Silencing the void - Pleasure revenge

Wipe them out, Bastards get what they deserve!

Nihilist supreme - Erasing

It is no killing - Useless corpse

Out of the Nothing - No feedback from anyone

Conservative_Hippie
Conservative_Hippie

These teachers and administrators who confronted the gunman and who did what they could to protect the chidlren are heroes in my book also!

TENCOLE
TENCOLE

Too bad the Principal didn't have a concealed carry weapon. *sigh*

Conservative_Hippie
Conservative_Hippie

If they had an armed security guard that would have at least been a start! This is whole schools are gun free zones should not apply to staff!

Biggbear52
Biggbear52

This little lady is a hero and now with father above. I pray for her family and thank her for doing the Christian thing.

Pyrran
Pyrran

Running to the sound of the guns.

My idea of what heroes do.

tinker_thinker
tinker_thinker

Thank you for your service, Don! And Bless you!

My husband said something similar...he's a VN Vet. He said one can prepare(mentally) for warfare but not this kind of killing. We've both been saddened beyond words, thank you for your comment!

Freedomswatch
Freedomswatch

God bless this sweet angel. May her family find comfort. This hero is in Gods arms tonight and many children are safe with their parents because of her sacrifice. Bless you Victoria Soto.

vonveezil
vonveezil

Americans, always running towards the danger, not away from it. These 6 teachers were heroes. They lost their lives trying to protect the children. God house has many rooms and I'm pretty sure class is still in session , just its up in heaven now.

Aine
Aine

Everything you hope your children's teachers would be, and more.

RIP.

jleinf
jleinf

God bless this brave American that stepped up and did what most Americans would do in this situation. A true hero/leader unlike the "tearful" zero in charge.

DCGere
DCGere

Prayers for the brave souls that tried to help the children. Just heart wrenching...

Army_Pilot1967
Army_Pilot1967

God bless Ms. Soto for her actions and bravery. It seems that good people often die young and not of their own doing. If the shooter was so miserable that he didn't want to live, he should have just killed himself and left everyone else alone. Surely there's a special place in hell for him.

Rest in peace, Ms. Soto.

dmacleo
dmacleo

remember police are NOT required to save your life.

far too many people push the wait for others meme.

this woman was going to die no matter what, she chose to die protecting others.

she deserves to be praised.

its about time citizens themselves started protecting their kids.

if a school does not like a parent doing what is needed to protect their kids...to bad.

crosshr
crosshr

I admire her courage and act of bravery, the manner of her action I may politicize it this way, so fearless and selfless she was in these moments of this tragic event, If someone with a gun were close by and toss that gun to her, I don't doubt she'll end the shooter even if she'll still got shot at right there

The things many women can do some men like our politicians still waste numerous hours with no decision and minds never mane up.

Lord bless her dearest soul, bless all women, bless their unquestionable decisive ability and help us all to learn from this brave Ms. Soto

badbadlibs
badbadlibs

Well said. It's also lovely to hear a man extol the virtues of women. Jesus was like that too!

crosshr
crosshr

sincerely yours sis.

Orangeone
Orangeone

Pepper spray and mace would have helped and it's easy to shoot!

crosshr
crosshr

true O, still a bullet travels with high velocity and accuracy in most times, unavoidable.

pepper spray and anything far better than nothing I think

Orangeone
Orangeone

I had coffee with a conservative attorney friend.  She had great advice.  If the perp is leaving yell out to them and shoot when they turn around :)  And now you'd added the great ending, yank their butt back inside if they fall out....

Nukeman60
Nukeman60

I have a philosophy, if you have to shoot an intruder - shoot and then grab them by the collar (so they fall inward). If they fall outside your home, they'll be after you bigtime. I'm thinking the mace isn't a bad idea for anybody, with the court costs and lawsuits with actual live-fire.

Orangeone
Orangeone

Here too Nuke.  My NRA instructor went into MN's laws thoroughly.  This liberal land has lawyers trolling for lawsuits.  We are only permitted to use inside of our home or workplace (only if we own the company).  We will be arrested if we defend a neighbor in their home or on their property.

I always carry my pepper spray / mace !

Nukeman60
Nukeman60

Less chance of lawsuits as well. That's one major problem for conceal-carry that we have to deal with if we need to actually use our weapon.

Orangeone
Orangeone

Yes bullets travel fast but a gun in the wrong hand is friendly fire waiting to happen.  My NRA instructor said pepper spray / mace is a better alternative in a lot of situations and my private instructor concurs.  I carry it with me always.

dmacleo
dmacleo

no its not. ever train against it?

it does nothing to many people including me.

and how is letting an armed and firing person getting within range of the spray going to help you?

heres a clue.

it won't.

dmacleo
dmacleo

yup, the nerve toxin messes people up

dmacleo
dmacleo

try not to be an idiot if possible.

Conniption Fitz
Conniption Fitz

Wasp spray has a longer range, 10-30 feet. It will debilitate and blind an attacker if you hit them in the face.

Orangeone
Orangeone

Welcome super hero! Perhaps it's time for another deployment.

syvyn11
syvyn11

May Ms. Soto find herself with the loving gaze of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ for the rest of days.

This is my Person of the Year.

badbadlibs
badbadlibs

I could barely read this article. What a selfless, brave, dedicated woman.

My DIL teaches fourth grade this year after having taught k-2 for several years, this year she stands in for the principle.

I don't want her to ever be a hero. I'm sorry if that sounds awful. But, I want her to always come home to her husband and son and the rest of us who adore her.

bjohnson55
bjohnson55

How I wish Vicki had a Glock strapped on so she could have stopped this evil in its tracks. I pray may God receive this brave gentle soul into his arms and may her family, friends and surviving students find comfort in you Lord.

stang289
stang289

Just think if the psychologist and principal would have had a weapon how many would be saved ? RIP :(

Orangeone
Orangeone

They would still be dead and the gunman would have had more loaded weapons. They are not trained to take down armed individuals. That's a job for law enforcement and the military.

librtifirst
librtifirst

If you could ask them at the moment the shooting was taking place whether they would want a gun or not, what would their reply be?

Rshill7
Rshill7

Yes please, and I wish I could have shot the spawn of Abaddon before he moved another muscle.

DCGere
DCGere

Right, because when seconds count, the police are minutes away. There's a reason I've had professional training on how to use my weapons and practice as much as possible at the gun range. How's that law enforcement working for the citizens of San Bernardino?

http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/02/bankrupt-california-city-attorney-warns-of-public-safety-cuts-lock-your-doors-and-load-your-guns/

Orangeone
Orangeone

Sorry, became a bit frustrated with people not reading the conversation and leaping to conclusions.

DCGere
DCGere

Thank you for clarifying. Excuse me for not reading all your comments and responding to the one as you stated. I'll know better next time...

Orangeone
Orangeone

What is it with people on this thread today.  have you learned to read or are you a practicing liberal?  I will say this for the final time.  Armed retired law enforcement and armed retired vets at every school.  Does that spell it out for ya????

dmacleo
dmacleo

and having gone through the military training (MOUT) I can tell you the military is not trained to do this stuff, and they should not be.

urban assault is NOT a life saving action for others its to save the life of soldier and take out combatants.

the military is NOT your police force.

dmacleo
dmacleo

wow.

an idiot jumped a shark here.

meanwhile sit back and hope others will protect you, me and mine will be safe.

Orangeone
Orangeone

Are you one of Barky Boy's new brown shirts????

stang289
stang289

How did that work out for the victims of this crime ? Thats the dumbest statement Iv ever heard . Must be the cat typing ?

stang289
stang289

If you watch the other video youll see it didnt because the victims are the only ones who couldnt carry a gun in a Gun Free Zone . by the time the police respond its all over . but I will let it rest . Sad so sad :(

Orangeone
Orangeone

Gun Free Zone. How did that work about for the victims?

dmacleo
dmacleo

victim promoting bullshit

Orangeone
Orangeone

When did I ever say wait for others?  Why don't you read the posts.  Keep up the insults and I'll flag you for moderator review.

dmacleo
dmacleo

deal with it.

you push the wait for others and become a victim crap I will call it exactly what it is.

Orangeone
Orangeone

We have a code of conduct on this site.  You might check it out before continuing to post profanity.